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If someone is seen with ahk/unreal/no recoil they should get a 2nd chance only if they pay donation 20 Euro. (more or less).

O_o

I find that to be wrong in an infinite amount of ways.

Up next we should put a poll seeing what percent of people think an iq test should be mandatory to post here lol

meaning its ok to cheat, but IF you get caught you have to cough up a measly 30$ ( in my currency, roughly )? lol

thats chump change

meaning its ok to cheat, but IF you get caught you have to cough up a measly 30$ ( in my currency, roughly )? lol

thats chump change

Current situation is: its ok to cheat, but IF you get caught you have to wait a week and then you are unbanned.

Up next we should put a poll seeing what percent of people think an iq test should be mandatory to post here lol

LOL Dave is being funny today, he made a joke, LOL.
Go fuk yr mirror

Or maybe you should learn how to properly present a poll, properly ask a question, and have all information easily available in your 1st post so that people can make a proper selection? That is if you expect the poll to accurately represent the desired outcome you better ask the question properly - instead of assuming everyone's going to troll through 6 pages, before going back to make their vote lmao. I see you put a lot of thought into this.


That would make too much sense tho.

How do you expect this poll to accurately represent anything when you have so much grey area - oh wait, you edited ur 1st post to say read all 6 pages LOL

You're good at sarcasm, but not good enough... 

There is no point to bring in to the poll all related to the 'Second Chance' options, simply because we didn't even know if second chance will be given. If true, we can discuss the details of condition, but for now, it's just pointless...

After going through the whole 7 pages of supposedly consistent debate on par with the OP, I can only conclude that it seems a more akin tendency to see threads turning into various sets of user-vs-user nonsense. In fact, it seems as though most of the threads on the forum get hijacked through abundance of ego and not-so-much of any kind of contingency whatsoever.

Maybe we ought to be more pragmatical?



On-Topic:
The current debate is, if considerate solely of the actions that should be taken towards hackers/users who've used hacks, at such a low level of relevance that it bears no real practicability and/or rentability to mingle about. Just in the same fashion that you do not tackle the issue of real-life murder without taking into concern the variants that affect it.

People hack. Always have. Always will.

The focus should not be in revamping the ethics which will in turn affect the set of rules by which the community inflicts upon said hackers. If anything, the debate should have in attendance the possible manoeuvres to prevent hacking from being so noticeable.

Possibilities:
Maybe server-owners should be open-minded to the idea of giving Admin rights to a few members that they know are legit, active and trustful and that may or may not be members of their clan --we did this when DrAAT was still around. In fact, the official AA 2.5 Community Servers were mine and although some of my clan members had Administrative Powers in them, the majority of the Admins were respected members of the community and people I knew I could trust. This is one of the ways we got around to fixing the server-issue.

Another solution could be --as I recall seeing it back in 2.3 and subsequently in early-2.5-- creating a dedicated server meant for hackers only. Name it Hacker's Paradise, what have you. This made it so that hackers would knowingly use hacks and play against each other without having to hide it, to slide it or to tide it. On their server. It kept them there.

Further enhanced versions of the above suggestions and/or new suggestions are more than welcome. So long as they are executable at core and aim towards the resolution of a hack-free community.


Point of View:
In my eyes, while it is a menace to realise that hackers are a common breed in online-gaming, it also seems to me as though it may be one of the best direct-promotion towards the unification of a community that --if lead with a honest, humble and fair mindset-- can tackle the issue without leaving space for emotional judgement to rule over.



P.S:. I voted Hacker Tag. It was the only option that resolved around the inter-exchange of knowledge within the community as opposed to the simple individual action-plans that follow (as should they) the rigid fundaments through which all must be made fit to.



/Dan

Possibilities:
Maybe server-owners should be open-minded to the idea of giving Admin rights to a few members that they know are legit, active and trustful and that may or may not be members of their clan --we did this when DrAAT was still around. In fact, the official AA 2.5 Community Servers were mine and although some of my clan members had Administrative Powers in them, the majority of the Admins were respected members of the community and people I knew I could trust. This is one of the ways we got around to fixing the server-issue.

With such a little amount of players online, there's only a few populated servers online. Server admins will change into powerful nazis abusing their powers in the most ways possible, experienced it yesterday again.

If you don't believe me, look at the numbers. At the moment 16 players online, 105 servers. Why would this game require 105 servers with so few players? Because all people want to have their server, so they can make rules and kick whoever they want.

An ideal situation would be 30 servers, server admins from different clans, or no clan at all, so there will be no abuse from one certain type of people.


I personally doubt hacker paradise would be of any good to the game, since it will encourage hackers to make better and better hacks to beat other hackers, and at a certain point they will just come over to normal servers, because they got owned by other hackers. Let me remind you that the objectives of most hackers is to feel 'better' than others. So I think the hacker's paradise will only attract the best hackers (probably those who make their own hacks)  and that the kids that buy the hacks will get raped and go normal server.