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I'm talking about the majority of workers, the ones chasing the American dream. That's exactly what Grapes is talking about too. Those people that beat themselves every day and live for the weekend. It's such a rat race. Great reason why I don't go into town on the weekend, all the rushing people. Take a look outside at a highway on Memorial Day weekend. All those people, rushing to try and go camping, try and grab a pinch of nature because they never see any in their drone lifestyles. It's funny really.

I find myself siding with Grapes more actually. I'm not a nut or a conspiracy theorist. I look at the facts. There are so many things that are better than the American dream. I believe self-teaching and experience can make you more educated than college can, at a cheaper price too. A lot of specific jobs require more than college as well such as trade schools or certification. Just skip college and get those things. You'll gain 4 years of your life and you won't be in debt!

It seems that you think your way of life is better than others. Why do you care if others choose to go to school and collect debt? That's how they want to live. Not to mention having a 9-5 job leaves plenty of time to do thing, even on the weekdays. It's extremely ignorant to call these people drones. You don't know what they do, you're assuming they go to work, then sleep, which isn't true in most cases. You're judging them as lesser individuals than, is your life really any more meaningful?

lol Killaman, your presidential vote doesn't matter. Direct action matters. I'm actually not going to vote in this next election. You won't improve the world by saying "guy x should be president", you change the world by changing your life and then improving your local world (environment, habitat, dwelling, community, whatever you want to call it). Then inspire others to change and improve for the better.

That's not what I was talking about. Grapes said my vote doesn't count towards electing the president when it clearly does. Whether it means anything significant is a completely different topic.

Yeah, they don't have to vote for the popular vote winner, BUT IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN THE LIFETIME OF THE UNITED STATES. What do you not get about that? If they voted for someone else, there would be public outrage and a demand for change, something they don't want to do.

there already is public outrage, occupy? oh wait the rich use their gustapo called the police to get rid the ones who are outraged and wont stand for capitalistic ideaology. just like vietnam, its all politics, no its called opium trade.

It seems that you think your way of life is better than others. Why do you care if others choose to go to school and collect debt? That's how they want to live. Not to mention having a 9-5 job leaves plenty of time to do thing, even on the weekdays. It's extremely ignorant to call these people drones. You don't know what they do, you're assuming they go to work, then sleep, which isn't true in most cases. You're judging them as lesser individuals than, is your life really any more meaningful?

I do think my way of life is better than others. It's not the best but it's certainly not the worst. I care that others collect debt because it's become an American standard. We spend money we don't have. Isn't that scary to you? Doesn't the nation's debt bother you? I don't care about what other people do unless it affects other people. Insensitive things like smoking, pollution, resource wasting and debt affect more than just the person that decides to do it. It's selfish because they're only thinking about their self. Again, I'm not perfect, I'm not high and mighty. I pollute, waste and have a credit card. But I try to limit that as much as possible and I KNOW that other people can limit theirs as well. That's the first step to becoming a better nation as a whole.

I don't think it's ignorant to call those people drones. It's exactly what they are. I've seen it in person. Wake up early to drive an hour to work, work all day, drive an hour back home, grab dinner and go straight to bed. Get up and do it again! Then when the weekend comes, you're exhausted so you sleep in and boom! 1/4 of your weekend is gone so you have Saturday afternoon before anything gets done, money is tight because of loans and debt. It's a malicious cycle that doesn't really sustain anything, it doesn't allow you to accomplish anything in life.

Occupy was silly, just a bunch of people doing nothing.

I don't think it's ignorant to call those people drones. It's exactly what they are. I've seen it in person. Wake up early to drive an hour to work, work all day, drive an hour back home, grab dinner and go straight to bed. Get up and do it again! Then when the weekend comes, you're exhausted so you sleep in and boom! 1/4 of your weekend is gone so you have Saturday afternoon before anything gets done, money is tight because of loans and debt. It's a malicious cycle that doesn't really sustain anything, it doesn't allow you to accomplish anything in life.

Come one Spanky, more generalizations. A typical work day is 8 hours. There is time to do stuff, even on the weekdays. It's stupid to claim people go to work, eat, and then go to sleep, that's not true at all. I don't know anybody that does that. 

Also, debt isn't a bad thing, it's actually a great thing. It's only when debt gets out of hand that it becomes problematic. If you're using the money you borrow wisely and make it worth it, you will have no problems. Borrowing money to go to college is a great idea, as long as you're learning something useful. Borrowing money to get a philosophy degree is bad. Borrowing money to get an engineering degree is good. It all comes down to how you use the money.

Come one Spanky, more generalizations. A typical work day is 8 hours. There is time to do stuff, even on the weekdays. It's stupid to claim people go to work, eat, and then go to sleep, that's not true at all. I don't know anybody that does that. 

Also, debt isn't a bad thing, it's actually a great thing. It's only when debt gets out of hand that it becomes problematic. If you're using the money you borrow wisely and make it worth it, you will have no problems. Borrowing money to go to college is a great idea, as long as you're learning something useful. Borrowing money to get a philosophy degree is bad. Borrowing money to get an engineering degree is good. It all comes down to how you use the money.

some people understand engineering good like you, some people understand philosiphy good. none of them is more important than the other. money is just this idea that has also been spoon fed to us remeber its just a piece of paper. people used to trade goods in order to survive, thats what it needs to go back to. trade for what you need, not trade a usless object for what you need. trading a useful object for another useful object is much more satisfying,

some people understand engineering good like you, some people understand philosiphy good. none of them is more important than the other. money is just this idea that has also been spoon fed to us remeber its just a piece of paper. people used to trade goods in order to survive, thats what it needs to go back to. trade for what you need, not trade a usless object for what you need. trading a useful object for another useful object is much more satisfying,

You just contradicted your own post though. You can't go to a barter economy (trade goods for goods) because then people would actually need to know how to do useful things in order to survive. Philosophy is not one of those useful things. Nobody is going to trade you food for a boring lecture on how the mind in the only thing we can surely know exists. It won't happen. You need something useful, like carpentry skills or engineering skills to be able to trade for food.

Typical work day = 8 hours. 8 hours + 2 hours driving time = 10 hours. Let's say an hour for pre-work prep time and post-work unwinding time. 11 hours. Toss in an hour for dinner. 12 hours. 9 hours of sleep so there's 3 hours left. 3 hours of wiggle room a day. Not much time if you have overtime or you work slightly longer than a typical work day. Plus, you just worked all day, you're tired and in the winter months, you likely get home when it's dark. It's a lifestyle that leaves so much to be desired really.

That also depends on your job though. People do have typical 9-5 jobs that they enjoy doing.

Also, saying that a vote doesn't count towards the election of the president is crazy, because all evidence says it does.

My evidence says it doesn't. I voted Obama and the majority in my redneck state voted McCain. My vote did absolutely nothing.