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Hardware/Software / Re: What Makes an Excellent Sound Card?
« on: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 21:55:33 PM »
Yeah, they do look good. So you can finally agree with me, that you can still buy good and lot better quality sound systems nowadays... Even if they are considered expensive. Well in the 80's almost no one could afford any good sound system at all where I live. And nowadays you have lot's of cheap sound systems which are already pretty good.

Also check out the link of the video I posed in my last comment, that's an example that amplifying is not even the most important thing nowadays... Processing effects and digitalization are getting way more important. Even newer synthesizers can sound better than some real instruments while playing on a good sound system.

ps: That's what creative is also good in, they are bad in the amplification compared to professional audio, but they do were innovative on the sound effects (even though nowadays they aren't much important since in wind7 everyone uses openAL :o)...
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Hardware/Software / Re: What Makes an Excellent Sound Card?
« on: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 21:38:28 PM »
Yeah, nowadays I see lot's of ppl from here buying huge sone of a biatch studio sound mixers and professional speakers, just to make private parties with friends... back in the 80's you would see ppl all together singing and playing guitar or listening to crapy quality radios...

About computers well, My school had them in 95 4 sure, internet came way later, but almost none had had a computer in their homes...

And good quality speakers are for example:


And I have seen on the discovery ppl using titanium speaker coils to simulate an earthquake, that thing was freakin powerfull, it's the hardest material you can get for the huge kicks in your heart...


I also like this type of speakers:

(Those are not expensive, and are pretty good for little shows and karaoke parties. This is an example of something not from the 80's... yeah it look like a crap quality plastic speakers, but as soon as you turn them on u think WTF, I never though they sounded so good for how little, light and cheap plastic look... this is an example of modern design improvements on something that isn't even wood, because lot's of newer speakers are still made from expensive WOOD).

That's the kind of professional speakers my brother uses (not from JBL) to play synthesizer from yamaha which has very nice sound effects, the electric guitar, really sounds almost like the real one, it makes all the treble and shake of the guitar, because there was a guy with an electric guitar from fender that used to come here, and actually the yamaha synthesizer had better guitar sound on some musics  ;D

It sounded even better than this video

(And it's not that yamaha keyboard, it's one with a blue touch lcd).
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Hardware/Software / Re: What Makes an Excellent Sound Card?
« on: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 21:07:48 PM »
Mass production vs manual labor is the important thing here. Let me repeat again, components are improving but only if you pay for it.
Well maybe for you in the US...

In the 90's almost no one had computer here... almost no one had amplifiers like the one my father had which cost a damn lot (he didn't told me the price, but he said he worked a lot for having it)...

In the 60's cars were rare here... on the 90's no one on my zone had internet, my father was the first to have it in like 95 or so...

So you come telling me that nowadays you can in fact have higher quality things if you pay a lot for them? Well in the past you could actually have.... NONE, the best chance is you could buy a cheap portable crappy old radio here...

And no one uses valves anymore, and thank god they don't, that just make up a lot of noise in the electrical system... hardware components have improved, that's a fact. Nowadays we use more digital than analog, and well the computer only in fact got to the point of what they are today because they became digital and not analog wich were all controlled manually valve by valve, tons of them eating tons of electricity, and burning in a few time that would need replace...

My bro's sound box has a valve amplifier, but I think is just to look vintage, I don't think it's amplifying anything (afteral that's one example of what are good old components used for... just to show and look vintage bad ass, they have no other usage for nowadays).
What are you the encyclopedia on sound? :P Well written post. I have a lot of reasons to not have FLAC on my desktop, mainly having to download all of my music over again, but 10x larger. It would be a nightmare. :P Also, I don't have the sound equipment to enjoy FLAC any more than 320kbps mp3.
Well I had 1 TB of sound. Imagine if it was in FLAC... I even converted every 320 .mp3 to .WMA 128, but in fact I made them even sound better in 128 than the original .mp3 320, because I tweaked the enconders, and specially used 48kz against the 44 original. (and you can even tweak a 64kbs .wma to sound pretty good, but the .mp3 at 64 is pretty crappy no matter what encoder you use or even with tweaks).
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Hardware/Software / Re: What Makes an Excellent Sound Card?
« on: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 20:43:20 PM »
headset + eq = cheeter
Studio + equalizer cheater then...
Best sound creater use equalizer so they are noobs too... all professionals use equalizer so they are noobs too...

I always use the equalizer. I just don't use it with the headphones (because i just don't care, nowadays I never really enjoy music trough the headphones, it must be the all house shaking or nothing), but there are still tons of musics that need equalization to sound crystal clear. Well maybe If I had one of the newer creative soundcards, I wouldn't need to equalize antything...

On the laptop 4 example I increase all the low frequencies and decrease the higher ones, because the speakers are so damn crappy and are very high frequency, but if I wanna make it loud to someone far can listen I can increase the higher frequencies and decrease the low to low-mid ones...

And when I connect the speakers, I always equalize it a lot, and depending on the music I can be equalizing all day long :(
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About older being better than newer is just a lie... People say the same thing about everything, about cars, about bikes, motorbikes, airguns... abouit really almost anything, even about computers...

Well I remember my father's pentium 1 looked BAD cost a lot, quality = 0, git screwed in like 3 years... I remember the old P3 800mhz, which was a top of the line PC back then which cost around 500 contos (~2500€ ~3275 US$), it got screwed 2 years later... And the build quality YACK, just looked like a nude hadrware and a normal crappy bad looking case.

Then I bought my first PC just 4 me, the P4 3.6ghz, back in this time (like 2004 or so), computers had lot better quality already, the computer lasted until like 2008, but I broke lot's of hardware too, then I had my bro's AMD from 2006... And now in 2011 I bought the I7 2600k, GTX570, high efficiency psu from corsair 80+gold certified, and Asus saberthooth, and some crazy ass rams, all for like 1600€. The built quality has improved so damn much over years, damn I could only dream on having this built quality when my father paid 2500€ for the pentium 3 that was one top of the line computer that almost none had, but it just looked like any pentium I old pc that lot's of ppl had in their homes...

Nowadays 4 example in pc's, they use lot more aliminium and copper, lot more components, and every of them are improved ones. My motherboard 4 example is the first to be all covered with a shield, it's military certified, comes with a document signed by ASUS with the tests they make, they even test the condensers on salt+water, and they ensure they are the best anti-rust materials, and I really enjoy that gold document signed by them about the quality...

In the amplifiers and speaker sound improvements is just the same. There are all kinds of inventors, they made new kind of scheme designs other than the empty wood boxes from the 80's, the schemes of the hardware are tons more complex. And for last, if u get any schematics paper of an old good amplifier and you recreate it with modern equivalent materials, actually you get to a point that you will realize it will be more efficient, consume less, heat less, have a cleaner amplification and probably even more power without burning it...
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Hardware/Software / Re: What Makes an Excellent Sound Card?
« on: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 19:38:11 PM »
As always, Blue comes in with a great technical explanation :)

*EDIT* Guily, you have GOT to be trolling. I mean... you can't seriously believe the words you're saying...
Yeah I do... Just like in cars, here lot's of ppl say cars nowadays suck full of electronics, the old cars were the ones... Yeah they were... a 300hp car that almost doesn't go at 200km\h and suck 30 liters of gas for that... (And I'm also an old car enthusiastic, specially US Muscle cars). But cars nowadays thanks to new technologies, have lot more power. Hell even a 60hp car nowadays have enough power for everything, while a very old car that had 60hp, would not even be able to get in my garage which have a big inclination...

In music is just the same, and barely in everything...
expensive speakers with a huge range. Nobody I know, or anybody on this forum is at that level. Nobody has that kind of system. And if you did, you would be listening to vinyls.
I had studio quality system for more than a year here in my house off (only tested one time).

Something like this:

It had 10 or more outputs for professional type speakers (500w each), I have no idea which was the manufacter, all i know is that shit cost the price of maybe 50xZ5500 digital. But I  remember well that the speakers were two JBL huge 1000w rms professional speakers, and hell they had a pretty good quality, but I still prefer the PC sound (is more my type. Sattelites+subwoofer).

But my dream is having not all range speakers like studio kind, but having lots and lot's of speakers, each playing only a certain frequency. Let's say a huge woofer for the kicks, a huge subwoofer for the rumble, a huge speaker for the mid low, a huge for the mids, a medium for the mid-high, and little for the highs. That was my dream, all lower ones made of titanium, and the higher frequency one to be a horn type, oh and a rotary subwoofer type for the very deepest rumble possible (damn it can be made nowadays, it's just a matter of having a lot of $$$$$$), but I don't think you could ever had anything like this in the old times, that was not possible.

ps: and I can't find the subwoofer that cost like 10K $ or more, since you guys say we have no built quality nowadays... this sub has lot of thecnologies in it to increase bass, even in the case design...
guily, now a days everything is mass produced, the quality is lowered in order to pump out components quicker (cheap labour, cheap parts, cheap materials) which in turn = profit. you could get a system now a days that beats older stuff but u wont find it on the shelf at ur local store, it'd be custom jobs that u pay a lot for.
easiest example is cars, compare your mass produced car to say Ferrari which only makes a small number of cars, they can afford to focus on every little detail, it costs a lot more then mass produced cars but the small numbers and attention to detail means every part is the best.

I agree with what blue said about the best stuff wont be up on billboards or tv ads.
Well the quality of cars nowadays are lot higher than older ones...

There are some good mass produced materials, which come better by robots than made by humans...

Also mass produced can be made for making cheap things, but can also be used to make expensive things...

And the expensive high quality things compared to the expensive old high quality things, you can't even compare...


Boards are better, solder are better and take lot more heat, condensers improved a billion times, every component has improved over the years... transistors, resistances............

ps: Nowadays there are simple lots and lot's of cheap things that we never had before, creative is one of those, but their best speaker system has a good quality and have like 600w RMS and cost here around 500€ which is already expensive. But ofcourse their 50€ 2.1 systems, have all pretty bad components... (50€ = 10 contos of my old currency, and with 10 contos all you could buy "HERE" was probably just the cables in the 80's)...

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OH other things, 4 example in the cars, ppl always think old cars were lot safer since they were all hard metal... actually that's wrong. There's in the youtube a car crash against a huge and heavy old car (I think a chevy) against a crappy cheap car of nowadays, and the old car kinda broke into pices and would have killed everyone inside, while the new car, dind't take that much danger and everyone would probably survive.

ps: that was just a myth (unless compared against a chine model car, cause their crash tests are pretty.... BAD)...
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Hardware/Software / Re: What Makes an Excellent Sound Card?
« on: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 19:17:32 PM »
Well there's so many ways to encode music as .mp3... I actually used one that I actually preffered the only 128kbs .mp3 file than listening trough the actual CD... I was mixing with the special settings of the converter... If you instead of using 44khz use 48khz most of the musics will sound much better. Actually I can even make it 64kbs (only wma, because on the mp3, no matter what I did in this low rate it really were bad) sounding almost like the 128...

And well no one though it was possible to get things out from your hdd after you format it a million times... And nowadays everyone know it's possible. Lot's of things that look impossible sometimes are craked by someone. I do know creative actually has a very high knowledge in music business, but I know they are far away from the highs quality, but they know a lot about sound effects and all the newer special sound features.


About manufacturers, that's mostly a lie, most of the companies that still make good quality speakers, uses all the improvements they gathered over the years in the new systems, and use even newer and better components, I saw lot's of documentations of making of some of them, and they still have strange and lot better designs and use of titanium, best wood, neodymnium magnets... that's something no one could even think of on the old speakers (just the wood)...
guily that amp is shit, it doesnt even go to 11
LOL, but at 10, it used to kill your hears already, everyone could hear the KEF speakers sound at like 300 meters from the house, but I still prefer a lot nowadays quality...
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Hardware/Software / Re: What Makes an Excellent Sound Card?
« on: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 18:52:12 PM »
I'm glad you believe what you do Guily. It leaves the quality products for the rest of us that enjoy them.
Read up the rest of my post...

I know about the budget and the fact that almost everything nowadays is made in china... but that doesn't count on the expensive vintage newer technology models, there are lot's built out of china with specialized people...

And then old amps are awesome to...... kill fuses and specially condensers (it uses old components which are no match against our new materials).

Nowadays there are some even special capacitors which can solder things just by using them and have a even bigger energy density than even what we though it was possible for their size. You can see them on youtube that ppl bought for experiences...

And about car amplifier, piooner is one of the best. Their new best amplifier (_I think it's 1000w) they claim it doesn't heat up and have the highest efficiency I ever seen, it's almost 100% (they can be lying, or have really used some crazy ass components).

Oh and my father's amp I think it's something like this:



And the speakers I tested on my logitech was something like this:


But I wanted to test my bro's professional speakers in the Z5500, but they have that crap professional input  >:(.

ps: Just like in PC nowadays you can buy +gold pcu's which have more than 90% of energy efficency (WHY? because of new improved components)...
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Hardware/Software / Re: What Makes an Excellent Sound Card?
« on: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 18:21:21 PM »
FLAC pulls the data off the CD perfectly. FLAC = CD quality. MP3 is only about 1/3 the bitrate of normal FLAC but it's done in a way that makes it seem good.
I don't like FLAC. Only have nirvana discography in FLAC, and i think it takes like 2GB or some crap...

And actually sometimes I even prefer to encode my music as .mp3 128kbs at 48hz, than having it at higher rate samples like 300 and something...

About the speakers, well I do prefer quality of nowadays. While an expensive system from the 80's are just normal speakers... An expensive system nowadays comes with like 5 or even more different speakers as a single speaker in a vintage WOOD and accomplished by a powerfull sub. So 5 different speakers, means each one will reproduce only a certain frequency, so that the speakers don't have to lose all their power trying to reproduce every frequency like old systems...

Also nowadays you have special coil cases wich inside has like a labyrinth (if that's how you say it)... Nowadays some expensive ones uses titanium which is a pretty special material also neodymium  which is pretty rare.
Visual example for a comparable concept of loosing details in a block of data, no matter it being an image, a sound clip, or even text, for what it matters.

Starting only with the image on the right, do you think you can precisely take back any detail (even 1 pixel) of the original image on the left? You can't, because you just don't have the data. You can even fake or do a process called pixel binning to simulate a more accurate representation, but it's where all it ends. You can fake a wider representation of a sound clip but it will sound for what it is, a distort rendition in comparison to the original.


Well it may not physically restore the quality, but what it does, is that the crappy compressed songs which are dead songs (sound that has only lower frequencies but poor mids and highs), are listened they way they used to be played before the compression or even have more bass and still with more mids and highs than the original...

ps: if it affects.... yes it does (somes like it, somes don't).
Vintage Sony amps are fantastic if you ever have the chance to listen to one.

As far as modern materials in speakers, I don't know what the advantages are but I do know that modern speakers don't sound as good as vintage ones. It's a fact. It's why 40 year old speakers cost so much. A lot of the JBL speakers from back then were built without a budget. Meaning, the best they could possibly make. What manufacturer does that now? It's all about Made in China at a low budget. I challenge you to try and find a modern speaker that's made in the USA, not just assembled in the USA with Chinese components.

Why would you crank headphones that high on a receiver? That's just abuse.

If you ever have the chance, try a real stereo setup. None of this multichannel crap. Somehow get a hold of some 3-way vintage speakers and an amplifier capable of driving them properly. I KNOW for a fact that your Logitech system is highly lacking mids. Those little satelite speakers are fine for highs and the subwoofer puts out bloated lows but you're not getting mids from anywhere. I know, I had a Logitech setup and it's absolutely night and day difference between it and a real speaker & amplifier setup.

I had a HUGE 5.1 Dell setup where the amp/subwoofer was larger and heavier than a desktop computer:

I hated it, even after using it for a week trying to get used to it and tweaking it. I was using my X-Fi card at the time too. It was way too loud and those satelite speakers just can't output a decent dynamic range at all. When you have good speakers, you don't need a subwoofer. They're really only for multichannel home theater enthusiasts that need the big boom and BIC makes some pretty good subwoofers for that purpose.

I'm really not trying to sound all high and mighty and that MY WAY IS THE BEST WAY. I'm just simply talking from experience. I've had a lot of those "gamer" components and I don't have any of them anymore. I've reached a point where I'm 100% happy with my audio setup.

I hear details in music and games that I've never heard before. One minor silly example is how the M16 shot in AA echoes on for several seconds after you fire. I hear things with great clarity. Properly placed and angled speakers allow you to have an experience that I can only describe as up front and personal. You don't have to crank the volume to hear details, it's like the audio is being piped directly from the speakers into your brain. It doesn't sound like it's coming from any specific direction. That's the only way I can describe it.
Actually non of the old amplifiers are a match for any good amplifier of nowadays, everything is processed with special cpu's, better improved components (mosfets...3rd generation japanese condensers....).

I actually had a music table in my house for over a year that had like 20 500w professional outputs and two huge JBL 1000w RMS professional speakers, and I never heard any old system beating this one...

Specially you can put it on full volume with no source and you won't hear the bzzzzz crappy sound like old amplifiers...


ps: But I still prefer the sound of my logitech Z5500 digital to the more than 10K dollars amplifier I had here for one special reason... You can put the Z5500 at 40db and it will always sound like if you had a good amount of power like with the bigger speakers on higher volume... hint: (SUBWOOFER). And actually the logitech is not that bad on the mids, it's nothing good on the high frequencies, but I had the creative 2.1 special version I have wich have a very high frequency, and everything gets perfect.

ps2: And I prefer a billion times the sounds in the PC those days with a good sound card, using some true bad ass 50mm driver Headphones with neodymnium magnets, it's way more sound quality than you could ever have wanted...
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Hardware/Software / Re: What Makes an Excellent Sound Card?
« on: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 06:37:46 AM »
Well about creative they claim...


"Creative’s Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio gives an experience beyond studio quality with MP3 music and movies! Featuring award-winning X-Fi technologies, X-Fi Crystalizer restores the details and vibrance lost during MP3 and DIVX compression, breathing life back into any audio, while X-Fi CMSS-3D expands stereo music and movies into amazing surround sound. Effective over virtually any speakers, including stereo speakers, Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio even provides unbelievable surround sound over normal headphones!"

That's what I was saying... it's not entirely 100% true, but it does effect, the cpu changed the modulation, it kinda makes the bass sound lower frequency and the highs sound very high.
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And about amps, those old amps are no match against newer ones... Any good hi-fi amp of like 100w here cost around 500€ (660$) in pixmania which is the place you get lower prices, but they have so much more fidelity than the old amps.

And about my father's amp killing headphones is not a malfunction, it's just that at full volume it make any kind of headphones to sound almost like a speaker because it had a pretty huge speaker output that killed your hears too lol (But on low volume ur safe).

And I actually connected one of the good "KEF" good old speakers in my logitech and they sounded better than in the hi-fi amp (just not as loud, cause they are lot more than 100w rms, and the logitech output is 60wrms, but it still kicked some good sound quality and pretty damn loud with good bass). BTW, the speakers are HARD WOOD. But you can buy newer ones in titanium with the best acoustic wood out there, the problem is they will cost like HELL.

Oh and also, old expensive speakers are just...speakers. Nowadays expensive speakers are made of titanium and other good and better materials and some use neodymnium, which is a permanent magnet (rare material on earth). While a normal speaker loses magnet field over time, those never lose it and always kick in pretty bad ass...

ps: I like JBL, that's what I bought for the car, and it killed all my friends speakers at same price level.
I got some speakers left from my old sound system u can buy mans

4 of these (SR, SL, SBL, SBR)
https://servicesales.sel.sony.com/ecom/accessories/web/viewItemDetail.do?operation=getItemDetail&itemID=675086&category=4&categoryName=Home%20Audio

and the centre speaker for the system, part number: SS-CNP5000 which I couldnt find a page for, heres some copy pasta about it

atm they are just chilling in my room taking up space
Yack, I hate sonny sound, in the car huge power subs and speakers, sonny is considered total GARBAGE...
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Hardware/Software / Re: What Makes an Excellent Sound Card?
« on: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 19:36:56 PM »
Give me a picture of this Technics amp please.
I don't have it here, it's from my father, and it also broke the treble button, which sounded like an alien sound at the end of it  ;D.

All I can remember is it had an orange light saying "new Class A synchro Bass" (or some crap like that) and a sticker saying Made In Japan :), I don't even know how much W it had, but all I know is it didn't had any kind of technologies like Z5500 has. But all I know is that it was good to kill headphones (it uses the big input, but I used to use normal headphones with a converter from 3.5mm to the big input like the electric guitars use).

Also I know my brother has a around 500€ sound table or whatever u call it (amplify and has effects and equalizer for lot's of inputs), but I can't compare quality with the Z5500, because the sound table uses only professional type of speakers which have something like 4 or 5 pins can't even remember, and it's a huge input which  you connect and then rotate it to lock the speaker cable in the sound table...

Something like this crap or so:

ps: I would love to test my bro's speakers in the logitech amplifier, but I dont't know which pin is what, and don't wanna fry my amp :)
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Hardware/Software / Re: What Makes an Excellent Sound Card?
« on: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 19:24:14 PM »
Nope. Once it's gone, it's gone. You can't re-add detail.

I don't know what else to say. Creative sucks, Logitech sucks. It's fact, not a matter of opinion. Spend some time on Head-Fi.org in the computer section and the veil of Creative and Logitechs bloatware lies will be lifted.
Yeah, they are not the best, but in almost every review, when like the Z5500 came out, it had like 9\10, 4\5....

And there are tons and tons of ppl who actually like them, I'm one of them...

All I can think off is 4 their price, they have the best quality ever. I also have a Class-A Thecnics amplifier (hi-fi type), but well, the technologies in it are.....0 and the price..... like almost 10 times what I paid for the Z5500, and it's just the price of the amp, it came with no speakers... (the amplifier is from my father not mine).

Also I connected the 100W professional 2-way huge speaker to the center of the Z5500 60w RMS output, and it actually even performed better than in the Thecnincs super expensive amp (The amp was only good to melt headphones, as it had HUGE headphones output), also no distortions on 100% and only started a very very little distortion at over 100% volume (using volume boost), and medium distortion at full volume boost, which can also damage the amplifier (it's meant for very low outputs only since it amplifies way more than it's rated capabilities). And with only that single speaker inside my room I was already having my hears hurting...
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Hardware/Software / Re: What Makes an Excellent Sound Card?
« on: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 18:55:53 PM »
Also XF-i and crystalization restore the quality of the songs, so those compressed music (.mp3, .wav, wma...) get their quality restored by an extensive use of the creative CPU which inverts the compressed enconded music into something way better than that and playing the music at same time. It kinda reminds me of the reverse engineer on the coding world... make a compressed .mp 128kbs 4 example into uncompressed quality of the music...
I heard spankys facepalm from all the way over here in Australia, quality > quantity according to spanky, my 7.3 is both
Actually they aren't that bad, and are pretty loud too with a good SNR. They were the best for their price. I paid like 250€ and even a single 100w hi-fi amp alone can cost around 500€ here, and still wouldn't have the technologies built in the Z5500 amp which is full of technologies for movies and gaming...

They just need a very little tweak on the equalizer to increase a little the higher frequencies, and they actually sound pretty good. They would actually sound like those very expensive speakers, if they used 2 way speakers (All they needed to do was to have a little tweeter for the high frequency, but that would also make the price to increase a lot)...
Compression. Or heavy limiting. Same idea.

Of course they suck hard, but I know how to compensate for bad onboard sound. I can measure/listen for signal clipping so I don't send square waves to my big boy speakers. Then I turn down the gain for the onboard sound and just raise the amplifier power. I've got enough amp power so it's no big deal. I'd rather buy better speakers before I buy a big boy sound card.

Here's a fun fact; on my laptop the volume has to be set to 70% for optimum quality. This is the level where there is no signal clipping.
On my computer, which has a 90s creative soundblaster, the volume must be 85% for optimum quality.
Well I never had any kind of problem using my old Creative sound card on 100%, never noted anything with the headphones, and also 50% volume in them is like what 80% volume sounds like on my current onboard soundcard (but at like 60% it starts the big huge scratches specially on AA gun sounds)...

And then, most of those high quality and even studio quality like soundcards are meant to be used with very high quality huge drivers headphones, there's not much point to this sound cards if you don't have headphones or don't want hardware 3D sound 5.1\7.1. But using speakers, the soundcard amplifying components aren't much important as the amplifier that will be amplifying will be external, but technologies like CMSS, X-fi and crystalizer always matter, no matter what kind of amplifier or headphones you have.
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Hardware/Software / Re: What Makes an Excellent Sound Card?
« on: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 18:46:03 PM »
*facepalm* Even Skrewy knows better than to get Logitech speakers... No wonder you think X-Fi cards sound good. You probably care more about multi-channel than speaker placement or accurate sound reproduction.
Well... I'm very sound enthusiastic...

On my creative sound card, I had 9.3 speakers all connected together...

Z5500 digital 5.1 + 2.1 creative special edition speaker (satelites have a very high frequency) + 2.1 from creative (Good mid to mid-high).

Well It made a very awesome sound, I preferred my setup than the sound on any disco\club that I have been with thousand dollars special equipment.

Specially because I had a lot of different frequencies to play with. Logitech is more for low and mid low, then I had high frequency and also a good mid and mid-high frequency and 3 different reaction subwoofer, being the one of the Z5500 enough to almost break the windows.



ps: I also have the Creative fatality headphones, which are just 40mm drivers with neodymnium magnets (Nothing special and not expensive, but not that bad too).
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Hardware/Software / Re: What Makes an Excellent Sound Card?
« on: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 18:31:23 PM »
Meh, these days motherboard sound is enough for anything. If your a pro and play with big boy speakers, and pro audio equipment, you're going to have a usb or fireware DAC if you use the computer for audio. If you're a gamer and feel like those PCI-E soundcards do something for you, that's cool maybe it does I dunno.

If you don't use the computer for audio, then you're on vinyl or cd's which then is a completely different story and all of this discussion about sound cards doesn't matter :)

In the end, for me as long as I don't hear clipped waveforms and bad response then I don't really care how the sound is being processed.
Well I have add lots and lots of motherboards, and seen lots, and couldn't activate Hardware 3D or EAX in anyone I tested... Also When I had my creative, on 3 bars of volume in the Z5500, the house was already shaking and cd's were always falling down. Now on the motherboard sound, I have to use a lot more volume to obtain the same volume, but it sounds pretty bad (Kinda like if there was not really high frequencies, it sound kinda death).

Also Creative has technologies like "combat mod" that make you hear any enemy before they hear you. I never heard that, cause I never had a newer sound card from them, but I bet is all about their processor trying to detect the minimum sounds and making them louder (it might be something like that).

And you are wrong about the onboard sound cards being good.

I have this motherboard:

It's pretty recent, and the first board ever made of it's kind. BUT STAY MILES AWAY FROM IT'S REALSHIT SOUNDCARD... Unless you love playing games at half volume only where you can't hear almost anyone at all...

ps: But nowadays there's a few rare top of the line motherboards that bring Xf-i and EAX onboard soundcards.

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Hardware/Software / Re: What Makes an Excellent Sound Card?
« on: Monday, April 09, 2012, 20:02:59 PM »
Yeah I know that, but I would be happy to own one of the new creative sound cards...

They really have improved it...


I do believe I would be happy with the original opamp's from this card, all I need to pay is the price of the card...

I also love the music played in the creative cards, even the older ones with pretty bad components, weren't bad.

I was happy with the creative live 24 bits (or some crap like that, that I have somewhere around). And with the New improved XF-I CPU musics will always sound crystal clear.


Using good components increase the quality output, but having special CPU's and special software, you can control the music more and make it sound very crystal clear.


They also say:

"EAX® and 3D audio restoration for Windows Vista®
Using Windows Vista? Creative ALchemy restores the surround sound effect for the same great gaming experience as on Windows XPâ„¢."


And yes the one u shown looks badass, but I still wouldn't buy it, It's the difference between something intended for gaming and not for having the best SNR, the best impendance, but something to have a lot of hardware processing effects that will make you hear them before they hear you :).

ps: And I bet they have improved the software, because they say "Optimized 4 wind7" and also they say now you just need a click or so to increase the quality thanks to their progressive new functions, X-Fi Cmss-3d & X-Fi Crystalizer, now fully wind7 compatible...
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