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Well I must have missed all of them quote one

I do believe you.

Can someone lock this ridiculous thread already? :-D

Same as the shout box, if you dont like the thread, stay out. Thats was your own advice yes?

I meant we would never ban a server admin like that.

Ahh I see. But I never thought you would.

But that's not power abuse, so that's perfectly ok, as long as rules are communicated upfront.

And we can not join servers as admins undetected. If we have admin rights, we have the special assist dev with it, and the pb power points like Merlin mentioned are not admin rights, they are kicking rights. But it's obvious that we have kicking rights as we can also ban people from whole of assist. How else can we stop catched cheaters from playing?
When we ban them from assist, they are not instantly kicked from a server, this is the way we can do that, but apart from the kicking rights, we do NOT have any other rights, since we do not need it for anything.

This falls perfectly within our responsibilities for anticheat without giving too many rights.

This should be clear cut and simple. Noone has the right to go in anyones back door for any reason ever.
We know you have theright to ban people for cheating etc. But you dont have the right to go in and ban admin for being abusive or acting like ass holes. Its not needed. Its a poor excuse for going in the back door undetected/ We are not talking about banning cheats here. Its about assist staff going into a private server undetected. Thats the part I say is wrong and unexcep[table unless you made it clear in public, that this is your terms.

Ok, so we agree partially on some points.

However, how does it makes a difference whether I play on their servers, or them hosting their servers on our assist server?

Not to sure what you mean here. Play there if you like no problem. "our assist" Who pays admin or everyone donations? which would include server admins. They pay for both there end and you end.

What gives them the right to abuse the powers on their servers, while we would not have the rights to intervene?

If you want the right to intervene then you would have to be up front and say we will come in and out of your servers from time to time to monitor admins. Then you have the right because you made it a term and condiction of being a private admin. BTW that word Pirvate really means private, means no ones allowed with out authority

As said before, this does not happen, but I am playing devils advocate here, just to open up the discussion and think about it.
Why would they have the right to abuse their powers all they want, on our assist servers, on their private servers?

Because the pay for the privilage of running a server how THEY like, not how staff think they should. Like I said AA never done that when they paid and only they paid.

Isn't it us who pays the bills for the assist server as well?

No you know thats not true voulentery payments from many others including private server owners.

Ultimately, they are putting their servers on our servers.

No like I said they pay for both. you or some of the staff might pay something towards it? Unless I am wrong?

So taking your points exactly like you said, it ultimately is like you said: " And thats is freedom of choise. the players have the same freedom to leave the server empty."

But you are taking away from them just because you can.

We should not abuse any powers, but imo, neither the PSA should do so.

I think we are all agreed that they nor satff should abuse powers. But you move in the same theme as them but sneaking into private server unannounced. That is wrong on any level. Same as FBI taping your calls just incase.

Assist has no rights on anyones server.  Admin can do what ever they want on there server . The only rights assist have is to ban  cheats. Any thing other than this is abuse of assist power.

And the next thing you will say is he used a cheat lol