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Thats not how it worked on AA ever. SO now you believe you have the right to do this why?

They are on there own server thats what they pay for and its none of assists business. If people want to drop by for abuse thats up to there dumb ass, not yours. You dont need to protect them from abuse of that sort. All the players do is leave and its done. Simply nothing to do with AA or assist

Correct, correct,correct.

 Wrong wrong wrong Nonthing to do with assist.


 In the Forum and shout box yes it is. In the private servers no its not. Players can stay and be abused if there dumb enough. BUt it really doesnt happen.



His server his rules take it or leave it. How simples that? Not up to you to over ride a guy who pays the bills. Like I said AA never done it. you dont have the right. Even if you are doing it for a right reason. Its not you paying the server bill.




Yes he does rightly or wrongly he pays the bills. Thats is why you dont have the right togo over him.
 And thats is freedom of choise. the players have the same freedom to leave the server empty.

Ok, so we agree partially on some points.

However, how does it makes a difference whether I play on their servers, or them hosting their servers on our assist server?
What gives them the right to abuse the powers on their servers, while we would not have the rights to intervene?

As said before, this does not happen, but I am playing devils advocate here, just to open up the discussion and think about it.
Why would they have the right to abuse their powers all they want, on our assist servers, on their private servers?

Isn't it us who pays the bills for the assist server as well? Ultimately, they are putting their servers on our servers. So taking your points exactly like you said, it ultimately is like you said: " And thats is freedom of choise. the players have the same freedom to leave the server empty."

We should not abuse any powers, but imo, neither the PSA should do so.

Ok, so we agree partially on some points.

However, how does it makes a difference whether I play on their servers, or them hosting their servers on our assist server?

Not to sure what you mean here. Play there if you like no problem. "our assist" Who pays admin or everyone donations? which would include server admins. They pay for both there end and you end.

What gives them the right to abuse the powers on their servers, while we would not have the rights to intervene?

If you want the right to intervene then you would have to be up front and say we will come in and out of your servers from time to time to monitor admins. Then you have the right because you made it a term and condiction of being a private admin. BTW that word Pirvate really means private, means no ones allowed with out authority

As said before, this does not happen, but I am playing devils advocate here, just to open up the discussion and think about it.
Why would they have the right to abuse their powers all they want, on our assist servers, on their private servers?

Because the pay for the privilage of running a server how THEY like, not how staff think they should. Like I said AA never done that when they paid and only they paid.

Isn't it us who pays the bills for the assist server as well?

No you know thats not true voulentery payments from many others including private server owners.

Ultimately, they are putting their servers on our servers.

No like I said they pay for both. you or some of the staff might pay something towards it? Unless I am wrong?

So taking your points exactly like you said, it ultimately is like you said: " And thats is freedom of choise. the players have the same freedom to leave the server empty."

But you are taking away from them just because you can.

We should not abuse any powers, but imo, neither the PSA should do so.

I think we are all agreed that they nor satff should abuse powers. But you move in the same theme as them but sneaking into private server unannounced. That is wrong on any level. Same as FBI taping your calls just incase.

I thought this started with assist admin going into servers undetected like merlin said.  Thats the part thats not good from assist if its true?? I aint for admins who abuse. But I am for this is our rules and that applys to everyone. So if assist say from the start or even has to bring it in. Just as lobg as its up front terms. Same as server admin. They pay they make the rules as it says in so many servers. I banned only life bans on my server. One chance deal. At the begining I tried to tell people oh please read the rules. no early 203s/ Then arguing with clowns took its toll and it was then break a rules, your life banned. And it worked for me. I had a hardcore base of guys who new the rules never broke the rules and they enjoyed my server with its no nonsense approach. So everyone who liked my server stayed, because they knew there would be no crap just pure gaming.

Every thing just has to be upfront. Then theres no excuses.

i start to like you Bart, but i guess you know that already

its like a company is building a car, then you change the weels. now you have control of the car?
you have to explain that a bit more

JonnyM and ELiZ did the job what is called today Assist. they did all needed to get this game running WITH honors (auth server) and cheat detection. therefore i give a very loud applause!
but as i did write above, the car is aa25 game, the wheels are aa25assist. that's a fact as well.

about the argument of needing admin rights on the car (the game itself) because of kicking hackers immediately is just a joke, but not even a good one. you know the well known servers are always populated with server owners with admin rights. so really no need to kick any player sitting inside the car (the game). first you have to proof - and you do very very long as i can see with this phyro (which i think is very good to have a correct proof before you ban) - then you have to ban. so it really doesn't matter if a player, who did maybe play this game for years with hacks, just plays another 5-6 hours.

it is just not correct doing so, jumping into the car (the game) as a driver. the owner did buy the car, you only changed the weels (assist). but i also dont care about this. most of you did not abuse it, that i can say here loud and clear. but the power point part is bullshit and you should stop that. because it is hidden.

and the part of restricting me here at the forum is also not correct. before a post of mine is released, an admin or mod has to "control" it. this is a poor part as well as banning pit after years for his behavior agaist a woman who maybe isn't that she do say to all. this i care about. because it looks to me (and others) that you will not hear some facts. YOU do decide what people can read and what not (sounds a bit like a dictatorship you are doing). and vegeta did already say it: we all pay for the server of the auth system (only one is needed). so maybe think again about that all.
doing steps like this will not take out the bullet in the breast of this game.

Two different cases. I buy the explanation for the need of pb power, which even havent been abused. Maybe it should have been told on before hand, but then again many players thought Assist Admin badge would give rights as well. For example Merlin had Assist Admin accounts on banlist with a description that they would have joined his servers with admin privileges, but they have no access to adminpanel nor handle server from console, only this recently added pb power thing - which sounds good to me.

The other case seems to be clear as well...

His point about the posible attacks are really bad set up, I already showed that I could not know my guid was banned in his Servers since I did not got booted from any (where are the logs of my account getting kick for begin banned?), last played in his Urban Assault server at 23/05/2016, he posted router logs from 02/06/2016, he said the attacks started 5 days after him banning my guid in his servers (explained above, so this one is already invalid), well, 10 days later since last time I played in his servers, something doesnt match, right?

Its up to you to prove what you are saying and currently what your are saying makes no sense.
You are just trying to kill this project with all this bull shit, I see why you have been on wrong ppl side.

But that's not power abuse, so that's perfectly ok, as long as rules are communicated upfront.

And we can not join servers as admins undetected. If we have admin rights, we have the special assist dev with it, and the pb power points like Merlin mentioned are not admin rights, they are kicking rights. But it's obvious that we have kicking rights as we can also ban people from whole of assist. How else can we stop catched cheaters from playing?
When we ban them from assist, they are not instantly kicked from a server, this is the way we can do that, but apart from the kicking rights, we do NOT have any other rights, since we do not need it for anything.

This falls perfectly within our responsibilities for anticheat without giving too many rights.

This should be clear cut and simple. Noone has the right to go in anyones back door for any reason ever.
We know you have theright to ban people for cheating etc. But you dont have the right to go in and ban admin for being abusive or acting like ass holes. Its not needed. Its a poor excuse for going in the back door undetected/ We are not talking about banning cheats here. Its about assist staff going into a private server undetected. Thats the part I say is wrong and unexcep[table unless you made it clear in public, that this is your terms.

Why not? Nothing wrong in telling them the condictions of the contract. Never do up front and honset? Really.