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Offline KARI-30

Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
« Reply #90 on: Friday, October 11, 2013, 15:51:28 PM »
That assist is making screenshots is a good thing. However in my opinion it should stop making screenshots when Armyops.exe is not running or has been closed more than 15 minutes ago. Or when your auth slot is not open.

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« Reply #91 on: Friday, October 11, 2013, 16:23:42 PM »
@Rapture
But the concept is as easy as it is fatal.
See the stats how many people quit with Assist after this trojan features got public.

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Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
« Reply #92 on: Friday, October 11, 2013, 16:26:10 PM »
Not going to argue on when the "AC" should take screens but the logic "why can't we spy on you, got something to hide?" is the typical american logic, where human rights and privacy don't really exist anymore. It was the exact same logic when there was the "trojaned" Assist version, where admins and devs clearly stated that if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't worry about them browsing your PC, because they wouldn't find anything right?

And of course, if you don't like what they do, don't install Assist, simple.

Also, the "fix" to take screenshots only when in game is very easy and there are multiple ways to go about it, which pretty much tells you that they want to take screens while out of game.

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Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
« Reply #93 on: Friday, October 11, 2013, 17:22:39 PM »
Not going to argue on when the "AC" should take screens but the logic "why can't we spy on you, got something to hide?" is the typical american logic, where human rights and privacy don't really exist anymore.
#paranoidprivacy
Like I said, nobody has true privacy unless you live out in the woods and have no social contacts. OMG YOUR FRIENDS KNOW YOUR PHONE NUMBER, YOUR NEIGHBOR KNOWS WHERE YOU LIVE OMG OMG BETTER SUE THEM.

Also, the "fix" to take screenshots only when in game is very easy and there are multiple ways to go about it, which pretty much tells you that they want to take screens while out of game.
Yea, it could be somewhat easy to only allow captures when Assist is running but there's hacks that have no visual display so screenshots would be pointless. A decent amount of UnrealBot users were caught when Assist took a screenshot and there it is, open or on their desktop.
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Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
« Reply #94 on: Friday, October 11, 2013, 17:39:05 PM »
#paranoidprivacy
Like I said, nobody has true privacy unless you live out in the woods and have no social contacts. OMG YOUR FRIENDS KNOW YOUR PHONE NUMBER, YOUR NEIGHBOR KNOWS WHERE YOU LIVE OMG OMG BETTER SUE THEM.
Yea, it could be somewhat easy to only allow captures when Assist is running but there's hacks that have no visual display so screenshots would be pointless. A decent amount of UnrealBot users were caught when Assist took a screenshot and there it is, open or on their desktop.

there we go again, typical american mentality: if you care about your privacy you'll just get labelled as another tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist.



So what about you catching noobs who keep their hacks on the desktop? I recall you also caught cheaters while using the trojaned version, that right? Why don't you just install full Remote Desktop anyway at this point if your whole argument is "privacy is gone, let me browse your shit". I'm sure you'll catch many more cheaters without visuals and mouse macro users!

If you can't see how flawed your logic is then...


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Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
« Reply #95 on: Friday, October 11, 2013, 17:49:14 PM »
It's called a compromise. Full remote access would be wrong. I do agree that screenshots could be used maliciously (only if someone had a LOT of time on their hands). Point is, they're not. If you don't trust us then feel free to uninstall.

This is what we can do for anti-cheat. Unlike you, we know nothing about coding injectable code or ways to make Assist/AA more secure. The goal isn't to invade users privacy, it's to keep AA clean. But, we're not professionals so we fail at both. What else can we do? Let hackers go and then users come here and rage at us for doing nothing?

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I'll also say that it's this constant complaining that really makes this work less enjoyable. We all love to work on this project but it's really disheartening when people come together to rage about your best efforts put fourth. It's like, why even bother?
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Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
« Reply #96 on: Friday, October 11, 2013, 18:08:29 PM »
It's called a compromise. Full remote access would be wrong. I do agree that screenshots could be used maliciously (only if someone had a LOT of time on their hands). Point is, they're not. If you don't trust us then feel free to uninstall.

This is what we can do for anti-cheat. Unlike you, we know nothing about coding injectable code or ways to make Assist/AA more secure. The goal isn't to invade users privacy, it's to keep AA clean. But, we're not professionals so we fail at both. What else can we do? Let hackers go and then users come here and rage at us for doing nothing?

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I'll also say that it's this constant complaining that really makes this work less enjoyable. We all love to work on this project but it's really disheartening when people come together to rage about your best efforts put fourth. It's like, why even bother?

Really? ELiZ is the USCRIPT programmer (didn't he also say he coded other utilities too?) while Possessed is making DLLs with aimbot in it and you tell me you have no idea about coding? Must be either some bad or ironic joke...

And no, I'm not "raging" nor complaining because if you check my first post in this thread I clearly said that if Dav3 or whoever has a problem with it to either deal with it or uninstall it. I was only talking about your privacy arguments.

And you can't really call them "best efforts" when there are other viable options to your latest "detections" like that file scan program you mentioned (eg.: search for "unrealbot.exe" or whatever or by md5) that are less intrusive being it handled by an automatized program.


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Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
« Reply #97 on: Friday, October 11, 2013, 18:15:10 PM »
ELiZ can code UScript but it wasn't long ago you said that is easily disabled and frankly that doesn't surprise me. He had made other utilities but I don't think he's good with the code that you know, otherwise we would already have some kind of solution and he wouldn't be messing with Assist to detect hacks. As for Possessed, he might be able to code something but I have yet to see anything aside from hacks. Me? I have a hard time even compiling UScript, I know some PHP and that's about it.

As for MD5, hacks constantly update and we'd have to pay for them. As soon as a hack is updated, we'd have to push a new version of Assist. Constant and obvious cat-and-mouse.

Again, I see nothing else. Nothing we can use. So, what Assist is now, that's our best effort. I see a lot of people complaining but nobody coming forward with something we can use.
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Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
« Reply #98 on: Friday, October 11, 2013, 18:41:25 PM »
U know spanky as bad as this got with the ss situation as the only real way of catching these kiddie cheats, I'm all for it 10000% as I'm sure all legit players are, those that are so worried must gave something to hide,
easy solution for the paranoid players
Don't agree with these terms uninstall
Or
Don't leave the game open period, don't leave the game running period, problem solved,
What's so dam hard to understand that

Mise well lock this thread nothing is being resolved here alot of useless space on this topic

Btw spanky how many players where caught by using this method ??

Side note  ELIZ. I wasn't aware you're pb collector program was still working, pm a link where to download it, I wanna be active again at aci



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Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
« Reply #99 on: Friday, October 11, 2013, 18:52:21 PM »
Side note  ELIZ. I wasn't aware you're pb collector program was still working, pm a link where to download it, I wanna be active again at aci

Sure

http://www.anticheatinc.net/forums/showthread.php?t=84842

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Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
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Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
« Reply #101 on: Friday, October 11, 2013, 19:37:58 PM »
why does Willian Harris bothers about 25Assist ac methods, when he is building hes own AA2 shit with Pit 23?
fuck off and get out.
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« Last Edit: Friday, October 11, 2013, 19:42:34 PM by Possessed »
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Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
« Reply #103 on: Friday, October 11, 2013, 19:52:43 PM »
why does Willian Harris bothers about 25Assist ac methods, when he is building hes own AA2 shit with Pit 23?
fuck off and get out.

If any truth to that, anyone that follows or plays on it has to be a complete fucking moron and have there head examine

So good luck to any moron follows pit

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Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
« Reply #104 on: Friday, October 11, 2013, 20:22:16 PM »
I'll also say that it's this constant complaining that really makes this work less enjoyable. We all love to work on this project but it's really disheartening when people come together to rage about your best efforts put fourth. It's like, why even bother?

I check these forums a lot but as you can see I usually don't post.

I for one am very happy for the work the Assist crew does, I have played this game almost from the start and was very sad to see it dropped by the army. You can never please everyone in a multiplayer game as I'm sure you know.

Personally I know nothing about AC or coding, I just play the game. We have always had to put up with cheaters in this or most games we all play, that's just how life is, you will always have that minority of people that will do anything to feel loved by the community or get into the best clans for playing "unreal". Yes it sucks to play against them, yes you just wanna put your fist through their monitor and punch them straight in the face but you can't. I usually just switch servers or just take a break from the game. I understand that the player base is so small now that it really does have more of an impact than it used too as now there may only be one server with people in it.

I am glad you care enough for the people and the game to try and implement an AC tool and do your best to catch these losers. I am however wondering if this is the best way as it is very (or could be) invasive to personal files and such. Even as you say no one is using the info in anyway besides being banned for "found cheats". Like I said I can't code so I can give no help or better solution to the problem besides only taking SS while Armyops is running. Sometimes in life you just have to deal with it as life isn't always fair. Over the years having been in and played with some of the top clans in this game I have personally know many cheaters. I still know a few that still play this game, I just deal with it as I know it's not really "them" beating me.

Anyway that's my 2 cents, thanks

 

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