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Title: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 17:42:19 PM
   (iv) takes "screenshots" of the Licensee's computer screen at any given time while Assist is running
                       without notice to the Licensee.



Ever have assist running while not having AA open? or minimize? stay in server?

Its "randomly" taking SS of my pc while im out of game? thats bs. you have no right to be looking at anything on my screen other than strictly game involved.





Then there is all this :

The Licensee is considered violating the Terms of Service if you, the Licensee:
   (i) Harass, threaten, embarrass, or do anything else to another player that is unwanted, such as repeatedly
        sending unwanted messages or making personal attacks or statements about race, sexual orientation,
                     religion, heritage, etc.
   (ii) Transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive,
                       vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in
                       a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated.
   (iii) Disrupt the flow of chat in AA with vulgar language, abusiveness, use of excessive shouting [all caps] in
                       an attempt to disturb other users, "spamming" or flooding [posting repetitive text].
   (iv) Impersonate another person (including celebrities); indicate falsely that you are a Dev, or attempt to
                       mislead users by indicating that you represent Assist or it's Devs.
   (v) Attempt to get a password, account information, or other private information from anyone else on Assist
                      or AA.
   (vi) Promote or encourage any illegal activity including hacking, cracking or distribution of counterfeit software.
   (vii) Upload files that contain a virus or corrupted data.
   (viii) Use or distribute "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility"
                        software program or applications.
   (ix) Modify any part of the Assist service.
   (x) Post and/or distribute any player's real-world personal information inside Assist or AA.
   (xi) Attempt to interfere with, hack into or decipher any transmissions to or from the Assist or AA servers.
   (xii) Use and/or distribute exploits to gain an unfair advantage in a game.
   (xiii) Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing AA.





ALL of that should be per server administration really. Someone "embarrass" someone and u have the "right" to ban?






Seems you guys are still crossing some lines and leaving loops so you can essentially ban anyone for any reason you want.

Since people generally dont get banned for no reason that isnt my main concern as the 1st one I mentioned of the SS being taken of peoples comps. Only condition needed is assist running / open.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 18:02:05 PM
Lets make this plain and simple if you don't have shit on you're computer then no player shouldn't care how there catching these noobs

I don't totally agree what it has become of, but if its a way to catch these kiddie noobs, I'm. All for it 10000000%
word of advice no one forced you to accept the terms, don't agree uninstall and have a nice day,

What have you done other then complain about there hard work keeping this game alive
seems like you always have something to complain about, get a grip dude go get laid or something

Until you help out here stop all you're whining and complaining it's getting old and tiring
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Spanky on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 18:09:47 PM
Don't like it? Feel free to uninstall. I made the TOS after that whole shitstorm to tell people what we do and what isn't allowed. I think it's pretty fair.

If you don't want Assist taking screenshots of your desktop, close it. You're not stupid enough to leave notepad open with credit card numbers and such are you? I've never come across anyone that even keeps that information saved on their computer, let alone visible on the desktop. Even if you did, we're not going to do anything with it. As said in the TOS, none of the information is shared outside us, none of it is made public. If we wanted to steal your information/identity, harvest e-mail addresses and passwords for malicious uses, we would have done it years ago.

We should also be able to ban those that abuse the system. Simple.

Until you help out here stop all you're whining and complaining it's getting old and tiring
Quoted for truth.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: DwightSchrute on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 18:45:36 PM
   (iv) takes "screenshots" of the Licensee's computer screen at any given time while Assist is running
                       without notice to the Licensee.



Ever have assist running while not having AA open? or minimize? stay in server?

Its "randomly" taking SS of my pc while im out of game? thats bs. you have no right to be looking at anything on my screen other than strictly game involved.





Then there is all this :

The Licensee is considered violating the Terms of Service if you, the Licensee:
   (i) Harass, threaten, embarrass, or do anything else to another player that is unwanted, such as repeatedly
        sending unwanted messages or making personal attacks or statements about race, sexual orientation,
                     religion, heritage, etc.
   (ii) Transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive,
                       vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in
                       a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated.
   (iii) Disrupt the flow of chat in AA with vulgar language, abusiveness, use of excessive shouting [all caps] in
                       an attempt to disturb other users, "spamming" or flooding [posting repetitive text].
   (iv) Impersonate another person (including celebrities); indicate falsely that you are a Dev, or attempt to
                       mislead users by indicating that you represent Assist or it's Devs.
   (v) Attempt to get a password, account information, or other private information from anyone else on Assist
                      or AA.
   (vi) Promote or encourage any illegal activity including hacking, cracking or distribution of counterfeit software.
   (vii) Upload files that contain a virus or corrupted data.
   (viii) Use or distribute "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility"
                        software program or applications.
   (ix) Modify any part of the Assist service.
   (x) Post and/or distribute any player's real-world personal information inside Assist or AA.
   (xi) Attempt to interfere with, hack into or decipher any transmissions to or from the Assist or AA servers.
   (xii) Use and/or distribute exploits to gain an unfair advantage in a game.
   (xiii) Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing AA.





ALL of that should be per server administration really. Someone "embarrass" someone and u have the "right" to ban?






Seems you guys are still crossing some lines and leaving loops so you can essentially ban anyone for any reason you want.

Since people generally dont get banned for no reason that isnt my main concern as the 1st one I mentioned of the SS being taken of peoples comps. Only condition needed is assist running / open.

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Your opinion is unwanted, which can warrant you a ban. See you bruv. :arab:
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:00:40 PM
Typical valueless fanboy replies b1tching about people pointing out flaws and bringing up concerns. Yall need to get a grip. Your completely missing the point of my post and replying with nothing but condescending bullsh1t as per the norm.

My point is - SS should be taken of INGAME. Not all the time of all the pc because Assist it open.



Does PB do this? Does ANY OTHER game take ss of your computer and NOT the game? I highly doubt it.


My point is - SS should be taken of INGAME. Not all the time of all the pc because Assist it open.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Ganja on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:14:10 PM
My point is - SS should be taken of INGAME. Not all the time of all the pc because Assist it open.

That would be no improvement. They try to catch hackers by watching programs running, desktops maybe, other shit that you won't see ingame
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:15:12 PM
That would be no improvement. They try to catch hackers by watching programs running, desktops maybe, other shit that you won't see ingame

Slow in the head?

Why should SS be taken of my comp if amyops.exe isnt running?

It should be a simple fix to define when SS are taken.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Ganja on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:16:56 PM
Why should SS be taken of my comp if amyops.exe isnt running?.

Slow in your head? army ops is running when you play. When you don't play, close assist or log out. What's the problem?
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: bollie on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:24:19 PM
So spanky what do you thing about my desktop pic? Thats a amazing trick huh :-D
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:25:45 PM
Slow in your head? army ops is running when you play. When you don't play, close assist or log out. What's the problem?

Did you read ANYTHING? Trolling? Or really have some sort of serious cognitive disability


ARMYOPS aka the fking GAME DOES NOT need to be open. Only assist.

My guess is a lot of ppl including me had the habbit of leaving assist open, just by habbit. If you take a break, leave the server, any reason. Any time ASSIST and assist alone is open it takes ss, the game does not need to be running, let alone on top.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: bollie on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:27:53 PM
Did you read ANYTHING? Trolling? Or really have some sort of serious cognitive disability


ARMYOPS aka the fking GAME DOES NOT need to be open. Only assist.

My guess is a lot of ppl including me had the habbit of leaving assist open, just by habbit. If you take a break, leave the server, any reason. Any time ASSIST and assist alone is open it takes ss, the game does not need to be running, let alone on top.

So close assist. Problem solved?
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:32:57 PM
So close assist. Problem solved?


No sh1t genius. Why you mindless trolls even reply blows my mind.

My point stands in how it functions as is. Not to mention most people dont read the TOS, and had I not I wouldnt even know SS are being taken of my comp when im not even playing. - and willing to bet the majority of people wouldnt like this.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:38:39 PM
AND it not only leaves the possibility of internally getting information that is personal or unneeded....BUT

WHERE are these SS being saved? what if it gets compromised / hacked. And so on and so fourth. You should not be collecting data you dont need, you should even look at it as a liability for the assist team once again.

Imagine this - ss taken of someones something, banking info, ANY personal info, personal images, HECK anything the possibilities are endless.

They get hacked. Enjoy.



Assist should only take SS while game is open and MAXIMIZED ideally. But at least limit it to when the game is running, or have assist automatically shut down once the game is closed.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: DwightSchrute on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:41:50 PM

No sh1t genius. Why you mindless trolls even reply blows my mind.

My point stands in how it functions as is. Not to mention most people dont read the TOS, and had I not I wouldnt even know SS are being taken of my comp when im not even playing. - and willing to bet the majority of people wouldnt like this.

Arguing with retards is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good you are at chess the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board and strut around like it's victorious.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Ganja on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:43:59 PM
Did you read ANYTHING? Trolling? Or really have some sort of serious cognitive disability


ARMYOPS aka the fking GAME DOES NOT need to be open. Only assist.

My guess is a lot of ppl including me had the habbit of leaving assist open, just by habbit. If you take a break, leave the server, any reason. Any time ASSIST and assist alone is open it takes ss, the game does not need to be running, let alone on top.

You're funny man. Clearly you're the one not understanding this ...
What's wrong with my statement? Maybe you need a scheme or something.

Assist open:

1) You play
2) You don't play

If 1 ==> No problem
If 2 ==>  Close assist or log out if you don't want pictures taken

I'd be willing to bet you have more than one disability.

Tell me when you understand this
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:49:33 PM
Arguing with retards is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good you are at chess the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

Well said.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Spanky on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:50:58 PM
WHERE are these SS being saved? what if it gets compromised / hacked. And so on and so fourth. You should not be collecting data you dont need, you should even look at it as a liability for the assist team once again.
They aren't stored anywhere. If Auth gets hacked, the hackers will have huge logs, that's about it.

Imagine this - ss taken of someones something, banking info, ANY personal info, personal images, HECK anything the possibilities are endless.

They get hacked. Enjoy.
Most important details are not shown to users, even if you own that information. What I mean is, if I give you my online banking details, what can you do? Transfer money from checking to savings? Ohhh, scary. I can't imagine anyone having a text document open with their usernames & passwords. Aside from that, how could we use any info that's on your screen?


Assist should only take SS while game is open and MAXIMIZED ideally. But at least limit it to when the game is running, or have assist automatically shut down once the game is closed.
Let me show you where this ideal world falls apart:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/464376/aac_maap/blackwolf.jpg
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/464376/aac_maap/blackwolf.jpg)

That's an Assist-taken screenshot of the now banned user =IGC=B!@c[k]-Wolf^. Any questions?
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:51:01 PM
You're funny man. Clearly you're the one not understanding this ...
What's wrong with my statement? Maybe you need a scheme or something.

Assist open:

1) You play
2) You don't play

If 1 ==> No problem
If 2 ==>  Close assist or log out if you don't want pictures taken

I'd be willing to bet you have more than one disability.

Tell me when you understand this


I give up, you clearly have some sort of serious lack of comprehension ability or skill.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: bollie on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:52:50 PM

No sh1t genius. Why you mindless trolls even reply blows my mind.

My point stands in how it functions as is. Not to mention most people dont read the TOS, and had I not I wouldnt even know SS are being taken of my comp when im not even playing. - and willing to bet the majority of people wouldnt like this.

You really need to take a chillpill, and lower ur blood pressure. 
Im again laughing about you bitching and moaning.... carry on moaner!

If you dont like it: uninstall.
Bye byeeeee





Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:53:09 PM
dav it's simple if you don't like it uninstall, no more needs to be said about this, u read the terms when u agreed to it when installing so just drop it

if your that paranoid about ss close the dam game completly, promblem solved

it's not going to change cause you want it too, i'm sure alot of players even myself are not happy the way this has become,  but fuck if this helps them in anyway i'm all for it, what's the big deal

spanky made good points in his post

Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:57:23 PM
They aren't stored anywhere. If Auth gets hacked, the hackers will have huge logs, that's about it.
Most important details are not shown to users, even if you own that information. What I mean is, if I give you my online banking details, what can you do? Transfer money from checking to savings? Ohhh, scary. I can't imagine anyone having a text document open with their usernames & passwords. Aside from that, how could we use any info that's on your screen?

Let me show you where this ideal world falls apart:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/464376/aac_maap/blackwolf.jpg
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/464376/aac_maap/blackwolf.jpg)

That's an Assist-taken screenshot of the now banned user =IGC=B!@c[k]-Wolf^. Any questions?



Are you for real dude. Yes please, do give me ur banking or CC info. I sure will move from savings to checking. NOT.


Email money transfer. All major banking institutions have it. - would take minutes to transfer funds from an account to my own or any other.
You can also use e-interact.
Or just CC in general to make purchases.

Not to mention all the other possibilities aside from financial.

Please tell me you are kidding? That SS you posted is a perfect example why this is wrong.

Sure your example is good in how it caught a hacker but that is likely slim.

My bet is there are thousands of screen caps of people on facebook, personal pics, personal info and so on.






AND what do u mean they are not stored ANYWHERE? Why are they even taken then, how did u get that one? That doesnt make sense in the slightest.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:57:48 PM
They aren't stored anywhere. If Auth gets hacked, the hackers will have huge logs, that's about it.
Most important details are not shown to users, even if you own that information. What I mean is, if I give you my online banking details, what can you do? Transfer money from checking to savings? Ohhh, scary. I can't imagine anyone having a text document open with their usernames & passwords. Aside from that, how could we use any info that's on your screen?

Let me show you where this ideal world falls apart:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/464376/aac_maap/blackwolf.jpg
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/464376/aac_maap/blackwolf.jpg)

That's an Assist-taken screenshot of the now banned user =IGC=B!@c[k]-Wolf^. Any questions?

yes i do, i;m sure he wasn't just ban on this only right??
cause i'm sure alot of people view cheat sites everyday to see whats going on out there, i know i do, but i wouldn't be so stuipid to buy a kiddie cheat specially from a noob name lowhertz lol
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 19:58:49 PM
Wick and bollie your both on the same brain power as that ganja kid.

COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT AND ISSUE AT HAND
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: bollie on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:01:57 PM
yes i do, i;m sure he wasn't just ban on this only right??
cause i'm sure alot of people view cheat sites everyday to see whats going on out there, i know i do, but i wouldn't be so stuipid to buy a kiddie cheat specially from a noob name lowhertz lol

Than haha J its time for ur ban ;-)
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: DwightSchrute on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:03:05 PM
yes i do, i;m sure he wasn't just ban on this only right??
cause i'm sure alot of people view cheat sites everyday to see whats going on out there, i know i do, but i wouldn't be so stuipid to buy a kiddie cheat specially from a noob name lowhertz lol

(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gifti.me%2Fi%2Fvngp26.gif&hash=1eb490f0c2e060f8fea2e6eedc93538e)
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Spanky on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:04:59 PM
Are you for real dude. Yes please, do give me ur banking or CC info.
Banking login info does nothing like I said. They don't display full account numbers nor do they allow you to transfer money outside of your bank. My point is, who is stupid enough to have a text document with their credit card info in it, let alone to have it OPEN.

That SS you posted is a perfect example why this is wrong.

Sure your example is good in how it caught a hacker but that is likely slim. My bet is there are thousands of screen caps of people on facebook, personal pics, personal info and so on.
Yea, I've seen screen caps of Facebook. So what? If you don't want a certain picture public, don't upload it to Facebook. Assist would be the least of your issues at that point. The screenshot I posted is an example of why this works and why it's a good thing. I have never seen a screenshot with true personal info on it, Facebook pictures don't count.

AND what do u mean they are not stored ANYWHERE? Why are they even taken then, how did u get that one? That doesnt make sense in the slightest.
They aren't stored anywhere permanently. We have a handfull on Dropbox that show a record of proof for bans, that's about it.


yes i do, i;m sure he wasn't just ban on this only right??
This was one of a few screenshots. See the little uB down at the bottom? That's the UnrealBot. Picture shows him running the UnrealBot and viewing a page on how to use it. That's proof enough for me.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: zoxee on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:05:39 PM
damn, i'm running out of Popcorn..
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:10:07 PM

Banking login info does nothing like I said. They don't display full account numbers nor do they allow you to transfer money outside of your bank. My point is, who is stupid enough to have a text document with their credit card info in it, let alone to have it OPEN.
My bet is there are thousands of screen caps of people on facebook, personal pics, personal info and so on.
Yea, I've seen screen caps of Facebook. So what? If you don't want a certain picture public, don't upload it to Facebook. Assist would be the least of your issues at that point. The screenshot I posted is an example of why this works and why it's a good thing.
They aren't stored anywhere permanently. We have a handfull on Dropbox that show a record of proof for bans, that's about it.

This was one of a few screenshots. See the little uB down at the bottom? That's the UnrealBot. Picture shows him running the UnrealBot and viewing a page on how to use it. That's proof enough for me.


You seriously lack logic or just trying to minimize a major issue.


Do I save that type of stuff in note pad, no, and that is completely irrelevant.

SOMEONE might.


Here is an example since you simple minded trolls cant seem to think of a single one out of endless possibilities.




12 year old playing aa.

Closes game, leaves assist open.

O wait, its not his comp. his mom has her banking info on a note pad.

Done and done. Their are literally endless other possibilities that could leave things open.

Conversions on face book, again so on and so forth.



Once again, absolutely blown away I have to spell this out for you people. Feels like im walking a toddler through calculus

And spanky, YOU guys are the admins and these didnt even cross your minds? Scary.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: bollie on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:15:35 PM
Haha dave ur paranoid  :D


And zoxee I made a fresh batch of popcorn! Im having fun in here  :cool:
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ELiZ on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:16:49 PM
Typical valueless fanboy replies b1tching about people pointing out flaws and bringing up concerns. Yall need to get a grip. Your completely missing the point of my post and replying with nothing but condescending bullsh1t as per the norm.

My point is - SS should be taken of INGAME. Not all the time of all the pc because Assist it open.



Does PB do this? Does ANY OTHER game take ss of your computer and NOT the game? I highly doubt it.


My point is - SS should be taken of INGAME. Not all the time of all the pc because Assist it open.

If you have looked at as many PB SS that I've have, you'll known that it was quite common that Images was also taken outside of the game, showing off the desktop or whatever they were looking at..

So in that regard the PB version of SS is not different than ours,
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: zoxee on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:17:53 PM
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Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Spanky on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:18:18 PM
you simple minded trolls
We're calling people names now? Neat. You're a self-centered dumbfuck who feels his opinion is fact when in reality you just find something to bitch about to make yourself feel better.




Even if we had screenshots with personal info (which I've not seen), they are not saved on a server or available for public viewing. You're making the leap to say we're untrustable and while many have said that we are, history proves that we have not done anything malicious.

If you want to further your conspiracy theory, you might want to suggest we log passwords and since most people use the same password, we get in and read people's emails and buy pillows with embroidered dicks on them.




Again, it's really really simple. I made the TOS to describe what Assist does because people raged about it doing things without their knowledge. The whole point of the TOS is for you to agree/disagree. Seems like you disagree but can't seem to uninstall Assist. Shall I ban you again to help you out?
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:19:27 PM
If you have looked at as many PB SS that I've have, you'll known that it was quite common that Images was also taken outside of the game, showing off the desktop or whatever they were looking at..

So in that regard the PB version of SS is not different than ours,



This sounds like bs. When AA was still "official" PB images were available to the public. And do you think PB was taking SS of peoples desktops and various other activities other than strictly the game? I not once saw anything other than in game pics, and of course corrupted and all black ones.




Would you be ok with these images being available to the public? If the answer is no they shouldnt be taken.

Infact, would that be best...that all players could sweep through SS of in game so they could inspect players as it did in the past?
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: bollie on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:21:27 PM
You're a self-centered dumbfuck who feels his opinion is fact when in reality you just find something to bitch about to make yourself feel better.

Quoted for truth
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:23:26 PM
Its not my opinion, IT IS FACT!

And you proved it with that ss lol. I hadnt seen any before but yes. That is wrong.

Highly doubt any other game or reputable anticheat does this. - take images of your computer completely outside the game, not even with the game open.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:26:30 PM
We're calling people names now? Neat. You're a self-centered dumbfuck who feels his opinion is fact when in reality you just find something to bitch about to make yourself feel better.




Even if we had screenshots with personal info (which I've not seen), they are not saved on a server or available for public viewing. You're making the leap to say we're untrustable and while many have said that we are, history proves that we have not done anything malicious.

If you want to further your conspiracy theory, you might want to suggest we log passwords and since most people use the same password, we get in and read people's emails and buy pillows with embroidered dicks on them.




Again, it's really really simple. I made the TOS to describe what Assist does because people raged about it doing things without their knowledge. The whole point of the TOS is for you to agree/disagree. Seems like you disagree but can't seem to uninstall Assist. Shall I ban you again to help you out?




And your a condescending, power abusing, privacy breaching, horrible excuse for an admin.

At least I wish the best for the community and worry about peoples privacy and safety. Here I am pointing out completely valid concerns and you try and say they are wrong. Yet you post evidence of the power that can be miss used.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: bollie on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:26:42 PM
Haha carry on Dave, ur good fun!
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: bollie on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:28:07 PM
Oh and TWL made ss outside the game. Never heared anybody moaning about that
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:29:22 PM
Eliz knows how to conduct himself as a respectful professional admin.

While spanky is in here tossing names around pulling his usual stuff.

Its disgusting where this game has gone and the people who have been appointed power.

People like spanky should be doing work merely behind the scenes - if at all. Because he clearly cant manage to maintain a proper, fair, respectful conduct. You just shoot down raised concerned, name calling and so on.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:30:19 PM
Oh and TWL made ss outside the game. Never heared anybody moaning about that


Im sure if people knew theyd be angry. TWL is also quite diff. That is competitive players only. AND that cdc or what ever it was called would only be ran during matches, not any time u play / regularly left open.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Vanoke on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:31:58 PM
Untill now 11-10-2013 i have nobuddy seeing writing here that ther bankaccount is robbed that is saying summthing about the people behind this game N.P.
But if its leagle to do this SS for the higherhack level is and when its maybe possible to get personal info about the user on the computer from the player is questionable. :?
So in all human situation is trust the biggest gamer.
We had the exemple J. and the protection reaction was good. :lock:
So to end for me is : nothing happend last 2 years. only good game play. :cool:
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:34:31 PM
Untill now 11-10-2013 i have nobuddy seeing writing here that ther bankaccount is robbed that is saying summthing about the people behind this game N.P.
But if its leagle to do this SS for the higherhack level is and when its maybe possible to get personal info about the user on the computer from the player is questionable.
So in all human situation is trust the biggest gamer.
We had the exemple J. and the protection reaction was good.
So to end for me is : nothing happend last 2 years. only good game play.


Once again. 100% beside the point.

The possibility stands. and again, not only available to those who currently have access to it....BUT if it got hacked or compromised in any way.

It also hasnt been 2 years. IIRC this was rolled out like 5 months ago?
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: bollie on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:34:57 PM

Im sure if people knew theyd be angry. TWL is also quite diff. That is competitive players only. AND that cdc or what ever it was called would only be ran during matches, not any time u play / regularly left open.

Not anybody i know was aware of that.  thats how they catched the cheating bastards.
In my opinion a good thing.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:36:42 PM
Not anybody i know was aware of that.  thats how they catched the cheating bastards.
In my opinion a good thing.

As stated it CAN be a good thing.

Do you have a wife, mother, gf?

Imagine u left assist open or she accidentally opened it? Your away on visiting family in a town an hr away and spending a few nights there. You have skype sex.

They now got various SS of you and your gf naked.

Just 1 other possibility LITERALLY ENDLESS possibilities
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: zoxee on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:37:33 PM
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2F2v94xs7.jpg&hash=b5f4f6c7c1ddbd643b683e6a782df102)
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:41:00 PM
Wick and bollie your both on the same brain power as that ganja kid.

COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT AND ISSUE AT HAND

Wrong again I completely understand what you're stating , though I don't agree with this whole ss deal, I really don't care about it, like I stated before my computer use is  strictly for gaming, so I can careless how many ss it takes while I'm tabbed out, I'll make sure it's something interesting

You're not going to win this dav, except it or uninstall
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: bollie on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:42:55 PM
As stated it CAN be a good thing.

Do you have a wife, mother, gf?

Imagine u left assist open or she accidentally opened it? Your away on visiting family in a town an hr away and spending a few nights there. You have skype sex.

They now got various SS of you and your gf naked.

Just 1 other possibility

Hmm no my wife dont like cyberporn...
And i don't want to think about my mother!

No but seriously,  I understand what ur trying to say. But this feature is active now to catch cheaters and not to collect amy othet data. Maybe it allready happened, but hey I trust these guys more than I trust any government with any data.... and they spy on everything.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:45:12 PM
Wrong again I completely understand what you're stating , though I don't agree with this whole ss deal, I really don't care about it, like I stated before my computer use is  strictly for gaming, so I can careless how many ss it takes while I'm tabbed out, I'll make sure it's something interesting

You're not going to win this dav, except it or uninstall


Obviously I myself will not win but this should be clearly pointed out to people, not obscurely mentioned in the TOS.

It should only take SS of the game, or at very least take SS only while army ops is running.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:48:03 PM
Hmm no my wife dont like cyberporn...
And i don't want to think about my mother!

No but seriously,  I understand what ur trying to say. But this feature is active now to catch cheaters and not to collect amy othet data. Maybe it allready happened, but hey I trust these guys more than I trust any government with any data.... and they spy on everything.

If assist is gathering this info, its available to the NSA.

Obviously the intention is cheaters but it IS gathering your data.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: zoxee on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:51:19 PM
If assist is gathering this info, its available to the NSA.

omg... do you really think the NSA cares about a microbe like you ?
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:52:28 PM
Here is another scenario.

AA player is a bit older, has a 15 year old daughter.

AA player leaves assist open after leaving server and going to bed. Daughter has webcam sex with bf on skype.

Assist has now made multiple child pornography images. Congratz, you have literally just commited many crimes of producing child pornography, distributing child pornography, and if that ever happened I could only imagine the outcome.






Again, this is me looking out for the people, and the game. This could backfire on the admins, or any player. It leaves wayyyyy too many open possiblities
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:54:45 PM

Obviously I myself will not win but this should be clearly pointed out to people, not obscurely mentioned in the TOS.

It should only take SS of the game, or at very least take SS only while army ops is running.

I agree I'm sure there are alot of players that feel this way, but accepted it the way it is,
I wouldn't be playing if I was worried about my privacy being invaded or my data be compromised .

1 good point u brought up about was about Skype sex or being idled or just having assist running in background
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:54:57 PM
omg... do you really think the NSA cares about a microbe like you ?


Hey we found another troll!


I did not bring up the NSA. I am not american.

Way to be another air headed valueless contributor to this thread. You are strong in numbers.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 20:57:36 PM
I agree I'm sure there are alot of players that feel this way, but accepted it the way it is,
I wouldn't be playing if I was worried about my privacy being invaded or my data be compromised .

1 good point u brought up about was about Skype sex or being idled or just having assist running in background



My point is there are ENDLESS possibilities why this shouldn't be. And ONLY 1 of why its valid.

AND its stunning that I need to spell out these scenarios for you people. Thats the sad part most people dont read it, and most who do dont put 1 and 2 together and realize its taking SS of whole comp and anything on screen.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 21:01:00 PM
Someone could even intentionally leave assist open effectively forcing it to take screen caps of illegal content. - perhaps someones daughter was checking themselves out on webcam, or taking pics for a bf? - as the stated event


They tip off authorities they think this so call Assist program has taken pics of their under age daughter and is being hosted online.



Now imagine that was REAL and they got hacked or something and it ended up getting spread on the net?
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 21:03:07 PM
Perhaps you or a family member is filing taxes online?

Oh, there goes your SIN ( canada ) or social insurance number and financial info.




Need I go on?
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ELiZ on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 21:14:35 PM
Hurry, before it sells out....
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

Seriously, you seem to have a faulty impression on when and how we take SS.
And I can guarantee that some of the 2 000 000+ PBSS I've inspected, I've seen plenty of off game images.


Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: bollie on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 21:23:16 PM
Haha nice hat Eliz
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Possessed on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 21:23:25 PM
Hurry, before it sells out....
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

Seriously, you seem to have a faulty impression on when and how we take SS.
And I can guarantee that some of the 2 000 000+ PBSS I've inspected, I've seen plenty of off game images.
ELIZ Created the PBSS Colector..

omg... do you really think the NSA cares about a microbe like you ?
Holy Shit LOL!

Easy, if you don't agree, don't use it.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 21:32:05 PM
Hurry, before it sells out....
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

Seriously, you seem to have a faulty impression on when and how we take SS.
And I can guarantee that some of the 2 000 000+ PBSS I've inspected, I've seen plenty of off game images.

Man your throwing around grantees with some made up numbers? cmon dude.

Even viewing 2million pictures would take 23 days if you managed to have it on a slide show flicking a new one EVERY SECOND! - somehow didnt need to sleep or blink or eat or nada!

Lets also assume you are human and sleep, and work, and eat, and various other activities, lets also assume, and HOPE you "inspect" screen shots for longer than 1 second.

Perhaps you slightly exaggerated? lul ;)
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ELiZ on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 21:38:07 PM
Accually it was a low estimate.

Google PBSScollector and you'll see that it was an automated download and detection system for PBSS.
I also manually inspected all the PBSS, perhaps just glancing on each, but enough to notice visual cheats, and also see that the image I'm looking at was the game/Desktop or web browser

Not my video, but should be an indicator on how it worked.

[youtube]Cc6XM6up9P0[/youtube]
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 21:42:19 PM
Accually it was a low estimate.

Google PBSScollector and you'll see that it was an automated download and detection system for PBSS.
I also manually inspected all the PBSS, perhaps just glancing on each, but enough to notice visual cheats, and also see that the image I'm looking at was the game/Desktop or web browser

Not my video, but should be an indicator on how it worked.

[youtube]Cc6XM6up9P0[/youtube]



OHHHHH so you meant to say you know of a program that has SCANNED over 2 million screenshots.

Not you, yourself. Thats quite a bit more believable.

I also personally see quite a difference in the definition of INSPECTED and briefly glanced at or has appeared on my screen.

That is nit picking tho.



Can you give me a single example of a pb ss showing the desktop or something other than ingame? I never saw it and cant believe PB or a reputable company or game would be harvesting that kind of info and leaving these kinds of gaps and possibilities for errors as i mentioned before. - by taking screenshots of anything other than the game itself.


There is also the fact that PB was never a real full screenshot generally scaled way down and cropped.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Spanky on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 21:45:48 PM
And your a condescending, power abusing, privacy breaching, horrible excuse for an admin.
That would be "you're". That's just your perspective. If I was truly power abusing, you would still be banned. I've done more benefit for this community than you could ever hope for and that's not being arrogant and I'm not talking about maps.

At least I wish the best for the community
I don't? Hmm. Seems to me that without this community, Assist would be pointless.

Yet you post evidence of the power that can be miss used.
Keyword is can. Hasn't happened in the last 5+ years, why would you think that would change?

Eliz knows how to conduct himself as a respectful professional admin.
Respect: you gotta give it to get it.

Its disgusting where this game has gone
I agree. There's too much democracy in Assist where an asshole such as yourself is allowed to play.

People like spanky should be doing work merely behind the scenes - if at all. Because he clearly cant manage to maintain a proper, fair, respectful conduct. You just shoot down raised concerned, name calling and so on.
If by behind the scenes, you mean stay off this forum, that won't happen. See, I do actually help people. Check below my name, 40 internetz. That means people agree or thank me. Look at yourself, -21 internetz. I don't think people agree with you much. I am quite fair actually and I'm sure the other admins agree. I am respectful to those that warrant and give respect. If someone comes on here complaining or someone can't read the text on the homepage, they don't really deserve my time now do they? Except you :) This is amusing. As for the name calling, you instigated it.

Im sure if people knew theyd be angry.
You have stumbled across the whole point of the TOS.

Once again. 100% beside the point.

The possibility stands. and again, not only available to those who currently have access to it....BUT if it got hacked or compromised in any way.

It also hasnt been 2 years. IIRC this was rolled out like 5 months ago?
It's not beside the point, it's a valid counter-argument. The possiblity also stands for Facebook to sell your information or for someone to break into your home or someone to hack into your computer. The possibility of privacy breach is ALWAYS there. That's life. Too many people complain about privacy. If you want to be private, go live in the woods and have no contact with people. Next people will complain that their neighbors know where they live... Jesus.

Assist has been around for over 5 years and thus we could have harvested info years ago and stolen identities. Guess what? That's not the goal of the project.




Perhaps it's time to feed a little fact to poor misinformed Dav3; screenshots aren't automatic. They're only taken if someone is suspicious, to gather further proof.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 21:55:04 PM

Perhaps it's time to feed a little fact to poor misinformed Dav3; screenshots aren't automatic. They're only taken if someone is suspicious, to gather further proof.


That is the most useful piece of info I have ever seen you post.

Why would u not just have said that outright in ur 1st reply instead of keeping with ur regular bs and letting this banter continue?










Gawwddd and to compare the forum "internez" LOL yea, u got fanboys ill give u that much.

Your account is also from 09, with nearly 8,000 posts. On top of being an admin and having fan boys.

That should actually say A LOT about your contributions. you have posted nearly 8,000 times and only 40 have been intentionally deemed useful. Those are not numbers I would be bragging about.


Where as of course I have negative. Most my posts are asking for improvement and pointing out issues, and assist is seemingly administered by a team that doenst like to hear anything negative, and has a team of internet trolls backing them up lol. Id also be willing to bet at very least half my negatives have been from you.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ELiZ on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 22:03:28 PM
By that account you would, if you have posted ~8000 times, would have -603
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ELiZ on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 22:07:19 PM
Can you give me a single example of a pb ss showing the desktop or something other than ingame? I never saw it and cant believe PB or a reputable company or game would be harvesting that kind of info and leaving these kinds of gaps and possibilities for errors as i mentioned before. - by taking screenshots of anything other than the game itself.


Here is one:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/247/pb001978av5.png/


I'm sure that I could find more online if I put some effort into it.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 22:09:58 PM
By that account you would, if you have posted ~8000 times, would have -603



By comparing the two, and foolishly ignoring many biased previously mentioned variables. Yea, sure....

 :wanker:


LOL man you people are hilarious
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 22:12:48 PM

Here is one:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/247/pb001978av5.png/


I'm sure that I could find more online if I put some effort into it.



Thats shocking to be honest.

The difference still stands. Im still guessing aao was at very least open and minimized? Notice how it lists a server and map so on....?
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Spanky on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 22:14:14 PM
That is the most useful piece of info I have ever seen you post.

Why would u not just have said that outright in ur 1st reply instead of keeping with ur regular bs and letting this banter continue?
1. To make you rage about our abusive powers and privacy infringement.
2. It's still irrelevant. We COULD abuse the system. Course, now you seem to have changed your mind about that...

Gawwddd and to compare the forum "internez" LOL yea, u got fanboys ill give u that much.

Your account is also from 09, with nearly 8,000 posts. On top of being an admin and having fan boys.

That should actually say A LOT about your contributions. you have posted nearly 8,000 times and only 40 have been intentionally deemed useful. Those are not numbers I would be bragging about.


Where as of course I have negative. Most my posts are asking for improvement and pointing out issues, and assist is seemingly administered by a team that doenst like to hear anything negative, and has a team of internet trolls backing them up lol. Id also be willing to bet at very least half my negatives have been from you.
Ratio of internetz to posts doesn't matter a whole lot really. It just shows that I'm more helpful than you. Pity. I also did have higher internetz but went through the whole "hurr durr let's troll the community" phase and then lent my account to someone else that did the same. Pretty sure I had triple-digits before too. For such few posts, you sure are negative. I might have voted once or twice but most of those negatives you have are from the community who do what they want. I have no influence on them and I can't point out a single one that kisses my ass 100% of the time. Course, there's people that agree with me, that doesn't mean they are fanboys or devoted to me. There's not many people on here that I talk to outside this forum. I could count them on 1 hand and have enough digits left to give a peace sign.

Thats shocking to be honest.
It's shocking to you because you're wrong and here you thought you were right 100% of the time.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: world- on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 22:47:58 PM
Detroit is beating Oakland 3-0

Oh and btw I agree with Dav, if your not running the game a SS shouldn't be taken. Even if you do it on a "wim" thinking someone cheats. I would call that an abuse of power. If you can't catch them while AA is up and running then Oh well.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ELiZ on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 23:26:16 PM
Active PBSS for AA3:

Take notice, not suitable for underage viewing:
http://176.57.184.38/176.57.184.38-8777/pb000586.png
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ELiZ on Friday, October 11, 2013, 00:22:34 AM
I scan though the 18000 PBSS active for AA3

These is the one I could find that show non game content:

(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstorage4.screenshots.gametracker.com%2Fscreenshots%2F20582%2F95424c30d08c004fb4a15a0d4f4d208b.png&hash=ccfc7207611c3a631ae05da86fb88ad8)
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstorage4.screenshots.gametracker.com%2Fscreenshots%2F20582%2Fc43c8d410044f61f5223551a0c2399c4.png&hash=3ef2407d6adee0a30202c0ee636c9e54)
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F208.115.243.116%2F8777%2Fpb000249.png&hash=81a402e7caafe345973f866b8431d7ec)
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F217.163.31.230%2F217.163.31.230%2Fpb002533.png&hash=e75d0acd108b6b992177cb70b9e94db0)
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F217.163.31.230%2F217.163.31.230%2Fpb002506.png&hash=40d3e589a5e6ff1c5d4b7a8eb0ad4a32)
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F217.163.31.230%2F217.163.31.230%2Fpb002483.png&hash=dffdcf70f0d5884c178543bd79607c7e)
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F217.163.31.230%2F217.163.31.230%2Fpb001531.png&hash=ba6ad59159aa5e7ea9ce8fd3622e3b93)
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstorage3.screenshots.gametracker.com%2Fscreenshots%2F14799%2Fc9d275e4d605eb9b5828fac6ef3c07ef.png&hash=2bc28a598dc42dfccda65613a6c3f231)
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F208.115.243.116%2F8777%2Fpb001781.png&hash=6aa07d24b0c9a131364b7d4f17afd2fb)
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F208.115.243.116%2F8777%2Fpb001613.png&hash=e4ae011ca24706319197763c396351fe)
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ELiZ on Friday, October 11, 2013, 00:23:31 AM
The above pictures might get overwritten, but hopefully I get my point over
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Yahoo on Friday, October 11, 2013, 00:43:21 AM
That's one of the reasons why i quit assist i didn't accept the terms, and you should do the same Dav3, i'm not willing to let some my personal stuff in strange hands, not because i have anything to hide, it's just because privicy it's a right of yours and it's wrong to let anyone jeopardise it.

And by the way you can't compare assist to the another versions of America's Army, those are supported and in case of leak you know what door should knock, here it's quite different. Back in the day, who played in TWL, knew (should know) what CDC did but only the ones who accept it played. So word of advice Dav3, if you wanna play in assist you have to allow them to do their checks if you don't just unninstal it, it's like if you wanna get into their home you need to take your shoes off.

Finally, what would be AA without the drama? (Rhetorical question). :cool:

 
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Rapture on Friday, October 11, 2013, 00:54:16 AM
i agree with yahoo on this specific thing. if u dont like it, dont install it. that simple. its not hard to understand that concept or is it Dav3?
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: alechko1 on Friday, October 11, 2013, 03:05:26 AM
1. To make you rage about our abusive powers and privacy infringement.
2. It's still irrelevant. We COULD abuse the system. Course, now you seem to have changed your mind about that...
Ratio of internetz to posts doesn't matter a whole lot really. It just shows that I'm more helpful than you. Pity. I also did have higher internetz but went through the whole "hurr durr let's troll the community" phase and then lent my account to someone else that did the same. Pretty sure I had triple-digits before too. For such few posts, you sure are negative. I might have voted once or twice but most of those negatives you have are from the community who do what they want. I have no influence on them and I can't point out a single one that kisses my ass 100% of the time. Course, there's people that agree with me, that doesn't mean they are fanboys or devoted to me. There's not many people on here that I talk to outside this forum. I could count them on 1 hand and have enough digits left to give a peace sign.
It's shocking to you because you're wrong and here you thought you were right 100% of the time.

Internetz are meaningless in this community. There a many people coming here, posting one or two posts requesting for help and get more negative interenze than their post count. There are people here who all they are trying to do is to help other people, and have never abused no one (like Merlin for example) and have many negative internetz. I think that about 90% of the memebers here have negative internetz regardless of how much they are trying to help.

And Spanky, if we will recall your "troll the community" period, you had 66 internz back then and you didn't lose a single one in that period. Actually you have lost 27 internetz (and counting) since you actually came back here to HELP and work very hard to keep this project alive.

It already have been told by many- this community sucks.

P.S.
And no, I want uninstall or leave- I love the game and love the drama
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Friday, October 11, 2013, 04:22:44 AM
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR0Z_0pPcx3rCHlradn-hU2hD2ksXHvMfwRCgA-GjkMNV3uJ5zXhQ)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2rqftba&s=6#.Ule1RlDIbcg
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2w2oo43&s=6#.Ule1QVDIbcg
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Ganja on Friday, October 11, 2013, 04:43:10 AM
I hope this community never dies. I love these forums too much <3

Oops I'm a troll, I didn't give a valid argument about daves problem agreeing with the TOS.

Btw Dave is your real name? Don't you feel like your privacy is broken when people know your name? :/

I hope you wake up soon, so we'll hear from ya. I mean 'you' not 'ya', sorry for my bad english
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: zoxee on Friday, October 11, 2013, 08:10:03 AM
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR0Z_0pPcx3rCHlradn-hU2hD2ksXHvMfwRCgA-GjkMNV3uJ5zXhQ)

You learn quick, my young marketing Padovan  ;)
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: pit-23 on Friday, October 11, 2013, 08:21:53 AM
If you have looked at as many PB SS that I've have, you'll known that it was quite common that Images was also taken outside of the game, showing off the desktop or whatever they were looking at..

So in that regard the PB version of SS is not different than ours,

PB did this occassionally due to bug, not intentions...
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: DwightSchrute on Friday, October 11, 2013, 11:32:42 AM
Just...return black screens Dav3? problem solved.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Friday, October 11, 2013, 11:41:28 AM
Fuck your minus internetz you no life losers.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: pit-23 on Friday, October 11, 2013, 11:53:37 AM
Fuck your minus internetz you no life losers.

Oh, yeah, you dont care about this at all...
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Friday, October 11, 2013, 11:53:50 AM
Just...return black screens Dav3? problem solved.

Im sure there are multiple ways to circumvent the system. Maybe even direct the shots to be taken off a secondary display - ie people with more than 1 monitor. But its beside the point.

I will obviously be closing assist unless im strictly playing.

It is nice to know it isnt taking rampant ss of everyone's stuff all the time and is APPARENTLY more of an on demand thing targeted toward "suspicious" players. ( should have been mentioned by an admin in their 1st reply - but hey we have seen their ways, they would rather see drama than pass on reassuring information and treat the community with respect )

- But even that being said it as it stands its still quite sketchy and with what they have said, if your a good player your prolly gona be effectively spied on. IF you leave assist open.




I still feel this needs to be changed so that at the very least army ops needs to be running - NOT just assist.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Spanky on Friday, October 11, 2013, 12:27:58 PM
but hey we have seen their ways, they would rather see drama than pass on reassuring information and treat the community with respect

No no, it's just you I don't respect, not the whole community.


Also, this is just a way we know how to detect hacks. Sure, there's better ways but I don't see anybody helping out.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Friday, October 11, 2013, 12:52:02 PM
I have a dumb question about all this ss, being players run windows 8 and produces pink ss, is that the same that would happen If and when you're system takes screen shots while tabbed out????
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Spanky on Friday, October 11, 2013, 13:40:04 PM
No. The screenshot I posted earlier is on Windows 8. There's no start menu :)
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: RyanVDA on Friday, October 11, 2013, 14:32:44 PM
damn i wonder how many times spanky busted me watchin some porno inbetween sets
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Spanky on Friday, October 11, 2013, 14:51:34 PM
damn i wonder how many times spanky busted me watchin some porno inbetween sets
You weren't the only thing that got busted.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Friday, October 11, 2013, 15:51:02 PM
No. The screenshot I posted earlier is on Windows 8. There's no start menu :)
or caught u jerking off lol
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: KARI-30 on Friday, October 11, 2013, 15:51:28 PM
That assist is making screenshots is a good thing. However in my opinion it should stop making screenshots when Armyops.exe is not running or has been closed more than 15 minutes ago. Or when your auth slot is not open.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Rob_LD on Friday, October 11, 2013, 16:23:42 PM
@Rapture
But the concept is as easy as it is fatal.
See the stats how many people quit with Assist after this trojan features got public.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: DwightSchrute on Friday, October 11, 2013, 16:26:10 PM
Not going to argue on when the "AC" should take screens but the logic "why can't we spy on you, got something to hide?" is the typical american logic, where human rights and privacy don't really exist anymore. It was the exact same logic when there was the "trojaned" Assist version, where admins and devs clearly stated that if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't worry about them browsing your PC, because they wouldn't find anything right?

And of course, if you don't like what they do, don't install Assist, simple.

Also, the "fix" to take screenshots only when in game is very easy and there are multiple ways to go about it, which pretty much tells you that they want to take screens while out of game.

#deal_with_it
or
#uninstall
or
#you_know
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Spanky on Friday, October 11, 2013, 17:22:39 PM
Not going to argue on when the "AC" should take screens but the logic "why can't we spy on you, got something to hide?" is the typical american logic, where human rights and privacy don't really exist anymore.
#paranoidprivacy
Like I said, nobody has true privacy unless you live out in the woods and have no social contacts. OMG YOUR FRIENDS KNOW YOUR PHONE NUMBER, YOUR NEIGHBOR KNOWS WHERE YOU LIVE OMG OMG BETTER SUE THEM.

Also, the "fix" to take screenshots only when in game is very easy and there are multiple ways to go about it, which pretty much tells you that they want to take screens while out of game.
Yea, it could be somewhat easy to only allow captures when Assist is running but there's hacks that have no visual display so screenshots would be pointless. A decent amount of UnrealBot users were caught when Assist took a screenshot and there it is, open or on their desktop.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: DwightSchrute on Friday, October 11, 2013, 17:39:05 PM
#paranoidprivacy
Like I said, nobody has true privacy unless you live out in the woods and have no social contacts. OMG YOUR FRIENDS KNOW YOUR PHONE NUMBER, YOUR NEIGHBOR KNOWS WHERE YOU LIVE OMG OMG BETTER SUE THEM.
Yea, it could be somewhat easy to only allow captures when Assist is running but there's hacks that have no visual display so screenshots would be pointless. A decent amount of UnrealBot users were caught when Assist took a screenshot and there it is, open or on their desktop.

there we go again, typical american mentality: if you care about your privacy you'll just get labelled as another tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist.

(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F31.media.tumblr.com%2F7e5dfa0b74481478ee0953944bbc502f%2Ftumblr_mkvnfgvf081rt89d7o1_500.gif&hash=c972b3dfd22626bb26c2cf518c1b4727)

So what about you catching noobs who keep their hacks on the desktop? I recall you also caught cheaters while using the trojaned version, that right? Why don't you just install full Remote Desktop anyway at this point if your whole argument is "privacy is gone, let me browse your shit". I'm sure you'll catch many more cheaters without visuals and mouse macro users!

If you can't see how flawed your logic is then...

(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Freplygif.net%2Fi%2F189.gif&hash=a0ec9fdd6134063de4a7deefe245fcde)
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Spanky on Friday, October 11, 2013, 17:49:14 PM
It's called a compromise. Full remote access would be wrong. I do agree that screenshots could be used maliciously (only if someone had a LOT of time on their hands). Point is, they're not. If you don't trust us then feel free to uninstall.

This is what we can do for anti-cheat. Unlike you, we know nothing about coding injectable code or ways to make Assist/AA more secure. The goal isn't to invade users privacy, it's to keep AA clean. But, we're not professionals so we fail at both. What else can we do? Let hackers go and then users come here and rage at us for doing nothing?

*EDIT*
I'll also say that it's this constant complaining that really makes this work less enjoyable. We all love to work on this project but it's really disheartening when people come together to rage about your best efforts put fourth. It's like, why even bother?
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: DwightSchrute on Friday, October 11, 2013, 18:08:29 PM
It's called a compromise. Full remote access would be wrong. I do agree that screenshots could be used maliciously (only if someone had a LOT of time on their hands). Point is, they're not. If you don't trust us then feel free to uninstall.

This is what we can do for anti-cheat. Unlike you, we know nothing about coding injectable code or ways to make Assist/AA more secure. The goal isn't to invade users privacy, it's to keep AA clean. But, we're not professionals so we fail at both. What else can we do? Let hackers go and then users come here and rage at us for doing nothing?

*EDIT*
I'll also say that it's this constant complaining that really makes this work less enjoyable. We all love to work on this project but it's really disheartening when people come together to rage about your best efforts put fourth. It's like, why even bother?

Really? ELiZ is the USCRIPT programmer (didn't he also say he coded other utilities too?) while Possessed is making DLLs with aimbot in it and you tell me you have no idea about coding? Must be either some bad or ironic joke...

And no, I'm not "raging" nor complaining because if you check my first post in this thread I clearly said that if Dav3 or whoever has a problem with it to either deal with it or uninstall it. I was only talking about your privacy arguments.

And you can't really call them "best efforts" when there are other viable options to your latest "detections" like that file scan program you mentioned (eg.: search for "unrealbot.exe" or whatever or by md5) that are less intrusive being it handled by an automatized program.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Spanky on Friday, October 11, 2013, 18:15:10 PM
ELiZ can code UScript but it wasn't long ago you said that is easily disabled and frankly that doesn't surprise me. He had made other utilities but I don't think he's good with the code that you know, otherwise we would already have some kind of solution and he wouldn't be messing with Assist to detect hacks. As for Possessed, he might be able to code something but I have yet to see anything aside from hacks. Me? I have a hard time even compiling UScript, I know some PHP and that's about it.

As for MD5, hacks constantly update and we'd have to pay for them. As soon as a hack is updated, we'd have to push a new version of Assist. Constant and obvious cat-and-mouse.

Again, I see nothing else. Nothing we can use. So, what Assist is now, that's our best effort. I see a lot of people complaining but nobody coming forward with something we can use.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Friday, October 11, 2013, 18:41:25 PM
U know spanky as bad as this got with the ss situation as the only real way of catching these kiddie cheats, I'm all for it 10000% as I'm sure all legit players are, those that are so worried must gave something to hide,
easy solution for the paranoid players
Don't agree with these terms uninstall
Or
Don't leave the game open period, don't leave the game running period, problem solved,
What's so dam hard to understand that

Mise well lock this thread nothing is being resolved here alot of useless space on this topic

Btw spanky how many players where caught by using this method ??

Side note  ELIZ. I wasn't aware you're pb collector program was still working, pm a link where to download it, I wanna be active again at aci



Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ELiZ on Friday, October 11, 2013, 18:52:21 PM
Side note  ELIZ. I wasn't aware you're pb collector program was still working, pm a link where to download it, I wanna be active again at aci

Sure

http://www.anticheatinc.net/forums/showthread.php?t=84842

You have to be logged in to see the download link.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Friday, October 11, 2013, 19:05:39 PM
Sure

http://www.anticheatinc.net/forums/showthread.php?t=84842

You have to be logged in to see the download link.

Thank you
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Possessed on Friday, October 11, 2013, 19:37:58 PM
why does Willian Harris bothers about 25Assist ac methods, when he is building hes own AA2 shit with Pit 23?
fuck off and get out.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Possessed on Friday, October 11, 2013, 19:40:48 PM
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http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2rqftba&s=6#.Ule1RlDIbcg
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2w2oo43&s=6#.Ule1QVDIbcg
Red Tube dot Com :) and Vid name must be something like: Russian Mom fks with her son and his friend :)
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Friday, October 11, 2013, 19:52:43 PM
why does Willian Harris bothers about 25Assist ac methods, when he is building hes own AA2 shit with Pit 23?
fuck off and get out.

If any truth to that, anyone that follows or plays on it has to be a complete fucking moron and have there head examine

So good luck to any moron follows pit
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: world- on Friday, October 11, 2013, 20:22:16 PM
I'll also say that it's this constant complaining that really makes this work less enjoyable. We all love to work on this project but it's really disheartening when people come together to rage about your best efforts put fourth. It's like, why even bother?

I check these forums a lot but as you can see I usually don't post.

I for one am very happy for the work the Assist crew does, I have played this game almost from the start and was very sad to see it dropped by the army. You can never please everyone in a multiplayer game as I'm sure you know.

Personally I know nothing about AC or coding, I just play the game. We have always had to put up with cheaters in this or most games we all play, that's just how life is, you will always have that minority of people that will do anything to feel loved by the community or get into the best clans for playing "unreal". Yes it sucks to play against them, yes you just wanna put your fist through their monitor and punch them straight in the face but you can't. I usually just switch servers or just take a break from the game. I understand that the player base is so small now that it really does have more of an impact than it used too as now there may only be one server with people in it.

I am glad you care enough for the people and the game to try and implement an AC tool and do your best to catch these losers. I am however wondering if this is the best way as it is very (or could be) invasive to personal files and such. Even as you say no one is using the info in anyway besides being banned for "found cheats". Like I said I can't code so I can give no help or better solution to the problem besides only taking SS while Armyops is running. Sometimes in life you just have to deal with it as life isn't always fair. Over the years having been in and played with some of the top clans in this game I have personally know many cheaters. I still know a few that still play this game, I just deal with it as I know it's not really "them" beating me.

Anyway that's my 2 cents, thanks
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: bollie on Friday, October 11, 2013, 20:50:07 PM
why does Willian Harris bothers about 25Assist ac methods, when he is building hes own AA2 shit with Pit 23?
fuck off and get out.

Ah cheaters heaven... that will be a crowded place im sure
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Friday, October 11, 2013, 21:09:21 PM
Ah cheaters heaven... that will be a crowded place im sure

What would be so fun cheaters against cheaters??  Lol fighting who makes the best kiddie cheat lol
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Spanky on Friday, October 11, 2013, 21:20:28 PM
Do you guys think this warrants a public vote? As usual, we'll do what the majority wants (within reason).
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: bollie on Friday, October 11, 2013, 21:31:01 PM
Do you guys think this warrants a public vote? As usual, we'll do what the majority wants (within reason).

Mmmm not for me
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Friday, October 11, 2013, 22:50:45 PM
Do you guys think this warrants a public vote? As usual, we'll do what the majority wants (within reason).

Ok start a poll on getting rid of pit and hertz from forums for good, we know how the results will end up :-)
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Dav3 on Saturday, October 12, 2013, 04:03:57 AM
Pretty pathetic I was flamed by the majority, including multiple admins  - for once again bringing up a concern that is shared by many.

Give it enough time, and here we are on page 8. People with an actual head on their shoulders and common sense chime in and people actually start to look at this in depth and realistically.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Rapture on Saturday, October 12, 2013, 04:31:24 AM
Do you guys think this warrants a public vote? As usual, we'll do what the majority wants (within reason).

i agree. should there be a vote? i mean u guys are so worried about these "ss". so if the votes said "take the ss out" and the game is over run by hackers then what? u quit the game and never come back because theres hackers in? i mean does someone have another way to catch hackers that everyone can agree on? this isnt to spy on your bank account numbers, the girl ur cheating on ur wife with on facebook or any other conspiracy theory. its to catch cheaters plain and simple. i notice people come here to complain without adding how to do it effectively another way. so what can be used as a effective measure against cheaters and still allow you guys to stop complaining? i see a few people complaining about it, but they obviously arent too concerned if they are still playing the game knowing these things.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Ganja on Saturday, October 12, 2013, 04:50:28 AM
yeah lets make a vote to see if this deserves a vote :D
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Spanky on Saturday, October 12, 2013, 12:55:02 PM
i notice people come here to complain without adding how to do it effectively another way.
Quoted for truth.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: Rob_LD on Saturday, October 12, 2013, 14:20:47 PM
Quote
i notice people come here to complain without adding how to do it effectively another way.
It was elucidated several times:
Don't take SS while the game is not in full screen mode.


Quote
i mean does someone have another way to catch hackers that everyone can agree on?
Strangely you are the only ones who need this way to get rid of hackers.


Quote
this isnt to spy on your bank account numbers, the girl ur cheating on ur wife with on facebook or any other conspiracy theory. its to catch cheaters plain and simple.
No one said it was made for that, but it CAN be misused for it.


BTW:
You are so blended to get rid of unclean players that you don't even notice this procedure actually kills the game.
It's Saturday evening, autumn, rainy, cold... and not even 90 people are playing this game.

Well done!
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: world- on Saturday, October 12, 2013, 15:17:03 PM
I don't care if the game is in full screen or not, as long as it's running I would then say it's ok.
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Saturday, October 12, 2013, 15:22:45 PM
I don't care if the game is in full screen or not, as long as it's running I would then say it's ok.

not to change subject didn't u use to join havoks ts??
Title: Re: Terms of service...questions and a few things that are worrysom.
Post by: world- on Saturday, October 12, 2013, 17:04:15 PM
not to change subject didn't u use to join havoks ts??

Not sure, maybe Firms, If I remember correctly you banned me from the Firm server.