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They should make me admin iam british after all =p

Of course solutions that involve tedious manual work are bad.

But hey, this shouldn't be something new to you guys. All this management of "1 account only" rule is already tons of manual work now. Just look at "can someone active my account, please" messages in shoutbox - they are appearing every day.

I wonder who caused that policy to be put into place?
Seriously though, I think what he meant was that we already have enough stuff to keep track of, adding on more stuff would be counterproductive to the game. People complain that we don't play enough but then want to give us more work to do.

If you would admit that "we don't want to do nothing about it", I would be ok (from a logic point of view).

But you have written "there's little we can do". That's an obviously false statement. I'm dissapointed to hear that from a person that is involved in math.

We don't want to do anything about it, at least not right now. We want to fix the issue, but there aren't any obvious solutions to go about doing it.
For example, forcing rules onto server admins wouldn't work because, as someone else pointed out, what would be the punishment for not enforcing said rules? We can't ban someone for not enforcing a 30 sec no spam rule, that's ridiculous. Also, the manual labor in making sure servers don't ban players permanently would be ridiculous. We'd also run the risk of punishing a clan leader and their whole clan abandoning AA, which we obvious wouldn't want.

One idea that could work would be a server blacklist. Something that, if given enough proof (and it would have to be a lot), we could put a server on the list of servers for people to avoid. That or take it a step further and disable tracking on it.

This entire discussion has one huge problem though. Most of these server issues tend to be a he said she said situation with different stories from both sides. We can't believe one player over another so most of these abuses would go unpunished or undocumented due to lack of proof.

And such statement is perfectly acceptable for me, unlike the Teddy's ("there is nothing we can do").

Of cours it's ridiculous, let's discuss only the reasonable ideas.

Here we disagree, the effort doesn't have to be large, just pay _ANY_ attention, FFS. (sorry for the explenative, but it's frustrating how many times do I have to repeat this one single fact).

Here you are being inconsistent with your actions (as assist admin(s)). Normally, when you are trying to persue some ideas that you consider "right", you accept the fact that some people may leave. Take for example the screenshotting thing, the training thing, etc, etc. So far you acted like admins that dictate the rules and it was all right.

Now, you claim to be afraid that "some" players may get annoyed and leave.

I say you are being inconsistent with yourself.

You are being inconsistent again. You banned players just because of some screenshots illustrating they have TK-ed. Why can't you use the same approach for server owners???

For the TK part, we can actually look up their stats and ROE. It's physical evidence. Who knows how one sided a screenshot of a conversation is? They could have instigated it earlier and it doesn't show the whole conversation anymore in the chat. What if we get a report of an unjust banning, yet there's no proof and the server admin claims the player was being rude and disruptive? Who knows what actually happened and even if someone did decide to take a screenshot, there's no telling if that was all that was said or done.  It's a lot flimsier. There is no inconsistency here, we have hard proof that someone went on a TKing spree or a long time, in an admin abuse case we just have words that each side said and a screenshot that may not show the whole situation.

Also, while I get what you're saying about inconsistency concerning the fear of leaving players, there will be a point where enough is enough for some players. Just because they haven't left yet doesn't mean they won't if we tighten our grip even more on previously unregulated aspects of the game.

i can't understand for the life of me pit, why you haven't been trying to do all this when you where here with assist when people did somewhat like you before all the bullshit you pulled??

people that pay for there servers have there right to do what they want on there server, assist taking that over will only shut down servers

i know if i paid for a server i would not want a outside source telling me what i can and can not do with my server i pay for

since atas left not too many kick/ban happy admins,

Teddy's ("there is nothing we can do").

If you read my post (and I believe you did, since you quoted it earlier), you'd see I wrote "there's little we can do".

What I meant by that is, that there obviously is something we could do (i.e ban someone or stop tracking their server or w/e), but we currently don't want to do it, since it might not be a fitting punishment.

there is a fact you can not ignore (and i try to give an example - i hope you will understand it because my english isn't that good):

example 1: a car seller like ford with its new mustangs are telling the consumer after they did buy one of it, that they do have to take all hichhikers with them when one is standing there.

example 2: your landlord are telling you - after you did sign the contract for the rent - that you can not take black ladies with you at your flat, nor a boy at all.

so this is the fact that you can not change something like you wish - just because you think it has to. the one who did buy a mustang will bring it back as soon as possible and the landlord would have an empty flat.

what i would like to say is that i agree that some rules are necessary - everywhere. but to much of them will bring the contrary allways. and i do repeat myself: if you really cut back the admin rights of the server owners, it would bring more troubles then positive effects. there i am sure.

and from an other point of view: as the landlord i can make rules as i like. when one is signing my contract and he is willing to follow it, i can say you should not take boys or black ladies at your flat. so can server owners do what they like to do because YOU decided to join their servers with its good or its bad things. and because he is responsible for whatever he is standing for, he can do what he likes to do.

this is the reality all over the world - and its good like it is, because YOU have to adapt the practise of it when you are a guest somewhere, not the hosts.

Normally, when you are trying to persue some ideas that you consider "right", you accept the fact that some people may leave. Take for example the screenshotting thing, the training thing, etc, etc. So far you acted like admins that dictate the rules and it was all right.
Now, you claim to be afraid that "some" players may get annoyed and leave.

True.

there will be a point where enough is enough for some players.

Wrong. AA is addictive, players will always play.
And if you dictate the right thing, they'll follow along, believe me.

Wrong. AA is addictive, players will always play.
And if you dictate the right thing, they'll follow along, believe me.

i dont believe that, sorry.