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We see how long it last, and changes needed u want them or not.

What does that even mean ?

This sounds like: I decide there must be changes, because I know everything about the game, so I don't care wheter you like it or not. Which is kinda arrogant. Correct me if I'm wrong

As far as individual server rules, the majority of them could easily be implemented globally. The majority of the ones I've seen are don't be an ass, don't spam for the first 30 seconds and stuff like that. Those should be standard rules.

I'm just thinking here in terms of ease of implementation. Remove or empty banlist periodically on Assist and let server admins present a case against a player for a ban issued by Assist admins. It's a whole lot simpler than allowing access for server admins to ban for 2 weeks wherever they see fit. What happens after the 2 weeks is up? They could just ban again. Whereas if it's more of a public witchhunt and non-biased neutral Assist admins can accept/deny the case for a ban, it's a lot simpler. Might bring more people to this website as well.

I don't like the idea of forcing a bunch of rules on server owners though.

Can't be bothered to quote so i say it again, 2 days is not enough and this wont last long... I agree with zoxxe ideas, dont worry i didnt miss any of them.


You say you played 13 maps in 2 days, well done with your achievement, but what makes me angry is your opinion to leave everything as it is as you see 2 day progress...

I don't like the idea of forcing a bunch of rules on server owners though.

Well you have forced other thinhs on ppl whither they wanted it or not.

Any way. I dont see what harm would be in, agreing in some basic simple standard rules.
No 203s in 1st 30 secs etc

To me, implementing global rules is impossible. For me, people renting a server should have complete freedom in what they want to do with it. If that includes mods, they get untracked. What would you do with servers that don't enforce certain rules, e.g. the no spam in the first 30 seconds one?

This. actually you can run 'custom' mods, but without tracking stats/honor.

That's what he said, it would get untracked.

I've refrained from writing in this thread again for a while now, but oh well.

I certainly understand people's frustration about the maps being played (which is not many different ones most of the time). I can also appreciate all the wonderful input and suggestions that have been brought up in this thread.

However, most (if not all) of the suggestions require more work for us administrators. And while we're not here just to 'idle', giving volunteers more work doesn't seem like a good idea, everyone here has a life outside the game as well.

And I'm not talking about work needed to make some of the suggestions happen (coding), but rather the day-to-day operations that are bound to come from those things.


I am also of the opinion that forcing people to play a certain way (i.e play more maps/maps they don't like) is not a good way to go. I would guess most (not all!) map whores who come online and don't see their map played would rather not play than play a map they don't know/like.

And that's why it seems to me, that like Ganja said, we're doing a decent job in advertising different maps to be played. Those who want to do it, can; others will still probably have a server on the mainstream maps. There's nothing that can be done about that.

Like has been said, implementing the same rules for all servers is next to impossible. Not to mention, different maps would require different rules. In some maps 203 spam is an issue, in others it would be dumb not to be able to shoot 203s before 30 seconds (i.e you would be able to see enemies before that time is up). Plus, like I said it would mean the Assist admins would have to 'admin' that stuff as well (make sure they're obeying the rules, punish those who don't and so on).


As for forcing people on things whether they wanted it or not, you're right in a sense. There has almost always been a vote before a change to the game/gameplay. And I'm pretty sure not one of them has come up unanimous, so there are obviously some people who didn't get what they wanted. Not to mention the fact that some of the changes were implemented before the Assist poll was introduced, thus it's possible the voters may have been biased.


I know our player base is low and it has been higher at times. But that doesn't mean radical changes would increase our player base. People just don't like change. At all. An example I always love to bring is when the devs tried to 'fix' the 'roof bug' on SF Hospital. People just came complaining and it had to be changed back. It wasn't because it was a particularly bad change (it might have been, I don't know, but that's not why people disputed it), it was that something changed and people don't like that.

Now lets all do whatever we can do bring back old or bring forth new players and let's start from ourselves when talking about map diversity. There's plenty of people talking here, but how many can really say they play as many maps as they can every day? I know I can't.

However, most (if not all) of the suggestions require more work for us administrators. And while we're not here just to 'idle', giving volunteers more work doesn't seem like a good idea, everyone here has a life outside the game as well.

If you are not willing to spend your private time on administrating, then give up your role to someone more eager and appropriate. It's that simple.

E.g. it looks like Ganja would be a good candidate. He spends 90% of his time on AA, so he would have no problem with doing admin's work.

I am also of the opinion that forcing people to play a certain way (i.e play more maps/maps they don't like) is not a good way to go. I would guess most (not all!) map whores who come online and don't see their map played would rather not play than play a map they don't know/like.

You are 100% correct, even thinking about forcing someone to play maps he doesn't like is just ridiculous.

Like has been said, implementing the same rules for all servers is next to impossible. [...]

As I already mentioned, hard rules for all servers are not necessary. Just do _anything_ about power-misusing owners, and it will be a huge step.

I'm not saying I don't want to put in the time here, I do, I want to help as much as I can. What I'm saying is, since the admin team is voluntary, the best case would be not to have too much work for them, because believe it or not, the majority of people don't want to put their time in for anything voluntarily.

Of course solutions that involve tedious manual work are bad.

But hey, this shouldn't be something new to you guys. All this management of "1 account only" rule is already tons of manual work now. Just look at "can someone active my account, please" messages in shoutbox - they are appearing every day.

As for abusive admins, as of now there's little we can do, but who knows what the future might hold.

If you would admit that "we don't want to do nothing about it", I would be ok (from a logic point of view).

But you have written "there's little we can do". That's an obviously false statement. I'm dissapointed to hear that from a person that is involved in math.