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I never said hacking is "right". I never said it is some kind solution. I never said it should be allowed. I just explained the background and I simply oppose to your idea of claiming that I'm some kind of a monster that eats AAO babies.

It's funny how you try to protect your "pro" friend. One day assist gets a much better AC than nowadays, and suddenly many of such respected "pros" will vanish. But it's nice to see that at least you can express yourself in an elegant way. But I'm not fooled by this. Not of all the hackers are a script kiddies.

So at #1, I don't see any reason for you to disagree on your ban in that case.

For #2. He's not my "pro" friend. I just analyze everything I see, and all I see is that he just plays better compared to other players. 90% of the players only got plan A and plan B, they do the same every time. When you played a few times with some players, you will see the same pattern over and over again and they become very predictable and easy to stop.

For example, if people play against me on hospital ambush, I usually take 18Z and rush fireescape to shoot 2nd floor rushers or I rush helipad. Very rarely I go underpass or hospital inside. When I'm escort I always go to the helipad boxes to shoot some people. Very rarely something else. Now almost every other player has a same pattern. When you know them you can counter them easily and get some high scores. No single hack, cheat, exploit or whatever needed to get a good score while just rushing.

I really put some effort in this because my 6th sense makes me worry about all of us since a few weeks.
Something drastically new must be done, fast, otherwise... 

PS : I agree, the progressive way appears to be the most appropriate one, under the condition
that we start fresh new with 10-20 listed OAS servers only and gradually list additional private servers
on a defined pace so the baby can grow healthy again 

The main problem I see in this approach is for the current server owners. I would like to know their opinion as well. Furthermore do we need a hierarchy of admins on the server? (some with pb_power, some with admin rights?)

But saying there can be one server per clan wouldn't work. One could argue it's not a clan server, but a server of a particular member of the clan. And then the clan can have as many servers as there are players in that clan.

Why not. A server of a clanmember, is a server for all. I don't see any problem with that. It's time to share servers. Looks ridiculous if every player has a server. All this for what? Feeling powerfull?

Why not. A server of a clanmember, is a server for all. I don't see any problem with that. It's time to share servers. Looks ridiculous if every player has a server. All this for what? Feeling powerfull?

The last part is pretty much the only reason to own a server.

How can you say that this here server belongs to a clan if they don't advertise their name on the servername? Because if they're allowed only one, they won't have their clantag on any probably.
And you can't say who's server it just by it's admins, because some servers have their friends as admins for example.

- Second, it would be received as a strong signal by everyone, sending a strong signal that
hope is out there that this game may get a part of it's past magic back soon after all.

Yes, it would send a strong signal, but the signal is not the kind that everybody would like.

The last part is pretty much the only reason to own a server.

How can you say that this here server belongs to a clan if they don't advertise their name on the servername? Because if they're allowed only one, they won't have their clantag on any probably.
And you can't say who's server it just by it's admins, because some servers have their friends as admins for example.
Yes, it would send a strong signal, but the signal is not the kind that everybody would like.

We could just delete all the servers (after warning server admins ofcourse so they stop paying) and if people want to make a server, they should come here and do a server claim.

- Why do you want a server?
- What maps are you going to put it on ?
- Are you ready to share admin powers?
- etc ..

I am one of them with few weeks ago 22 servers, now "only" 18 servers because of aa4 servers running now.

I don't understand this discussion now really. why should it taken away under the control of this admins? tell me one good reason about that, just one.

why did I setup this set of server? - because as I dis start with it, there where only servers with well known maps because they wanted to join players on its servers. so I started to make servers with maps that weren't set. so easy it is. we have now about 130 servers. I agree, to many but am I the guy who would say to another server owner "hey stop that". sure not. this is still a free game in a almost free world. and if you start to make parallels to China - good hopes are in, lol.
bad example, guess one of the most bad you could have taken.

with a big yes you do say we should play more maps. but if there are some servers up and running with almost every of the 98 maps we have its not good. I don't understand. this is going again in the wrong direction. and one thing I would like to say to you: never ever - in here on in your real life - do more thing together then you can handle. this will take not a good end. so I mean we now should start with the Sunday or Monday part. if this goes like we wish, we can do the next step.

by the way: aa4pg do have about 410 servers at the moment. around 40 are officials, the others are all private. almost the private ones are filled up. so make this discussion any sense? I give the answer to myself: NO.

again, it would be nice to get back to its original discussion - let that be for the moment with its private and "official" servers. and for me - an this is not meant as a threat - I would really stop this aa2 if it would go in this direction with "official" servers. and believe it or not, the others would follow, because you would cut them the right of independence!

only my 1 dollar

My single opinion on this whole matter is:

Yes, community only playing 1 map is bad for getting more players in
Yes, more maps should be played, and yes, assist team can help with that.
No, we should NOT interfere with server owners. I am strongly in favour of it being their choice to take a server or not, just as it is the players choice to play on what server and map they want.

The only thing we can and should do is to make it more attractive to play on other servers/maps. We should not dictate people what to do and what not, we are not parents of children playing this game.

We want people to have fun playing this game, and I think the fun would be gone if we forced people one way only.


I also think it would be an insult to server admins to take such an action. Yes there are abusive server admins around sometimes. But as we are a community, we can also join other teams, or team up with friends, ignore the abusive server, join other servers. When you have 4 friends around you can fill any server you want and I can assure you more players will join.

Radical solutions usually also give radical responses. Do not forget that, and I do not think they are worth it.


The only thing we should and will do, is to encourage others to play a different way, but enforcing them to do everything different is something I personally can not and will not do.

it is the players choice to play on what server and map they want.

There is today almost as much choice today, as there are empty spots on servers.

The only thing we can and should do is to make it more attractive to play on other servers/maps

This has already been tried over and over again, for example so much energy has been put
by some into mAAp. Today it's barely been played.

I don't get angry anymore about such words. thinking about yourself would be better ..
but thanks for the good feedback. we need exactly that to go on. good job.

Flipping over the spice and overturning other opinions then those serving your interests
is a special skill of yours, i know. But fact is fact. You may have invested much time and
money in this thing, which i praise. But you are unable or unwilling (?) to see the reality on
the ground and even consider giving up some of what you've built to help the game regenerate.
That is what i mean, and that is mean.