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Offline KARI-30

Re: The 203 disabled on hospital.
« Reply #285 on: Saturday, October 18, 2014, 20:11:31 PM »
Weird that when I asked players on the hospital server today if they like the change. The majority was against the decision and only a handful approved it. Looks like an awful lot of bridge players voted on this... And Bollie with 16 accounts :D

Offline Alex

Re: The 203 disabled on hospital.
« Reply #286 on: Saturday, October 18, 2014, 20:17:38 PM »
Weird that when I asked players on the hospital server today if they like the change. The majority was against the decision and only a handful approved it. Looks like an awful lot of bridge players voted on this... And Bollie with 16 accounts :D
That's a valid point. Perhaps those that played mostly Hospital liked the 203s. However, we don't make votes just for people that play certain maps. Maybe more people that didn't like hospital before because of the 203 will now start playing it? I don't know. Look, we simply just did what the majority wanted. Your anger is a bit misguided. Are you really going to get mad at us for simply acting on a vote? The vote wasn't even close either...

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Re: The 203 disabled on hospital.
« Reply #287 on: Saturday, October 18, 2014, 20:38:52 PM »
After all, EliZ has the power to change the game, not you

This summarizes the problem very well. Eliz became a dictator, who changes maps because he can.
Ofc, there are votes before that, but that votes are meaningless.

Offline KARI-30

Re: The 203 disabled on hospital.
« Reply #288 on: Saturday, October 18, 2014, 20:43:41 PM »
This summarizes the problem very well. Eliz became a dictator, who changes maps because he can.
Ofc, there are votes before that, but that votes are meaningless.
Same like comunism. Have you ever seen votings (elections) in comunism? :D

Offline widow

Re: The 203 disabled on hospital.
« Reply #289 on: Saturday, October 18, 2014, 21:19:17 PM »
150 ppl wanted that the map stay in original mode.. they were for the 203. whats with them?
anyway. i stop playing on hospital. i dont want to play on a stunted map. i play a bit longer on some other maps then i think about stoping to play AAO again. maybe u win some new players, but u also will loos some old players. u earn what u seed.. the next step is a vote against rpg in CSAR, or a other changing. only pistols.. no medics... dont know where they wanna go with such a extreme act. for me it became lesser interesting. AND for me spaming is not interesting. i used it, cause i had it. i also killed a lot with a IF gun. i dont need a C gun to kill. sometimes i used sniper or i also like RPK. so spaming is not the point. i used it against the hardcore camper. and they shoot out of the earth like mashrooms now. they start to play with C gun in singlemode. cause they dont need burst anymore, when there are 3 buguser on roof camping. they use pibod with singleshot. thats not the sense of this map. u can go to mountainpass or recon... anyway..for me the days on AAO are counted.CU

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Re: The 203 disabled on hospital.
« Reply #290 on: Saturday, October 18, 2014, 21:37:36 PM »
150 ppl wanted that the map stay in original mode.. they were for the 203. whats with them?

Good question. The answer is that admins do not care. Or maybe most of them care, but Eliz does not.

Eliz made a vote, Eliz implemented a change, and it is done. You get it?

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Re: The 203 disabled on hospital.
« Reply #291 on: Saturday, October 18, 2014, 21:47:29 PM »
widow, that's great that you don't like spamming. I wish many more players were like you. The sad fact is, many players do spam to get cheap kills without any skill. That is the problem we are trying to address. The simplest way to do that is to remove the weapon that can be spammed. That is a solution, and the one being used right now but it's not the best solution. Personally, I would like to see global spam settings that prevent grenade/203 spam for 15-20 seconds at round start (maybe longer, we have to test).

We're not trying to dumb down the game or ignore people and do what we want. We're trying to make the game better. You don't do that by sitting still, that's how things die. Just like in life, you learn and improve. We're trying to fix issues inherent in the game that the original devs did not bother with due to time/budget constraints. These ARE problems, we just need to find an elegant way to solve them to keep everybody happy.
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Re: The 203 disabled on hospital.
« Reply #292 on: Saturday, October 18, 2014, 21:53:04 PM »
We're not trying to dumb down the game or ignore people and do what we want. We're trying to make the game better.

I really believe you have good intentions Spanky. But the outcome is telling different story.

Just look at this thread. You said some explanations. Killaman even admitted he is against it. You are good admins who can talk, discuss, and even admit to errors.

But the problem is Eliz. His mentality is "vote, then change". He is like a bot.

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Re: The 203 disabled on hospital.
« Reply #293 on: Saturday, October 18, 2014, 22:10:07 PM »
ELiZ isn't a bot. I agree that voting should be done and we should hear from the users but it shouldn't always be the rule. We should take this information and consider the feasible options. ELiZ (and Killa for that matter) saw a way to fix the issue that took mere seconds and implemented it because the majority wanted it. There's nothing wrong with that. Quick solution to please the majority of people. The issue that remains is pleasing all the people. That will take some time to discuss and figure out.
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Re: The 203 disabled on hospital.
« Reply #294 on: Saturday, October 18, 2014, 22:22:34 PM »
The issue that remains is pleasing all the people. That will take some time to discuss and figure out.

Of course, that is impossible to achieve. Do not try to please all people.

But also, do not try please _some_ people, while by intrusive changes to the game.

And I repeat: _some_ people. You didn't seem to even check the votes (Bollie even publicly said "I voted many times").

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Re: The 203 disabled on hospital.
« Reply #295 on: Saturday, October 18, 2014, 22:33:59 PM »
After Bollie said that, ELiZ asked me about the code. I looked into it and fixed the issue of duplicate votes. There aren't many duplicate votes in the poll.
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Re: The 203 disabled on hospital.
« Reply #296 on: Saturday, October 18, 2014, 23:07:23 PM »
After Bollie said that, ELiZ asked me about the code. I looked into it and fixed the issue of duplicate votes. There aren't many duplicate votes in the poll.

Good to hear that you check it.

But what about those who were trying to abuse the system? If you punish players for things like teamkilling and mouse macros, shoudn't you have punished Bollie for cheating on voting system? It is a serious matter.

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Re: The 203 disabled on hospital.
« Reply #297 on: Saturday, October 18, 2014, 23:25:01 PM »
Eh, it's a minor thing and we didn't specifically say only vote once.
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Re: The 203 disabled on hospital.
« Reply #298 on: Sunday, October 19, 2014, 04:13:58 AM »
After Bollie said that, ELiZ asked me about the code. I looked into it and fixed the issue of duplicate votes. There aren't many duplicate votes in the poll.

Oh and for the record: i voted 3 times.
And I did raise some friends to vote against the 203.

And wicky ur a fake nerd with a big rig ;-)

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Re: The 203 disabled on hospital.
« Reply #299 on: Sunday, October 19, 2014, 04:15:28 AM »
Good to hear that you check it.

But what about those who were trying to abuse the system? If you punish players for things like teamkilling and mouse macros, shoudn't you have punished Bollie for cheating on voting system? It is a serious matter.

You cant do crap. I used 3 different computers and different isp to vote from.

 

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