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Well now that it's back to normal you can really see how it effects gameplay, people are back to the old spamming, and the map is unplayable again, there's really nowhere you can go to do unexpected things without getting a 203 in your face, in a perfect world the vote would stand, but everyone knows that the hospital players will whine their eyes out and make such a fuss that the admins of assist will be forced to work around it, so just remove the vote i'd say, and let's pretend votes actually matters some other day.

Really?

I think ARES said this because of the other discussion you had with spanky, adding admin option in their server panel to enable 203 or disable. If this is to be implemented, the vote actually is not needed as therefore we all know what will be chosen on every hospital server and option remains for frag whores. I must say he is right if this to happen, now there are plenty of polls, but do they mean anything at the moment is the question. ( As if you are going to change them) Just my cent

correct.

The other discussion was to create a x second spam disabler at start of round(Witch is implanted already in the next version, 8.15).
This is about if we should disable the 203 completely on SF Hospital, two different things.

Like I said in that thread, it will pose a problem when the server admins who think that it's needed to stop nades on maps besides hospital. It's meant for hospital, but till affect every other map in the game in a negative way, bridge, mountain pass, recon, bridge SE, all maps which has assault 203 spam as an essential way of evening up the odds on such defense sided maps. If the spam disabler is meant for hospital, but affects all other maps, remove the problem, hence remove 203's on hospital, and don't work around it trying to please the crybabies.

It's not meant for hospital, I don't how I can say it any clearer.

With the low amount of votes in the last days, it's clear that 2 weeks is too long to wait for the decision.
So I'm cutting the voting time down to 1 week.

That means that the voting ends in 2 days.

Good!

You touched the very point why this "no-203" action and voting is mislead. While there can be _some_ (little but still) arguments against 203 at _spawn time_, there are _no_ reasonable arguments against 203 in general on this map. It would be like complaining against any other weapon. So basically there should be only "no-203 in 10/20/sec." discussion, if any. Because in my opinion, this is a matter that should be left in hands of admin servers.

Micro-management like that, and putting your hands into such details as particular weapons used on map, will not lead to anything good. Even the most dictator assist admin in history (I won't even mention his name, it was a real shame and pity) never even thought about messing with such local server rules.

Unfortunately, assist admins (mainly Eliz) have the attitude "let's make a vote, then implement it". And it is unfortunate, because the population driving the vote is neither representantive nor has good opinions that would lead to AAO2 growth. Sometimes it takes one man with a brain to make right decision, instead of throwing strange ideas and letting random people vote them.

You touched the very point why this "no-203" action and voting is mislead. While there can be _some_ (little but still) arguments against 203 at _spawn time_, there are _no_ reasonable arguments against 203 in general on this map. It would be like complaining against any other weapon. So basically there should be only "no-203 in 10/20/sec." discussion, if any. Because in my opinion, this is a matter that should be left in hands of admin servers.

Micro-management like that, and putting your hands into such details as particular weapons used on map, will not lead to anything good. Even the most dictator assist admin in history (I won't even mention his name, it was a real shame and pity) never even thought about messing with such local server rules.

Unfortunately, assist admins (mainly Eliz) have the attitude "let's make a vote, then implement it". And it is unfortunate, because the population driving the vote is neither representantive nor has good opinions that would lead to AAO2 growth. Sometimes it takes one man with a brain to make right decision, instead of throwing strange ideas and letting random people vote them.

I... agree.