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You're grouping me in with the more ignorant Americans on DRAAT (they're awfully plentiful).

I agree that Hamas is bad but not every Palestinian is a part of it. To me much more important are the countless children killed, the many times the UN has had to interfere and issue a resolution targeting Israel, the upwards-of-20,000 homes destroyed by the Israelis, etc. The Palestinians were happy on their land and it was taken from them, I don't blame them for firing rockets into land that was theirs at one point during their lifetime. Palestinian-controlled land is shrinking and shrinking. I don't give a fuck about the Holocaust, Jews should not have been given their own country. I agree with Helen Thomas wholeheartedly when she said the Jews should "get the hell out of Palestine" and go home to Europe or America.

America really is the root of the problems though with the Israeli aid. Vietnam was in my opinion an unnecessary attempt to buffer Chinese or, to be more blunt,  Communist expansion and the like. I do not support America's current war. I definitely do not support the massacre of Natives and feel that is probably the most shameful act ever carried out by America.

Really, the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is not a pretty one and it never will be so I'm not saying that the Israelis as a whole are bad people or anything like that (just like I'm not saying Hamas is a positive group). It comes down to what I believe:

-Americans should not be aiding Israel or any other country.
-The Palestinians have more right to be there than Israelis.
-I don't care if BP isn't American, it's foolish to go to war for oil and then say WADDA WE DO WADDA WE DO when millions of barrels of oil are being pumped into the Gulf of Mexico.

There's not many wars/conflicts that I support throughout history; the Russian Revolution, the American Revolution, World War II, the Gulf War (definitely not all practices done throughout the war, just the defense of Kuwait). I'm drawing a blank, I'm SURE there's more but I can't really think of any.

tl;dr
Israel and Palestine are both playing dirty, but Palestine has much more right to be doing so. War sucks and stuff. American foreign policy has been pretty fucked up at times throughout history, including now.

War sucks and stuff.

QFT

I'm sick an tired of these ignorant American statements. If you truly believe any one on this website falls into the "ignorant American" category, then you are far more ignorant than the reddest of rednecks in America.

WTF is this? There's no such thing as war. There's just big stupid kids with big toys that cry when you take them away, that's all.

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Quote from: KiLLaMaN on Sunday, July 18, 2010, 12:51:06 PM

I also love how you ignore the fact that the U.S. gives out more money to undeveloped countries than any other country on earth.

your putting a price on all the people you have killed, all the familys you have destroyed by giving money to corrupt African pollies and war lords?

your not the only country helping others, sure you can send more cos your country is happy ignoring its debt and is able donate more

maybe if your country adopts Israeli ROE they would do better

but i told crunk this you cant find a rebel band of terriost with an organised army, its not how it works, if an aussie was able to turn suspected terriost and meet bin laden why couldnt an american agent or someone do it? less collateral damage

you train your guys for direct fire missions, and pit them against masters of improvised indirect weapons and tactics?

americas hoping a big show of tanks and firepower will win it for them trying to fight an enemy that sees death as a blessing

if the jews had done this a centery or more ago, but been harsher, meanier and deadlier about it the whole event would be a little footnote in history, but now a days... ohh noo

and as much as  u hate what there doing u need them to help vs the terriost, seeing as they used to use the same tactics they can handle them pretty well

also me and mans a rapping duo

The money doesn't go to the governments most of the time. There are relief areas where civilians go to get food and supplies. The U.S. is not trying to win with big tanks and fire power, the soldiers are barely able to fire on an insurgent the ROE is so strict. It's called counter insurgency, trying to win over the people of Afghanistan instead of just going through and destroying the country, which could have already been done. And how do you know how the U.S. trains their soldiers? Were you ever in training? Or did you just watch something on the history channel?

Just tell me this one last thing, why do you hate the U.S.? What is it that makes you talk bad about the country and its citizens? The last time I checked the U.S. and Australia were allies yet you seem hellbent on making fun of America using generalizations that are just not true, what is your purpose for it?

*quietly backs out of conversation*