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Zoxee: Of course he's fishy, but that's all you've got. That's what I'm saying. Maybe he is a hacker, maybe he isn't, but what if he isn't? You play this game. You should know that spectating isn't enough to confirm a careful cheater. We all have our moments where we're just like "How the hell did I just do that?" I one-shotted some guy from across the map south outside in pipeline with a pistol back when I played 2.6. It was complete bullshit, but I don't hack. There's so much else to consider. High mouse sensitivity, sound whoring, ini tweaking, ghosting, stat padding. I don't like that kind of stuff (although I did tweak my ini in the past) but you can't just go ban happy.

take tidididi for example, he is a very good player.
He played 2500 hours on Pipe and reaches a very good FR of... 2.55 over 60000 kills

FR  6 is more than twice as good as already very good so what the fack is it in the end ?

Superman ?

No, I mean you really are serious?

Look, I don't have a problem with you either, but what I'm implying is that one example from 3 months ago is fewer casualties than have already been caused by pit's method.

Well m8, if u had read the long thread concerning this guy, it illustrates exactly the problem
we have today. Banning noob kid cheaters who just bought some hack and have a tracker
with 500 kills and a FR of 5, 6 or 7 ispretty easy and not the issue here.

We are talking here about the dangers of banning someone who is not easy to convict because
his case is blurred, either many years of gameplay, or using just 1 single advantage that he
masters perfectly like an undetected private WH+SS blocker only for example.

This guy i just mentioned didn't lose time to hop on the forum and state that he is a family guy,
hast a legit job a dog and a garden and only plays because he loves the game, hosts a server
bla-bla etc in a very mature way... Well there was no hard proof to explain his fishy sessions
or his 6.12 FR on Border with 11.000 kills and he went away with it, continuing to pawn 24-0
sessions in total impunity.

That's what i am against sry.

This is not the place to post that. Post it in Cheater Submission.

if u read the forums the thread exists and is 3 months old.
It was just an example of what kind of failure ur system would be.

What I'm doing is controversial, sure, but at leat I'm trying to be coherent. You couldn't be more contradicting yourself, with what you wrote in that quote above.

Even if u guys consider what Pit is doing as fucked up, it's always soooooooo easy to criticize when
you're not in charge... wtf u want, take his place ? well do it, but pls stop camouflaging your intentions
under that purity and justice-for-all BS, it just stinks.

Just like in politics, as long as someone's in the opposition, they talk about how the government is doin BS,
promises new hopes, milk honey and work for all but as soon as the come to power, they act exactly
as their predecessors or even worse... because they have to face reality.

I guess if we had a "weak pussy" in charge, the hacker problem would be much greater today.

This crusade would make sense for a game with a lot of players

Whatever... maybe u right. This isn't worth the energy.

Unban the people you banned without proof, spectate them and record it. This all falls back on you being too lazy/ignorant to do it. It's not that hard. You should follow Sergio's example and stop thinking you know it all. There is a reason he's the anti-cheat guy. You're making the staff look bad, how can you not see that? Assist banning someone is all the proof you need, but if you manually ban someone, you'd better be able to prove the person is guilty or it's just going to flood the forums with...well THIS SHIT.

and Zoxee, you have precisely no idea what you're talking about. You're argument is nonsensical.

Theother alternative where i could agree with you is by accepting that this war can't be won,
because there will always be new cheaters, so making collateral damage among true legit players
would be unjustified and unbearable.

ok. But u have to finally decide for either one of the alternatives :

1. Let's take errors in count but waste as many hackers as possible
2. Let's understand this will never end, so let's always require proof.

choose.

THX FOR YOUR INPUT INTO THE GOOGLE TRANSLATOR. PLEASE PROCEED.

its a kid garden here not more.and TheBlackGinger what u say isnt normal too.so explain how 1 ppl that never ply with him can bann him.im sure this pit saw nothing!or he cant explain or whatever the word the situation.im admin on vertigo and i watch ppl much there.we discuse about much ppl in our forum.what i read here can create my kids.yeah is a fk gam and not importand.but u make the god here with no reasons! i hate cheater and if he cheat where are your EVIDENCE ??
i kill orso so often if he cheat lol hes bad cheater.unbann him this here is ridiculous.the most funny is same time a real cheater was there.he killed all from distance where he cant see noone normal.i notice that.orso too.
so this fk uchida guy is a real cheater orso not.funny if this make school much ppl will left this version.

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Hello guys, i am a nice admin on the vertigo server, just wanted to state that banning Orso
is bad bad bad because he is nice nice nice  Please unban him. Have a good day