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We are not trying to gain more members by inviting them to join our website for bug/ban reports. This is a way gaming forums work. I am not sure if you're mad or you got some problems? We got lots of bug and ban reports but none of them came to apply to join us and I never had this in my mind nor anyone else. If its PB ban they can give a shout on assist shoutbox or our clan shoutbox, if the player is banned by server admin he must come to the website to appeal. You understand now? We require them to appeal most of the times because we don't want to unban a player that was banned for a reason....

To make sure server is a safety place for everyone to play, we do require appeal claims on our website www.igcclan.net

This way we keep all bans tidy and organized. Most of the bans are PB bans so most of the times you need to wait certain time to get yourself unbanned automatically. That's why we say report to the forum, we don't know if the case is serious and we don't want to unban someone who was banned on purpose for a reason. We got active admins out there and they are always free to check the ban list. You can go to our website and report on our shoutbox if the ban is from PB.

Just saying that you are an old schooler and changes that needs to be changed wont bother you in any way. In which you are wrong. Once again we open topic, and some old schooler comes up opens his mouth that everything is okay for a few days, no, because eventually we will come back to it and discussion is getting boring now because i don't see any movement. Ganja will you take all responsibility to leave this as it is? I bet we come to this again:)

You and merlin simply against this now...as u see some progress, like we did see progress when player base was growing it went back to normal...so if we leave as it is we will come back to this and i didnt open a topic for 9 pages long to get an answer leave it as it is.... even tho I believe this will be ignored of what u said since the reason is obvious of whats causing in this community. Yet i know its up to eliz to make this decision:)

I didn't even have inspiration to read all these 7 pages until i saw some good ideas from zoxee.

There are people who agree and disagree. People with big picture and people that just don't understand the real situation

I had a grin on my face, because i know that the discussions never succeed, its never done and it always comes up as a pointless approach. We all know that this won't happen not until eliz and most of admins agree with this.

The reason why this game is dying because of the maps played, the behaviour of the admins, the unlimited servers that never being played. I agree and thankful to admins giving me another chance to play but I also agree that hacking and cheating isn't a major problem, it never was. The new client, the new major updates never brought a lot of players, it did but not permanently. Me and spanky used to see player base grow to almost 200 players when the new client came out, over even but as a days went and the players went down.

There are only 2 options i see available.

1. Force people to play different maps. Delete and remove servers and leave 20 official servers.
2. Lets it stay as it is, lets try to ''encourage'' them as we always try to do and see the game die.

''It's so pff, not here to hurt anyone but when we talk about encourage others to play other maps its just not working, have you guys not noticed that yet? we tried to encourage them for years and all we get is lose a lose situation.''

Its true, when you banned on popular server where the most players play its so sad. For a player it leaves one option as to leave the game.

When i was on TS, guys spoke to me as a good ideas i made in the first post, they wondered where the mods gone, there is no more fun left, the situation is critical here, its always been here.

Situation is clear, you approach and succeed or you leave all this as it is and see the game die. Its sad that people dont want changes, they just dont see a bigger picture, they dont understand all the situation. Its so pff, thats why my inspiration and battle to makes changes flies away.

Hello,

I am only going to speak too one point.

When it comes to banning someone from the game for cheating, you must have documented proof.

The reason for this is simple, you don't want to be sued. Those of you that have been around for a long time in the AA world, will have seen this before. Even -ACI- has this problem, we know people are cheating but can not prove it. The level of proof is higher at -ACI- but this is because we have seen others try to frame people.

This is always a problem for anti cheat groups, the members want anyone dodgy banned.

Steve

The thing is that we can't get proof, assist is a proof only we can count on. If the player cheats assist will get them, if its not detectable there will be no chance for us to detect it or find any proof. The only proof we can get is from tk, harassment and so on, but not if someone cheats or hacks...

Have you seen someone get proof giving video or screenshots with players view of hacks? the answer is simple...no. I hope you know where i am going, the documentation or any kind of proof we cant find it is not available, the words from our lips is not matter. The only way you can ban someone is get a proof that we can never get.

Also, the only thing we use BT checks to see if they have linked accounts, which doesnt help at all, its just a piece of stats to see if hes an experienced player, therefore thats why he is good or bad.

First of all i am not raging out on anyone here but i am here to tell you all couple points i made out over a few weeks, months and years.

First thing i would like to talk about is ''our'' anti cheat tool. We all knows what its capable off, but it has weaknesses. I am sad to say this but our loved ''admins'' relay more on anti cheat tool than on community voice. I don't know why community is ignored by admins. I mean community plays this game, not a single admin puts so much dedication in the game action. There is some respect to admins such as eliz who works on assist for free and always finds time to develop it. To repeat this message I have not seen once that admins would trust or agree with community on background checks. This goes to the recent topics about zibi and kechup. I am also sure that diesel also uses macro and like half of players, and it is ''one'' i repeat, one of the biggest advantages right now against people who simply cant afford or dont know how to use macro. Thats why anti cheat has weaknesses, it cant catch everything and there is always things that will be undetectable. Admins don't play much like normal players do, maybe they played, years ago or months but community should be in the first place for AAO.

Second point is that we complain about less people. Yes, you're very right about this. I am not sure why we talk about maps or training in the way to bring back more players. I have played AA for a month non stop and now got bored, not because i have dropped my support to assist but because i am bored. Now i say this; if we are not to change game play, tactics, maps then dont talk about how our player base drops. Its not hackers or cheaters that ruins the game, but we are ruining it. We saw 200 players online and growing but it has dropped off again to the minimum player base we had previously. If we disable training or some training aspects then we hell sure to see player base activity rise again but it wont be permanently. Years i have offered assist to go on changing tactics, game play but as ''community disagrees'' with this i see no point to blame admins or make them do things that we not agree with. By the way if you want to bring more players and not to ruin our loved game, we need to fix it ourselves, starting with being nice to each other and unite as community.

Third thing is that the assist poll isn't used much at all. I mean the future aspects of the game should be questioned by community in poll section. As we still have the same question over random spawns we could change it and start asking and placing bits right way. It should be used more often, and it feel to me that that bit is forgotten a lot where i see the only best future we have to communicate with players.

Last problem i see is ''oldschool'' players. I am not going to rage on them or threaten or hurt them by any means but I am saying some facts what i see currently. As you may agree or not agree oldschool players will never want changes, they wont be giving you a chance to change game a bit. What I offered not long ago was random spawns, all i got was negative feedback but, as we see the poll section (answers) it makes me believe that it would be great idea, which i believe and spanky would be a great aspect of the game. Old school player will never want changes, and now we got likely more oldschool players than new players. I don't understand why we want to bring old schoo players back? is it because they are good and skilful? The game should be open to everyone and the main objective should be to bring new players, not old players that have families or businesses to take care of, our latest hope is new members, young member snot old members. Sure we can gain experience from them but thats just all we can get from them.

My last conclusion on all this is that we all blame admins for not doing their job, but its us who is not doing our job, we are split, we are not community and we are not united, and it will never be, because people likes people who they know, its a bit of first view discrimination in all sense. Admins dont relay more on our word but relay on tool that it is runned as a software. I see these points like in political view as we are not worth anything and higher ranked people are more smarter and have more power than others. We ll should be equal and finally the game is not going to move until we start thinking and start progressing in changing tactics, gameplay, a bit map structure and so on. There is lots to do but we say ''NO'' to that so in other words blame ourselves.

Graphic card or memory are the only aspects of your trouble.