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Ive checked their site as well. Kinda pricy as well (50 to 100 euro's). Which one have you exactly bought?

I bought the Castor, the avior costs the same but it has a bit bigger body shell. They're pricey indeed, but I can assure you the deatheadder doesnt come much cheaper than 50/55 euros, at least from Amazon.it .

I graduated in communication design back 7 years ago, I used to work for a sort of digital printing company between 2012 and 2014, it was a bit of a mix between a printing service for small&big publishing company needs, like Mondadori, for industrial companies needs like Whirlpool and such (instruction leaflets and such) and a service for anyone who wanted to self-publish 100/200/500 copies of their own crappy version of 50 shades of Grey...ok, maybe its over-exaggerated but that nails the overall quality. In that company I used to work in the pre-print, aswell as printing from to time on some Canon and Xerox machines (they had an Igen4), pretty much small format equipment. In the end I also ended up helping the guys in the binding and finishing line cause by late 2014 nearly 30 of about 50 employees were fired or not working there anymore. By then I left aswell, and switched through a few workplaces, at first a small shop (terrible experience) for one month, then moved back to my town and i worked for 3 months at a small company which had some fantastic large format digital printing equip. Unfortunately it was a temporary thing and by the summer it was over. As of now I'm working as a sort of basic worker in a packaging plant. It is still sort of temporary too, even if I was told there's a chance I can get taught to work on the line as way more than basic worker. I wouldn't mind putting my hands and eyes to understand about the technical bits.

But its one thing just clicking, it would be slower aiming at E. That would take it down a bit.

For a pad you mean? Yes, but it was aimed at people who might have had physical issues, and it was helping a great deal for that matter (e.g. if one can't fully open and close fingers properly). Of course being a pad it had no meaning of being faster in aiming than a mouse.

I got a max of 9 I think, but then I was only clicking. The reason I said 30 is because you said you'd do 20 in 2/3 seconds, which I thought would mean 20 in 0.666 seconds, but I suppose you meant 20 in 2-3 seconds.

And I do think the "regular" max would be somewhere around 7-8 per second.

Eheh, no of course I meant 2 or 3 seconds, which indeed translates in the figure around 6 to 7 clicks. But as I said, it depends on so many things...I reckon I just remember about an uber cool Xbox modified pad that was built to improve gameplay experience for people with physical issues, basically there was an additional bit of "lever" hardware on the back triggers to shorten reaction times. It was so good that it gathered to a much broader target. I don't remember the name, but I think it went on Kickstarter or such.

Logitech M-U007 is the one I have now. All good, 2 extra buttons on the flank I'm not using for AA though

If it's a Logitech, it can't be bad (or at the very least, it can't be atrocious).

It's something that a human can do. Something that doesn't require a computer's/machine's assistance.

This reminds me of when I used to play the old aapg beta, back in 2014. Back then the m14 (long barrel carbine) was almost good in close quartier combat as much as a shotgun, possibly much more precise because it didn't still had the precision cone drop that now makes it more realistic, and I was able to shoot it so fast (like, single-firing 20 bullets in 2/3 seconds to take down 5 or 6 enemies) that I got asked a couple times if I was using a macro ^^ all of that with an old Logitech m100 ^^ .

Oh, and btw, I think there are a few apps or online tools you can use to check your clickrate speed.

I've found out about this one, the Mionix Avior http://www.overclock.net/t/1469836/mionix-avior-7000-first-impressions-review

The name is funny, but it seems well built, which is what I like the most, and it has nicely curved shapes, with no sharp edges. Hmmm.

I can sell you my magicmouse, it's shaped like a squeezed bun and once you roll your middle button it never stops rolling. Best gaming mouse everrr

Lel, apple stuff appreciated, but I prefer un-roll-full stuff xD