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i dont think that's a valuable argument. newer versions like 2.8.5. have already proven the opposite. lots of bugs were fixed or at least limited, which is still better than doing nothing. same goes with the anticheat-discussion we had lately. doing nothing was never a option, even if it's impossible to catch them all. but just give up on the case? comon u already offered ur help. i'd like to see this discussion becoming constructive, no so much trash talk and "know it better".

Don't get me wrong, which all of you obviously did. I'm all for leveling the gameplay having everyone fight out of the same corner and having the same standards, but seeing this is AA, with the code it has. Removing them all will never be an option, in 2.8.5 they tried, but failed. Fastswap being the best example. If you cannot remove it from the game, you need to look at it from a diffrent angle, what can you do to prevent people from using the existing ones. Adding bans for fastswap? No. (noone said that, but it'd come up for sure) My argument therefore is, don't even try removing bugs, people will work around it, I have done so in the past without problems simply because people still used it, hence gaining an unfair advantage over me, so i leveled the gameplay and used it too. I didn't want to loose, simple as.

Ares, even wars have rules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions

For this game the closest we got is the TOS, that you agreed to be able to play this game

For explots like quickswap and what not:
This ax extract of the TOS, check out xii

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The Licensee is considered violating the Terms of Service if you, the Licensee:
(i) Harass, threaten, embarrass, or do anything else to another player that is unwanted, such as repeatedly
     sending unwanted messages or making personal attacks or statements about race, sexual orientation,
                     religion, heritage, etc.
(ii) Transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive,
                       vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in
                       a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated.
(iii) Disrupt the flow of chat in AA with vulgar language, abusiveness, use of excessive shouting [all caps] in
                       an attempt to disturb other users, "spamming" or flooding [posting repetitive text].
(iv) Impersonate another person (including celebrities); indicate falsely that you are a Dev, or attempt to
                       mislead users by indicating that you represent Assist or it's Devs.
(v) Attempt to get a password, account information, or other private information from anyone else on Assist
                      or AA.
(vi) Promote or encourage any illegal activity including hacking, cracking or distribution of counterfeit software.
(vii) Upload files that contain a virus or corrupted data.
(viii) Use or distribute "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility"
                        software program or applications.
(ix) Modify any part of the Assist service.
(x) Post and/or distribute any player's real-world personal information inside Assist or AA.
(xi) Attempt to interfere with, hack into or decipher any transmissions to or from the Assist or AA servers.
(xii) Use and/or distribute exploits to gain an unfair advantage in a game.
(xiii) Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing AA.

The geneva convention im well aware of, having been in a active warzone i feel all of it and keep it close to me. I can tell you how to remove fastswap and it's workaround. I'd like to contribute in the sense of having fair gameplay, sure. But not at the expense of dying competitive playing, which is already dead. The small amount we have left, we'd like to keep. There are ways and cvars which can get rid of most of the bugs, exploits and cheats (most, never all of them) . You just gotta know the right people who are willing to put in time. I'm coming through here as sinciere as i can. I'd like to help if you let me. I'll bring on some guys who can enforce and encourage a change in attitude in these supertweakers and whatnot. I'll keep adding small puns to people I feel deserve them, since this is the internet, some puns and kicks in the butt are all but fun. I'll tone everything down though since I come across as a total retard, being the only one playing the game, the intention has always been trying to get someone else to join me in the bitching. This is how I always done it, don't work here obviously so i'll just stop. I'll never be like antiarmycheat and suck dem cocks though. Yes i just said that.

I love the excuse "everybody else does it so I do too". I hear a lot of people jump off bridges....

And I love your "I'm bored with how AA works" instead of the correct way "I'm unable to change my gameplay into something which challenges me and further gives me newfound joy"

If you feel jumping off is for you, go for it.

Im well aware that fastswap is an exploit, and I use it. And has always used it. They did remove it but it was possible to go around. I didn't, i really tried to stop using it and with that evolving my playingstyle. It worked alright, then the game died and we went back to assist. You're mentioning the blatant expoit such as running with gun, and nade. What about the not so blatant ones? You will never to be able to outrule all of them, this game will never be bug, exploit or anything else free.

Killaman you sound like you actually think im the biggest exploiter and user of all the bugs availible, which I'm not, I'm a fair player. I bitch a whole lot, i let my mouth run warm. But that's about it. Fastswap being the only thing i use, not to gain an advantage but because it's just a reflex. If you present me with a way of removing fastswap, without being able later on to bind one of the aliases in user ini to a button, which has a command on it that connects to crouch|onrelease|stand. I'm all for it. But it aint possible. My superiority complex is simply me knowing more about the subject than you, been around longer and  have weighed the pros and cons rediciously long.

So tecnically, If i change a value in my armyops.ini from true to false. Which gives me, say the lack of debree coming of the wall when i shoot at it. (which is a value i have changed in my ini) Just because I find the animation/effect silly and unrealisticly annoying. That is meant to be in the game, and meant to be removed if i choose, don't give me any advantage whatsoever, just lets my eyes rest better shooting straight into a wall. Is that an exploit?

This is hilarious. You do realize that we don't allow the running with gun exploit, right? We have a hackhunter check for it, and if it was up to me, we'd have one for quick swap as well, if that is even possible. Quick swap is an exploit, there is no other way to look at it. It wasn't intended to be in the game.

Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean you SHOULD. By your logic, POKES should be OK, since everyone could use them. That's ridiculous.

I get that the competitive players are used to exploiting the game and getting whatever advantage they can out of it,but I didn't think you would fight so hard to keep these ridiculous advantages in the game.

I'll ask you this, since competitive players are so much better than everyone else when it comes to AA, why the hell do you need all these exploits and tweaks? You should be able to kill all of us horrible pubstar peasants easily, right? Why fight to keep this garbage in the game?

We don't need them, for real. But in competitive whatever, you adapt and go with the changes if you want to win. I don't have tweaks, which are originally something you changed inside the .ini file or user.ini. Xfi settings, are not tweaks in the regard that they give you an advantage which is faulty and nasty. If you want good music sound, you fix your soundcard settings, swap to 5.1 speakers or whatever you choose doing, same goes for AA.

So you're saying it's totally normal for an enemy to appear in the middle of your screen?
I'll go on a limb here and say it's not.
If that's what's happening to you, you've done something for it to happen, because with regular settings this pretty much only happens when you're looking for someone with the corner of your screen.

And X-Fi gives you an advantage, that's a fact. Whether or not we should call it unfair is another question. Right now it's not considered unfair (or unfair enough), because you're able to play with your X-Fi card.

Ofcourse it's in the corner of your screen, on river basin and any other longrange maps i thought that went without saying. But yes looking through the corner, which we can agree everyone does? No advantage is gained with colorcorrection. Same goes for looking normal, they appear on the same distance no matter what settings you got.

This isn't a professional environment, I don't get paid to be here. I'm here for the fun of it. I handle myself professionally in professional situations.

I wouldn't say a "fraction" of users tweak and glitch, the Assist logs alone tell otherwise and that's just the people that have gotten kicked for cvar checks, there's plenty more that go undetected. I don't play often but when I do there is at least 1 person in the server that I can tell is messing around whether it's fastswap or hotkey binds to empty clips faster. There's many things that I can't see as well like brightness, detail settings, shadow settings, equalizers.

While I could blame the Unreal engine for being so customizable, ultimately it's the users that choose to mess around with these settings so they can play better. It's sad and it ruins the game.

wow man, what im saying is, how can you be an admin if you obviously have no knowledge of how the game works, sure you know the coding in and out but you obviously missed out on some essential parts of AA. Let me work things out for you.
Calling fastswap a glitch, bug or whatever you choose calling it is like saying doubletap W = Run is bugising and unfair because you can actually doubletap w and press your designated run button at the same time to get the weapon animation to bug out and not drop down. Fastswap is there, for everyone to use it, it makes you swap things faster, yes. But nothing is stopping you from using it, adapt mate.

Hotkey binds im with you on, but you probably have a totally diffrent understanding on what hotkeys are, and what "advantage" they give a player. Like when you tried removing scroll=fire for singleshot spamming, you added the time between shots in singlefire mode but "forgot" to do the same on burst, hence you obviously created a problem out of a non excisting one. You empty your clip with with scrollfire, and burstmode like 0.5 seconds faster, which don't make a diffrence at all. Someone being shot by scrollfire would still get owned in normal fireing mode.
Brightness and colorcorretion is totally one of the best things to use in this game, the default colors in this game, which are usually in the colorspectra which I don't see since im multi colorblind, gives OTHERS an unfair advantage over me, i take the liberty to "OMGWTF TWEAK" the shit out of my colorcorrection to adjust the contrasts, lineing and rendering, making it even possible for me to see an enemy which is standing infront of a grey wall (north hallway weapons cache is perfect example, opfor colors on that map and the grey walling makes the enemies invicible for me more or less) Tweaking graphics don't make you see any further, same goes for monitor settings. It makes you see things clearer and removes some of the bad pixel rendering on sertain maps.

And finally, the XFI tweaking. This is absolutley rediculous that you honestly belive that it gives me an unfair advantage. It gives me an advantage, but this is in no way or form unfair, has never been and will never be. Me having a lowkey keyboard, meaning the keys don't stick up as far, but more like a laptop kind of keyboard; will make it possible for me to swap directions, lean and press keys faster then if you would have, say a standard lenovo keyboard. Exactly the same thing, it's up to everyone how they want to have their gear set, it ain't unfair, it's adapting and gaining an edge. We shoot eachother in this game, we compete against eachother on every server we join, you or him. If you wanna sit down and sing kumbaya and make everyone join hands, so be it. It don't make it right though. Soundsettings are the perfect example and the only advice I ever give players struggling with the game, get a better soundcard. AA is built on sound, it has molded the gameplay and will continue doing so.

If you are bad at this game, which no pun intended you are, you obviously don't get this. You have the frustration after being shot, instead of adapting you try changing shit so that it's equal for everyone. Games will never be equal.

I like being admin I like this game too, it's just a pity that the players turn it into shit.

This being your opinion, and mine being that with that kind of thoughts, you as admin will ruin the game. We will have to agree to disagree, but you being admin sets you in a higher position to actually manage and influince the community. According to your own intrests.

It would be epic to have a obliged mapswitch after 12 rounds. Because people playing 2000+ hours on a map don't really care to go one side or another, they'll beat the fuck of out of a new player

For mapswitches to be possible they seriously need to fix the mapcrash, Frefixes for mapclusters "packages" which are editable for serveradmins would be awesome to implement if possible.