I have tons of 'un-established' artist and bands in my play list, I even had me in my playlist at one point when I first got my ipod and tested its voice recording by recording myself say "kill everybody" and it auto added itself to my itunes play list, ofcourse I removed it when every now and then after a song I'd hear myself tell me to kill everyone and it started sounding like a reasonable request but back on topic, this prob isnt a good example cos training doesnt make good music (beyond practicing a song before releasing it.) if a group puts out a song I like and they have no training I like the song as much as a well trained group, I dont put it in my play list named "untrained but groovy"
this is reason not to stalk and emotional fall in love with actors, movies themselves are stories and I love a good story that fits my taste, and some actors are great for certain parts not because of there training but because of how they act, like jim carey to tom cruise, both trained actors but u couldnt put tom cruise as pet detective cos hes not right for it.
if u didnt ignore me on steam u would be somewhat wiser with the advice I had.
I also laugh at the thought of mans and his bum buddies watching the 'pros' play league of legends when they could be playing it themselves.
I wouldnt watch a professional masterbator because hes more trained at it then I am.
1. If they call themselves a band, have a name, and play songs, they're an established band.
2. As for actors, you just helped prove my point. It's all just training. Yes, some wouldn't be good for other roles, but it works that way in sports too. A baseball player can't simply go and play professional basketball. You can even give example within a certain sport. A pitcher is usually not a good hitter and so on. It's the same for movies, bands, and a lot of other forms of entertainment.