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and what is wrong with people learning how to do useful things to survive?Where did I say that was wrong? That was actually the entire point I've been trying to make. People that learn useful things are more important than those who don't. He was trying to prove me wrong but proved me right. I was just pointing out him contradicting himself.
My evidence says it doesn't. I voted Obama and the majority in my redneck state voted McCain. My vote did absolutely nothing.Not true. Your vote counted, it was part of the vote, but your side lost. It might not have counted on the federal level, nobody's vote does, but it counted on the state level, and that's the most important part of the electing process.
the idea that you have to take out a loan that you will be paying pretty much the rest of your life to be educated is stupid. Why should someone who doesnt have money not have the same opportunity to go to school and learn as a person who does have money? That makes sense to you? really? And dont go calling someone a "crazy conspiracy theorist" because of their beliefs. I believe a lot of things that people look down on because they are crazy. for example i believe that 9/11 was an inside job and was a ploy to start a war. Our government is the most corrupt thing on this planet and again all of these problems are brought on by money. Grapes is right money buys you out of anything and it's wrong. Calling someone stupid or saying what they say is bull shit makes me angry and it's a very arrogant thing to say. I agree 100% with you spanky. I tend to base my thoughts off of factsThat's what a loan is for, those who can't afford things. Anybody can go to college, hell, if you're poor they give you free money to attend college. Also, saying that a vote doesn't count towards the election of the president is crazy, because all evidence says it does. I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to call out that BS.
Typical work day = 8 hours. 8 hours + 2 hours driving time = 10 hours. Let's say an hour for pre-work prep time and post-work unwinding time. 11 hours. Toss in an hour for dinner. 12 hours. 9 hours of sleep so there's 3 hours left. 3 hours of wiggle room a day. Not much time if you have overtime or you work slightly longer than a typical work day. Plus, you just worked all day, you're tired and in the winter months, you likely get home when it's dark. It's a lifestyle that leaves so much to be desired really.That also depends on your job though. People do have typical 9-5 jobs that they enjoy doing.
some people understand engineering good like you, some people understand philosiphy good. none of them is more important than the other. money is just this idea that has also been spoon fed to us remeber its just a piece of paper. people used to trade goods in order to survive, thats what it needs to go back to. trade for what you need, not trade a usless object for what you need. trading a useful object for another useful object is much more satisfying,You just contradicted your own post though. You can't go to a barter economy (trade goods for goods) because then people would actually need to know how to do useful things in order to survive. Philosophy is not one of those useful things. Nobody is going to trade you food for a boring lecture on how the mind in the only thing we can surely know exists. It won't happen. You need something useful, like carpentry skills or engineering skills to be able to trade for food.
I don't think it's ignorant to call those people drones. It's exactly what they are. I've seen it in person. Wake up early to drive an hour to work, work all day, drive an hour back home, grab dinner and go straight to bed. Get up and do it again! Then when the weekend comes, you're exhausted so you sleep in and boom! 1/4 of your weekend is gone so you have Saturday afternoon before anything gets done, money is tight because of loans and debt. It's a malicious cycle that doesn't really sustain anything, it doesn't allow you to accomplish anything in life.Come one Spanky, more generalizations. A typical work day is 8 hours. There is time to do stuff, even on the weekdays. It's stupid to claim people go to work, eat, and then go to sleep, that's not true at all. I don't know anybody that does that.
there already is public outrage, occupy? oh wait the rich use their gustapo called the police to get rid the ones who are outraged and wont stand for capitalistic ideaology. just like vietnam, its all politics, no its called opium trade.Occupy is a complete joke. A bunch of idiots wanting free rides because their stupid Philosophy degree is useless. Occupy didn't even have a uniform goal, everyone said something different and equally stupid. Not to mention it had nothing to do with the electoral college, which is what was being discussed.
they are inclined to vote for who the popular vote winner is, but they do not have to. the way our politicians word they own regualtions/standards is amazing. even someone as educated as you thinks that your vote actually counts! WAKE UP!Yeah, they don't have to vote for the popular vote winner, BUT IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN THE LIFETIME OF THE UNITED STATES. What do you not get about that? If they voted for someone else, there would be public outrage and a demand for change, something they don't want to do.
I'm talking about the majority of workers, the ones chasing the American dream. That's exactly what Grapes is talking about too. Those people that beat themselves every day and live for the weekend. It's such a rat race. Great reason why I don't go into town on the weekend, all the rushing people. Take a look outside at a highway on Memorial Day weekend. All those people, rushing to try and go camping, try and grab a pinch of nature because they never see any in their drone lifestyles. It's funny really.
I find myself siding with Grapes more actually. I'm not a nut or a conspiracy theorist. I look at the facts. There are so many things that are better than the American dream. I believe self-teaching and experience can make you more educated than college can, at a cheaper price too. A lot of specific jobs require more than college as well such as trade schools or certification. Just skip college and get those things. You'll gain 4 years of your life and you won't be in debt!
lol Killaman, your presidential vote doesn't matter. Direct action matters. I'm actually not going to vote in this next election. You won't improve the world by saying "guy x should be president", you change the world by changing your life and then improving your local world (environment, habitat, dwelling, community, whatever you want to call it). Then inspire others to change and improve for the better.That's not what I was talking about. Grapes said my vote doesn't count towards electing the president when it clearly does. Whether it means anything significant is a completely different topic.
umm, your vote is for who is popular, and i dont think your an elected offical in which you have a hand in the electoral vote? which is why i dont vote because they will pick and choose presidents as they do laws.The electoral votes go toward whoever wins the majority vote in the state. It's never happened any other way.
your probably one of those poeple who think your vote counts who becomes president too...I do, but that's probably because I'm not a crazy conspiracy theorist.
back in hawaii when i lived there i used to go to this camp where they taught you about the native people from many thousands of years who would do all the work on the island in less than 3 hours a day in order for everyone to have enough food clothing and shelter for the day. for the rest of the day and for entertainment they'd surf or swim in the ocean. thats having a life. todays life is about keeping certain bloodlines in society wealthy and luxurious. got people paying thousands of dollars for shiny rocks called diamonds, beliving that they are 'precious stones.' a piece of paper that defines what kind of education you get and what kind of life you will live. everything you suppoosedly 'work' for is to keep them in power.someone dont want to listen or wants to talk send them to jail just like NDAA look that up. our goverment is hi-jacked by corrupt bankers who use us to support them. in europe many countries have GMO labeling, oh wait US with its high standars and NO GMO labels. NICE!
You guys need to watch more movies. No one caught that Airplane reference.I'ts been awhile since I've seen Airplane.
Grapes touched on something in one of the last posts. I too am not a worker drone. It's really laughable that the American way is to loan yourself into debt then spend all day every week day working your ass off and then on the weekends try to do things but never accomplish anything because you're too tired from the week and still don't have any money.More and more generalizations. You can't work and not be a drone at the same time? That seems illogical.
its definately not to act so arrogant like your soo smart and so above all of us "lesser thans." you chose to be that slave i didnt. im happy with my life wouldnt change it for anything, anyone, or any amount of money. read chariots of the gods i mean fuck its common sense. dont be mad because you choose not to beleive the truth of some pretty obvious facts. you've been force fed american history books you forgot how to think for youselfAre you on drugs? Serious question.
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