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Anyone else feel like Vegeta is the bottleneck to having a reasonable discussion here?

I've felt that way for a while.

You can't argue with a true believer. He will believe more than you could care to argue.

They did believe it was the smallest and the were wrong call it any thing you like they were wrong.

Educate me then, what makes you say that the atom is not the smallest "thing" (as you describe it)?

All your scientists are goverment funded. They will all do what there told or there out of a job.

I don't know about scientists in other countries, but where I work (an actual scientific research center), the latter is simply not the case.

Yes, we are funded by "governement". But not really by our own government, most of the money comes from European projects such as FP7 and Horizon 2020. I don't exactly know who funds those things (European Union probably), but in no way is are you obliged to get a result that suits some "governement".
Each time we start doing something, a project proposal is written. In it is described how and what we're planning to do as well as who and how it will help, plus how long the development would take and how much it would cost. This proposal is then either approved or not approved (most don't get approval). If approved, we get some funding and start working on it.
However, it is entirely possible - even likely - that some projects will not get the same result that was predicted in the proposal. We're looking into the unknown and thus can never be 100% sure.

While we work in mostly in underwater biomimetic robotics, I am fairly certain that the same kind of procedure is valid in most all research centers (btw, there is private funding as well). There's been plenty on controversial research done in every field. Chances are, the ones who payed for it will not like the outcome, but that doesn't mean the outcome is changed.

On that same point, I don't see how lying about climate change would benefit any nation/continent. If you accept climate change, you will have to pay for the effects - or rather the lessening of future effects - yourself as well and even if some of this stuff is carried out within your jurastication, you will not get more money back then you give out.

i did build many of computers by myself. its not that hard to do.
the only thing you have to look while doing it:
be sure that you connect all the cables at the right places of the motherboard (otherwise you will burn it like i did once several years ago )
but today, you can read the manuals much better then years ago. and the power supplys are more standard now. so its quite easy to do.

as spanky did tell above, you should take a samsung ssd - this speeds your comp really up on another level - when you do use much read/writes operations. for sure you should also have more then 4GB of RAM - 16GB would be enough for years. therefor you have to use/buy a windows x64 bit operating system, 32bit doesn't support more RAM then 3.2/4GB!

make sure you will buy an intel processor with multiple kernels - its a must for calculating like you wish to do - but also depends on the software you do use for calculating. should be ready for multiple kernel use.

the power supply you do select should be able to support your processor, disk, graphic card. should be something above 500W. and maybe not that noisy like some are. and the cables out there should be removable.

about the graphic card i dont really know, but i would select a nvidia chipset. but not sure with that. with all others i am.

Thanks for the insight!

I'm having someone look into this for me now (the one Koden suggested), it's less time consuming than getting on top of all the stuff myself. Besides, him being in Estonia and having prior experience also helps.

Good idea, Possessed

The other day we were discussing where our country's current leadership is heading (I can't for the life of me think with who, though lol) and we got to communism in 2 different stages. Fun stuff

And if Vegeta still doesn't understand that climate change is more complex than mere temprature, he's a lost cause anyway.

Hey!

Well I've decided I'm going to buy (or build?) a new PC.

The problem is, I've not been at all up to date with the hardware stuff and wouldn't really even know where to start.

It seems that nowadays, they don't really sell readybuilt PCs (as was the trend the last time I bought one some 10 years ago) and if they do it's usually for an office.

What I want from the computer:

• some game performance - I play a little, but not too much lately
• some computing power - I sometimes run stuff that runs for a couple of days on my old laptop (numerical differential equations and the likes) and it is likely I will need to in the future as well
• multiple monitor capability - helps for a lot of data
• price around 600€
• shippable to Estonia

That's pretty much it. I have a 3 TB external hard drive at home so it wouldn't need a huge one (although a 64GB SSD would be a tad small to my taste).


So all in all, any ideas what to look for? How easy would it be to really build one given the parts? I bet there's tons of videos on youtube on this.

Is there something coming out soon that might make older generation stuff's price go down?

If there's any further questions, feel free to ask.

Any advice and help would be appreciated!

global warming causes an ice age? now thats clever.

You said global warming provkes climate change and climate change brings and ice age lol so funny. Please bring some eveidence and you soarse.

Climate is a vastly more complex system then temperature. So obviously a significant increase in temprature can change other aspects of the climate, which in turn can - without a doubt - result in a reduction in temperature.
I didn't read any of the links Killa put up, but I'd bet some of them also talk about how exactly this happens.

However, I'll give you an easy example. You know, when the Earth got struck with an asteroid (or meteor? I don't really know) some 65 million years ago (when the dinosours were wiped out), the asteroid also brought a lot more energy to the earth, immense heat near where the asteroid landed (hence the glass that formed nearby). So temperature should have risen, right? No, because it also made these huge dust clouds that completely covererd the Earth from sunlight and thus made it colder (plus, of coure significantly lessened the oxygen being created). Of course this is just a simplification, but what it means is that it's not just about the one change you see at first site.
The reason I chose this example (while there are others), is because it's also a sudden change (even though infitely more sudden than what we're seeing right now in climate change).


Another thing I've been dying to discuss is your apparant hatred towards citations. I don't suppose you've been a part of a scientific research party? Or even read a scientific article, for that matter?
They are almost always composed of a lot of citations from other, earlier works. If you had to thurally explain every aspect of what you're doing in every article, all the articles would be 10 times longer and would take more than 10 times as long to write, because a lot of the things would need supporting experiments. You cannot do without citing other people's work.

The same should apply in here. Chances are, none of us will have seen evolution at a macro scale, because nobody claims it to work in one generation (and probably none, or very few of us, have scientificly observed it themselves), just as probably none us have themselves measured global warming as it's to do with climate change and climate is a sort of long term whether, the change of which can't be measured within one decade. But the same way, you did not see - let alone write - the actions in the bible. We're all just recollecting  (sometimes even citing) what we've seen others do.


OK, well let's try to talk on "topic" here.
Have you ever seen how the human embryo evolves in the uterus? It first looks like a fish and then starts forming more of a human shape. There are many stages of this transformation. It was taught to us in High School, and while I haven't seen it first hand, I have no reason to doubt the research done decades before my time.
Obviously the embryo won't have an "ape" shape, since that's such a small milestone in our evolution, however if this doesn't show that we evolved from another species, I don't know what would.