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Thanks for fixing all these things, guys!

Hi.

Unfortunately there is only 1 account by any of the names you provided in our database. And that account has 16 honor, so it's not really useful.

The BT ID you provided could be useful indeed. But unfortunately we don't have that account in our database. That'll most likely be because you haven't used that account through 25Assist after the US army stopped supporting the game (so since 2012).

I was just curious about it. You guys did it also with the uniforms. I remember the time that 2.5 the camo pattern of the uniforms were dessert on dessert maps. Nowadays you can see the digital camo pattern on the uniforms from 285.

Anyway, no I don’t know how much work it is, to do that kind of stuff.

Thanks for the information.

Good observations!

Back in the day we had a very talented and well motivated member of the team that was capable of and (somehow!) had the time to do such things. But unfortunately he's no longer actively involved in this project.
That's why I say we don't really have the resources to tackle such things.

I'm sorry if the above post felt aggressive or hostile. It certainly wasn't meant as such. People just often underestimate the amount of work seemingly small changes can take. And perhaps they also overestimate the number of members and/or amount of available time for the members of the staff here (or other projects for that matter).

First of all, thank your for Bart for putting in the work and finding out what's happening. It's great we still have someone on the team who's dedicated enough to do this!

And to be honest, in hindsight (20-20, eh), I should have been on top of looking at the two accounts as soon as this was posted. It would have been relatively clear that they were playing on the same IP right away. Even if nothing in the original post would suggest that, it should be an obvious way of gaining an advantage and should have been checked quicker.
So I do think there's room for me (or us?) to improve here.


As for the punishment. I certainly understand that some people may be upset that he'd be allowed back in a couple of weeks. After all, what he did was seriously disruptive for the other people playing this game.
But I do think we need to understand that this sort of cheating is not as severe as using a third party tool. It's certainly more severe than playing with a friend and the friend shouting out enemy locations on discord (or similar) - we wouldn't really even interfere in this - since they went out of their way to deploy 2 computers next to each other to gain an advantage. However, it's not like they weren't altering the game itself.
So if (and I know this may be a lot to ask for some of you) we agree that there are worse forms of cheating, the punishment for this one would need to also fall below those worse forms of cheating.
And we might also want to keep players who are interested in playing in the game rather than forcing them out permanently. Though - as alluded to by others - many would probably prefer not to play with him in the future regardless. And this may thus be counterproductive.

And to an extent, I would agree that banning the main account (the one that gained in K/D) could be a suitable punishment. But I've not looked into the logs enough to tell if that would have been warranted or not. Plus, we're probably somewhat still not used to tracking (and therefore K/D whoring) being a part of the game again, so the idea of removing the account because of that might not have originally come up because of that.

But perhaps most importantly, I'd say it would be a little dubious to go back and change the punishment on the same action after the fact. Though if this were to happen again, the punishment would surely be more sever than it was now.


All in all, great work, Bart! Thanks for keeping people honest!

you may not but many do, point is unfair advantage can be done and not be caught by your anticheat
.. remember are good buddy pit23 lol, yous never caught him nor your anticheat caught him... just ban him from game

you can't say theres is no kiddie undected cheat for this game. pretty god dam sad and pathedic if people really need a cheat on a 20 year old game lol..  , I can prove you wrong but I would'nt lower myself to these lowlifes

I'm sure you're right. There are always cheats that are impossible to detect with software. People have nowadays built ways of cheating that don't involve any software on the machine you're playing on. This would be impossible to detect with anticheat on the machine.
There's also other external things they could use to give them an advantage.

And this would be true even if we had a 100% accurate anti cheat (which we surely don't).
As I'm sure you're aware, cheating is also present in areas where a lot more money is spent trying to counter it. Think of sports. The mainline thinking seems to that if it's not explicitly forbidden (or if they simply cannot detect it) it's fair game.

So while I understand the frustration. And I'm not claiming there's no players on 25Assist that don't use cheats external to the game (be it software or hardware). But there's only so far we can go with what we've got available (i.e existing anti cheat and our limited capabilities of expanding it).

I don't know if this dude is using or not can give 2 shits, but in spector mode he's funny as shit watching his game play after every kill he stops for 2 sec or so, maybe toggle on and toggle off who knows lol..
regarding sound i agree sound makes a big difference, but if a player isn't moving and not making a sound explain how this guys runs directly to his target every round?? lol  so i see why tommy suspects him

btw by him making a video of him playing means nothing lol,

I also agree that this view of the video can look somewhat suspicious (only referring to the very last jump).
But we don't know how many corners he jumped around without seeing anyone.
And even if this was the only corner he jumped around it wouldn't prove anything. Sometimes you just get a gut feeling. And sometimes that gut feeling is correct.

The video provides just one example. It proves nothing.
If you observe someone for long enough, you can probably find similar instances for near about any player.

EDIT: The answer in the last part is not necessarily directed at you, Wickid.

The account for the aao25.com forum is NOT the same as the account for the 25Assist launcher.

To create and manage a 25Assist account, follow the direction under the "Assist account" section at the top of this website.

The account you've listed already has the honor you've requested.

The account by the name you've got on the forums is a relatively new one with 16 honor.
It doesn't seem to be linked to any other accounts.