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Re: Using mouse macros in 25Assist is now detected.
« Reply #30 on: Friday, September 12, 2014, 17:33:19 PM »
That's true, That use of macro, greatly benefits those who use it as weapon like m16 is automatic ... and our m16 who does not use it, out of 3 in 3 shots while the wearer goes out automatically, impossible to compete with someone who uses ...

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Re: Using mouse macros in 25Assist is now detected.
« Reply #31 on: Friday, September 12, 2014, 17:39:25 PM »
Just to clarify this whole mouse software/macro presets argument;

When you buy a mouse you're essentially buying a 'naked' piece of hardware. Most of the advanced mouses companies offer their own respective applications/software so that you can further enhance the usability and adaptability of the mouse to your liking --from changing mouse sensitivity on both X and Y angles, pressing sensibility, mouse acceleration...to having 5 or so buttons available to your needs.

Once you change these settings, they'll become an integral part of how your mouse works thus rendering them definitive changes. So far as I am aware the aforementioned is allowed and will not get you banned per say. I emphasise: Permanent mouse tweaks such as the one above should be tolerable.

In essence; having expensive mouses that come with a uber-software will not get you banned. Tweaking your mouse settings, saving them, opening AA and playing won't get you banned either. However, setting up macro actions, two-step tweak settings, key bindings and the likes will. It's as simple as that. No matter how hard you look at it, the only way you'll get yourself a ban is if you try too hard to tweak your mouse to adapt the lack of skill you may suffer from -- if you're smart enough to do that then you're smart enough to know that you're not being banned because of your mouse but because of your conscious actions.
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Re: Using mouse macros in 25Assist is now detected.
« Reply #32 on: Friday, September 12, 2014, 17:45:43 PM »
Couldn't have said it better Dan.
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Re: Using mouse macros in 25Assist is now detected.
« Reply #33 on: Friday, September 12, 2014, 18:22:52 PM »
Using ignorance as an excuse you only prove one thing.. your ignorance.
Come back in a week.

Ignorance? I? So I'm a little disappointed by this ban have taken that to me was unfair eliz, without even having been warned or anything! Ate because as far as I know no macro and xiter! or e? Because after so many years of AA so now decide to do this? without at least to consider the fact ate because everyone use configuration and a mouse and not do miracles! See much deny cries coming here saying this and that! If you look straight my longest playing time maps are in SF and not with M16 where it needs macro!

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Re: Using mouse macros in 25Assist is now detected.
« Reply #34 on: Friday, September 12, 2014, 18:34:51 PM »
That's true, That use of macro, greatly benefits those who use it as weapon like m16 is automatic ... and our m16 who does not use it, out of 3 in 3 shots while the wearer goes out automatically, impossible to compete with someone who uses ...

And when playing with 2 accounts on the same server at different times, not elp you? Logico yes lucas! How do you or did not care and yet no one here has done absolutely nothing about it, and yes that anti-game!

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Re: Using mouse macros in 25Assist is now detected.
« Reply #35 on: Friday, September 12, 2014, 18:53:39 PM »
Ignorance? I? So I'm a little disappointed by this ban have taken that to me was unfair eliz, without even having been warned or anything! Ate because as far as I know no macro and xiter! or e? Because after so many years of AA so now decide to do this? without at least to consider the fact ate because everyone use configuration and a mouse and not do miracles! See much deny cries coming here saying this and that! If you look straight my longest playing time maps are in SF and not with M16 where it needs macro!
Macros are not and NEVER WERE allowed. It's just that now, thanks to ELiZ, we've come to a point where we can DETECT them.

As for not getting a warning warning:
Ignorantia juris non excusat
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Re: Using mouse macros in 25Assist is now detected.
« Reply #36 on: Friday, September 12, 2014, 19:49:53 PM »
I my opnion, the macro is not allowed, ok? correct? ok, but, in the first time, I think that, the admins of AA could have warned the players and after this, in second time, if the players don`t stop using this, then banned all that using this, but, the admin decided this, I love this game, but is a bankrupt game, you can say to me that no and etc, I ask to you, how many players play AA everyday? 50? 40? Have the many fps game that everyday beat records of players with 1500 players or above this, and admins from AA banned my members cuz 1 or 2 members used macro?! Spare me..  But, YOU will remembers when this game hasn`t more players. And this is next to happen. Alright, if you give a second chance to some uC members, I never user cheater or macro, I understood the view of point by admin, but in my opnion was very severe. Think about, and give a second chance to everybody, You gave a second chance to guys that used cheater 6 months ago... what is macro thereabouts? I don`t want press you, but if you don`t give a second chance, we will go to insurgency game...

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« Last Edit: Friday, September 12, 2014, 19:59:42 PM by Branco »

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Re: Using mouse macros in 25Assist is now detected.
« Reply #37 on: Friday, September 12, 2014, 19:57:47 PM »
I'd like to point out that you've had the opportunity to read what is and what isn't allowed by agreeing to the TOS when you first downloaded Assist and with every update that has occurred. That was your warning.

In case you agreed to it without reading;
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The Assist Developers ("Devs") consider cheating through the use of "unauthorized third party programs" a violation of this TOS agreement. An "unauhthorized third party program" is defined, but not limited to, any alteration or add-on that:
   (i) enables or facilitates cheating of any type;
   (ii) allows users to modify or "hack" the AA graphical user interface, environment, and/or experience in any
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The Licensee is considered violating the Terms of Service if you, the Licensee:
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   (viii) Use or distribute "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility"
                        software program or applications.

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Any violation of this License will result in a termination followed by a permanent ban without notice to the Licensee.
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Re: Using mouse macros in 25Assist is now detected.
« Reply #38 on: Friday, September 12, 2014, 20:09:31 PM »
Yes, I understood this, but 6 months ago, you admins from AA, gave a second chance to cheaters that exceed all rules, then now, by macro you banned the players, I can`t understood this, 2 months ago, the players(ba..lucas) that put the second account on game to see other players playing in other team, YOU applied the punishment of 1 week without play, and now by macro you banned forever this account of my members... Sincerely, I`m disappointed with admins.... In my opnion you admin before this ocassion, you can give a second change to my members... think about this, I will not tolerate this atitude of my members in the clan, could you think about? please?

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Re: Using mouse macros in 25Assist is now detected.
« Reply #39 on: Friday, September 12, 2014, 20:19:38 PM »
I my opnion, the macro is not allowed, ok? correct? ok, but, in the first time, I think that, the admins of AA could have warned the players and after this, in second time, if the players don`t stop using this, then banned all that using this, but, the admin decided this, I love this game, but is a bankrupt game, you can say to me that no and etc, I ask to you, how many players play AA everyday? 50? 40? Have the many fps game that everyday beat records of players with 1500 players or above this, and admins from AA banned my members cuz 1 or 2 members used macro?! Spare me..  But, YOU will remembers when this game hasn`t more players. And this is next to happen. Alright, if you give a second chance to some uC members, I never user cheater or macro, I understood the view of point by admin, but in my opnion was very severe. Think about, and give a second chance to everybody, You gave a second chance to guys that used cheater 6 months ago... what is macro thereabouts? I don`t want press you, but if you don`t give a second chance, we will go to insurgency game...

Thank You everybody.
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You ask for second chance = You are given a second chance, come back after 1 week.
You ask second chance on the current account = No that doesn't make sense at all, because nobody knows how long you have used macro for which obviously has doubled your stats in which I am about to call you a (frag whore) that cares about his stats. Let's look back, cheaters never had a chance to comeback on their accounts, everyone that was banned on any case, whatever it was cheating, tweaking and so on had to start with fresh start so that doesn't makes sense to make macro users so special from others.

You want warning? What warning you talking about? Like spanky stated there is TOS that you should read. Cheaters and other kind of brake rulers that were banned never had a warning, lets look back, it was something like this, Eliz updated the anti cheat, made first post announcing the cheater list....so its the same situation, at least cheaters and others didn't cry about it, deal with it because it won't help you any further.

Your excuses don't make any sense, don't think you are so special from others who were banned. I would take that trash out of your mouth and I would not waste any time discussing dead thread about your pathetic excuses. Nobody had warnings in the past so don't complain and start your lame complainant being banned.

P.S I still can't believe people so desperate for stats, jesus, its an old ass game and you achieve basically nothing, play for fun with your friends...
« Last Edit: Friday, September 12, 2014, 20:40:13 PM by Vilkas »

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Re: Using mouse macros in 25Assist is now detected.
« Reply #40 on: Friday, September 12, 2014, 21:08:28 PM »
You ask for second chance = You are given a second chance, come back after 1 week.
You ask second chance on the current account = No that doesn't make sense at all, because nobody knows how long you have used macro for which obviously has doubled your stats in which I am about to call you a (frag whore) that cares about his stats. Let's look back, cheaters never had a chance to comeback on their accounts, everyone that was banned on any problem, whatever it was cheating, tweaking and so on had to start with fresh start so that doesn't makes sense to make macro users so special from others.


Guys, if this is applied for one, must be applied for everyone.. You talked about up stats using macro, but.. Up stats using 2 acounts ? It's not the case now, i known, but if serves for one, must be for everybody.

And Guys, 99,99% of the players didnt read the Terms of the game.. You all known this.. I think that one week banned is sufficient. And this isn't hack, that makes you see through the walls,  weapon no recoil, those things that make the player a God. I respect admin decisions, but like another cases, one week was good.. And if the guy when returns, be catching using macro, you can ban indeterminately..

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Using mouse macros in 25Assist is now detected.
« Reply #41 on: Friday, September 12, 2014, 21:23:25 PM »
Yes, I understood this, but 6 months ago, you admins from AA, gave a second chance to cheaters that exceed all rules
It was more like 2.5 years ago, when Assist was created. We ignored established banlists by anti-cheat groups and gave everybody the opportunity to start fresh. Our first hardware ban was in February of 2012 and since then, the banlist has never been emptied.

Guys, if this is applied for one, must be applied for everyone.. You talked about up stats using macro, but.. Up stats using 2 acounts ? It's not the case now, i known, but if serves for one, must be for everybody.
I'd love to catch all players using multiple accounts for stat padding. Problem is, we all have things to do in life, varying obligations. We can't watch servers 24/7. If you see someone abusing statistics, please, report them with evidence.

99,99% of the players didnt read the Terms of the game.
Not an excuse. Our TOS is pretty short and easy to read.

I think that one week banned is sufficient.
I'm glad we agree. We're just also eliminating the points/stats, gained from cheating, from the game.

And this isn't hack, that makes you see through the walls,  weapon no recoil, those things that make the player a God.
If it doesn't give you any advantage, why do you do it?
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Re: Using mouse macros in 25Assist is now detected.
« Reply #42 on: Saturday, September 13, 2014, 01:37:03 AM »
Just to clarify, because Barddal doesn't seem to understand this:
All the people who were banned are welcome to make a new account after a week of being banned and are then welcome to keep playing.
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Re: Using mouse macros in 25Assist is now detected.
« Reply #43 on: Saturday, September 13, 2014, 04:54:33 AM »
Guys, if this is applied for one, must be applied for everyone.. You talked about up stats using macro, but.. Up stats using 2 acounts ? It's not the case now, i known, but if serves for one, must be for everybody.

And Guys, 99,99% of the players didnt read the Terms of the game.. You all known this.. I think that one week banned is sufficient. And this isn't hack, that makes you see through the walls,  weapon no recoil, those things that make the player a God. I respect admin decisions, but like another cases, one week was good.. And if the guy when returns, be catching using macro, you can ban indeterminately..

Thanks in advance,
Jesso
You asked why we didn't warn, then we show we it is already in the TOS, and you excuse is that you didn't read, it, but you DID accept it. How would you want us to warn you then?

There are 3 ways you could've known it:
1. Reading the TOS which you AGREED to oblige to.
2. Seeing that people already got banned by autohotkey and commander.exe, just because you used an undetected program doing the same doesn't mean it's allowed
3. Common sense, you use external software to gain an advantage.

Yes, a wallhack is more severe, you are right, but that's why we allow you to come back after a week, we don't allow that for a wallhack, it's all perfectly in proportion. You decided to try getting better stats by using a macro, so those stats are faked, and you need to start with a new account again. It's very simple, and should be common sense.
Please tell me where I am wrong.

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Re: Using mouse macros in 25Assist is now detected.
« Reply #44 on: Saturday, September 13, 2014, 14:33:06 PM »
Good job Eliz. We now need to tackle the excessive use of F12 on servers.
In my opinion this is equivalent if not worse than the use of macros.
My tip is to display message to all players "AdminX is watching PlayerX now!".
« Last Edit: Saturday, September 13, 2014, 14:36:10 PM by mauriciomudryk »

 

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