Author Topic: AA2 Development roadmap (Read 121720 times)

zoxee · « **Reply #165 on:** Friday, August 09, 2013, 15:42:35 PM »

Quote from: KiLLaMaN on Friday, August 09, 2013, 14:39:47 PM

How does that prove anything? You do realize that all of the maps that were in version 1 are also in 2.5, right? Plus, why does Homey's opinion even matter? He's abandoned AA players for quite some time now. Support on Battletracker is almost no-existent. He doesn't even play the game.... His BT says he was last on in 2007. He has never played mAAp or the game in its current state.

true, but his "back to the roots" philosophy is the true way imo.
All entities in this world who fail sometime always make the same move :
recenter their activities on their core knowledge, what had made them
successful in the very first place.
Homey may never have tried the current version (strange to me that he
didn't even mention us) and gives a shit about us, but returning to that
"slow... tactical" atmosphere of the first AA is definitely the way to go.

Ganja · « **Reply #166 on:** Friday, August 09, 2013, 15:53:35 PM »

Quote from: zoxee on Friday, August 09, 2013, 15:42:35 PM

returning to that
"slow... tactical" atmosphere of the first AA is definitely the way to go.

So? What need to be changed? Why the word 'return'

zoxee · « **Reply #167 on:** Friday, August 09, 2013, 16:09:37 PM »

Quote from: Ganja on Friday, August 09, 2013, 15:53:35 PM

So? What need to be changed? Why the word 'return'

one more post to glory...

Ganja · « **Reply #168 on:** Friday, August 09, 2013, 16:13:53 PM »

So you still think i care about posts, what the hell man. In fact i was just wondering what your post meant. You use the word 'return' as if something had changed, so i wondered why, but it seems to be too much asked to have a normal discussion here

zoxee · « **Reply #169 on:** Friday, August 09, 2013, 16:21:35 PM »

I have many very concrete ideas that i will expose from mid of September on,
will start to work on mAAp as well. Currently it is impossible for me to do so
as my parents are moving from France to Germany over the summer for ever,
after 20 years spent in Frogland (already too much).
I am currently finishing the construction of their House, been at it almost since
Assist came out.

TheGumba · « **Reply #170 on:** Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 00:20:31 AM »

After 30 mins of reading this old thread I understand the need for the source code. I know the "Government Property" is the biggest hurdle in getting the source code, and as mentioned by the Dev who wrote back.."it would be faster to code 2.9 from scratch"..

Is it possible to consider buying the source code from them? I mean its an asset that they no longer need and maybe they might consider selling this particular asset.

Also... i understood we need coders, why not actually code 2.9? We can start a campaign on kickstarter? I honestly think that the community would get alot more exposure and that its possible to raise enough necessary to hire coders to create a new game in its entirety. These are just some ideas that i wanted to throw out there. I dont think setttling for what we got is enough. After all the work you guys put in, you as a community deserve more then 200 active players . To make it worth your work and effort, why not find a way to move forward?

Alex · « **Reply #171 on:** Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 00:47:02 AM »

Quote from: TheGumba on Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 00:20:31 AM

After 30 mins of reading this old thread I understand the need for the source code. I know the "Government Property" is the biggest hurdle in getting the source code, and as mentioned by the Dev who wrote back.."it would be faster to code 2.9 from scratch"..

Is it possible to consider buying the source code from them? I mean its an asset that they no longer need and maybe they might consider selling this particular asset.

Also... i understood we need coders, why not actually code 2.9? We can start a campaign on kickstarter? I honestly think that the community would get alot more exposure and that its possible to raise enough necessary to hire coders to create a new game in its entirety. These are just some ideas that i wanted to throw out there. I dont think setttling for what we got is enough. After all the work you guys put in, you as a community deserve more then 200 active players . To make it worth your work and effort, why not find a way to move forward?

The U.S. Army is not going to sell the source code to anyone. They're not going to put a game bearing the America's Army name in hands that they can't control. You also have to factor in that in order to do any work with the code we would need to license the Unreal Engine, which is very expensive.
Plus, we're not exactly in good standing with the people that would make that decision anyways. "Settling for what we have" is pretty much our only option at this point. The goal is to keep AA2 alive and make improvements on it.

Spanky · Quote from: ELiZ on Monday, February 16, 2015, 09:57:26 AM

We had a promising lead that could have turned into something much larger but it has died. What you see now is what you get. Unless, ELiZ and/or some other very talented coders come along to port more features or build a new version by reverse engineering.

TheGumba · « **Reply #173 on:** Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 02:08:15 AM »

What about the whole kickstarter idea? If there were enough funds raised, do you think it would be possible to put in some serious work into a complete whole new game? If a couple of coders could build what you guys have done, wouldnt it be possible to build a complete game?

Spanky · Quote from: ELiZ on Monday, February 16, 2015, 09:57:26 AM

Sure, a complete game is possible. It's been done many times. There's one on kickstarter (or it was) that aims to be a real small-scale combat simulator.

The problem is; no matter how hard you try, you will never reproduce America's Army on any engine other than UE2 and with any code other than the code the devs used. Even upgrading the UE2 engine up a few builds caused chaos back in the day with how mechanics were handled. We all see what happened when AA3 was released. So, anyone could create a new game, it just wouldn't be AA.

As far as kickstarter and retaining the AA code/engine, you then have the curious legal question of what happens when funds are sourced to pay people for their time/knowledge in editing code on a game for which they have no permission.

Leopardi · « **Reply #175 on:** Thursday, March 27, 2014, 05:20:14 AM »

Quote from: Spanky on Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 02:12:33 AM

Sure, a complete game is possible. It's been done many times. There's one on kickstarter (or it was) that aims to be a real small-scale combat simulator.

The problem is; no matter how hard you try, you will never reproduce America's Army on any engine other than UE2 and with any code other than the code the devs used. Even upgrading the UE2 engine up a few builds caused chaos back in the day with how mechanics were handled. We all see what happened when AA3 was released. So, anyone could create a new game, it just wouldn't be AA.

As far as kickstarter and retaining the AA code/engine, you then have the curious legal question of what happens when funds are sourced to pay people for their time/knowledge in editing code on a game for which they have no permission.

Nothing wrong with AA3, it just was rushed early and the development team kicked out... can't do judgements based on the alpha version that it still is.

Spanky · Quote from: ELiZ on Monday, February 16, 2015, 09:57:26 AM

Quote from: Leopardi on Thursday, March 27, 2014, 05:20:14 AM

Nothing wrong with AA3, it just was rushed early and the development team kicked out... can't do judgements based on the alpha version that it still is.

My point is that they set out to re-make the game on a newer engine. They failed because it was nothing like the AA2. People still enjoyed the game but it was nothing like AA1 and AA2. They finally figured that out with AAPG, it's an entirely different game.

If people set out to re-make AA2, it will fail/succeed just like AA3 did.

Koden · « **Reply #177 on:** Thursday, March 27, 2014, 20:14:36 PM »

Quote from: Leopardi on Thursday, March 27, 2014, 05:20:14 AM

Nothing wrong with AA3, it just was rushed early and the development team kicked out... can't do judgements based on the alpha version that it still is.

It's not like they really put the game on the straight way in all these years. I remember Airfield, and the coop mode, with those bots that kept on respawning... it almost looked like they didnt had milestones set for each matter. The trainings have been "coming soon" for 4 years. But instead they delivered some odd maps and modes, increasing the areas/matters that were lacking making it feel even more incomplete.
Even AAPG feels much more concrete all around at this stage.

Leopardi · « **Reply #178 on:** Friday, March 28, 2014, 05:12:40 AM »

Quote from: Spanky on Thursday, March 27, 2014, 16:55:58 PM

My point is that they set out to re-make the game on a newer engine. They failed because it was nothing like the AA2. People still enjoyed the game but it was nothing like AA1 and AA2. They finally figured that out with AAPG, it's an entirely different game.

If people set out to re-make AA2, it will fail/succeed just like AA3 did.

No, they failed because the game was rushed early and is still in the bugged alpha status. If it was released in christmas like the devs wanted, and the devs werent kicked out, I don't think we'd even have this whole AAO25 project since AA3 would be a game that you can take seriously.

Imagine all the snow maps etc. they were planning shortly after release. Now we got this stupid airfield coop after years of waiting.

BlackVelvit^ · « **Reply #179 on:** Saturday, March 29, 2014, 11:23:48 AM »

I seriously doubt if the Dev's had more time that the game would have turned out great. More than likely they got kicked out because it was time to cut losses on a product that was going to fall on its face in a very big way no matter what happened within that short period of time during the SDLC. They butchered a community by putting out such a piece of rubbish, putting out nothing would have been better than the shit they did.

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