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LOL, you keep mentioning hearing the enemy before they hear you... That is so pointless. That has no relevance on quality. That's just tweaking for gamers. Gamers NEVER have good quality stuff, it's all things pushed by companies with pretty lights on the products. It's like saying a F1 race car is the best car made because it goes fast. No it's not! It's engineered for a specific purpose and can't do much else. Logitech makes some nice gamer style keyboards and mice but they're not meant for durability or comfort, they're meant for looks and speed. Same for sound. Did you even read this thread about Creative's technology:
http://forums.creative.com/showthread.php?t=575067
Those sound cards are useless in modern games and since they don't sound good compared to a DAC, why are they around? Because of the misinformation that people like you believe.

I'm not arguing that neodymium aren't powerful. I'm simply saying that they're not immune either. Also, since speakers are moving parts, the style of magnet affects the sound and a lot of people prefer ALNICO's sound. Neodymium is only being used because they're cheaper and stronger but that doesn't always mean better. Just like the size of the headphone drivers you're talking about. 40mm has very little in terms of information about the sound quality. The way it's built is much more important than the size. That was one of the first things I learned about headphones.

Woofers with neodymium magnets from china are expensive because china recently increased the prices. China claims their neodymium reserve is low and so they made a "protection law" until the neodymium amount increases.

Best buy from USA.

Here's a fun fact for you, I had the chance to handle a neodymium magnet a few months ago in one of my physics classes. It was cylinder shaped, about 1.75inches tall and 1inch diameter. It was so strong I couldn't pull it straight off a metal surface unless I used both hands. I had to tip it on one end and then pull. That was the first time I ever ran into a neodymium magnet. Just random info for you.

Speaking of multiple subs, one time I came across someone whose intelligence vs. wealth were inversely proportional. He had 2 12inch subs in a room and claimed that when he had 1 12inch a few years ago it was better. Even told me that one sub from his new ones were more expensive than his old one. I wanted to punch the guy in the mouth so hard. I moved the subs around and made him eat his tears after I told him don't face the subs together ya cunt.

Finally we'r making some sense 8). But about the prices, actually at least here where I live, A good sound system from the 80's would probably have cost you the price of a few months of work (on the minimum salary), so it's not much difference.

The good thing is nowadays you get systems with good sound quality for dirty cheap.

And no, I know my logitech aren't anything you can really trust for an audiophile . BUT, haven't seen so much offer for such a low price. Even the best from creative which is slightly better cost like 500€ and have no digital plugs, you have to pay extra 150 or more for the decoder. Logitech Z5500 is really 505w RMS not that bad quality, at least mine doesn't make such crappy distortions, have a big rumble, and the best is they already have digital sound for 250€ (which is near the price of just one single medium fidelity speaker).

I already had\have 18.5 speakers (18 satellites and 5 subwoofers). 2x5.1 + 4x 2.1. And I do believe I had one more 2.1 which I'm not even remembering...

Speaking of multiple subs, one time I came across someone whose intelligence vs. wealth were inversely proportional. He had 2 12inch subs in a room and claimed that when he had 1 12inch a few years ago it was better. Even told me that one sub from his new ones were more expensive than his old one. I wanted to punch the guy in the mouth so hard. I moved the subs around and made him eat his tears after I told him don't face the subs together ya cunt.

I understand that pretty well. Most of us won't have a good place to have the speakers.

I remember one crappy 2.1 from creative which are the standards for (low-mid bidget of 50€) which are the standards as 2x6w + 17w subwoofer if I'm not mistaking. Here in my little full of things bedroom, they aren't anything impressive. But when I used them in a huge empty room full of metal and glass on the sides damnnnnnnn.

That crap sounded like I had a million dollars system for real lol, 17 w never sounded so much powerfull with all the probably 30 huge thin glasses shaking all over the place. All I could say is wtf, it was so damn loud. (the fidelity was million of years away, but it sounded powerful, and that makes me a happy customer ;D).

But the quality in my room DAMN, it's the worst you can get, even the Z5500 have trouble to make it rumble, but when I put it on the living room, it get's dangerous as everything starts shaking and falling down and whateva 

Yeah that sound system was insane, but you listen to hip hop and no music that requires quality, so you have a perfect system for your needs.

Totally agree. But still I have heard some good high fidelity modern systems in a proper room, they are like crystal, but are they good? (Hell they have a lot of quality, but I wouldn't buy them even if they were cheap).

And why would I not buy them? Well because my dream is a total different thing. Instead of having full range, I would prefer having lot's of different good drivers each producing a certain frequency, with a HUGE woofer for the bick kicks and punches, and a even bigger subwoofer for the rumbles, and EVEN with the addition of a rotary sub to get the lowest frequency ever possible.

And I even prefer John Lennon on a non high fidelity system, it sound so much more powerful with the subwoofer on the back making all the "chords" (don't know if that's the word) to a all new level.

Also even most modern good quality Hi-fi with the best wood, all hand built, freakin new designs from other planet... even them are adding subwoofers and other type of things which are totally against the original Hi fidelity.

But you have to agree that the so called Hi fidelity term just simply changed it's concept, as there are newer ones distortions free with less input lag and all kind of things which also sound different than the original concept, in my opinion they sound better. (But one thing that almost never changed are the studio sound systems, they are at it's best, and still try to be all range speakers). Therefore Hi-fidelity term doesn't totally exists, and it's a term wich is in a constant changing.

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Oh and actually my father is just like you, he has ton's of vinyls from all the old bands, he specially loves john Lennon, Vivaldi, composers, Beatles...., and actually my father kinda stolen my X-mini II  >. He loved the quality of the little speaker and got so impressed by how such small crap can sound so damn good. He never hear music on the laptop speakers anymore.

And he actually prefer when I'm playing Nirvana or John Lennon... in my 9.3 system connected to the pc than the old good amplifiers and speakers from the 80's. Hell he even always tell me to increase the volume to make the windows to do the sound of the music   And he really had a nice sound system that me and my bro kinda destroyed  .

ps: Damn If I had millions you can bet I would make my dream true (having lot's of speakers, each playing only a certain frequency)  .

>>I know it's too much blahblahblah, but I do believe you will like to read :-X<<
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LOL, I know I overreacted, but do that with your speakers and you will see what I was talking.

The glasses were all big and kinda free to move in all metal thin stores, there was so much amplification and resonance in the room for real, it just sounded like those car crazy bastards that wasted thousand of $ for huge dirty power, but I was only running a crapy ~30w crappy system.


And about High fidelity. I guess modern high fidelity are changing to something like this:

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Some good sound of nowadays:

CES 2009: Sennheiser announces "world's best headphones"- the HD800s
By
Duncan Geere
on January 8, 2009 No Comments

sennheiser-hd800

 making quite a bold claim here - the world's best headphones. The HD800s apparently sound better than any other pair of headphones on the planet. I suspect that it might be difficult to prove that one to a jury - surely it's more than a little subjective?

But let's not quibble over that - it's beyond doubt that these are damn good. A brand new "RING" driver, developed specifically for these cans alone, can deliver an amazing 6Hz - 51kHz frequency response. For comparison, your average person on the street can hear about 20Hz to 20kHz. Unless you're an audiophile, therefore, you're not going to get much out of these. Sennheiser also claims an amazingly low 0.02% distortion.

Something modern and good, far from the best, but pretty damn good:

Yamaha intros A-S700 amp and CD-S700 CD player
By
Andy Merrett
on October 8, 2008 No Comments



Yamaha continues to push out its high-end audio products with the introduction of the A-S700 amplifier and CD-S700 CD player. Mercifully, both come without an iPod dock.

The amp can pump out 90W RMS power over two channels with a SNR of 98dB and frequency response of 10Hz-100kHz, and features Total Purity Audio Reproduction Technology.

And something more classic sound type, but with modern components (just like I said, everything nowadays is possible).

Acapella unveils new Violon & High Violon MKIV speaker set - beauty is in the ear of the beholder
By
Al W
on July 29, 2008 No Comments

(It sure as hell isn't in the eye)

German audio company Acapella Audio Arts is a household name amongst serious audiophiles and renowned for its dangerously high quality audio products, and in particular its Violon loudspeakers. Well, audiophiles, prepare to clasp the nearest ring binder to your waists and shuffle cautiously towards the gents; Acapella has just unveiled its latest Violon set - the Violon & High Violon MKIV.

Sporting the same external design as its predecessor, the MKIV features a patented ion plasma tweeter, a new updated crossover, internal cabinet modifications and advanced tuning techniques. The woofers have been overhauled and made larger. The large horns on the front have also been finished in Porsche Macadamia Metallic, giving this version of the speaker something much more reminiscent of a classic gramophone.

ps: I'm not being a smart-ass, I'm just showing that we still have good modern sound systems, some even pretty reliable to the so cald old term of high fidelity. And those I shown are approved by "audiophiles", and are even far from being at a true master studio of nowadays which have even more impressive components.
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If you guys'd come playing AA instead of making such a conversation, it would be very much active again

If you guys'd come playing AA instead of making such a conversation, it would be very much active again

Unfortunately, I've lost interest in both AA and this thread.