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Offline SF][-Sp4rTuX

My feedback for what it's worth
« on: Monday, February 01, 2016, 18:11:12 PM »
Hey there!

             So I am back in the game after many many years, i've already played several hours since and I wanted to share with you my thoughts in order to help make things better. As an exclusive Hospital player, I may not be right on some points but I sure do hope my post will be taken into consideration  :style: .

  • Glitch detector system: It is a really nice addition but IMO, it works "too well". For instance, when I get into a close fight, i like to hit C to crouch but sometimes, my finger rips on X to prone and then the detector triggers, shaking my screen, and making me lose instantly the fight. An activation delay of the detector would be a great addition because as everyone knows, AA is one of the most glitchiest game ever created and it's just too easy to trigger a glitch by mistake  :(.
  • RPG in Hospi: I know it has been discussed but yeah, I liked m203 better because now, its waaay too easy for the vip to rush helipad safely. People also tend to do crazy shit on wwroof since there is only one RPG spot/its in the last bracket.
  • Firerate: It may just be my imagination but shooting in single fire mod seems weird nowadays ?!
  • Flashbangs:  WAAAAAY too strong, it kills many options we had to counter rushs from Escort team. For example, now, if you're not camping deep, you're pretty much fucked if you're waiting behind the cars by Helipad stairs.
  • Self field-dressing: I liked this option in the last versions of AAO  :cool:
  • Stamina system: Looks a little bit buggy to me


I'll add more things later if I find anything else.

Thanks for reading!

« Last Edit: Monday, February 01, 2016, 18:13:21 PM by SF][-Sp4rTuX »

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Re: My feedback for what it's worth
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 01:44:21 AM »
Undortunately, since shooting while going prone is a bug, I see no reason to change hackhunter on that point.
You can, however, change your prone button to something you can't hit accidentally so easily.

Removing 203 and adding RPG to Hospital were community votes.

You're right, you can't spam single fire as fast as possible. It's limited to how long the actual fire animation takes in the game.

Flashbangs are less effective than they actually originially were on 2.5. They were changed to what they were on 2.8.

Field dressing yourself was a feature in later versions of the game (2.8 I believe), this one doesn't have that feature. We use 2.5 because of mac/linux compatibility and other problems on trying to move to 2.8.5 (it has been attempted and ELiZ put many an hour into it).

Stamina is a little weird sometimes, but it's exactly the way they have set it up originally.


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Offline Scorpy

Re: My feedback for what it's worth
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 05:38:14 AM »
i realy agree whit sf dude about the flash bangs, i think they are way to strong, if u use it ouside on hosp all get blind i the area. cant be right.  :cry:

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Re: My feedback for what it's worth
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 05:41:47 AM »
i realy agree whit sf dude about the flash bangs, i think they are way to strong, if u use it ouside on hosp all get blind i the area. cant be right.  :cry:
My flashbangs works like waterballoons, people wont get flashed. Then again Im blind from others flashes all the time, someone throws one at Urban and Im blind at CSAR. Oh well, I wouldn't mind if you'd get rid of them :)

Offline Scorpy

Re: My feedback for what it's worth
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 05:46:34 AM »
take the sunglasses on and stop drinking  :P

Offline SF][-Sp4rTuX

Re: My feedback for what it's worth
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 10:11:05 AM »
I don't think the "shooting while going prone is a bug"  argument is valid. We are talking about executing one of the most basic action a game can offers. I agree about creating countermeasures to block abnormal "advanced" commands used for the sole purpose of triggering a glitch (like fast swapping), but this?! It reminds me of this american server, where it was forbidden to jump because" it would mess with the hitdetection system" or some other excuses because the admin there couldn't adapt to a legit aspect of the game.

Almost every features in this game is bugged, what is next if we follow this way? Forbidding to nade people who are handling a nade?  :? (if you do so and if you only hurt you target, it wont be able to use any item anymore and then become an easy kill).

It's a great thing you asked the community about chosing m203/RPG on Hospital. However it has been proven that community doesn't know shit about balancing in videogames  :D . Take a look at any MOBA/MMORPG forums or even CSGO/BF4 if you dont believe me.
Anyway I have the certitude that it would be better for the game integrity and for everyone to balance things accordingly to the greater good and not to the preferences of any players. Have you ever thought about creating a team of "wise players" dedicated to balance things in the game?

No offense intented, I really appreciate the work you put to keep the game alive, but what's up on your argument with the flashbangs?! It has been corrected in version 2.8.3 for this reason:
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The flashbang has been tuned a bit to make it more realistic. The effectiveness has been reduced when used outdoors. Also the blackout duration has been reduced.
Why do you talk about version 2.8? Shouldnt be the game as close as the last version published? Now, the way you replied, looks like that you are trying to make the game the way you like it and not how it should be. :cry:

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Re: My feedback for what it's worth
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 10:25:54 AM »
The reason I talk about 2.8.5 is because it IS the last version of THIS game released. We will never make it like AA3 or AAPG/AA4, if you want to play one of those games, you can go ahead and do that.

Shooting while going prone IS a bug. There is no arguing about it. You're not meant to shoot while doing that, it's as simple as that. You're the first person I've ever seen to argue this. I've seen people complain about it before, but haven't seen someone claim it not to be a bug.


You're right, people generally don't know what they want nor what is good for the general good. They will say they want 1 thing and then a week later they want the opposite. But then again we have people like you complaining about things YOU don't like about the game and things that YOU would like to see different.
Believe me, there's been plenty of decisions we've made that don't go exactly the way majority voters voted because we know it to be better for the future of the game.


And to be quite honest, I've never changed this game in a meaningful way, most of the work has been done by other admins.


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Offline Galle

Re: My feedback for what it's worth
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 10:31:42 AM »
Prone shooting is a bug and now it is fixed in my mind. And about that you will do it by accident, well that happens for everyone when they started to play this game again. Trust me if I tell you that after 2 weeks you don't do it by accident anymore. It gets only a few hours to get used to it. See you at the game  :style:
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Re: My feedback for what it's worth
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 10:36:57 AM »
Just to add about the flashbangs.

You're right, they don't work exactly the way the did in 2.8.5. Back then they worked differently indoors and outdoors. But for us it works the same in both situations and that's changed to be the same as it was indoors in 2.8.5.
What you need to understand is that we don't own this game nor do we have access to it's source code. The stuff we've done could most accurately be described as a hack.


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Re: My feedback for what it's worth
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 11:30:09 AM »
You didnt understand me, I said 2.8 not 2.8.5 when you were talking about flashbangs. Anyway are you sure it works indoors as it used to in 2.8.5? It really seems overpowered there too..


I know that you have tons of people coming all the times to complain about things they don't like, however you should admit that the points I made, especially regarding RPG/m203 in hospi are true as in this current state SF Hospital is TOTALLY unbalanced between Escort and Ambush side. You know, i'm talking  by pure fairness, cuz as someone who spent his life on this map for multiple years, I can kick arses on it no matter what  :style: . Also, the devs themselves updated the map to delete RPG and put 203 on it, thats proves something, doesn't it?!  :)

Considering prone shooting, would it be possible to just block the action of shooting for a few ms instead of shaking the screen for several seconds?

Offline Galle

Re: My feedback for what it's worth
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 11:45:50 AM »
If you don't like the shaking just type shake 0 in console, problem solved  ;)
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Offline Ganja

Re: My feedback for what it's worth
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 12:47:37 PM »
Considering prone shooting, would it be possible to just block the action of shooting for a few ms instead of shaking the screen for several seconds?

That would just delete the sole purpose it has. Preventing people from using this as an exploit and kill the enemy during the first seconds while they're proning

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Re: My feedback for what it's worth
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 12:55:23 PM »
How could they kill the ennemy if they're unable shoot? ....

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Re: My feedback for what it's worth
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 13:02:54 PM »
The original devs didn't replace RPG with sf, they had sf all along and just removed the RPG because of ROE.

And you're right, Hospital is easier on one side, but it's always been this way.

I'm sure the time was put to the same number for flashes.

The reason I didn't distinguish 2.8 from 2.8.5 is because there were next to no significant changes between those versions (also seen by the fact that they didn't go to 2.9).

Prone shooting was alrady answered partly, but I'll add that your character is more difficult to hit while going prone because the hitbox is messed up. Back in the day people abused this fact buy abusing the bug. In order to tell people not to shoot while going to prone, we have this shake.

Once again, if we had the source to work with, there would be better ways of dealing with such things, but we can only work with what we have.


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Offline Bart!

Re: My feedback for what it's worth
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 13:13:56 PM »
You didnt understand me, I said 2.8 not 2.8.5 when you were talking about flashbangs. Anyway are you sure it works indoors as it used to in 2.8.5? It really seems overpowered there too..


I know that you have tons of people coming all the times to complain about things they don't like, however you should admit that the points I made, especially regarding RPG/m203 in hospi are true as in this current state SF Hospital is TOTALLY unbalanced between Escort and Ambush side. You know, i'm talking  by pure fairness, cuz as someone who spent his life on this map for multiple years, I can kick arses on it no matter what  :style: . Also, the devs themselves updated the map to delete RPG and put 203 on it, thats proves something, doesn't it?!  :)

Considering prone shooting, would it be possible to just block the action of shooting for a few ms instead of shaking the screen for several seconds?
There is 1 more difference with flashbangs in 2.8.5, your aim won't move away in that version when hit by a flashbang.

The main disadvantage of current hackhunter warning is that it triggers immediately when prone is pressed. Indeed with a cooldown it would stop more of the accidental warnings. But I am not sure whether this is possible.

 

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