Author Topic: Bans without "hard proofs" (Read 50093 times)

Possessed · « **Reply #45 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:24:25 AM »

Quote from: -NicK.! on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:21:54 AM

And I for one dont think that is a good reputation for these admins to have.

""We"" already have a bad rep. I thank Spanky for this xD

zoxee · « **Reply #46 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:26:03 AM »

Quote from: KiLLaMaN on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:21:30 AM

I seriously hope you're joking. Comparing a murder case to a video game is laughable.

i am, no worries

What bothers me is that u give the impression that this percentage of collateral damage
will be huge, which is non-sense. The reality is that Pit will eliminate 9 hackers out of 10
people, well sry for the last legit one, at least he will get away with his life

Believe me better that than catching 1 of 10 hackers and see the remaining 9 breaking
bad on our community servers, don't u think ?

Alex · « **Reply #47 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:27:09 AM »

Quote from: zoxee on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:26:03 AM

i am no worries
What bothers me is that u give the impression that this percentage of collateral damage
will be huge, which is non-sense. The reality is that Pit will eliminate 9 hackers out of 10
people, well sry for the last legit one, at least he will get away with his life
Believe me better that than catching 1 of 10 hackers and see the remaining 9 breaking
bad on our community servers, don't u think ?

1 person wrongly banned is 1 too many.

What I find the most disappointing about this thread is Pit's attitude. Apparently legitimate concerns are now "bitching."

zoxee · « **Reply #48 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:29:38 AM »

Quote from: -NicK.! on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:21:54 AM

Without proof you have nothing, without proof all there is to go by is your own feelings. I dont care if you think OJ was guilty or not, it turned out they did not have proof to convict him so they did not. That is how bans here should work. Banning people without proof is basically the admins saying "We think you are hacking, we cant prove it, but we run this game now so you cant do anything about it" And I for one dont think that is a good reputation for these admins to have.

This analogy is ridiculous, sry no offense. OJ was released and didn't murder again, kept quiet.
Whereas here as killa would say, is just a video-game, so non-convicted cheaters will feel strong
and will keep on cheating over and over again with even more energy, coz they know they owned u.

That's the big difference.

zoxee · « **Reply #49 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:39:47 AM »

Quote from: KiLLaMaN on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:21:30 AM

I seriously hope you're joking. Comparing a murder case to a video game is laughable.

Quote from: KiLLaMaN on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:27:09 AM

1 person wrongly banned is 1 too many.

Aren't u contradicting yourself somehow ?
First u state that this is just virtual reality, with no real consequences, but on the other hand
you use the word "banned" as if the person was really banned on some shitty Island...
Well no. the sanction will be just virtual, not able to access game-servers...
That's no drama for the guy, unless he has no real-life.

Alex · « **Reply #50 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:42:15 AM »

Quote from: zoxee on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:39:47 AM

Aren't u contradicting yourself somehow ?
First u state that this is just virtual reality, with no real consequences, but on the other hand
you use the word "banned" as if the person would really banned on some shitty Island...
Well no. the sanction will be just virtual, not able to access game-servers...
That's no drama for the guy, unless he has no real-life.

um, just because it's a game doesn't mean we shouldn't care about falsely banning people. We're taking away entertainment for people, that shouldn't be taken lightly.

Also, comparing it to murder is extreme and makes little sense, regardless of how you try to spin it.

zoxee · « **Reply #51 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:47:44 AM »

Well i just tried to add my stone to the discussion, now decide for yourselves,
it will be just fine to me coz i know u guys are reliable.

Alex · « **Reply #52 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:50:07 AM »

Quote from: zoxee on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:47:44 AM

Well i just tried to add my stone to the discussion, now decide for yourselves,
it will be just fine to me coz i know u guys are reliable.

I'm an admin and I don't even have faith in this decision. Why should anyone else?

Either way, I'm done with this topic until Pit responds, if he responds that is.

zoxee · « **Reply #53 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:51:06 AM »

Just remember what Julius Caesar once said : "Divide to conquer".
That's what cheaters relentlessly try to do with us. Don't let them.

-NicK.! · « **Reply #54 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 02:17:33 AM »

Quote from: zoxee on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:29:38 AM

This analogy is ridiculous, sry no offense. OJ was released and didn't murder again, kept quiet.
Whereas here as killa would say, is just a video-game, so non-convicted cheaters will feel strong
and will keep on cheating over and over again with even more energy, coz they know they owned u.

That's the big difference.

lmfao it was your analogy in the first place.

Ganja · « **Reply #55 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 03:49:24 AM »

Well well nice topic we got here. I believe its the only way of banning undetected hackers, so it has his positive side, but on the other hand, how can you be so sure someone uses wallhack or aimbot or smt else and others don't. How can you make a difference between tdidi and a hacker ... This is kinda impossible.

Refering to Denaturat case, I've been playing with him many hours and I know that guy is a pro spammer, he's been playing Bridge for 7 years and can spam you anywhere. Now you're accusing him of wallhacking, so I'm wondering if it's not a mistake, that's why a video would be good to see you're not mistaken, without pretending you're not right ...

I just can't imagine hhow hard it must feel to be banned as a clean player playing since 7 years. Now if he's a hacker, well done ...

pit-23 · « **Reply #56 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 07:53:41 AM »

Quote from: KiLLaMaN on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 00:33:46 AM

Pit, you can try to rule AA like a dictator, but you can't stop people from leaving. Keep using rules that could potentially punish legit players and you'll have nobody left to play the game.

I perfectly understand that you don't like this way of banning, I don't like it also, there is nothing likable in it. But please spare me this "Pit is a dictator and goes after good legit players" talk, cause this is not what is happening. And don't talk about "potential", there is always a potential for abuse when we control the auth system.

Quote from: KiLLaMaN on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:21:30 AM

I seriously hope you're joking. Comparing a murder case to a video game is laughable.

Just like comparing a ban to throwing people in jail...

Quote from: KiLLaMaN on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 01:27:09 AM

What I find the most disappointing about this thread is Pit's attitude. Apparently legitimate concerns are now "bitching."

Why you think I referred to all critic as bitching? By bitching I meant... well... bitching, there was a bit of it, wasn't it?

pit-23 · « **Reply #57 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 08:53:29 AM »

Quote from: KiLLaMaN on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 00:33:46 AM

Pit, you can try to rule AA like a dictator, but you can't stop people from leaving. Keep using rules that could potentially punish legit players and you'll have nobody left to play the game.

One more comment regarding the "dictator" thing.

Does any of you remember how Jonny approached the topic of cheating, when he was here? Let me remind you: "if there is undetected hack, I will shut down the authorization". And he was not joking. Well, that makes me look like a "weak pussy" in comparison, doesn't it? I remember me arguing with him, and saying it would be like nuking the whole city because of a few terrorists in there. And I don't remember any of admins protesting then too much.

So shutting down the whole game was OK for you, and now you call me a dictator, because I made a few bans (with some being a _perfect_ hits, if you remember)? I find that funny.

Ganja · « **Reply #58 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 09:00:24 AM »

Someone had to do it, you did, now people have someone to blame, but I guess you're doing the right thing in such situations

MothaGoosE · « **Reply #59 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 10:00:26 AM »

This topic is asinine. Look. Bans should require proof (like they used to) because there is the possibility of banning legit players. You can claim to have a perfect streak all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you can still take a video and discuss it with other admins. Banning people on your own without consulting any of the other anti-cheat members when there is no proof <b>is</b> abuse of authority. Abuse of authority <b>will</b> destroy what's left of the community if it lasts too long. Is that worth catching a few more possible cheaters? Are you kidding me?

In addition to this, you also appear to be making these rash decisions without running them by other members of the staff, which is total bullshit because even I know that running Assist is a team effort. The last thing it needs is a breach of trust among the staff.

Back to the point: You must provide evidence if you honestly care about the truth. Otherwise you should lock this topic and abuse authority further by putting these rules in place anyway.

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