Author Topic: Bans without "hard proofs" (Read 53424 times)

R!$kX · « **Reply #90 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 16:41:32 PM »

That would be a great argument zoxee, if the player in cause was a hacker.

The intention is not crucifying anyone, but to call someone into his sense to realize this is a mistake, nothing more.

Oh and zoxee, im active here, just because i dont post frequently it doesnt mean that im not active ...

MothaGoosE · « **Reply #91 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 16:41:54 PM »

Quote from: zoxee on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 16:31:18 PM

Even if u guys consider what Pit is doing as fucked up, it's always soooooooo easy to criticize when
you're not in charge... wtf u want, take his place ? well do it, but pls stop camouflaging your intentions
under that purity and justice-for-all BS, it just stinks.

Just like in politics, as long as someone's in the opposition, they talk about how the government is doin BS,
promises new hopes, milk honey and work for all but as soon as the come to power, they act exactly
as their predecessors or even worse... because they have to face reality.

I guess if we had a "weak pussy" in charge, the hacker problem would be much greater today.

Intentions are irrelevant. Evidence isn't biased and it doesn't have an opinion.

zoxee · « **Reply #92 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 16:54:54 PM »

Talkin about "hard Proofs", i still got this one in my throat, still active, no proof, no ban.

http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/800926/%21The_Engineer%21/

ProGamers might be twice maybe thrice as good a s the normal player,
but when the ratio reaches x5 x6 or above, then i guess i shit on any evidence sry.

MothaGoosE · « **Reply #93 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 16:56:19 PM »

Quote from: zoxee on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 16:54:54 PM

Talkin about "hard Proofs", i still got this one in my throat, still active, no proof, no ban.

http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/800926/%21The_Engineer%21/

ProGamers might be twice maybe thrice as good a s the normal player,
but when the ration reaches x5 x6 or above, then i guess i shit on any evidence sry.

This is not the place to post that. Post it in Cheater Submission.

zoxee · « **Reply #94 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 16:58:00 PM »

Quote from: MothaGoosE on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 16:56:19 PM

This is not the place to post that. Post it in Cheater Submission.

if u read the forums the thread exists and is 3 months old.
It was just an example of what kind of failure ur system would be.

[Majestic]tidididi · « **Reply #95 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 16:58:56 PM »

Fuck, I've lost half of my day to read and write in this thread, and I have still only 8 internetz

MothaGoosE · « **Reply #96 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 17:00:42 PM »

Quote from: zoxee on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 16:58:00 PM

if u read the forums the thread exists and is 3 months old.
It was just an example of what kind of failure ur system would be.

You've got to be trolling. I don't believe you're this much of an idiot.

zoxee · « **Reply #97 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 17:02:24 PM »

Quote from: MothaGoosE on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 17:00:42 PM

You've got to be trolling. I don't believe you're this much of an idiot.

why do u always have to take everything i say to the 1st degree and be so offensive,
keep cool. I have no problem with u.

MothaGoosE · « **Reply #98 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 17:04:20 PM »

No, I mean you really are serious?

Look, I don't have a problem with you either, but what I'm implying is that one example from 3 months ago is fewer casualties than have already been caused by pit's method.

zoxee · « **Reply #99 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 17:14:56 PM »

Quote from: MothaGoosE on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 17:04:20 PM

No, I mean you really are serious?

Look, I don't have a problem with you either, but what I'm implying is that one example from 3 months ago is fewer casualties than have already been caused by pit's method.

Well m8, if u had read the long thread concerning this guy, it illustrates exactly the problem
we have today. Banning noob kid cheaters who just bought some hack and have a tracker
with 500 kills and a FR of 5, 6 or 7 ispretty easy and not the issue here.

We are talking here about the dangers of banning someone who is not easy to convict because
his case is blurred, either many years of gameplay, or using just 1 single advantage that he
masters perfectly like an undetected private WH+SS blocker only for example.

This guy i just mentioned didn't lose time to hop on the forum and state that he is a family guy,
hast a legit job a dog and a garden and only plays because he loves the game, hosts a server
bla-bla etc in a very mature way... Well there was no hard proof to explain his fishy sessions
or his 6.12 FR on Border with 11.000 kills and he went away with it, continuing to pawn 24-0
sessions in total impunity.

That's what i am against sry.

MothaGoosE · « **Reply #100 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 17:19:25 PM »

Quote from: zoxee on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 17:14:56 PM

Well m8, if u had read the long thread concerning this guy, it illustrates exactly the problem
we have today. Banning noob kid cheaters who just bought some hack and have a tracker
with 500 kills and a FR of 5, 6 or 7 ispretty easy and not the issue here.

We are talking here about the dangers of banning someone who is not easy to convict because
his case is blurred, either many years of gameplay, or using just 1 single advantage that he
masters perfectly like a WH+SS blocker only for example.

This guy i just mentioned didn't lose time to hop on the forum and state that he is a family guy,
hast a legit job a dog and a garden and only plays because he loves the game, hosts a server
bla-bla etc in a very mature way... Well there was no hard proof to explain his fishy sessions
or his 6.12 FR on Border with 11.000 kills and he went away with it, continuing to pawn 24-0
sessions in total impunity.

That's what i am against sry.

I remember the engineer. He's a massive stat padder and camper, and only plays border and Ice. He plays like a dirtbag, but it doesn't mean he's hacking. He shouldn't be banned unless he's caught hacking - which requires proof.

zoxee · « **Reply #101 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 17:23:10 PM »

Quote from: MothaGoosE on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 17:19:25 PM

I remember the engineer. He's a massive stat padder and camper, and only plays border and Ice. He plays like a dirtbag, but it doesn't mean he's hacking. He shouldn't be banned unless he's caught hacking - which requires proof.

Dude, u play the game also, so pls be honest.
What kind of long-range aim does this guy have to make a 6 FR on a map like border... cmon.

btw he plays many other maps.

TheBlackGinger · « **Reply #102 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 17:26:46 PM »

Quote from: MothaGoosE on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 17:19:25 PM

I remember the engineer. He's a massive stat padder and camper, and only plays border and Ice. He plays like a dirtbag, but it doesn't mean he's hacking. He shouldn't be banned unless he's caught hacking - which requires proof.

Guess not everyone grasped what I tried to say before so...

http://aao25.com/cheater-submission/uchihamadara/

Show me proof that I cheated. Got tons of other accounts but meh, same thing applies.

PS.: "they reported you", "you have a high KD", "they watched you", "they pmed admin about you hacking", "Evidence found (without posting it)" and co. are not valid proofs, since I cant defend myself against it.

MothaGoosE · « **Reply #103 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 17:30:33 PM »

Zoxee: Of course he's fishy, but that's all you've got. That's what I'm saying. Maybe he is a hacker, maybe he isn't, but what if he isn't? You play this game. You should know that spectating isn't enough to confirm a careful cheater. In addition, we all have our moments where we're just like "How the hell did I just do that?" I one-shotted some guy from across the map south outside in pipeline with a pistol back when I played 2.6. It was complete bullshit, but I don't hack. There's so much else to consider. High mouse sensitivity, sound whoring, ini tweaking, ghosting, stat padding. I don't like that kind of stuff (although I did tweak my ini in the past) but you can't just go ban happy.

zoxee · « **Reply #104 on:** Thursday, August 02, 2012, 17:34:42 PM »

Quote from: MothaGoosE on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 17:30:33 PM

Zoxee: Of course he's fishy, but that's all you've got. That's what I'm saying. Maybe he is a hacker, maybe he isn't, but what if he isn't? You play this game. You should know that spectating isn't enough to confirm a careful cheater. We all have our moments where we're just like "How the hell did I just do that?" I one-shotted some guy from across the map south outside in pipeline with a pistol back when I played 2.6. It was complete bullshit, but I don't hack. There's so much else to consider. High mouse sensitivity, sound whoring, ini tweaking, ghosting, stat padding. I don't like that kind of stuff (although I did tweak my ini in the past) but you can't just go ban happy.

take tidididi for example, he is a very good player.
He played 2500 hours on Pipe and reaches a very good FR of... 2.55 over 60000 kills

FR 6 is more than twice as good as already very good so what the fack is it in the end ?

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