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Offline Alex

Re: Bans without "hard proofs"
« Reply #60 on: Thursday, August 02, 2012, 14:55:44 PM »
One more comment regarding the "dictator" thing.

Does any of you remember how Jonny approached the topic of cheating, when he was here? Let me remind you: "if there is undetected hack, I will shut down the authorization". And he was not joking. Well, that makes me look like a "weak pussy" in comparison, doesn't it? I remember me arguing with him, and saying it would be like nuking the whole city because of a few terrorists in there. And I don't remember any of admins protesting then too much.

So shutting down the whole game was OK for you, and now you call me a dictator, because I made a few bans (with some being a _perfect_ hits, if you remember)? I find that funny.
Go find that thread and show me where I agreed with him. Go ahead. I'd love to see it. Not only are you avoiding the argument, but you're now accusing me of doing something I never did.

Also, the whole "the person before me was worse" argument is a very weak one and justifies nothing. The point is that you're compromising the integrity of the game just to "try" to catch a few cheaters. I put try in parenthesis because it isn't certain whether you're banning cheaters or not.
« Last Edit: Thursday, August 02, 2012, 15:00:16 PM by KiLLaMaN »

Jared

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Re: Bans without "hard proofs"
« Reply #61 on: Thursday, August 02, 2012, 15:13:16 PM »
:wanker:

Offline zoxee

Re: Bans without "hard proofs"
« Reply #62 on: Thursday, August 02, 2012, 15:29:55 PM »
it isn't certain whether you're banning cheaters or not.

As the cheat industry is always one step ahead and undetected hacks do exist,
chasing cheaters is like killing 2045 terminators from the distance using your grandpa's old rifle...
The aim ain't that good, sometimes u miss and kill some old rancher passing by  :D

Well too bad... But u wanna save the world, right ?  :style:
First time hot knifing hash oil, sent me to the moon, zombified. Not a whole lot of fun.

Offline MothaGoosE

Re: Bans without "hard proofs"
« Reply #63 on: Thursday, August 02, 2012, 15:34:07 PM »
Unban the people you banned without proof, spectate them and record it. This all falls back on you being too lazy/ignorant to do it. It's not that hard. You should follow Sergio's example and stop thinking you know it all. There is a reason he's the anti-cheat guy. You're making the staff look bad, how can you not see that? Assist banning someone is all the proof you need, but if you manually ban someone, you'd better be able to prove the person is guilty or it's just going to flood the forums with...well THIS SHIT.

and Zoxee, you have precisely no idea what you're talking about. You're argument is nonsensical.

Offline pit-23

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Re: Bans without "hard proofs"
« Reply #64 on: Thursday, August 02, 2012, 15:40:33 PM »
Go find that thread and show me where I agreed with him. Go ahead. I'd love to see it. Not only are you avoiding the argument, but you're now accusing me of doing something I never did.

I didn't say you agreed. I said you were quiet. Very quiet comparing to what you say now.

Also, the whole "the person before me was worse" argument is a very weak one and justifies nothing. The point is that you're compromising the integrity of the game just to "try" to catch a few cheaters. I put try in parenthesis because it isn't certain whether you're banning cheaters or not.

Can you just read the verbatim text I wrote, without creating additional intentions I had in mind? My point was not to criticize Jonny. I was writing about the scale of your reaction to my actions, by comparison.


Offline zoxee

Re: Bans without "hard proofs"
« Reply #65 on: Thursday, August 02, 2012, 15:40:33 PM »
Zoxee, you have precisely no idea what you're talking about. You're argument is nonsensical.

You want to achieve a clean victory in a conflict with no victims at all. this doesn't exist m8.

errare humanum est.
First time hot knifing hash oil, sent me to the moon, zombified. Not a whole lot of fun.

Offline Alex

Re: Bans without "hard proofs"
« Reply #66 on: Thursday, August 02, 2012, 15:44:30 PM »
I didn't say you agreed. I said you were quiet. Very quiet comparing to what you say now.

Can you just read the verbatim text I wrote, without creating additional intentions I had in mind? My point was not to criticize Jonny. I was writing about the scale of your reaction to my actions, by comparison.
I don't remember exactly what I said, but the likely hood that Jonny was going to go through with it was much less than you, where you already did. His was just a threat, yours was an action.

Offline MothaGoosE

Re: Bans without "hard proofs"
« Reply #67 on: Thursday, August 02, 2012, 15:44:36 PM »
You want to achieve a clean victory in a conflict with no victims at all. this doesn't exist m8.

errare humanum est.

Which is exactly why trying to ban all hackers and achieve a clean game is a foolish dream. There is only so much that is available to sacrifice. This community is circling the drain, so why finish it off before its time? I doubt if you'd be singing the same tune if you are a good friend of yours got banned and you knew it was bullshit.

Which, by the way: This thread is bullshit.

Offline zoxee

Re: Bans without "hard proofs"
« Reply #68 on: Thursday, August 02, 2012, 15:48:10 PM »
Unban the people you banned without proof, spectate them and record it. This all falls back on you being too lazy/ignorant to do it. It's not that hard. You should follow Sergio's example and stop thinking you know it all. There is a reason he's the anti-cheat guy. You're making the staff look bad, how can you not see that? Assist banning someone is all the proof you need, but if you manually ban someone, you'd better be able to prove the person is guilty or it's just going to flood the forums with...well THIS SHIT.

and Zoxee, you have precisely no idea what you're talking about. You're argument is nonsensical.

Theother alternative where i could agree with you is by accepting that this war can't be won,
because there will always be new cheaters, so making collateral damage among true legit players
would be unjustified and unbearable.

ok. But u have to finally decide for either one of the alternatives :

1. Let's take errors in count but waste as many hackers as possible
2. Let's understand this will never end, so let's always require proof.

choose.
First time hot knifing hash oil, sent me to the moon, zombified. Not a whole lot of fun.

Offline MothaGoosE

Re: Bans without "hard proofs"
« Reply #69 on: Thursday, August 02, 2012, 15:49:47 PM »
I don't remember exactly what I said, but the likely hood that Jonny was going to go through with it was much less than you, where you already did. His was just a threat, yours was an action.

The point, Pit: You are arguing for no evidence to be required in order to permanently ban people from the game. How do you expect to find evidence to back up your argument when your argument is about evidence being unnecessary? Evidence is the path to the truth. Do you care about the truth?

Offline R!$kX

Re: Bans without "hard proofs"
« Reply #70 on: Thursday, August 02, 2012, 15:50:40 PM »
I rather have that Major Skrewup guy here than this irrational no sense zoxee guy.

Skrewup may be immature but atleast he makes good points unlike zoxee who only talks trash

Offline [Majestic]tidididi

Re: Bans without "hard proofs"
« Reply #71 on: Thursday, August 02, 2012, 15:51:47 PM »
All admins decisions should be automatically accepted by us. Admins are for us, not players are for admins. They spend their free time to give us the best perspective to play. Just accept decisions and trust them.

Personally I trust in Pit. He is smart and he really cares about eliminate shit from our garden. Let him work without useless comments.

Offline zoxee

Re: Bans without "hard proofs"
« Reply #72 on: Thursday, August 02, 2012, 15:54:15 PM »
I rather have that Major Skrewup guy here than this irrational no sense zoxee guy.

Skrewup may be immature but atleast he makes good points unlike zoxee who only talks trash

At least i'm active here and try to make my point.

Don't wank at my answers, write some urself.
First time hot knifing hash oil, sent me to the moon, zombified. Not a whole lot of fun.

Offline MothaGoosE

Re: Bans without "hard proofs"
« Reply #73 on: Thursday, August 02, 2012, 15:54:39 PM »
Theother alternative where i could agree with you is by accepting that this war can't be won,
because there will always be new cheaters, so making collateral damage among true legit players
would be unjustified and unbearable.

ok. But u have to finally decide for either one of the alternatives :

1. Let's take errors in count but waste as many hackers as possible
2. Let's understand this will never end, so let's always require proof.

choose.

The thing is this whole thing will end sooner rather than later at this rate. This crusade would make sense for a game with a lot of players. There is no glorious battle against the hackers. If you find one and can prove it, get rid of him, otherwise stop screwing up Sergio's gig.

People's future in this game should not rely solely on trust in someone's judgement-without evidence.

Offline Alex

Re: Bans without "hard proofs"
« Reply #74 on: Thursday, August 02, 2012, 15:55:07 PM »
All admins decisions should be automatically accepted by us.
That is an awful way of looking at things.

 

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