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Ban appeal
« on: Friday, July 18, 2014, 19:02:29 PM »
Hi,

I would like to appeal the ban on my account as listed below:

PlayerName: R4ley2
BattleTracker ID:http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/845928/

Reason: Banned for ROE.# - SF Hospital -29,526   [HT]-HERO-TURTLES s1

OK. So I got this ROE score in 40 minutes - I was killing nurses, and this particular server has a VERY high ROE limit. It isn't even possible to get the score in 40 minutes killing fellow players for heaven sake. I'd get TKed back before I even had a chance to get even close to that kind of score in that time.

If I go round killing NPCs (nurses etc) - I'm not hurting anyone else, I don't see the problem.

I can understand a ban for that level of TKing, but not for nurses - I think that is totally unfair, as you don't even warn about this anywhere - do you think I would bother if I knew there was a risk of a ban? As such I don't think this week long ban is fair, and I would be grateful for it to be revoked.

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Re: Ban appeal
« Reply #1 on: Friday, July 18, 2014, 19:16:28 PM »
That's correct, I did indeed TK some fellow members a few times - they started TKing me as I was killing nurses, so I TKed them back.

Seriously though - why would you care if someone is going around killing non-player characters, enlighten me? Even so, I can stop doing it now knowing that I risk a ban for doing so, however silly I think this rule is.

Anyway, perhaps it wasn't right of me to TK them, but I got annoyed and did, as I wasn't hurting anyone prior to that. After that I carried on killing nurses. I've done it before and no one gave a crap. But anyway.

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Re: Ban appeal
« Reply #2 on: Friday, July 18, 2014, 19:29:52 PM »
I know you cared when I started TKing real players (back); that's why you reported me after all. I was talking about nurses.

Funnily enough you said and did nothing when I was initially TKed. I think you must have seen my ROE and assumed I was TKing many players.

But anyway, I TKed them back and they TKed me back; this went on for a several rounds, that's why I didn't stop immediately when you warned me. It did stop eventually however- while you were on the server no less. I even returned to that server after that, prior to the ban, with no problems.

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Re: Ban appeal
« Reply #3 on: Friday, July 18, 2014, 21:04:47 PM »
That's the thing though, when I was killing the nurses, none of my teammates were anywhere near me, including the player who started killing me. I don't think this had any significant impact on my teammates performance.

But say that's true, never mind my reasons for choosing to kill the nurses, the ban is still harsh, especially given that most of that ROE came from killing nurses, not TKing players - but the ban is ostensibly for TKing players.  I simply didn't team kill that many times, for one thing, and at that,  I didn't do so without due provocation.

The logs will reflect this on the HT server. As well, my history/stats will otherwise show that I am not a serial TKer.

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Re: Ban appeal
« Reply #4 on: Friday, July 18, 2014, 22:36:34 PM »
Do you realize how much ROE you accumulated? You've played SF Hospital for 10 hours and have a net score of -29,526. That's is utterly ridiculous. Your ban is for just a week so just wait it out. It won't be lifted. Next time you get caught it'll be a one month ban, so cut it out.

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Re: Ban appeal
« Reply #5 on: Saturday, July 19, 2014, 00:01:33 AM »
Your ban is for just a week so just wait it out. It won't be lifted.

What?
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Re: Ban appeal
« Reply #6 on: Saturday, July 19, 2014, 00:04:11 AM »
What?
It won't be lifted until the time is up. i thought that was pretty obvious....

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Re: Ban appeal
« Reply #7 on: Saturday, July 19, 2014, 00:31:32 AM »
Probably should have said "It won't be lifted prior to it expiring, just wait the week".
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Re: Ban appeal
« Reply #8 on: Saturday, July 19, 2014, 01:41:14 AM »
Do you realize how much ROE you accumulated? You've played SF Hospital for 10 hours and have a net score of -29,526. That's is utterly ridiculous. Your ban is for just a week so just wait it out. It won't be lifted. Next time you get caught it'll be a one month ban, so cut it out.
Furthermore, if you look at our internal tracker (ELiZ's), you'll see he accumulated about half of it (-12,229 if I'm not mistaken) in 44 minutes.
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Re: Ban appeal
« Reply #9 on: Saturday, July 19, 2014, 06:44:11 AM »
Do you realize how much ROE you accumulated? You've played SF Hospital for 10 hours and have a net score of -29,526. That's is utterly ridiculous. Your ban is for just a week so just wait it out. It won't be lifted. Next time you get caught it'll be a one month ban, so cut it out.

Furthermore, if you look at our internal tracker (ELiZ's), you'll see he accumulated about half of it (-12,229 if I'm not mistaken) in 44 minutes.

That's rather my point - even for a deliberate TKer, it is hard to get this kind of score in that time frame. I don't think it is fair for as a ban, as it was for killing nurses and several retaliatory TKs, however ill advised that may have been. As you say yourself, I got this score on hospital, why no mention of other maps?

If mass killing nurses is a bannable offense for you, so be it, but this must be made clear to players who use assist. I don't think it is a fair to ban as such. I request it be lifted, even if a second such offense is to have a penalty of a month.

=SKUL=SherminatorPT, I did not remove any of the posts other people made. Do you think admins would give banned players the power to do that in a thread where they are appealing their own bans?

Offline Bart!

Re: Ban appeal
« Reply #10 on: Saturday, July 19, 2014, 07:24:39 AM »
Well, ROE is there for a reason, we get a notification when someone goes over a threshold of roe, you went over it, now just follow the rules of engagements over a week.

We can not see whether you killed nurses or not, but ROE is there for a reason. It could just as well be intentional teamkills. Either way of playing is bad because you wont be helping the team by killing nurses, you just show your position, waste ammo and be one useless player for the team. It's all griefing.

See you in a week, topic locked.
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Re: Ban appeal
« Reply #11 on: Saturday, July 19, 2014, 08:44:31 AM »
I know the topic is,locked, but just to clarify, I deleted the posts, because only admins and appealers are allowed to post in these threads.
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