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Assist => News => Topic started by: Spanky on Friday, September 13, 2013, 23:47:54 PM
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With a LOT of work from ELiZ, a new version of Assist has been rolled out. This version reverts changes that were made in previous versions. Although we have tested this version, there may be unforeseen issues so please post them in this thread.
There is a new Terms of Service Agreement that you must read and agree to in order to start Assist. This is only shown once and every time Assist gets updated. Please read it to understand what Assist does and what is and is not allowed.
Thank you all for your overwhelming support and words of encouragement!
Visit the Info (http://aao25.com/info) page on this site for a download link.
NOTES:
Server owners will have to re-download dedicated binaries to update Assist. These can be found on the Info page as well.
Bugs/Fix
On Linux you will have to set the flag to allow it to run, same for both client and server
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The linux version won't work once reverted back do we have a direct download?
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Probably should have included that tidbit of info from ELiZ... See the original post.
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Have fun everyone.
In the next few days, I'll be fixing up things in the background that was not completely setup for the re release of the Auth Service.
It is things that don't affect you as players, but will improve things security wise on the server.
I'll try to make eventual downtime of the auth service at times where there are as few people logged in as possible,
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Have fun everyone.
In the next few days, I'll be fixing up things in the background that was not completely setup for the re release of the Auth Service.
It is things that don't affect you as players, but will improve things security wise on the server.
I'll try to make eventual downtime of the auth service at times where there are as few people logged in as possible,
Everybody give this man a round of applause.
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Easiest fix was the direct download it is working now.
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DO you think it might be possible to get a setup in Assist to connect to local, especially for thos eo fo us who run server on a server in our local lan. Would be a big help f we could use assist to connect.
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DO you think it might be possible to get a setup in Assist to connect to local, especially for thos eo fo us who run server on a server in our local lan. Would be a big help f we could use assist to connect.
I'm betting that's a Linux-only problem OR a problem with your firewalls/router. I ran a test server on my local server and connected to it to play with ELiZ earlier. Worked fine.
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Restarted the linux servers. Running in unauth mode. picker.u was sitting in the System directory, but not configured in the .ini - deleted it but still getting unauth status. Only using SOTChatLogger.u and openslots.u
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I'm betting that's a Linux-only problem OR a problem with your firewalls/router. I ran a test server on my local server and connected to it to play with ELiZ earlier. Worked fine.
I run a pretty sophisticated router that allows me to redirect all kinds of traffic. It should be showing up to where I can join it but all I get is the red x in ping and can not join. Server is throwing up some errors not sure if affecting game play there have been 9 players on it It is the top server right now.
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Shad, perhaps kill Assist and delete the aa25svr.ini?
dtruesdale, your query isn't getting to the server then. It has to go out and then come back into your external IP address. I run DD-WRT and aside from opening ports, didn't change anything.
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well it wasn't SOTChatLogger.u or openslots.u, removed those both from System and from the .ini
Something is borked, the linux server directories were essentially unchanged since assist went down. None of the servers were configured for cheats or mods before other than SOTChatLogger.u and openslots.u
It's not a mod, since now none are configured outside of what assist uses.
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well it wasn't SOTChatLogger.u or openslots.u, removed those both from System and from the .ini
Something is borked, the linux server directories were essentially unchanged since assist went down. None of the servers were configured for cheats or mods before other than SOTChatLogger.u and openslots.u
It's not a mod, since now none are configured outside of what assist uses.
It has to be something in the config/files. dtruesdale has a Linux server up and other servers are popping up.
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Shad, perhaps kill Assist and delete the aa25svr.ini?
Didn't work. Initially I edited System/aa25srv.ini for IdlePlayerKickRounds, FFScoreLimit, MaxAdmins, MaxSpectators and copied aa25srv.ini into the System/server folder which worked before. I see now that /server/aa25srv.ini gets put in each time server restarts - so maybe it's comparing the System one to the System/server one. If so, these items cannot be configured anymore?
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Assist has overwritten .ini files for some time now. On a dedicated server, I'm not sure what is to be edited or not.
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Everybody give this man a round of applause.
finally...hoohah...and of course clap clap clap clap clap clap
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Didn't work. Initially I edited System/aa25srv.ini for IdlePlayerKickRounds, FFScoreLimit, MaxAdmins, MaxSpectators and copied aa25srv.ini into the System/server folder which worked before. I see now that /server/aa25srv.ini gets put in each time server restarts - so maybe it's comparing the System one to the System/server one. If so, these items cannot be configured anymore?
It's looking like other servers are having this issue as well. Might be a problem with Assist. Could you try wiping one of your server's installations and starting fresh again?
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still getting UNAUTHORISED MODS DETECTED in the aa25.log
System> ls *.u
AA25Characters.u AGP_Gameplay.u AGP_Objects.u AGP_UI.u AssistQR.u Engine.u IpDrv.u SOTChatLogger.u UTelnet.u
AGP_AI.u AGP_Game.u AGP_Script.u AGP_Vehicles.u Auth.u Fire.u mAApFriend.u SpankyCameraTextureClient.u XInterface.u
AGP_Characters.u AGP_Interface.u AGP_Security.u Andromeda.u Core.u Gameplay.u mAApKActor.u TriggerLightReset.u
AGP_Effects.u AGP_Inventory.u AGP.u AntiPoke.u Editor.u HackHunter.u openslots.u UnrealEd.u
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Any way you could zip the *.u and *.ini from a server that has this problem?
Both the ones In \System\ and in \Server\
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Shad, check your Engine.GameEngine:
[Engine.GameEngine]
CacheSizeMegs=96
UseSound=False
VoIPAllowVAD=False
ServerActors=UTelnet.TelnetServer
;ServerActors=-{DG}-Crusade13.dgcrusade
ServerActors=mapvote.dgcrusadec
;ServerActors=mAApFriend.mAApLoader
ServerActors=antipoke.logoloader
ServerActors=antipoke.SAIReplicator
ServerPackages=AntiPoke.u
ServerPackages=Core
ServerPackages=Engine
ServerPackages=Fire
ServerPackages=Editor
ServerPackages=IpDrv
ServerPackages=GamePlay
ServerPackages=AGP_Effects
ServerPackages=AGP_UI
ServerPackages=AGP
ServerPackages=AGP_Gameplay
ServerPackages=AGP_Characters
ServerPackages=AGP_AI
ServerPackages=AGP_Inventory
ServerPackages=AGP_Script
ServerPackages=AGP_Objects
;ServerPackages=mAApFriend
and then your AGP.StatsRouter:
[AGP.StatsRouter]
StatsDestinationClasses=class'AssistQR.u';
StatsDestinationClasses=class'Auth.u';
StatsDestinationClasses=class'HackHunter.u';
StatsDestinationClasses=class'openslots.u';
;StatsDestinationClasses=class'Deathguardiansa.dgcrusadea';
;StatsDestinationClasses=class'Deathguardiansb.dgcrusaded';
;StatsDestinationClasses=class'SOTChatLogger.ChatLogger';
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i was gonna say. i bet its in your AGP.StatsRouter
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I've found the issue....
At least it's something that I already fixed in the Server inside the Client.
I now fixed it in in the dedicated versions as well. I had to update the MD5 for Auth.u.
Download a fresh version and replace your Assist Dedicated Files
Windows
http://sourceforge.net/projects/aa25assist/files/Binaries/wdedisrv.zip/download
Linux
http://sourceforge.net/projects/aa25assist/files/Binaries/ldedisrv.tar.gz/download
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Ok Spanky Server is up and running through Assist now I will do what Eliz has posted and it should be 100% also fixed the Nat Loopback issue it is now 100%..........I am ready to have some fun........If you need anyone to do some testing let me know. I am more than willing.
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I don't know about ToS:
iv.takes "screen shots" of the Licensee's computer screen at any given time while assist is running without prior notice to the Licensee.
Everything I agree with. Most of the time I live assist open and also I don't what people to know what is in my desktop or what I'm doing on my desktop. Sorry but to me this a little too invasive for me. If the other three things mention couldn't catch them, why would you think this will. Until then, I can't pull the trigger to agree the the ToS and play AA again. Well thanks for the good times.
Carlidan_{PoT} or FlashGreanade_{PoT}
Guess I will see you guys on aa4 or not. :?
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I don't know about ToS:
iv.takes "screen shots" of the Licensee's computer screen at any given time while assist is running without prior notice to the Licensee.
Everything I agree with. Most of the time I live assist open and also I don't what people to know what is in my desktop or what I'm doing on my desktop. Sorry but to me this a little too invasive for me. If the other three things mention couldn't catch them, why would you think this will. Until then, I can't pull the trigger to agree the the ToS and play AA again. Well thanks for the good times.
Carlidan_{PoT} or FlashGreanade_{PoT}
Guess I will see you guys on aa4 or not. :?
Log out and nothing will be taken :)
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I don't know about ToS:
iv.takes "screen shots" of the Licensee's computer screen at any given time while assist is running without prior notice to the Licensee.
Everything I agree with. Most of the time I live assist open and also I don't what people to know what is in my desktop or what I'm doing on my desktop. Sorry but to me this a little too invasive for me. If the other three things mention couldn't catch them, why would you think this will. Until then, I can't pull the trigger to agree the the ToS and play AA again. Well thanks for the good times.
Carlidan_{PoT} or FlashGreanade_{PoT}
Guess I will see you guys on aa4 or not. :?
Thank you for proving to me that the TOS works. I'm sorry that you disagree with this specific part but it really is a necessary part of the anti-cheat system.
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Thank you for proving to me that the TOS works. I'm sorry that you disagree with this specific part but it really is a necessary part of the anti-cheat system.
if you don't wan't screenies to be taken while you aren't playing, you have 2 options(if you choose to use assist ofc):
1 - Close 25Assist
2 - SitRep > Logout of 25Assist, so if you have a server running from it you can leave the server Up and nothing will be get from you.
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Can't you make it take screenshots only when AAO is running. Which would mean it would start with AAO launch from Assist.
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Taking screenies on any screen other than Assist and ArmyOps seems excessive as far as privacy goes. I have nothing to hide, but I'm sure others will think the same. Legally, I think you can only take screenshots of the software you are using. Maybe somebody is using an aimbot that doesn't need an overlay, but that is what the process list is for.
Eliz, thanks for your hard work. Your fix worked. aa25.ini got overwritten, but I had a backup thankfully.
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Taking screenies on any screen other than Assist and ArmyOps seems excessive as far as privacy goes. I have nothing to hide, but I'm sure others will think the same. Legally, I think you can only take screenshots of the software you are using. Maybe somebody is using an aimbot that doesn't need an overlay, but that is what the process list is for.
Eliz, thanks for your hard work. Your fix worked. aa25.ini got overwritten, but I had a backup thankfully.
actually the mech takes screen shot of the screen, if you are alt tabbed it will probably show what u can see :)
also it takes SS on Join. some users used to have Cheat clients on their taskbar / desktop:)
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Weird switched from Assist running the server to the linux dedicated and the server in the deploy listing says it is authorized but when you join it says it is not.
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Weird switched from Assist running the server to the linux dedicated and the server in the deploy listing says it is authorized but when you join it says it is not.
Screen shot plz
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actually the mech takes screen shot of the screen, if you are alt tabbed it will probably show what u can see :)
also it takes SS on Join. some users used to have Cheat clients on their taskbar / desktop:)
You might want to re-think this. Either keep it from taking screenies of the desktop, or warn users in the TOS about visiting their banking institution or watching porn or whatever. Heck, maybe a video conference is going on and you can see inside somebody's house...you get the picture of how bad this can get
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Ok I got a screenshot of both but I can't find the game screenshot, where on linux does it put them?
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F0quCrzQ.jpg&hash=a878c518ad5454fb880c562c97c2a199)
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Me i thanks and congratulation the admin cast that bring back the game and hope this will be a begin of a normal behavior game play .
About the cheaters and hackers sent them to me i will talk to them , and i led them shoot me 50 time and than they have a little fun to Hooah ! THX THX from all my members.
Singned
Netherlands =PUF=Vanoke
Netherlands =PUF=StreetshootSR
America =PUF=SilenceIKillU
Netherlands =PUF=Abbys
Norway kauto Goldfish
Norway kauto Boss
Norway kauto Kurt
Germany =PUF=Amigo
Finland =PUF=Imam_Hussein
France =PUF=Pedralima
Scotland Highlands =PUF=GeorgeMac
Belgium =PUF=Crow
Belgium =PUF=Spillie
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You might want to re-think this. Either keep it from taking screenies of the desktop, or warn users in the TOS about visiting their banking institution or watching porn or whatever. Heck, maybe a video conference is going on and you can see inside somebody's house...you get the picture of how bad this can get
My thoughts exactly. It's just too much you're giving away to play a free game. I pretty sure the hackers have a way to skirt this anyways. You're just making more players afraid to play the game again. Especially what had happen in recently. Catching hackers at all cost seems too far. But that just my opinion.
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You might want to re-think this. Either keep it from taking screenies of the desktop, or warn users in the TOS about visiting their banking institution or watching porn or whatever. Heck, maybe a video conference is going on and you can see inside somebody's house...you get the picture of how bad this can get
right, I was just saying how the ACTUAL mech works, sure it can be worked :)
and.. I've caught a user watching pr0n while back rofl;
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Me i thanks and congratulation the admin cast that bring back the game and hope this will be a begin of a normal behavior game play .
About the cheaters and hackers sent them to me i will talk to them , and i led them shoot me 50 time and than they have a little fun to Hooah ! THX THX from all =PUF=Kauto members.
Singned
Netherlands =PUF=Vanoke
Netherlands =PUF=StreetshootSR
America =PUF=SilenceIKillU
Netherlands =PUF=Abbys
Norway kauto Goldfish
Norway kauto Boss
Norway kauto Kurt
Germany =PUF=Amigo
Finland =PUF=Imam_Hussein
France =PUF=Pedralima
Scotland Highlands =PUF=GeorgeMac
Belgium =PUF=Crow
Belgium =PUF=Spillie
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You might want to re-think this. Either keep it from taking screenies of the desktop, or warn users in the TOS about visiting their banking institution or watching porn or whatever. Heck, maybe a video conference is going on and you can see inside somebody's house...you get the picture of how bad this can get
That's the whole point of the TOS. Assist is taking a screenshot of the environment in which it is operating. If you want to alt+tab to view your bank account numbers, that's your deal. I've never seen any information in online banking be dangerous. Sure, maybe an address if you're viewing a Paypal transaction but so what? You are the one controlling what information goes into your computer.
Also, I've said it before, if we wanted to be malicious, we would have already done something in the last 5+ years Assist has been running. Like use Assist to harvest passwords and try social engineering to gain access to your digital accounts. A lot of people use the same password for everything. The screenshots are not for public viewing and frankly, they're not being taken at a timed interval. The screenshots are being taken when Assist requests them. Most users will never have screenshots taken of their computer. The screenshots are only a step for those players that are suspicious. When those screenshots are taken, they are only accessible by us devs.
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For me (http://sourceforge.net/projects/aa25assist/files/Binaries/25Assist.zip/download) download does not start right away. Why?
Or does the game start receiving this error:
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs18.postimg.org%2Fm2d2wpo0p%2Fimage.png&hash=eeb97ba535cfacc57b2fc8b52ec0c589)
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Anyone else having problems with brightness settings..? I cannot change them at all, the sliders move but nothing happens and changing them from assist makes no difference either.
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Anyone else having problems with brightness settings..? I cannot change them at all, the sliders move but nothing happens and changing them from assist makes no difference either.
25Assist > Settings > Select Full Screen.
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Yeah I tried that one too mate but its 1920x1080 I will try lowering it just now and see what happens.
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Nope.. Strange tried a reset but still does not work.
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thanks spanky and all the admins thanks very much to get assist working again i hope this is the last time it get shut down i am happy for this
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guys i have an runtime error
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For me (http://sourceforge.net/projects/aa25assist/files/Binaries/25Assist.zip/download) download does not start right away. Why?
Or does the game start receiving this error:
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs18.postimg.org%2Fm2d2wpo0p%2Fimage.png&hash=eeb97ba535cfacc57b2fc8b52ec0c589)
i have a problem why how to fix it
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Thanks guys for getting things up and running. :beer:
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The screenshots are being taken when Assist requests them. Most users will never have screenshots taken of their computer. The screenshots are only a step for those players that are suspicious. When those screenshots are taken, they are only accessible by us devs.
ATM the most important is to have assist running, so it's OK for a temporary solution. But please, let's have a talk about security... Why are you sure that only assist devs can initiate/view screenshots? Think about MITM attacks, wifi sniffing, etc. If assist has that much power over your computer, an adversary may have a very cheap way to compromise a system (not game related). My recommendation:
- design the security, without ad-hoc modifications (analyze threat models, etc)
- make it public (preferably open source) - gaining trust is easier that way
(I trust you and the other contributors and I'm sure that all features are made with good intentions, but ad-hoc solutions are prone to serious errors.)
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ATM the most important is to have assist running, so it's OK for a temporary solution. But please, let's have a talk about security... Why are you sure that only assist devs can initiate/view screenshots? Think about MITM attacks, wifi sniffing, etc. If assist has that much power over your computer, an adversary may have a very cheap way to compromise a system (not game related). My recommendation:
- design the security, without ad-hoc modifications (analyze threat models, etc)
- make it public (preferably open source) - gaining trust is easier that way
(I trust you and the other contributors and I'm sure that all features are made with good intentions, but ad-hoc solutions are prone to serious errors.)
I think we can't stop MITM attacks and wifi sniffing, Assist is vulnerable just as your web browser or instant messanger is.
We can make the communication flow through a more secure channel BUT nothing is perfect,
See the recent News ;)
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Anyone else having problems with brightness settings..? I cannot change them at all, the sliders move but nothing happens and changing them from assist makes no difference either.
if you are using Windows 8, we will fix it in the next hours :P (probably missing file on our end sry)
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This screenshot "feature" is a no go.
@Spanky
Like use Assist to harvest passwords and try social engineering to gain access to your digital accounts. A lot of people use the same password for everything. The screenshots are not for public viewing and frankly, they're not being taken at a timed interval.
If it become public that there is a private data stored at the AAO-project you can bet your ass this will allure the bad guys sooner or later.
What is better than breaking into hundreds of PC's?
Right: Breaking into one insecure system which keeps their privacy's.
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This screenshot "feature" is a no go.
@SpankyIf it become public that there is a private data stored at the AAO-project you can bet your ass this will allure the bad guys sooner or later.
What is better than breaking into hundreds of PC's?
Right: Breaking into one insecure system which keeps their privacy's.
hmm, no one tried but, Screenshots aren't stored or sent to our server
the only private data are the Passwords that are encrypted and salted, most usernames are publicy, but why do we store those PWs? cuz with them we can set up a System in case BT has any failure etc, we do Store points to Next Honor and Player Honor too, basic info to setup a login system IF needed.
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I think we can't stop MITM attacks and wifi sniffing, Assist is vulnerable just as your web browser or instant messanger is.
We can make the communication flow through a more secure channel BUT nothing is perfect,
See the recent News ;)
Math is almost perfect :) General consensus is that even NSA can't break it, but they are doing their nasty things mostly with cheating.
Yes, using secure channels would be a must, with proper pubkey authentication (to mitigate easy MITM threats). Security is all about making an attack more expensive than the possible gain.
There are two aspects here: 1) protecting the game environment (aa+assist) from hackers and 2) protecting the host system from compromises through assist. As I see, only 1) is being addressed, and the measures for doing that can hurt 2) in terrible ways.
(Please also see my post (http://aao25.com/news-65/welcome-back-to-aao25-com/msg54266/#msg54266) from yesterday.)
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Math is almost perfect :) General consensus is that even NSA can't break it, but they are doing their nasty things mostly with cheating.
Yes, using secure channels would be a must, with proper pubkey authentication (to mitigate easy MITM threats). Security is all about making an attack more expensive than the possible gain.
There are two aspects here: 1) protecting the game environment (aa+assist) from hackers and 2) protecting the host system from compromises through assist. As I see, only 1) is being addressed, and the measures for doing that can hurt 2) in terrible ways.
(Please also see my post (http://aao25.com/news-65/welcome-back-to-aao25-com/msg54266/#msg54266) from yesterday.)
we have Unreleased work wich has improved somethings, you guys won't see changes to the Auth system cuz theres no need for us to mention, but sure there were a few changes regarding security in all that time.
this project was also developed by common ppl, without great coding Skill, but we are getting better :)
Spanky will read ur post, i'm not into that area :D
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Spanky will read ur post, i'm not into that area :D
It's not just for Spanky, it's for all devs, I was just seeing him as some kind of coordinator :) So if you or other devs think that someone with strong CS background would be good to talk to, please send me a PM on the topic.
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hmm, no one tried but, Screenshots aren't stored or sent to our server
They don't even need to be stored.
If someone break into the server he can pickup the data in real time.
this project was also developed by common ppl, without great coding Skill
What makes the whole thing even worse.
BTW:
I don't even bother about 2-3 cheaters, what I am really concerned about is my privacy.
Someone else stated it before:
No game is it worth to run such a risk.
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It's not just for Spanky, it's for all devs, I was just seeing him as some kind of coordinator :) So if you or other devs think that someone with strong CS background would be good to talk to, please send me a PM on the topic.
sure, I just dont enter into contacting ppl etc :D
Rob, online almost everything is vulnerable, if want to be really safe go hide below ur bed,
if you have anything that can improve assist as you wish, you can show and discuss with us;
see pcqdt, he knows that assist lack is X aspects and is willing to help, not bashing the work done for free in someone elses spare time. you can say, but if you can help to improve it, why not?
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thank you guys for doing this great job !!!
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Rob, online almost everything is vulnerable, if want to be really safe go hide below ur bed,
Yes, you have to make compromises.
It's always a balance of benefit-risk.
But when it comes to a video game there is almost no benefit which would justify this lack of privacy.
There is a good reason why Punkbuster don't make screenshots while the game is minimized.
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Yes, you have to make compromises.
It's always a balance of benefit-risk.
But when it comes to a video game there is almost no benefit which would justify this lack of privacy.
There is a good reason why Punkbuster don't make screenshots while the game is minimized.
PS:
Removing this "feature" would be an improve!
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Actually the "edit" button is removed?
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Actually the "edit" button is removed?
Normal users cannot edit posts on "News".
Assist just came back, some things can be changed but now the focus is on making everything OK and stable,
ELiZ is almost alone doing things for Assist, let's give him time to Live his life and do things that he might really enjoy.
fyi, AC doesn't even work atm.
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We super mod servers still feel a bit diffrend :shock: Open game! love Peace and understanding lol!
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Someone else stated it before:
No game is it worth to run such a risk.
That's your opinion. That's why there's the choice between 'agree' and 'don't agree'.
But I see already 50 players that think the game is worth it ;)
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But I see already 50 players that think the game is worth it
I wonder how many of them actually read the entire text and how many of those who did understood what it comes down to.
;)
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So if i'm right, assist only takes screenshots when you're logged in on assist? And when you're logged out it stops?
Need to know for my cheats... ;)
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(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.tinypic.com%2F2igy72h.png&hash=47c74171fff6baa3d669f651b46f1271)
I guess assist doesn't support Chinese words? Fml
You have already changed the username in the past 2 days. You can change the username in 1 day(s) again.
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Impressive job, didn't expect it to be live early today :)
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ROFL.
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You just lost more players, good job assist.
The ''video game'' who is going into your privacy is just wrong.
You taking that kind of risk? If anything happens or any more complains towards assist its in your hands of being shut down again. Why risk even more? You will loose more players when the obj of the game was and is to bring players back. Those who is playing right now are really idiots and don't be angry at me because it's an obvious true fact. You are giving your privacy to the admins of assist who you don't really know and who is allowed to get into your pc anytime you play America's Army. Terms of Agreement doesn't really tell that, I bet many people don't even know what that means, like for example TOS and you should at least explain that players privacy will be looked. Sorry guys but you will lose more an more players, and only an idiots who is willing to give their privacy just to play a ''video game''. You guys just don't know what you are going to. I am the coder/the hacker and I know what risk it is to give your privacy. After losing trust of the players you are doing it again without being cared of being trusted again. Your ACI shit is just wrong, there are many ways in which you can solve the security of Assist. There will always be someone who is going to bypass your system, I know that because I worked for AA3 before, that's why AA3 nor AA4 not using such a shit stuff like you guys do. For ''AA2.5'' you getting into privacy of people, and I really don't care how much of our privacy you get. Sorry but I thought I play the game again but seems like not...
The risk is huge for both, players and the admins.
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Your ACI shit is just wrong, there are many ways in which you can solve the security of Assist
Feel free to help ;)
Anyway I guess there are people like me who have nothing to hide ( I mean nothing personal on computer).
Maybe someone is gonna hack my password for premium account on porn site, but i don't think so. But I can perfectly understand people wouldn't agree with it
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You guys just don't learn from your own mistakes.
You can't just make screenshots of players desktop outside of the game. Period.
And no, existance of TOS does not change anything. TOS doesn't magically make illegal things legal.
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Feel free to help ;)
I will not work for any game or industry that requires so much shit and headache through community. I will not do it for free especially. I am a retired dev and have no motivation in doing anything that comes up with a coding in the coming steps of my life. I just want to throw some few conclusions that people should think before agreeing with terms of use to play the game.
''You are giving your ''privacy'' to the ''group of people'' who you don't really know, and ''who is doing this for free in developing the game in their own time''.
I mean even a 5 years old kid would know that giving your ''privacy'' is a wrong thing even if it was your best friend you are to about to give. I mean that's stupid and just for a video game that has like 100 players base, well now its only around 20-50 ... so i don't see the point of this ACI. The previous anti cheat system was good enough, it didn't go the best but at least it was some kind of security, now its just too much just for a wee video game that has a low player base... Me too, I have nothing to hide but you take your own responsibility and consequences.
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The screenshots are not for public viewing and frankly, they're not being taken at a timed interval. The screenshots are being taken when Assist requests them. Most users will never have screenshots taken of their computer. The screenshots are only a step for those players that are suspicious. When those screenshots are taken, they are only accessible by us devs.
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you don't really seem like a retired dev, mr. anonymous.
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And no, existance of TOS does not change anything. TOS doesn't magically make illegal things legal.
Have you ever read any licence agreement from MS/Google/Apple/etc? They can do with your personal data pretty much anything they want (and screenshots would be the least of the concerns...). (Although I'm myself very keen on privacy, that's why I'm trying to help arriving at a design which is acceptable from this viewpoint, too.)
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Have you ever read any licence agreement from MS/Google/Apple/etc? They can do with your personal data pretty much anything they want (and screenshots would be the least of the concerns...). (Although I'm myself very keen on privacy, that's why I'm trying to help arriving at a design which is acceptable from this viewpoint, too.)
good point. Those companies Can infact do what that want with any data received from u. Including handing that information to other companies and/or entities. Agreeing to the TOS of assist (when u agree and click ok) does infact make it legal. And assist devs do not hand data gathered to any other companies and/or entities
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you don't really seem like a retired dev, mr. anonymous.
That's because he, she, or it isn't. They are a professional spammer just trolling and typing nonsense to work people up.
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Why you even reverted any of the "trojan" features, then? You could just put them in TOS, couldn't you?
the information as to why, has already been stated within these forums. feel free to use the search function above to find out the information you need :)
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The TOS isn't there to protect us legally. I'm very well aware that TOS and EULA's often don't hold up in court. The TOS is purely there to alert users of what's going on and guess what, it's working. The things described in the TOS are the only things being done on your computer. We're not hiding anything else. We can't access data on your computer. If you don't agree with this approach that is VERY similar to PunkBuster then feel free to uninstall.
People are ungodly concerned with "privacy". If you're that paranoid, don't own electronic devices and if you do wish to own them, don't put any personal information out. Get the fuck off Facebook and any other social medium.
Facts are that the screenshots aren't public in any way. They are not transmitted to the auth server, even temporarily. Sure, someone can hack in and intercept the transmission but come on, if someone is that good, wouldn't they be spending their time doing something worthwhile rather than stealing some Polish/Brazilian screenshot of him watching YouTube?
ArmyAntiCheat, why would a dev, such as you claim to be, code hacks for a game he helped make? Despite your thoughts of how horrible and violating we are, we're actually pretty nice and democratic. We welcome anybody that wants to help. If you can contribute something that makes these "privacy invading" screenshots obsolete, well, doesn't that make everybody happy? This offer is extended to anyone that knows UScript, Visual Studio or just "proper" security communication to go through Assist's RealBasic code and make things better.
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If you don't agree with this approach that is VERY similar to PunkBuster then feel free to uninstall.
I don't think so,
As stated before, PB don't take screenshots if the game is not in full screen mode.
People are ungodly concerned with "privacy". If you're that paranoid, don't own electronic devices and if you do wish to own them, don't put any personal information out. Get the fuck off Facebook and any other social medium.
You can control which informations you share at any social network.
You cant control which informations you leak with Assistant.
This offer is extended to anyone that knows UScript, Visual Studio or just "proper" security communication to go through Assist's RealBasic code and make things better.
If I'm not mistaken it was said by Assist-Admins that you don't make the code public available, didn't you?
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the basic understanding of all of this info is - If you do not agree with the TOS, then simply decline it, uninstall any Assist downloads, and continue on with life.
im not trying to sound rude, but that is pretty simple
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Rob, that's a minor difference. PB publicizes screenshots, we don't.
You can control which informations you share with Assist. Close it or uninstall it :)
The thing with allowing people to help is that trust needs to be established first. There's several people in the dev group that weren't here years ago. That's because they've been proven to be trusted and vouched for by other people. We wouldn't give full access to anyone at the drop of a hat.
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Hey guys,
First i would like to thank you all for bringing the assist software back online!
Second i would like to ask something about a bit of a problem after updating to 7.48.
My Assist is working like it should but when i join a server assist is crashing and kicking me from the game with; 'slot Closed'.
I have reinstalled the whole assist software (replace libs and main program with new downloaded data) but it didnt work.
Do i need to delete the Armyops files to in the c:/documents and settings/.... folder ?
Thanks :)
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Yea, try a Reset + Repair in Assist.
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if you are using Windows 8, we will fix it in the next hours :P (probably missing file on our end sry)
Perfect, thanks mate was thinking it was something with my laptop but yes I have windows 8 :P.
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Yea, try a Reset + Repair in Assist.
Hey Spank,
Reset And Repair didnt work unfortunately.
But full installation did the trick :)
Thanks for the fast answer!
Hooah!
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Rob, that's a minor difference. PB publicizes screenshots, we don't.
I don't care that much if screenshots of my gameplay getting public.
But making screenshots of any private stuff known to anyone is not what I wanna have.
A minor difference, are you kidding me now?
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Ok you all are not reading the screenshots that assist does in "NOT PUBLIC" like PB. Again re-read that so it get's through your slow neural network and thick skulls, go ahead re-read it. your skimming and not reading, You skimmed the TOS like you do any other TOS. Yet you want a reason to "BITCH" about things that let you do what you want which is play.
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Do it makes ss if u alt tab to windows?how does that help u catch hackers anyway?
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Do it makes ss if u alt tab to windows?
If you're logged into assist , yes I guess
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I actually still don't see the problem. It's more like you guys want something to bitch about instead of something being fundamentally bad.
They see my desktop sometimes.
So what?
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I actually still don't see the problem. It's more like you guys want something to bitch about instead of something being fundamentally bad.
They see my desktop sometimes.
So what?
:sign_x2:
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They see my desktop sometimes.
Depends on what you have open at the same time!
BTW:
This "feature" is useless at all.
Do you thing the bad guys are that dumb to have their hacks run in a window that can be seen on a screenshot?
Not to mention a hidden taskbar.
Are their any stats available how many of them got caught by this "feature"?
One out of one thousand I guess...
So you are going to scare of that much players only to get one or two cheaters?
Thats what I call a naive fallacy.
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your wrong Rob about how many have been caught.
btw, if you don't agree and do not want to use Assist anymore, don't keep discussing it. looks like a disc playing in non-stop Repeat mode.
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The thing with allowing people to help is that trust needs to be established first. There's several people in the dev group that weren't here years ago. That's because they've been proven to be trusted and vouched for by other people. We wouldn't give full access to anyone at the drop of a hat.
Very nice to hear this...so even Ganja is licking admins's assses and making sure you guys like him he prolly never wont be an admin? Ah...so glad to hear.
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(...)don't keep discussing it
Thats the nature of an Internet forum, isn't it?
However, I thought mods would kill this game.
But it seems Assist forestall it.
It's like life support, there is heartbeat there is breathing but actually it's already gone.
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Very nice to hear this...so even Ganja is licking admins's assses and making sure you guys like him he prolly never wont be an admin? Ah...so glad to hear.
My Ass is waiting for you, come to me.
Rob, we alreay heard and noted, so sftu for gods sake. yes I'm mad :censored: :up:
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Very nice to hear this...so even Ganja is licking admins's assses and making sure you guys like him he prolly never wont be an admin? Ah...so glad to hear.
LOL ... just ... LOL man
u gonna make some "cheesey-raw" fanclub? I don't do anything to help the game survive, I just play it, why would i e admin. And being an admin means not being able to say what u want because u're supposed to act properly dickhead
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I don't understand how many dramas there is going to be on the forum. This is a very small community and every user should be treated as yourself. Ganja says a true fact, he has done nothing for assist or the help of this community. I don't understand admins in how they let people like Ganja post count on every topic that the opinion of his/her is unnecessary.
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I don't understand admins in how they let people like Ganja post count on every topic that the opinion of his/her is unnecessary.
unbelievable right, wanna be admins here :rtfm:
Oh yeah one more post for me !
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This is a very small community and every user should be treated as yourself.
I'm impressed. This is the first reasonable thing you've said.
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Hi all.
We still have the problem, that our server is "Mod or Cheat Server". I followed these 2 instructions:
Shad, check your Engine.GameEngine:
(...)
and then your AGP.StatsRouter:
(...)
I've found the issue....
(...)
Download a fresh version and replace your Assist Dedicated Files
Windows
http://sourceforge.net/projects/aa25assist/files/Binaries/wdedisrv.zip/download
I could replace the "Server libs" directory, but not the "server.exe" - because the hoster sotres it outside my ftp access.
I also deleted the "System/server/" directory and the files downloaded automatically new.
Anyone has an idea what to do or how to fix it?
Regards
Graf
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Sällan har så många, så få, att tacka för så mycket. Hästjobb EliZ!
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I'm impressed. This is the first reasonable thing you've said.
So when are you leaving Spanky???? Soon I hope.....The sarcasm and insults towards the members are getting old.... :idea:
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Sällan har så många, så få, att tacka för så mycket. Hästjobb EliZ!
Det var så lite.
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I truly believe that we (AA2 lovers) should move on and let the game rest in peace with the few dignity that is left
That is the only thing i can recall as i read some of your posts...
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Hi all.
We still have the problem, that our server is "Mod or Cheat Server". I followed these 2 instructions:
I could replace the "Server libs" directory, but not the "server.exe" - because the hoster sotres it outside my ftp access.
I also deleted the "System/server/" directory and the files downloaded automatically new.
Anyone has an idea what to do or how to fix it?
Regards
Graf
My problem wasn't in the ini file. It was that the binary and libs need to be re-installed. server-bin has to be installed in /Server and it needs to be chmod +x
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Opps, that is if you have a linux server. I have no idea about the window server. But Eliz mentioned you have to re-install the dedicated server files.
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Opps, that is if you have a linux server. I have no idea about the window server. But Eliz mentioned you have to re-install the dedicated server files.
Same procedure if you are running on Windows.. without the chmod +x of cause.. not needed on a Windows box
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Hi all.
I did the above steps once, twice and a lot more, without success.
I reinstalled the server completly, without success.
After that, I followed the instuction(s) again, without success.
After 10 hours, I did it again and had success. The server is now "official" and not "Cheat or Hack Server" anymore. Now I have the problem, when I join the server, the "Authorisation" for each player takes about one or two Minutes. During this time, you can't select a team or do anything else.
I had that problem during the first days of assist. I had to change the order of the "ServerActors" entries in the "[Engine.GameEngine]" section, to fix it, but can't remember how. Is there a way to download a clean "Aa25Srv.ini", because my server-hoster has a lot of unneeded entries and comments inside. I hope, that will fix my problem.
Regards
Graf
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So when are you leaving Spanky???? Soon I hope.....The sarcasm and insults towards the members are getting old.... :idea:
lol Come on really?
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So when are you leaving Spanky???? Soon I hope.....The sarcasm and insults towards the members are getting old.... :idea:
You take one of the posts that I'm serious in and complain that it's sarcasm and insulting? Time to take an English course mate.
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You take one of the posts that I'm serious in and complain that it's sarcasm and insulting? Time to take an English course mate.
There's no way to edit posts anymore smartass...or i would've corrected it...and take an English course? really? at my age? I passed my english courses when you were still shiiting your diapers....get a clue mate!
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u always seem to crack me up tron when i need a good laugh
Now was I being serious? or sarcastic?...hmm.... :D
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Now was I being serious? or sarcastic?...hmm.... :D
Herpaderp
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Herpaderp
Ditto... :P
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Hi all.
I still have this problem and the feeling, that the pings are higher than before:
(...)Now I have the problem, when I join the server, the "Authorisation" for each player takes about one or two Minutes. During this time, you can't select a team or do anything else.
I had that problem during the first days of assist. I had to change the order of the "ServerActors" entries in the "[Engine.GameEngine]" section, to fix it, but can't remember how. Is there a way to download a clean "Aa25Srv.ini", because my server-hoster has a lot of unneeded entries and comments inside. I hope, that will fix my problem.
Here an extract from my aa25srv.ini with the 2 sections mentioned before:
[Engine.GameEngine]
CacheSizeMegs=96
UseSound=False
VoIPAllowVAD=False
;ServerActors=UTelnet.TelnetServer
;ServerActors=-{DG}-Crusade13.dgcrusade
;ServerActors=mapvote.dgcrusadec
;ServerActors=mAApFriend.mAApLoader
ServerActors=antipoke.logoloader
ServerActors=antipoke.SAIReplicator
;ServerActors=IpDrv.GameSpyQR
;ServerActors=IpDrv.SimpleQR
;ServerActors=IpDrv.SCIQR
ServerPackages=AntiPoke.u
ServerPackages=Core
ServerPackages=Engine
ServerPackages=Fire
ServerPackages=Editor
ServerPackages=IpDrv
ServerPackages=GamePlay
ServerPackages=AGP_Effects
ServerPackages=AGP_UI
ServerPackages=AGP
ServerPackages=AGP_Gameplay
ServerPackages=AGP_Characters
ServerPackages=AGP_AI
ServerPackages=AGP_Inventory
ServerPackages=AGP_Script
ServerPackages=AGP_Objects
;ServerPackages=mAApFriend
;ServerPackages=UWeb
UseStaticMeshBatching=True
ColorHighDetailMeshes=False
ColorSlowCollisionMeshes=False
ColorNoCollisionMeshes=False
ColorWorldTextures=False
ColorPlayerAndWeaponTextures=False
ColorInterfaceTextures=False
MainMenuClass=AGP_Interface.AAMainMenu
ConnectingMenuClass=AGP_Interface.AAServerLoading
DisconnectMenuClass=AGP_Interface.AADisconnectOptionPage
LoadingClass=AGP_Interface.AALevelLoading
[AGP.StatsRouter]
StatsDestinationClasses=class'AssistQR.u';
StatsDestinationClasses=class'HackHunter.u';
StatsDestinationClasses=class'openslots.u';
StatsDestinationClasses=class'Auth.u';
;StatsDestinationClasses=class'Deathguardiansa.dgcrusadea';
;StatsDestinationClasses=class'Deathguardiansb.dgcrusaded';
;StatsDestinationClasses=class'SOTChatLogger.ChatLogger';
;StatsDestinationClasses=class'SimpleAuthStatsInterface';
;StatsDestinationClasses=class'LogfileStatsInterface';
Everything is ok? Do I have to disable / enable something more? Can anyone help me?
Regards
Graf
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CacheSizeMegs=256
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StatsDestinationClasses=class'openslots.u'; :(
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Hi all.
I still have the same problems with the Authorization as mentioned before.
If you join the server, you have to wait 1 - 3 Minutes until authorization has finished.
Anyone has any ideas? Which "ServerActors" and "ServerPackages" have to be activated? Is the order of the entries important? What can I do to find the cause? Where can I download a clean aa25server.ini?
Regards
Graf
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non sta funzionando :(
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non sta funzionando :(
Il provider Eukost, cioè chi gestisce i server su cui si appoggia l'Assist per quanto riguarda i servizi di autenticazione, sta effettuando manutenzione straordinaria sui server su cui questi servizi sono appunto in hosting. Non è ancora chiaro di quanto tempo avrà bisogno il provider per riportare online i servizi in hosting (in ogni caso probabilmente ritorneranno online entro questo fine settimana).
http://euk-status.com/2013/10/09/storage-issue-on-hyperv-cloud-2-in-progress/