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Title: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, January 07, 2015, 12:28:23 PM
I guess you've all heard about it, or going to hear about it:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883)

3 islamist gunmen attacked a french magazine as payback of a caricature of mohamed the magazine had made in 2011. What happened to the freedom of speech ? What happened to this world, our world ?
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, January 07, 2015, 12:41:17 PM
Religious people are jumpy.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Alex on Wednesday, January 07, 2015, 12:47:26 PM
Tragic news. Unfortunately there is no end in sight for such attacks as these. How do you punish those that are willing to die for their ideals? What do you do? Throw them in jail to let them preach their shit to other people? Give them their wish and kill them? We have no deterrent.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Vanoke on Wednesday, January 07, 2015, 16:51:43 PM
I guess you've all heard about it, or going to hear about it:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883)

3 islamist gunmen attacked a french magazine as payback of a caricature of mohamed the magazine had made in 2011. What happened to the freedom of speech ? What happened to this world, our world ?
See here Ganja  Hans Teeuwen tells you were the borderline is in freedom speech   :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-_tM9oNa68 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-_tM9oNa68)
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ELiZ on Wednesday, January 07, 2015, 17:37:50 PM
Tragic news. Unfortunately there is no end in sight for such attacks as these. How do you punish those that are willing to die for their ideals? What do you do? Throw them in jail to let them preach their shit to other people? Give them their wish and kill them? We have no deterrent.

Only long term solution is education.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Koden on Wednesday, January 07, 2015, 18:46:45 PM
Terrorism comes from a long way of general instability in some particular countries, of course if you're struggling to make up with daily needs of yourself and/or your family, you don't have access to information, and you're living in a civil war, you're certainly easier to get brainwashed into believing whatever you're get thrown at.
Perhaps the thing should be trying to ensure stability and better living conditions in the countries which are almost permanently on a political/civil fire (like the several ones in Africa).
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: CS-ACI- on Wednesday, January 07, 2015, 20:46:07 PM
Hello,

The problem is not education, it is religion and the fanatics on any side.

Education only works when people want to learn too be better than they already are, most fanatics consider themselves the top of the heap so to speak and as such can not learn any thing else.

Steve
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, January 07, 2015, 21:17:11 PM
Hello,

The problem is not education, it is religion and the fanatics on any side.

Education only works when people want to learn too be better than they already are, most fanatics consider themselves the top of the heap so to speak and as such can not learn any thing else.

Steve


But people aren't born fanatics right?
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, January 07, 2015, 21:30:43 PM
You can't force people to learn, yes. Religion, just like racism, is taught (forced) onto kids at a young age. That cycle has to be broken.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: CS-ACI- on Thursday, January 08, 2015, 02:07:57 AM
Hello,

Worshiping of a God, Gods, Goddess, Goddesses or any form of deity or deities is not a problem.

The problem with religion is how "man" has defined it and how the followers should act.

Steve
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Thursday, January 08, 2015, 03:43:54 AM
It contains disturbing images

Here is the attack when terrorists leave.
Video not fake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xuA-mLBuSU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xuA-mLBuSU)
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: phuNkiii.ops on Thursday, January 08, 2015, 03:56:32 AM
The problem are the countries that let them live there. Fascism/Nacism is still strong in Europe and im sure by doing shit like this will only make it worse for all the muslims and not the dumb radicals.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Thursday, January 08, 2015, 12:05:10 PM
I guess you've all heard about it, or going to hear about it:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883)

3 islamist gunmen attacked a french magazine as payback of a caricature of mohamed the magazine had made in 2011. What happened to the freedom of speech ? What happened to this world, our world ?

it's a fucked up world were living in
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: NoBigDeal on Thursday, January 08, 2015, 12:19:47 PM
The problem are the countries that let them live there. Fascism/Nacism is still strong in Europe and im sure by doing shit like this will only make it worse for all the muslims and not the dumb radicals.
... it's rather Radical / Extreme Nationalism than some (funny...) fractions from the beginning of last century.
As for the Islam, religion itself is the problem - they are in the point where middle age Christianity was (... all these 'crusades' and other nonsense ...). They are in stagnation for a min. five hundred years ...
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Archeh on Thursday, January 08, 2015, 21:48:08 PM
Sure is easy to blame religion from your atheist high horses. Some nutjobs are murderers, no reason to generalize an entire religion. Over a thousand people murdered every day and only a few get hours of news coverage and debate. Islamaphobia is bad.

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Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Alex on Thursday, January 08, 2015, 22:31:41 PM
Sure is easy to blame religion from your atheist high horses. Some nutjobs are murderers, no reason to generalize an entire religion. Over a thousand people murdered every day and only a few get hours of news coverage and debate. Islamaphobia is bad.

Hello everyone I decided to log in
Most murders aren't a miltary style hit on a specific group of people they are not related to. Most murders are crimes of passion committed by someone they know. This is an unusual circumstance, thus the media coverage. Not often do entire buildings get attack by AK47 wielding terrorists.
Also, it's stupid to suggest the religion isn't partially to blame. So it just so happens that all these militant attacks are carried out by Muslims? That's just some gigantic coincidence? Please. I get that most Muslims aren't like that, but to take religion out of the equation is ridiculous and irresponsible. Of course the religion isn't entirely to blame, most of the blame is still on the people. However, they all claim they're doing it for their religion. How exactly is their religion not involved?
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Archeh on Thursday, January 08, 2015, 22:40:25 PM
Because Islam is pretty peaceful, all in all? In this particular case, yes, it's hard to deny religion's involvement. The image that was published a while ago is pretty darn racist, though, and was meant to be inflammatory. They got what they wanted, only on a scale much larger than they expected.

My response was targeted at those who said Islam is stagnant, used the word "Islamist" when they meant to say "jihadist", or said that religion is to blame. This story is huge fucking news in the media because it was Muslims behind it. If white dudes did this it'd be discussed for a few hours then they'd return to debating whether or not a hot dog is a sandwich.

I'm just riled up because I've seen so many racists on twitter calling for nukes and #KillAllMuslims and stuff like that.


*EDIT*
This was also a crime of passion. They just happened to be passionate about their religion.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Spanky on Friday, January 09, 2015, 00:21:01 AM
Turning the tables, when has religion done anything worthwhile? Aside from being a mental/emotional crutch for people...
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Archeh on Friday, January 09, 2015, 01:19:24 AM
I think the Catholic Church has got up to a lot of "no-good" in their day, but *religion* as a concept is something I really can't oppose. Then again, I did read Reza Aslan and Karen Armstrong books recently and found both writers to be pretty powerful...


I can't really think of anything meaningful religion has done because I've never felt religious. But I think everyone needs a crutch at one time or another and if they can have that fulfilled by faith rather than alcoholism or substance abuse, two thumbs up. Religious intolerance is really stupid though, and I guess it's only carried out by people who are faithful and very confident in their own beliefs over those of other people so chalk that one up against religion. I'll stop here.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Friday, January 09, 2015, 01:19:55 AM
Turning the tables, when has religion done anything worthwhile? Aside from being a mental/emotional crutch for people...
They make good money for themselves.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Spanky on Friday, January 09, 2015, 01:27:38 AM
But I think everyone needs a crutch at one time or another and if they can have that fulfilled by faith rather than alcoholism or substance abuse, two thumbs up. Religious intolerance is really stupid though, and I guess it's only carried out by people who are faithful and very confident in their own beliefs

I can agree on both points (which I rare between you & me, I know). As an atheist, I couldn't care less about anyone's religion. If you need to believe in something or be spiritual to be good in life, go for it, more power to you. But when it goes from a personal belief to a fact you're willing to die/kill to defend, that is pure insanity. I don't want to bash anyone for believing what they believe, I could easily be wrong in the grand scheme of things. It comes down to freedom, as much as I hate saying that. Anyone should be free to do as they want as long as it doesn't affect anyone else.

All that said, I still feel religion is one of those things that we need to move past as a society, as human kind.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Archeh on Friday, January 09, 2015, 01:53:37 AM
All that said, I still feel religion is one of those things that we need to move past as a society, as human kind.

Yes, there's no reason to have [for-profit] collectives of people agreeing about answers to impossibly big questions. You're right when you say it's just a crutch, I can't understand why people seek solidarity in thinking they know stuff like the nature of God or the universe. But many people do, so wishful thinking on that one.

To return to why I came into this thread, there's no reason to post inflammatory images about a prophet of a certain faith when I'd say they are above-average on the persecution scale. Yeah, *poor people* I suppose are the most persecuted people in the world. But I bet if I could find data / could be fucked to look up data on income by religion globally, Muslims are pretty darn poor. I'm reeeeally tired and can't keep track of what I'm trying to say here but basically DON'T HATE MUSLIMS BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY DO BAD THINGS. ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE DO BAD THINGS FOR ALL SORTS OF REASONS, MUSLIMS JUST GET NON-STOP MEDIA COVERAGE ABOUT HOW THEY DO IT FOR ALLAH. I read somewhere earlier today that one of the suspects mentioned US torture in Iraq being a reason why he did it so (in his mind) we started it and we continue to drone strike and torture and so many American and Western policies and norms fuck over people in the Middle East and elsewhere while *as previously mentioned* they are susceptible to propaganda telling them to fight back against the West. . . oh boy what a mess *drifts off into sleep*

*abruptly awakens* oh so yeah maybe tomorrow I'll have some ideas that go beyond Killaman's suggestion to just kill them and "give them their wish"
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Spanky on Friday, January 09, 2015, 01:59:16 AM
So to sum up;
Religion is fucked. Media is fucked. People need to calm down.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Friday, January 09, 2015, 02:37:17 AM
I am Christian, Roman Catholic and I don't see why people are so much in their religion.

As in my religion, we are not allowed to wear any necklaces that involves luck idols and so on but I still wear it sometimes. As what I think, I am happy to believe in my religion, it's just a good feeling to believe in something. I guess that what everyone thinks, they feel good in believing in something. They are religion fanatics. Muslims have their reputation go very low, low each time now, after what happened in Australia too, now it happened in France. Everyone hates Muslims and the only way to stop it for now is no more migration to Europe. I don't want to sound harsh but Muslims are taking over the world, taking over the Europe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kKkY5EpVpY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kKkY5EpVpY)

I don't hate Muslim, but their religion is the only people that do such things like terrorism. It's also between parenting and what is happening in their countries. They have conflicts with US but somehow they place their rage on Europe like Europe has done anything to Muslim but better life. Muslims have now so much priority to most of things. WHY Muslims chose Europe as a target is still unknown. We won't hate your religion if you stop being terrorists around the  globe, do something about your religion!!!!

I know what they say, I feel sorry for you, I read news a lot about it and most of the times it comes to US and Muslim conflicts. Kill all Muslims and so on, really harsh, not all the Muslims are like that, but the more you do this kind of stuff the more hate you receive.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: CS-ACI- on Friday, January 09, 2015, 03:04:25 AM
Hello,

I am agnostic.

All religions have done a lot of good, the problem is with the FANATICS on all sides.

What needs to happen is for all religious leaders on all sides and at every level the same as for non-religious leaders on all sides and at every level to speak out and say the killing is wrong for any reason.

Simple really.

Steve
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Friday, January 09, 2015, 03:50:03 AM
I guess you don't know this, AAC, but not all terrorists are muslim. Google it or something.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ronny123 on Friday, January 09, 2015, 04:41:59 AM
Good morning,i am christian catholic..
The terrorists killers were responsible for the first murder of journalists in Paris and not Islam.
In the United States conducted dozens of heinous crimes in the same way, a machine gun and automatic mass murder and accused of performing only a terrorist and is not a religion, whatever it is.
 media was quick to mention that one of the victims is a Jewish painter and overlooked the fact that the other victim, a cop is Muslim.
That what is published by the magazine does not enter into the door of freedom of opinion and accepted but incitement to religions and religious symbols (of all religions) However, it is not grappling with death, violence and terrorism. This distasteful and unacceptable morally, religiously and in principle.
Crime has coincided with graphics to offend Daash and al-Baghdadi, and not with the vile abuse of the Prophet Muhammad, which got several years ago ..
Criminals Muslim policeman were killed in cold blood outside of the building, which has nothing to do with graphics them ..
These terrorists were Takfirists I love the West for their use against others not Eetmasheun with the West and its projects and divisive colonial Arab world and the Arab and Islamic nation.
There were of course a shock, shock deceived part of the Muslims and made them believe the story that the process is actually "Revenge of the Messenger of God", and Onsthm that the process is revenge from Muslims in France and in the West, who are ahead of them difficult days full of Islamophobia and hatred by a large class of non-Muslim crimes who would fall under the influence of shock and will believe that Muslims embrace the process and that the process was in accordance with the Islamic principles of Islam and for Islam.
And actually attacks on several mosques in France have occurred in the wake of the crime and the fear stalking the Muslims of France and Europe.
Marie Lapin right leader hastened to say that the charge is a criminal who carried out the crime and not all Muslims, while the Israeli right and the Jewish private Naphtali girl rushed to dance on the blood of the French and the innuendo of the hand of Islam and Muslims and gloat what happened to the French ..
Islamophobia is not just a social phenomenon, but rather a pure anti-Semitism
. Always repeat: Islamophobia is anti-Semitic.
I am not a partner and can not be partners in the "# Ana_charli" campaign because they despise religion despite my refusal absolute repudiation of the terrible crime.
I'm with # Ana_mamed campaign ..
We condemn the heinous crime and sympathize with the families of the dead victims, Christians, Jews and Muslims because we hold the values of humanity and sanctify life of all human beings sons.
My heart with the Muslims of France and Europe....
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ganja on Friday, January 09, 2015, 09:22:12 AM
What I'd like to say is that everybody (and especially France in these dark days) should be carefull with amalgams. Sure the terrorists acted to defend their religion (in their opinion) which happens to be Islam, and ofcourse not all Islamists are terrorists, there are extremists in every religion, but I can understand why it's hard for some people not to hate or be afraid of all Islamists. And I certainly understand too that some crimes are more mediatized than others.

I hope there will be a massive response from the "normal, peacefull" Islamists to this attack to show the world they don't agree with these kind of acts and that it's not the religion that is bad, but the individual.

I don't want to bash anyone for believing what they believe, I could easily be wrong in the grand scheme of things. It comes down to freedom, as much as I hate saying that. Anyone should be free to do as they want as long as it doesn't affect anyone else..

It's a quote from Voltaire i've seen alot on the social networks these days that goes like this:

"Je ne suis pas d'accord avec ce que vous dites, mais je me battrai jusqu'? la mort pour que vous ayez le droit de le dire"

which literally means: "I do not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Archeh on Friday, January 09, 2015, 13:52:39 PM
@Ronny *salutes*

@AAC, I laugh at you. Muslims are taking over Europe and the world?

(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F7gwTRyi.png&hash=c853d7301bd593ddeb6065ea9d802464)

Much of the Middle East is ravaged by violence and explosions. If I lived there, I'd probably just move to Europe cuz there's not much they can do to fight back or reclaim their land or culture when robots patrol the skies and the local elite don't give a shit about them. Your fear reminds me of my grandmother when I talk to her about the #BlackLivesMatter protests.

And lastly,

@Ganja, Voltaire also said that Jews are goat fuckers
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Spanky on Friday, January 09, 2015, 14:37:35 PM
*gasps* they are the 1% in the US!
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Friday, January 09, 2015, 14:44:57 PM
Of course there are other religion terrorists, but mostly what I hear is always a Muslim.

Yes, they are, here in UK, let's take London and other big cities you all find immigrants, not likely to see a British human being there nowadays. 7.6% in Europe at the moment, but if there are already so many terrorist attacks in Europe, I cannot imagine when the number grows what will happen in the future.

Millions of Muslims have nothing to do with terror but hundreds of thousands support jihad, suicide bombings and even the Islamic State.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ganja on Friday, January 09, 2015, 14:53:16 PM
@Ronny *salutes*

@AAC, I laugh at you. Muslims are taking over Europe and the world?

(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F7gwTRyi.png&hash=c853d7301bd593ddeb6065ea9d802464)

Much of the Middle East is ravaged by violence and explosions. If I lived there, I'd probably just move to Europe cuz there's not much they can do to fight back or reclaim their land or culture when robots patrol the skies and the local elite don't give a shit about them. Your fear reminds me of my grandmother when I talk to her about the #BlackLivesMatter protests.

And lastly,

@Ganja, Voltaire also said that Jews are goat fuckers

Where did you get these numbers? I'm pretty certain there's more than 6% muslims in Belgium.
And about Voltaire, I only quoted him cauz I think it's a good concept. You don't have to agree with people but everyone has a right to express himself without being harmed
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Spanky on Friday, January 09, 2015, 14:54:58 PM
mostly what I hear is always a Muslim.

Like I said, media is fucked.

Hardcore Christians don't support abortions. That's pretty terrorizing to a soon-to-be mother with an unwanted child. Gay bashing is pretty terrorizing to homosexual individuals. Just because of religious beliefs, it's silly.

It all depends on how you look at it.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Friday, January 09, 2015, 14:55:51 PM
Here is a real numbers http://www.muslimpopulation.com/Europe/ (http://www.muslimpopulation.com/Europe/) and idk I think he got the old numbers from somewhere.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Friday, January 09, 2015, 14:59:14 PM
Like I said, media is fucked.

Hardcore Christians don't support abortions. That's pretty terrorizing to a soon-to-be mother with an unwanted child. Gay bashing is pretty terrorizing to homosexual individuals. Just because of religious beliefs, it's silly.

It all depends on how you look at it.

I hate gay or homosexual people not because of my religion, I just do because it's not right. The question is simple, why is there a women for? Men and Women must be together not men with men, you get my point? Homosexual is some kind of weird people community who think it is right, but it is not. They do not deserve place on earth and they should be burned. I do believe in my religion but doing something terrorising is not right and I would never do anything to hurt another human being who is innocent. By the way I do not support abortion because of my religion, that's right and I don't think it's right for women to do abortion, it can affect her future pregnancy and there could be serious causes doing this abortion stuff, like no children in the future and so on, if you want a child you plan it out.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:08:28 PM
Here is a real numbers http://www.muslimpopulation.com/Europe/ (http://www.muslimpopulation.com/Europe/) and idk I think he got the old numbers from somewhere.
Those numbers are not too different from what he posted. Some are higher, some are lower. But not conisderably.

As for gay-hating... I'll better not go into it, but most people know who pretend to hate gays the most.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:11:04 PM
but most people know who pretend to hate gays the most.
who lol
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ganja on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:15:08 PM
I hate gay or homosexual people not because of my religion, I just do because it's not right. The question is simple, why is there a women for? Men and Women must be together not men with men, you get my point? Homosexual is some kind of weird people community who think it is right, but it is not. They do not deserve place on earth and they should be burned. I do believe in my religion but doing something terrorising is not right and I would never do anything to hurt another human being who is innocent. By the way I do not support abortion because of my religion, that's right and I don't think it's right for women to do abortion, it can affect her future pregnancy and there could be serious causes doing this abortion stuff, like no children in the future and so on, if you want a child you plan it out.

Man you're hardcore ... I could defend abortion and gay's for ever but this ain't the topic. Spanky was just saying, not only Muslims do bad things, but the media decided what to focus on and what not.

And yes Archec, apparently the numbers are right, surprising indeed
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: SASF-DarkShooter on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:18:51 PM
I hate gay or homosexual people not because of my religion, I just do because it's not right. The question is simple, why is there a women for? Men and Women must be together not men with men, you get my point? Homosexual is some kind of weird people community who think it is right, but it is not. They do not deserve place on earth and they should be burned. I do believe in my religion but doing something terrorising is not right and I would never do anything to hurt another human being who is innocent. By the way I do not support abortion because of my religion, that's right and I don't think it's right for women to do abortion, it can affect her future pregnancy and there could be serious causes doing this abortion stuff, like no children in the future and so on, if you want a child you plan it out.
You just opened a huge shithole for yourself.

Homosexuality is human. It even used to be much more accepted at certain points in history, than it is nowadays. The thing about your post that troubles me, is that you are under the impression that they should be burned. A person is born as a homosexual, or the person is not. Some might discover it later on in their lives, and some know it since their early days. But why should they be burned? How does it trouble you, that some random dude fucks another dude, in stead of a woman, how does that influence you. Does it damage you in any some sort of way? The world nowadays is extremely intolerant, why can't you let someone live their lives the way they want it, as long as it doesn't significantly hurt anybody else?
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: SASF-DarkShooter on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:24:20 PM
Man you're hardcore ... I could defend abortion and gay's for ever but this ain't the topic. Spanky was just saying, not only Muslims do bad things, but the media decided what to focus on and what not.

And yes Archec, apparently the numbers are right, surprising indeed
I might be wrong, but don't you live in Brussels? That would explain your idea of the amount of muslims being higher in Belgium than that it actually is. I often go to Bruges, as my girlfriend lives there and frequently visit other Belgian cities a long the way. Brussels and Antwerp really have a high concentration of immigrants, compared to cities as Ghent and Bruges. Also try to bear in mind that spread throughout the country, and especially the tinier towns and cities there will be less immigrants. People of one ethnic group tend to live in a same area to preserve a part of their own culture in the city/country they moved to. Most notably the various Chinatowns all over the world.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Spanky on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:25:33 PM
I'll be realistic here, I don't think homosexuality, transgender or any of that stuff is 'right'. Not by nature's standards. Something caused that. I don't know if there's more gays/trans because they're speaking up more or if something in the environment is causing it. That's something that should be looked into.

The issue is, you're bashing a person for something they have no control over. Should you be burned because of your hair color? Should you be burned because you have a toe that's slightly crooked? That's what's wrong.

Religion tends to bring out extreme ideals because people take it as fact rather than a belief system.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Archeh on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:28:55 PM
lol this thread just got even more fun

Army Anti Cheat:

Have you considered that you are a terrorist? Your thoughts on homosexuality and abortion would surely cause terror in many people. Oh wait, you can't be a terrorist because you're Christian.


You think gays should be burned, but would never harm an innocent person.
You worry about a future in which THERE ARE NO KIDS because of the prevalence of abortion.

Think about how stupid that is. Only God can judge, mothersucker.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: SASF-DarkShooter on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:29:45 PM
I'll be realistic here, I don't think homosexuality, transgender or any of that stuff is 'right'. Not by nature's standards. Something caused that. I don't know if there's more gays/trans because they're speaking up more or if something in the environment is causing it. That's something that should be looked into.

The issue is, you're bashing a person for something they have no control over. Should you be burned because of your hair color? Should you be burned because you have a toe that's slightly crooked? That's what's wrong.

Religion tends to bring out extreme ideals because people take it as fact rather than a belief system.
Homosexuality and such are more globally accepted than let's say, 20 years ago. That's making it easier for the 'closet-case' people to come out as a homosexual I think. The digital age, social media, most prominently Tumblr I believe are showing a lot of young people that it's not wrong to be gay. Also the decline of religious people everywhere is giving it a push, as a lot of the hatred towards gay people, and other sexually orientated people comes from various religious rather than people their own right thinking mind.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:39:36 PM
Maybe I said too harsh about burning them, it was just a saying, didn't really meant it.

You know what gay people damage? Our generation, yes, you may think about your kids, think about you having a boy and becoming homosexual, would you like that? Would you like your boy to take example from some kind creepy dude? I worry more about generation, about my kids, what I will say to them, I would never want my kids to be like these shit holes. Now more gay people getting involved in the festivals, concerts and so on, soon we will see gay people in politics who control our countries, woohoo. That's what i mean. I am not a terrorist, but I would be at some point pissed if someone was saying bad about my religion and in what I believe. I take my words back since I do like British army and who knows where I go in the future, maybe I go to war, I might be killing innocent people, but that's how life goes, media does the most part.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:45:46 PM
I believe the Greeks used to say (way back when, you know) "Women for the business, men for the pleasure" or something like that.
While I don't know if that's strictly true, I do believe there was a time in history when it was OK to have a younger man as a "companion" for another man.

So in that sense, there's been better times for other sexual orientations.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: SASF-DarkShooter on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:47:39 PM
Maybe I said too harsh about burning them, it was just a saying, didn't really meant it.

You know what gay people damage? Our generation, yes, you may think about your kids, think about you having a boy and becoming homosexual, would you like that? Would you like your boy to take example from some kind creepy dude? I worry more about generation, about my kids, what I will say to them, I would never want my kids to be like these shit holes. Now more gay people getting involved in the festivals, concerts and so on, soon we will see gay people in politics who control our countries, woohoo. That's what i mean. I am not a terrorist, but I would be at some point pissed if someone was saying bad about my religion and in what I believe. I take my words back since I do like British army and who knows where I go in the future, maybe I go to war, I might be killing innocent people, but that's how life goes, media does the most part.
Here's a list which might make you want to kill yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_first_LGBT_holders_of_political_offices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_first_LGBT_holders_of_political_offices)

Furthermore, it wouldn't make a single fucking difference if a possible offspring of mine would be either gay, straight, transgender, or whatever the fuck the child would identify with. As long as the kid's happy, that's the most important, isn't it? But do you know how those little kids, who might be homosexual stay unhappy? Because ignorant little fucks like you, who try to make them feel bad for something they can not do anything about. It's something they can't choose, what people can choose is what religion they believe in. You can choose to accept homosexuals, as they have been a part of society since fucking eternity. Something that your religion hasn't been.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Archeh on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:48:48 PM
OH MY GOD IMAGINE IF THERE WERE GAYS IN POLITICS... THEN POLITICIANS MIGHT NOT REPRESENT ME AND MY INTERESTS!! THEY WOULD REPRESENT HOMOSEXUAL INTERESTS! PROBABLY INCREASE FUNDING FOR BUTT PLUGS OR SOMETHING INSTEAD OF WARS AND CRUISE MISSILES



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/gunman-holding-hostages-at-jewellery-shop-in-french-city-of-montpellier-9969270.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/gunman-holding-hostages-at-jewellery-shop-in-french-city-of-montpellier-9969270.html)

"not related to terrorism" yet causing a lot of terror. but not Muslim = not terrorist
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: SASF-DarkShooter on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:49:17 PM
I believe the Greeks used to say (way back when, you know) "Women for the business, men for the pleasure" or something like that.
While I don't know if that's strictly true, I do believe there was a time in history when it was OK to have a younger man as a "companion" for another man.

So in that sense, there's been better times for other sexual orientations.
You are correct. I think it was most prominently accepted during the Roman empire, if I recall correctly Emperor Nero even married a man.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:50:03 PM
Maybe I said too harsh about burning them, it was just a saying, didn't really meant it.

You know what gay people damage? Our generation, yes, you may think about your kids, think about you having a boy and becoming homosexual, would you like that? Would you like your boy to take example from some kind creepy dude? I worry more about generation, about my kids, what I will say to them, I would never want my kids to be like these shit holes. Now more gay people getting involved in the festivals, concerts and so on, soon we will see gay people in politics who control our countries, woohoo. That's what i mean. I am not a terrorist, but I would be at some point pissed if someone was saying bad about my religion and in what I believe. I take my words back since I do like British army and who knows where I go in the future, maybe I go to war, I might be killing innocent people, but that's how life goes, media does the most part.
It looks to me as if you're saying gay people are bad people because of their sexual orientation. That's just sad for you.

Most gay people you would not recognize on the street. They do all the same stuff all the other people do. Most people probably know quite a few gay actors, prime examples might be Neil Patrick Harris (played Barney Stinson in How I Met Your Mother) and Jim Parsons (plays Sheldon Cooper on The Big Bang Theory). You wouldn't know that they're gay just by seeing them act the same way you wouldn't know they're gay when they walk up to you on the street.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:50:14 PM
I believe the Greeks used to say (way back when, you know) "Women for the business, men for the pleasure" or something like that.
While I don't know if that's strictly true, I do believe there was a time in history when it was OK to have a younger man as a "companion" for another man.

So in that sense, there's been better times for other sexual orientations.

I think it got much worse to this day, but I think we pretty much all went out of discussion lol
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:53:01 PM
what people can choose is what religion they believe in.
That's not strictly true in all cases. People are often born into very religious families, raised within that religion. They know nothing else. How can they choose when that religion is the only thing in the world that they know?
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Spanky on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:53:44 PM
You know what gay people damage? Our generation, yes, you may think about your kids, think about you having a boy and becoming homosexual, would you like that? Would you like your boy to take example from some kind creepy dude?

I'm as worried about that as I am worried that a Hindu would force him to never eat: Not at all.

If that's what he likes and wants to do, great. I'm not in any place to deem good or bad on how someone lives their life, nor are you if you remember, that's your god's job.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:57:23 PM
Well I wouldn't just be a prick to my kid if he chose that way as example, I would be damn pissed and annoyed but would try to stay as clam as possible ad not get into his life. But if he would ask me if its bad or good I would tell him damn right it's bad and those homo dudes can fuck off, they are not normal people. Their sex orientation must be some kindly broken or out of place. I would tell him it's not normal and how bad it is, but at the end of the day it's his choice.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:58:57 PM
Well I wouldn't just be a prick to my kid if he chose that way as example, I would be damn pissed and annoyed but would try to stay as clam as possible ad not get into his life. But if he would ask me if its bad or good I would tell him damn right it's bad and those homo dudes can fuck off, they are not normal people. Their sex orientation must be some kindly broken or out of place. I would tell him it's not normal and how bad it is, but at the end of the day it's his choice.
You would tell him how bad it is? Well educate me. Tell me just how bad it is?
Or are you still stuck on "gays are evil"?
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Spanky on Friday, January 09, 2015, 15:59:54 PM
Yea, daddy, how bad is it? I like feeling Jack's throbbing cock in my mouth.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Friday, January 09, 2015, 16:01:45 PM
I would damn tell him that he would be a public objective where everyone would laugh at him and where would he go in job career and so on, hey guys now you accusing me of what I belief. It sucks how people overreact to other opinions. That's how religion wars starts.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: SASF-DarkShooter on Friday, January 09, 2015, 16:02:38 PM
That's not strictly true in all cases. People are often born into very religious families, raised within that religion. They know nothing else. How can they choose when that religion is the only thing in the world that they know?
You're right, but I was mostly talking about being able to choose your religion in our current western society, which is a choice. With the exception of a few cults scattered around the globe. Nowadays, in most of  the developed western countries you get so much information about various religions, cultures and lifestyles that it's basically a choice. I would've fully agreed with you if we were talking about 60 years ago.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: SASF-DarkShooter on Friday, January 09, 2015, 16:05:06 PM
I would damn tell him that he would be a public objective where everyone would laugh at him and where would he go in job career and so on, hey guys now you accusing me of what I belief. It sucks how people overreact to other opinions. That's how religion wars starts.
It's not wrong to be homosexual, it's wrong to laugh at or bully someone for being homosexual. And yes, I take offense to what you say about homosexuals, as various friends and acquaintances of mine are homosexual. I won't think of you less of a person, just small minded as fuck. I wouldn't mind you thinking it not being okay, but don't limit others in their lifestyles because you think it's wrong.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Friday, January 09, 2015, 16:05:55 PM
The biggest war going on in religion and seems like never ending story, US government vs Muslims, that's all to say really.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Friday, January 09, 2015, 16:06:33 PM
You're right, but I was mostly talking about being able to choose your religion in our current western society, which is a choice. With the exception of a few cults scattered around the globe. Nowadays, in most of  the developed western countries you get so much information about various religions, cultures and lifestyles that it's basically a choice. I would've fully agreed with you if we were talking about 60 years ago.
I agree with you, in most of wester civilation this is true. However, if you look at the world as a whole, the western civilation is really not the majority of the population.

But with all of us here who have access to the Internet, I'm sure that at least 95% of us are from the so called western civilation so it does apply to all of us here.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Friday, January 09, 2015, 16:08:30 PM
It's not wrong to be homosexual, it's wrong to laugh at or bully someone for being homosexual. And yes, I take offense to what you say about homosexuals, as various friends and acquaintances of mine are homosexual. I won't think of you less of a person, just small minded as fuck. I wouldn't mind you thinking it not being okay, but don't limit others in their lifestyles because you think it's wrong.

I never laughed at someone who is homosexual, I don't know what i would say or do, but it just gives me disgrace about homosexuals, no offence to you sasf, never said a damn bad wrong about you, but sad how you called me little fuck and so on on this thread.
Title: Guys, On Topic please ...
Post by: NoBigDeal on Friday, January 09, 2015, 16:08:57 PM
...
DON'T HATE MUSLIMS BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY DO BAD THINGS.
...
Really ..? Then I have bad news for you: over the last century, they are playing the lead role in terrorism ... especially don't tell me, that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism all over the world.

I come from a Catholic family - a very traditional one, but ... In the nineties, I was part of UNPROFOR in Ex-Yugoslavia and I saw what people can do in the name of God - and they were not some sporadic fanatics ... it was the entire nations. Once we found something, what even media wasn't allowed to publish - don't ask me what kind of insanity I saw ... Enough said, that at this day I stopped believe in God. Believe me ...

... if God existed, then he wouldn't allow for such bestiality ...


Now as an atheist I believe I have more respect for God and His believers than believers among themselves - regardless of religion.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Friday, January 09, 2015, 16:11:07 PM
You came from catholic to atheist? wow have no more comment.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: SASF-DarkShooter on Friday, January 09, 2015, 16:13:00 PM
You came from catholic to atheist? wow have no more comment.
I've been raised as a catholic myself, but have always been told to be open minded and choose what I believed in, rather than believing what my parents did. I chose to explore several religions and cultures and found out that it all seems ridiculous to me. Especially as most of the religions are all based on the same things.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Spanky on Friday, January 09, 2015, 16:13:13 PM
The bottom line is that it's wrong to attack someone in ANY manner for what they believe or who they are.

It's ok for me to believe that any religion is a fucked, idiotic, caveman-esque view on the world. But if I attack someone for believing that way, that is wrong. Whether I bully them, hit them or kill them.

Why is it wrong? Well, morally, it's good to be nice to people. Also, a persons beliefs, opinions or physical attributes have little reflection on their character. That's the only thing you can attack or applaud someone for, their character, how they carry themselves in a day to day life. You call someone out for being an asshole or you thank someone for being kind.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Friday, January 09, 2015, 16:16:09 PM
You came from catholic to atheist? wow have no more comment.
He gave you the comments on why he did it.
The bottom line is that it's wrong to attack someone in ANY manner for what they believe or who they are.

It's ok for me to believe that any religion is a fucked, idiotic, caveman-esque view on the world. But if I attack someone for believing that way, that is wrong. Whether I bully them, hit them or kill them.

Why is it wrong? Well, morally, it's good to be nice to people. Also, a persons beliefs, opinions or physical attributes have little reflection on their character. That's the only thing you can attack or applaud someone for, their character, how they carry themselves in a day to day life. You call someone out for being an asshole or you thank someone for being kind.
Nice post :)
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Friday, January 09, 2015, 16:18:29 PM
I've been raised as a catholic myself, but have always been told to be open minded and choose what I believed in, rather than believing what my parents did. I chose to explore several religions and cultures and found out that it all seems ridiculous to me. Especially as most of the religions are all based on the same things.

Sadly I grew in the family where I only knew Catholic, my whole family Catholic and I even had to go to classes in the church and school for that to be able to marry in the catholic church, that's how life took me to believe in what I believe now. I don't think you can hate me for that and I am not going to change my religion at this time where I don't feel need of it.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Archeh on Friday, January 09, 2015, 16:25:36 PM
Really ..? Then I have bad news for you: over the last century, they are playing the lead role in terrorism ... especially don't tell me, that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism all over the world.

Genocide in Eastern Europe was terrible and I feel for all the victims, their families, and those like you who went in and saw it as it happened. That was terrorism.

RIGHT NOW, genocidal violence and terrorism is occurring all over the globe and not only by Muslims against non-believers. It's happening in West Africa, where the elites and government ignore human and organ trafficking and murder rates skyrocket. It's happening in Myanmar, where Buddhists (only by name, not practice) are wiping out an entire nation of Muslims. There, Islam only makes up a small percentage of the population but fears that Muslims are taking over (the same fears seen in this thread) drive genocide. Look at Syria, Gaza, and Yemen where Arabs are the victims of terrorism.

Just because the news obsesses over brown-on-white violence doesn't mean it's the most common. What about Boko Haram killing thousands this week? Nobody cares? More concern over a handful of racist French cartoonists? Only American and European lives matter?

*EDIT*

This thread reminds me of the DRAAT forums
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Friday, January 09, 2015, 16:28:26 PM
Sadly I grew in the family where I only knew Catholic, my whole family Catholic and I even had to go to classes in the church and school for that to be able to marry in the catholic church, that's how life took me to believe in what I believe now. I don't think you can hate me for that and I am not going to change my religion at this time where I don't feel need of it.
I don't believe anyone said they're hating you for that. Or maybe I missed it, this thread is growing so fast...

I think one can believe whatever they want as long as they don't force others to believe in the same thing against their will or in any other way go into conflict with other people's rights and civil liberties.

But the problem is, most relgions believe whoever believes something else is a pagan and will end up in hell. Each religion wants to rule the world. Some act on it more than others, but like has been said, a lot of it is based on the same stories anyway.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Friday, January 09, 2015, 16:41:16 PM
By the reports, all the terrorists are dead. Two brothers has been killed and the innocent civilian that they were holding is alive. The other terrorist who attacked the store has been taken down( his girlfriend escaped), 4 innocents civilians died there.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ganja on Saturday, January 10, 2015, 06:52:40 AM
Just because the news obsesses over brown-on-white violence doesn't mean it's the most common. What about Boko Haram killing thousands this week? Nobody cares? More concern over a handful of racist French cartoonists? Only American and European lives matter?

*EDIT*

This thread reminds me of the DRAAT forums

That's the sad truth. I heard about Boko Haram just killing entire villages these days and nobody gives a sh!t in Europe, probably just because it's far away and doesn't affect them.

@Dark: You're right, I didn't think about that, there's way more than 6% Muslims in Brussels, thanks for clearing this out for me ^^

@ AAC: You're saying homosexual people are creepy, broken and you wouldn't want your son to be ... What do you think about handicaped people? They're broken they should be burned? If you're not like everyone else you must be burned? Like it was mentionned above, about homosexuality AND religion, people must be more open minded !
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Alex on Saturday, January 10, 2015, 14:26:11 PM
Just because the news obsesses over brown-on-white violence doesn't mean it's the most common. What about Boko Haram killing thousands this week? Nobody cares? More concern over a handful of racist French cartoonists? Only American and European lives matter?

*EDIT*

This thread reminds me of the DRAAT forums
You're talking about people being on a high horse earlier yet you come in here believing you're better than us just because we're talking about an act of terrorism that happened in a country that doesn't normally get terror attacks?

You know damn well why it's getting more coverage. Or maybe you're just ignorant, so I'll explain it to you. Europe and the United States are not used to this kind of violence. Africa has been experiencing that kind of violence for a long time. Yes it's worse, yes, it's tragic, but it doesn't have the shock factor because it's been happening for so long. It's the same reason why police killings here in the U.S. get more coverage than the numerous killings in, say, Chicago. Yeah, a hell of a lot more murders happen in the slums of Chicago than police shooting people, but police shootings are much more rare, thus it gets more attention. I'd also like to add that people are more concerned when trouble is much closer to them. Africa is far away, both physically and socially. but a developed nation like France? It's much closer to home than Africa. We can identify with the French much more than with those in Africa.  It may not be fair, but that's the way the world works.
This is not necessarily a bad thing either. If we were to mourn ever loss of life equally, we'd all be emotional wrecks unable to live our lives. So in the words you used earlier, get off your high horse. We're just talking about the attack, you didn't need to turn this into a human psychology discussion. The only person trying to turn this into a draat style flame war is you. Just let people mourn this attack and move on.
 
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Archeh on Saturday, January 10, 2015, 15:41:15 PM
Okay keep parroting the same statements we've all heard time and time again, enjoy that discussion. Only flaming I did was toward the Army dude and I wasn't alone in that. Just because you think Africa and Middle East are so doomed we shouldn't even discuss terrorism there doesn't mean I agree. Or I guess I could take that discussion out of the Charlie Hebdo thread. Would you prefer if I made a thread for each and every terrorist action so as to keep our mourning compartmentalized?

EDIT:
For what it's worth, I thought the DRAAT forums had pretty good discussion. Lots of differing viewpoints and hot topics = lots of angry posts, but I thought that was okay. Herrmoo and scandii made my day countless times with their no-nonsense posts.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Saturday, January 10, 2015, 16:15:40 PM
Okay keep parroting the same statements we've all heard time and time again, enjoy that discussion. Only flaming I did was toward the Army dude and I wasn't alone in that. Just because you think Africa and Middle East are so doomed we shouldn't even discuss terrorism there doesn't mean I agree. Or I guess I could take that discussion out of the Charlie Hebdo thread. Would you prefer if I made a thread for each and every terrorist action so as to keep our mourning compartmentalized?

EDIT:
For what it's worth, I thought the DRAAT forums had pretty good discussion. Lots of differing viewpoints and hot topics = lots of angry posts, but I thought that was okay. Herrmoo and scandii made my day countless times with their no-nonsense posts.
I actually didn't think you meant anything bad by saying it looked like DRAAT forums. But I guess Killaman disagreed. And I don't believe I ever visited DRAAT forums, so what do I know, huh? :D

Now Scandii... there's a guy I haven't spoken to in a long ass while. Apparently he's the president of ESN Boras or something now (I checked on facebook). I think it's Erasmus Student Network or something.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ronny123 on Saturday, January 10, 2015, 18:34:28 PM
every one is talking about the islamist guys that killed the 12..what about the terroist and the reason for this fucking terror? thoose christians who wrote shit about islam and mohammad?
i'm christian , just trying to show that in both sides there are terror..there are shit muslims , therre are shit christians :)
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Vanoke on Saturday, January 10, 2015, 18:48:35 PM
http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/john-lennons-imagine-made-into-a-comic-strip/ (http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/john-lennons-imagine-made-into-a-comic-strip/)
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: NoBigDeal on Saturday, January 10, 2015, 19:47:56 PM
@Archeh: In your previous post you've made a very good point, but we'll discuss this later.
First we need to clarify (because you don't know, wanna know or deliberately you're trying to divert our attention) some misunderstanding on your end:

p1. Globalisation:
    I see only one person who notoriously is doing this ...
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used the word "Islamist" when they meant to say "jihadist"
Here you've splitted Muslims in two, but here ...
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DON'T HATE MUSLIMS BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY DO BAD THINGS.
... and here (even worse, you have splitted the entire world on two) ...
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terrorism is occurring all over the globe and not only by Muslims against non-believers.
... you defending them as one. I can understand that - most probably you belongs to moderate Muslims - but for us (non-believers) because of the same religion, you are the one ... and is up to Muslims to deal with their internal problem.
Second: splitting the entire world on two is the biggest problem in Islam, which didn't change in the past five hundred years - same for most its major principles - are obsolete. Islam needs to evolve ...

p2. Terrorism:
This is not about terrorism in the global sense - it's about Islamic terrorism  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism) ... most unpredictable. Only this kind of terrorism can justify killing 10 innocent people to kill 1 target - worse, they believe in glory to die in the process.

p3. Media:
It's like KiLLaMaN said - they are like hyenas ...


Now back to your point:
True, what's happening now worldwide is unbelievable - way beyond my comprehension ... so sad - I feel really sorry for them ... More humankind is technologically advanced, becomes less forgiving, tolerant ...
Moreover, even some US army interventions (under the guise of 'defending democracy') could be counted as terrorism (in the global sense). I can understand when something is a direct threat, but not when it's happens on the other side the globe. So please America, stay home, it's not your business ... you're playing a dangerous game, which eventually will blow in your face.

Last thing:
I hope, Islam will change (soon - very soon ...) - be more open, tolerant, respectful and most important: will start to recognise the other religions (in the end it's about the same God, only different interpretation). If not - at some point -  the rest of the world can / will say 'We or Islam' ... and this will fuckt up everything and everyone.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: SASF-DarkShooter on Saturday, January 10, 2015, 20:46:14 PM
every one is talking about the islamist guys that killed the 12..what about the terroist and the reason for this fucking terror? thoose christians who wrote shit about islam and mohammad?
i'm christian , just trying to show that in both sides there are terror..there are shit muslims , therre are shit christians :)
As far as I know, it had nothing to do with them being christians(I even doubt that's a case, for all of them at least), just them portraying a certain spiritual figure in Islam to which they took offense to. It being forbidden in Islam to portray Mohammed. Them portraying him in a satirical manner is what fully triggered it.

Just to clarify, I do not think the terrorists, henceforth going to be called douchebags, had any justified motive for it. There was a theory going on here, by a terrorism expert that it was mostly an act of Al Qaeda to get 'back in the picture' again, with IS stealing their thunder lately. They just chose a victim, but could've been anything really. If that was indeed the case, it definitely worked.

Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Possessed on Sunday, January 11, 2015, 00:51:40 AM
They've paid the price for their pseudo Freedom of speech.
The cops that faced the terrorists were UNARMED.
Who to blame, the terrorists or France? Sure is France imo, they let those guys live there, they let cops choose not to work with guns, wich for me is ridiculous.
O Mito da Minoria Radical Muçulmana (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3fWVO0VA1U#ws)
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Alex on Sunday, January 11, 2015, 01:06:12 AM
They've paid the price for their pseudo Freedom of speech.
The cops that faced the terrorists were UNARMED.
Who to blame, the terrorists or France? Sure is France imo, they let those guys live there, they let cops choose not to work with guns, wich for me is ridiculous.
O Mito da Minoria Radical Muçulmana (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3fWVO0VA1U#ws)
Please tell me this is a fucking joke. Please...
I don't think I've ever seen victim blaming this extreme...
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ganja on Sunday, January 11, 2015, 05:11:46 AM
every one is talking about the islamist guys that killed the 12..what about the terroist and the reason for this fucking terror? thoose christians who wrote shit about islam and mohammad?
i'm christian , just trying to show that in both sides there are terror..there are shit muslims , therre are shit christians :)

So for you it's the same kind of terror: making a caricature of something and shooting unarmed civilians .. They didn't write shit. And it's not only against the Islam; the Vatican had several processes already against the magazine, which they always lost. Religious people should be more open minded ...

Anyway for me it's uncomprehensible how people still believe in some kind of "god" with all the terror and disaster happening all around the world ..
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ronny123 on Sunday, January 11, 2015, 07:47:20 AM
ganja bro... i miss u first :)
man they draw an image : one of ISIL  Slaying mohammad,their Propher.. thats the reason why they attacked,but dont get me wrong,.. i am not defending on theese terroits ,they are shittter :)
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Archeh on Sunday, January 11, 2015, 15:42:46 PM
*sigh* No Mr. No Big Deal, I'm not a moderate Muslim. I'm simply agnostic, and focus a lot more on politics than religion, though there's a helluva lot of politics in religion. I haven't split the world into Muslims and non-believers, and I haven't even split Muslims into good and bad - "Islamists" doesn't automatically mean extremists, while "Jihadists" does. That's the distinction I wanted to make earlier in the thread. I'm gonna try to wrap this up because I don't want to keep saying the same things over and over but every time I post someone replies directly to quotes from my post.

Only this kind of terrorism can justify killing 10 innocent people to kill 1 target

I'll briefly touch on this because it isn't true. Look at drone strikes in Yemen or Pakistan, the victims are almost always innocent civilians. Or Israel bombing Gaza. In these cases, innocent Muslims are killed.

What I wanted to do most in this thread was point out hypocrisy. Today in Paris lots of people marched for freedom and to express solidarity with victims of terrorism. Included were many world leaders who are at least partly responsible for imprisonment, torture, or murder of journalists. I'm pretty sure that Netanyahu from Israel (many journalists dead in Gaza in 2014) and Abbas from Hamas (jailed journalists) both attended. I know Ali Bongo from Gabon was there (former French colony, today home to ritual killings, organ harvesting, and the persecution of journalists who report on it). Eric Holder. Friqqin' ASSAD in Syria made a statement. Various officials from the Middle East and North Africa who crack down on opposition journalists. These people are praising freedom in the march, yet they do not allow freedoms to their own citizens. I personally consider many of these high-profile attendees "passive" terrorists because they have power to prevent violence and don't - but don't think I consider them the same as "active" terrorists. And finally, the single most disappointing fact in all of this for me: during Israel's campaign in Gaza last summer, Paris banned pro-Palestinian protests. Do you see why I find this solidarity bittersweet? It's because it's so often reserved for the privileged.

These murders are tragic, and of course I stand against terrorism and jihad. Killaman already said why they receive so much attention when elsewhere murders do not. He's right, but I think that's all the more reason to focus on the forgotten people. Don't think I'm only saying all of this because I myself am a Muslim. I'm definitely not lol. I think I'm probably done posting in this thread, but I guess we'll see where it goes from here...
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ganja on Sunday, January 11, 2015, 17:49:52 PM

I'll briefly touch on this because it isn't true. Look at drone strikes in Yemen or Pakistan, the victims are almost always innocent civilians. Or Israel bombing Gaza. In these cases, innocent Muslims are killed.

What I wanted to do most in this thread was point out hypocrisy. Today in Paris lots of people marched for freedom and to express solidarity with victims of terrorism. Included were many world leaders who are at least partly responsible for imprisonment, torture, or murder of journalists. I'm pretty sure that Netanyahu from Israel (many journalists dead in Gaza in 2014) and Abbas from Hamas (jailed journalists) both attended. I know Ali Bongo from Gabon was there (former French colony, today home to ritual killings, organ harvesting, and the persecution of journalists who report on it). Eric Holder. Friqqin' ASSAD in Syria made a statement. Various officials from the Middle East and North Africa who crack down on opposition journalists. These people are praising freedom in the march, yet they do not allow freedoms to their own citizens. I personally consider many of these high-profile attendees "passive" terrorists because they have power to prevent violence and don't - but don't think I consider them the same as "active" terrorists. And finally, the single most disappointing fact in all of this for me: during Israel's campaign in Gaza last summer, Paris banned pro-Palestinian protests. Do you see why I find this solidarity bittersweet? It's because it's so often reserved for the privileged.


I feel you, there's a lot of hypocrisy in this march, like you said some important people attended it while they don't give a shit about freedom of speech, BUT for the majority it was just all the French people showing or trying to show they are not scared, that they wont stop writing what they do, that there will still be freedom of speech, and most and foremost to grieve with what just happened in their country so it's kinda hard to say it's the entire march that's hypocrit ...
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Nip! on Monday, January 12, 2015, 16:29:23 PM
His fault. He shouldnt at any cost make a caricature of Mohammed al. Sallam. Thats very very very sensitive to Muslims, especially those terrorists.

Thats my two cents, idgaf About other opinions, so don't even Quote me.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: CS-ACI- on Monday, January 12, 2015, 16:58:55 PM
Hello,
His fault. He shouldnt at any cost make a caricature of Mohammed al. Sallam. Thats very very very sensitive to Muslims, especially those terrorists.

Thats my two cents, idgaf About other opinions, so don't even Quote me.
That last line speaks volumes.

Do you even understand the principals of Free Speech and Freedom of Expression?

Steve
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Alex on Monday, January 12, 2015, 17:34:30 PM
Hello,That last line speaks volumes.

Do you even understand the principals of Free Speech and Freedom of Expression?

Steve
He's trolling, just ignore him.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Nip! on Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 03:14:42 AM
Hello,That last line speaks volumes.

Do you even understand the principals of Free Speech and Freedom of Expression?

Steve

I repeat, sensitive stuff that is for Islam, I got smacked by my Father badly when I was young and said " Mohammed who?! ", and we're not even that religious as other people are, I can imagine Imam's feeling now & others, I am just expressing my feeling about this, he shouldn't do it, and no I'm not trolling. Everyone has freedom of speech, especially Media, but that crossed the line 19080928301983x.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 05:55:34 AM
His fault. He shouldnt at any cost make a caricature of Mohammed al. Sallam.

he shouldn't do it, and no I'm not trolling. Everyone has freedom of speech, especially Media, but that crossed the line 19080928301983x.

Who is "he" ? It's not as if they targeted only 1 guy ...
And in my opinion you can't say "there is freedom of speech but they crossed the line". Either there is, or there isn't freedom of speech
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Nip! on Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 06:02:56 AM
Who is "he" ? It's not as if they targeted only 1 guy ...
And in my opinion you can't say "there is freedom of speech but they crossed the line". Either there is, or there isn't freedom of speech

Who started it, who made the intention, who gave that shit creativity? That Hebdo guy, thats who I aimed.

Freedom of Speech is something else, humiliating a Prophet is just.... w/e.

I'm not saying its not tragical, nor I am saying it had to be done. condolences to the victims family. Could've been solved in another way.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 08:04:10 AM
Who started it, who made the intention, who gave that shit creativity? That Hebdo guy, thats who I aimed.

It's the entire magazine that had such humor, that was open minded, not one guy ;) I believe autoderision (does that word exist in english?) is the funniest humor, pitty the terrorists didn't think that way
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: SASF-DarkShooter on Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 08:54:46 AM
Who is "he" ? It's not as if they targeted only 1 guy ...
And in my opinion you can't say "there is freedom of speech but they crossed the line". Either there is, or there isn't freedom of speech
As much as I love freedom of speech, I do not think anything can be said. However, I do feel that this isn't crossing the line. This was done by a satirical magazine which had a 'fuck all' attitude. Freedom of speech is a great right, but if you start to effectively damage others by saying, or portraying certain things you are able of crossing a 'line'. It's just a major fucking grey area in my eyes.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Nip! on Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 10:25:19 AM
It's the entire magazine that had such humor, that was open minded, not one guy ;) I believe autoderision (does that word exist in english?) is the funniest humor, pitty the terrorists didn't think that way

Funniest humor or not, not only terrorists didn't think that way, but all muslims in the world thought the same, thank god 99,99% the muslims doesn`t think the way the terrorists do. I wish he never made that. And for me, that is crossing the line, muslims knows what I am talking about. If you get more knowledge of the Islam religion, you would of known what I am talking about and why I am pissed.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 10:46:13 AM
Funniest humor or not, not only terrorists didn't think that way, but all muslims in the world thought the same, thank god 99,99% the muslims doesn`t think the way the terrorists do. I wish he never made that. And for me, that is crossing the line, muslims knows what I am talking about. If you get more knowledge of the Islam religion, you would of known what I am talking about and why I am pissed.

Well yeah you don't have to find everything funny, you don't have to agree but you shouldn't act towards their freedom to express themselves imo. But I can understand that some people find this offsensive
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Nip! on Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 12:09:33 PM
but you shouldn't act towards their freedom to express themselves

You what?!? What in the fucking earth did Hebdo express himself with that kind of caricature?
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 12:34:01 PM
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Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Nip! on Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 17:07:37 PM
Lets put it this way

I am not Charlie.


I am stolen and taken Palestina
I am demolished Gaza
I am bombed Syria
I am hungry, massacred Africa
I am forgotten Ring
I am taken Afghanistan
I am fucked up Egypt
I am fragmented Lybia
I am tortured and forgotten Guantanamo
I am not islamofobic Charlie who, my religion, my Qur'an AND my Prophet humiliated. I am a muslim AND elhamdulillah.

People forget what happens to those people, people DONT make drama When something like this above happens.

Over AND out!

Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 17:26:58 PM
Lets put it this way

I am not Charlie.


I am stolen and taken Palestina
I am demolished Gaza
I am bombed Syria
I am hungry, massacred Africa
I am forgotten Ring
I am taken Afghanistan
I am fucked up Egypt
I am fragmented Lybia
I am tortured and forgotten Guantanamo
I am not islamofobic Charlie who, my religion, my Qur'an AND my Prophet humiliated. I am a muslim AND elhamdulillah.

People forget what happens to those people, people DONT make drama When something like this above happens.

Over AND out!



It was mentionned already in the previous posts. Pity you didn't read ... but like you said, you dgaf about other opinions ;)
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: NoBigDeal on Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 21:25:06 PM
It's the entire magazine that had such humor, that was open minded, not one guy ;) I believe autoderision (does that word exist in english?) is the funniest humor, pitty the terrorists didn't think that way
Well yeah you don't have to find everything funny, you don't have to agree but you shouldn't act towards their freedom to express themselves imo. But I can understand that some people find this offsensive
I can't agree with this ... not in this case.
What they (Hebdo and others) did was stupid and irresponsible - there was no point in doing this. Moreover, it has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech / Expression, it was nothing but provocation ... Stupid provocation, because is not like nobody know what is Jihad and can not predict their reaction to such humiliation ...
There is something more important like RESPECT and Freedom of Speech / Expression shouldn't cross its thin line. How you can expect from Muslims to respect Christians when Christians don't respect Muslims.
... Each stick has two ends ...
If you can't understand that, I can't help you - nobody can.
... or maybe ... Make a caricature of Queen Elizabeth II in 'compromising' position - the British will show you very quickly the boundaries of your Freedom of Speech / Expression.

Last thing:
Killing those people was wrong ... Burning their houses, cars, agency to the ground - yes ... But this, this was murder with cold blood.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Alex on Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 21:36:58 PM
I can't agree with this ... not in this case.
What they (Hebdo and others) did was stupid and irresponsible - there was no point in doing this. Moreover, it has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech / Expression, it was nothing but provocation ... Stupid provocation, because is not like nobody know what is Jihad and can not predict their reaction to such humiliation ...
There is something more important like RESPECT and Freedom of Speech / Expression shouldn't cross its thin line. How you can expect from Muslims to respect Christians when Christians don't respect Muslims.
... Each stick has two ends ...
If you can't understand that, I can't help you - nobody can.
... or maybe ... Make a caricature of Queen Elizabeth II in 'compromising' position - the British will show you very quickly the boundaries of your Freedom of Speech / Expression.
I disagree with your conclusion. It's not like the magazine only made fun of Islam. Sure the images could be seen as provocation, and they're definitely stupid, but that's what freedom of speech is about. The ability to say something or make fun of something without being punished for it. They're free to express their stupidity if they want to. Why can't something be provocative and an expression of free speech at the same time?
 Also I've never heard of Britain punishing anyone for their depiction of the queen, nor would I expect armed British gunmen to murder civilians in retaliation.. At least here in the US I could make any picture of Obama I wanted and I'd be completely safe from prosecution by the US government. Nobody, the government or the people, would care. At least not enough to murder me. I'm assuming England is just as free. Is that incorrect?
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 23:25:52 PM
I'm assuming England is just as free. Is that incorrect?

You're right it is, there is Islamic Human Rights Commission based in London too.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: CS-ACI- on Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 01:28:11 AM
Hello,

Let's look at this from a different way.

If Muslims find it bad for people to make the prophet look bad, why do they not deal with people who use the prophets name as their own and do bad things. I do not mean the terrorists, I mean any one who does bad things? Such as lie, cheat, steal and just generally do things against the word of God.

Steve
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Nip! on Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 03:29:01 AM
I disagree with your conclusion. It's not like the magazine only made fun of Islam. Sure the images could be seen as provocation, and they're definitely stupid, but that's what freedom of speech is about. The ability to say something or make fun of something without being punished for it. They're free to express their stupidity if they want to. Why can't something be provocative and an expression of free speech at the same time?
 Also I've never heard of Britain punishing anyone for their depiction of the queen, nor would I expect armed British gunmen to murder civilians in retaliation.. At least here in the US I could make any picture of Obama I wanted and I'd be completely safe from prosecution by the US government. Nobody, the government or the people, would care. At least not enough to murder me. I'm assuming England is just as free. Is that incorrect?

Let me clarify some things as we all here just say its prohibited - forbidden or whatsoever in Qur'an.

A quote :

Sahih Muslim vol.3 no.5268 (p.1160) says, "Ibn ?Umar reported Allah?s Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said: Those who paint pictures would be punished on the Day of Resurrection and it would be said to them: Breathe soul into what you have created.2519" <- This is about Mohammed a.s.v.m

There are a lot of more quotes about this, this is just an example, there are quotes where it states to punish them even more, and that's why Muslims are really sensitive in these kind of stuff.
I am not trying to defend the Islam, nor go againts Hebdo and say it was a good thing becuase he got "murked" to say so.
It just hurts when you know you should never ever see the face of Muhammed, or someone stupid who drawing his pic, I would personally cut off my best friends head if he tried to draw his pic infront of me. Okay not cut off, but slap him a few times. It hurts for muslims, and people should atleast know that.
And those French people should also get more knowledge about the Jihads, Qaida's and other terrorists who are muslim extremists who are portraying the Islam in a complete different way, and who're taking the gats out to kill people if you say something wrong about Islam.
People should get more knowledge before doing such stuff.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 06:14:10 AM
I can't agree with this ... not in this case.
What they (Hebdo and others) did was stupid and irresponsible - there was no point in doing this. Moreover, it has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech / Expression, it was nothing but provocation ... Stupid provocation, because is not like nobody know what is Jihad and can not predict their reaction to such humiliation ...
There is something more important like RESPECT and Freedom of Speech / Expression shouldn't cross its thin line. How you can expect from Muslims to respect Christians when Christians don't respect Muslims.
... Each stick has two ends ...
If you can't understand that, I can't help you - nobody can.
... or maybe ... Make a caricature of Queen Elizabeth II in 'compromising' position - the British will show you very quickly the boundaries of your Freedom of Speech / Expression.

You can laugh about something and still have respect for it, but that's what you don't seem to understand. I agree it's provocating, but you're saying they shouldn't post what they want out of fear for the terrorists?

Just to clarify these people were no Christians.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 06:18:08 AM
Also I've never heard of Britain punishing anyone for their depiction of the queen, nor would I expect armed British gunmen to murder civilians in retaliation.. At least here in the US I could make any picture of Obama I wanted and I'd be completely safe from prosecution by the US government. Nobody, the government or the people, would care. At least not enough to murder me. I'm assuming England is just as free. Is that incorrect?
I'm willing to bet there already are these kinds of "naughty" pictures of the Queen somewhere out there. And I'm willing to bet the Royal family doesn't like it. However, they won't murder people because of it.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: NoBigDeal on Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 06:54:47 AM
... At least here in the US I could make any picture of Obama I wanted and I'd be completely safe from prosecution by the US government. Nobody, the government or the people, would care. At least not enough to murder me. ...
Yeah, you Americans ... You can burn your flag without hesitation, but not We ... Not because We can't, but because We won't ... think about that.

As for Freedom of Speech / Expression: In reality it's just a constitutional illusion of this Freedom.

You can laugh about something and still have respect for it ...
No, you can't ...
Second: You don't need to 'clarify' anything - Christians were just an example.

Ps: I know my English is bad, but I don't remember saying 'they will kill him for this'.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Alex on Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 07:58:00 AM
Yeah, you Americans ... You can burn your flag without hesitation, but not We ... Not because We can't, but because We won't ... think about that.
That is just a nonsensical statement... You can burn your flag if you want to. Nobody is going to come knocking on your door and arrest you or gun you down. Therefore your argument is invalid.

Quote
As for Freedom of Speech / Expression: In reality it's just a constitutional illusion of this Freedom.
Please elaborate on what you mean. You have a habit of not explaining things.

And yes, yes you can have respect for something you make fun of.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: NoBigDeal on Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 15:45:21 PM
That is just a nonsensical statement... You can burn your flag if you want to. Nobody is going to come knocking on your door and arrest you or gun you down. Therefore your argument is invalid.
You're missing a point ...

Please elaborate on what you mean. You have a habit of not explaining things.
Read something about Politics and Social Behavior.

And yes, yes you can have respect for something you make fun of.
Not this kind of fun.
Anyways, if you think you 'have respect for something you make fun of', then:
1. What you feel is not 'respect'.
2. Your Faith is 'driven' by Fear.

BTW: I'm only one here who's trying to stay on topic ..?
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Alex on Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 15:51:23 PM
You're missing a point ...
Please enlighten me to what I'm missing. If you want an argument, you actually have to argue your point. You're giving me nothing to work with here. You've just been posting stuff with no explanation.

Read something about Politics and Social Behavior.
How is this even a proper response? That's such a cop-out. Why not explain what you're talking about? Or do you genuinely not know and are just repeating stuff other people say?

Not this kind of fun.
Why not? Yet another sentence without any explanation to back it up. Why even bother posting your crap if you're not going to defend it?
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 18:52:33 PM
glad to see these 3 fuckers dead, though they should of died a painful death like hanging by the balls
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: ATA on Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 21:05:23 PM
good thread^^

i hear everywhere (muslims muslims muslims) (they are to religios) lol.

1.  u really belive the muslims did that in paris... LOL
2. do somebody have a real friend as muslim?
3. if u see a muslim so u need to take a distance from him :) ? (right what media want it )^^
we can talk 100years and it would be end!

what i want to say, DONT belive media what u read or what u see on tv, its crap like  my shit!!!

i born in germany,yes they call my dad for work so i born here and living here.whats now,married with german wife and have 4 kids.

she not said (ohhh hes a muslim im never love him and talk to him so i never thought the same!!!

should we take  distance ? or live on LOVE? (im sure the 2nd)

yes have many german friends, we have many fun days and drink some beer or going to party with our wifes. (is that means  i not belive to GOD when i do this all or not a muslim??? what i am then?^^)
yes i am a man who married with a christ and has 4 kids...

how i said,DONT belive media, is the big BULLshit ever.why is noone going in t?rkey and doing suicide with a bomb on hes budy.(yes it was the time who that happends but it was pkk)not a real t?rk!!! (and what is pkk?^^^)--->right, (keychain) from many countrys^^ PSSSSTTT^^
for? (u all know or not^^) i wont say that here!

and what happend in syria or irak, afghanistan?^^ (whats with jews^^they work to syria? (kids,wifes, so many familys)? what is our world trying to do for syria`? (nothing) only 1 country is online and wichone,yep T?rkey.

issis are muslims? LOL - pkk muslims? LOL - the suicider who say  (did for the god, jihad. im gonna go paradise) u think thats thrue? LOL

iran are muslims 2,i wonder why noone go there and do jihad^^or kill some people for fun^^

the world is a game^^ so many countrys  (psssst) want to get (some) all other countrys like greece^^

the big boss from the (?^^)  country is sitting on hes chair want to govern over all countrys...

whats with africa? noone is to demonstrate forthat country,no much money in the world for help them?^^(but they have diomond to steal)^^ (watch the movie DIOMONDS so u will know what i want to say^^

I dont belive that saddam h?sseyin is dead! ^^
i dont belive that osama binladen is dead! ^^
i dont belive that muslims steel a aircraft and flyed to world trade center! ^^
but i belive the day will come who GOD destroy this  world !!! and i hope  previous. (enough of kills)

it dosnt matter wish religion u have, u will be ever my friend if u correct to me^^.life how u want but dont kill somebody for nothing.
or
say muslims are to religius, the people who kill eachother for nothing,its got nothing to do with muslim^^

peace and out
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: NoBigDeal on Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 23:26:39 PM
KiLLaMaN : Our conversation is over.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Alex on Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 23:33:01 PM
KiLLaMaN : Our conversation is over.
Well then, thanks for proving every single one of my points correct.
Don't post an argument if you're not willing to debate.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Thursday, January 15, 2015, 00:52:10 AM
whats with africa? noone is to demonstrate forthat country,no much money in the world for help them?
I like how you called Africa a country :)

I don't know whether you tried to enter some weird characters or what, but there's a lot of question marks in your post and all in all it's really hard to follow what you're trying to say.
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: phuNkiii.ops on Friday, January 16, 2015, 02:21:43 AM
Its jihadists and not muslims. ISIS have to do with muslims as much as KKK has to do with christianity. Plus theres more crazy christian fucktards in Murica that people dont talk about. I read that like 40% of americans belive that Lord Jeebus will show on eartch till 2050 lol. Theres just crazy fucks everywhere and hating on all muslims cause of this is just retarded.. The cop that was shot was muslim and the guy that let people hide in that shop was muslim..
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Lord-of-War on Friday, January 16, 2015, 04:48:39 AM
I wanna see the naughty pictures of the Queen

Lord-of-War :style:
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Lord-of-War on Friday, January 16, 2015, 04:57:42 AM
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clickpix.de%2Fpolitiker%2Fbush-und-queen.jpg&hash=2aff9af20fdd6ad2507eb933c9cd6d3e)
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Koden on Friday, January 16, 2015, 08:46:41 AM
I wish i haven't seen that O_o
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Ganja on Friday, January 16, 2015, 09:10:29 AM
I wish i haven't seen that O_o

Ye same here. What has been seen can't be unseen unfortunately :D
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: phuNkiii.ops on Friday, January 16, 2015, 13:07:21 PM
http://anonhq.com/charlie-hebdo-fired-anti-semitic-cartoonist-ridiculing-judaism-2009/ (http://anonhq.com/charlie-hebdo-fired-anti-semitic-cartoonist-ridiculing-judaism-2009/)
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: devilish on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 03:36:18 AM
The world is full of bad people  :style: :style: :style:
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: Lord-of-War on Sunday, January 18, 2015, 12:11:31 PM
this is also true what phunkiii brings up here (see his link above)

Lord-of-War  :style:
Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: phuNkiii.ops on Sunday, January 18, 2015, 14:19:11 PM
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FLzZyYVw.png&hash=5eba10bcf14d9db649b595bcae7d6b32)

storys about muslims on TV

Title: Re: Terrorism @ Charlie Hebdo
Post by: NoBigDeal on Sunday, January 18, 2015, 19:59:10 PM
Lord-of-War : I hope, you realize until now that your previous post prove nothing, but you're stupid enough to post this disgusting picture here ... Here where the topics are: human life and religion. Is this your definition of Freedom of Speech / Expression ..? If so, you have no idea what 'Respect' mean.

... Ignorance is a form of death ...