I guess you've all heard about it, or going to hear about it:See here Ganja Hans Teeuwen tells you were the borderline is in freedom speech : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-_tM9oNa68 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-_tM9oNa68)
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883)
3 islamist gunmen attacked a french magazine as payback of a caricature of mohamed the magazine had made in 2011. What happened to the freedom of speech ? What happened to this world, our world ?
Tragic news. Unfortunately there is no end in sight for such attacks as these. How do you punish those that are willing to die for their ideals? What do you do? Throw them in jail to let them preach their shit to other people? Give them their wish and kill them? We have no deterrent.
Hello,
The problem is not education, it is religion and the fanatics on any side.
Education only works when people want to learn too be better than they already are, most fanatics consider themselves the top of the heap so to speak and as such can not learn any thing else.
Steve
I guess you've all heard about it, or going to hear about it:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883)
3 islamist gunmen attacked a french magazine as payback of a caricature of mohamed the magazine had made in 2011. What happened to the freedom of speech ? What happened to this world, our world ?
The problem are the countries that let them live there. Fascism/Nacism is still strong in Europe and im sure by doing shit like this will only make it worse for all the muslims and not the dumb radicals.... it's rather Radical / Extreme Nationalism than some (funny...) fractions from the beginning of last century.
Sure is easy to blame religion from your atheist high horses. Some nutjobs are murderers, no reason to generalize an entire religion. Over a thousand people murdered every day and only a few get hours of news coverage and debate. Islamaphobia is bad.Most murders aren't a miltary style hit on a specific group of people they are not related to. Most murders are crimes of passion committed by someone they know. This is an unusual circumstance, thus the media coverage. Not often do entire buildings get attack by AK47 wielding terrorists.
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Turning the tables, when has religion done anything worthwhile? Aside from being a mental/emotional crutch for people...They make good money for themselves.
But I think everyone needs a crutch at one time or another and if they can have that fulfilled by faith rather than alcoholism or substance abuse, two thumbs up. Religious intolerance is really stupid though, and I guess it's only carried out by people who are faithful and very confident in their own beliefs
All that said, I still feel religion is one of those things that we need to move past as a society, as human kind.
I don't want to bash anyone for believing what they believe, I could easily be wrong in the grand scheme of things. It comes down to freedom, as much as I hate saying that. Anyone should be free to do as they want as long as it doesn't affect anyone else..
@Ronny *salutes*
@AAC, I laugh at you. Muslims are taking over Europe and the world?
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Much of the Middle East is ravaged by violence and explosions. If I lived there, I'd probably just move to Europe cuz there's not much they can do to fight back or reclaim their land or culture when robots patrol the skies and the local elite don't give a shit about them. Your fear reminds me of my grandmother when I talk to her about the #BlackLivesMatter protests.
And lastly,
@Ganja, Voltaire also said that Jews are goat fuckers
mostly what I hear is always a Muslim.
Like I said, media is fucked.
Hardcore Christians don't support abortions. That's pretty terrorizing to a soon-to-be mother with an unwanted child. Gay bashing is pretty terrorizing to homosexual individuals. Just because of religious beliefs, it's silly.
It all depends on how you look at it.
Here is a real numbers http://www.muslimpopulation.com/Europe/ (http://www.muslimpopulation.com/Europe/) and idk I think he got the old numbers from somewhere.Those numbers are not too different from what he posted. Some are higher, some are lower. But not conisderably.
but most people know who pretend to hate gays the most.who lol
I hate gay or homosexual people not because of my religion, I just do because it's not right. The question is simple, why is there a women for? Men and Women must be together not men with men, you get my point? Homosexual is some kind of weird people community who think it is right, but it is not. They do not deserve place on earth and they should be burned. I do believe in my religion but doing something terrorising is not right and I would never do anything to hurt another human being who is innocent. By the way I do not support abortion because of my religion, that's right and I don't think it's right for women to do abortion, it can affect her future pregnancy and there could be serious causes doing this abortion stuff, like no children in the future and so on, if you want a child you plan it out.
I hate gay or homosexual people not because of my religion, I just do because it's not right. The question is simple, why is there a women for? Men and Women must be together not men with men, you get my point? Homosexual is some kind of weird people community who think it is right, but it is not. They do not deserve place on earth and they should be burned. I do believe in my religion but doing something terrorising is not right and I would never do anything to hurt another human being who is innocent. By the way I do not support abortion because of my religion, that's right and I don't think it's right for women to do abortion, it can affect her future pregnancy and there could be serious causes doing this abortion stuff, like no children in the future and so on, if you want a child you plan it out.You just opened a huge shithole for yourself.
Man you're hardcore ... I could defend abortion and gay's for ever but this ain't the topic. Spanky was just saying, not only Muslims do bad things, but the media decided what to focus on and what not.I might be wrong, but don't you live in Brussels? That would explain your idea of the amount of muslims being higher in Belgium than that it actually is. I often go to Bruges, as my girlfriend lives there and frequently visit other Belgian cities a long the way. Brussels and Antwerp really have a high concentration of immigrants, compared to cities as Ghent and Bruges. Also try to bear in mind that spread throughout the country, and especially the tinier towns and cities there will be less immigrants. People of one ethnic group tend to live in a same area to preserve a part of their own culture in the city/country they moved to. Most notably the various Chinatowns all over the world.
And yes Archec, apparently the numbers are right, surprising indeed
I'll be realistic here, I don't think homosexuality, transgender or any of that stuff is 'right'. Not by nature's standards. Something caused that. I don't know if there's more gays/trans because they're speaking up more or if something in the environment is causing it. That's something that should be looked into.Homosexuality and such are more globally accepted than let's say, 20 years ago. That's making it easier for the 'closet-case' people to come out as a homosexual I think. The digital age, social media, most prominently Tumblr I believe are showing a lot of young people that it's not wrong to be gay. Also the decline of religious people everywhere is giving it a push, as a lot of the hatred towards gay people, and other sexually orientated people comes from various religious rather than people their own right thinking mind.
The issue is, you're bashing a person for something they have no control over. Should you be burned because of your hair color? Should you be burned because you have a toe that's slightly crooked? That's what's wrong.
Religion tends to bring out extreme ideals because people take it as fact rather than a belief system.
Maybe I said too harsh about burning them, it was just a saying, didn't really meant it.Here's a list which might make you want to kill yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_first_LGBT_holders_of_political_offices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_first_LGBT_holders_of_political_offices)
You know what gay people damage? Our generation, yes, you may think about your kids, think about you having a boy and becoming homosexual, would you like that? Would you like your boy to take example from some kind creepy dude? I worry more about generation, about my kids, what I will say to them, I would never want my kids to be like these shit holes. Now more gay people getting involved in the festivals, concerts and so on, soon we will see gay people in politics who control our countries, woohoo. That's what i mean. I am not a terrorist, but I would be at some point pissed if someone was saying bad about my religion and in what I believe. I take my words back since I do like British army and who knows where I go in the future, maybe I go to war, I might be killing innocent people, but that's how life goes, media does the most part.
I believe the Greeks used to say (way back when, you know) "Women for the business, men for the pleasure" or something like that.You are correct. I think it was most prominently accepted during the Roman empire, if I recall correctly Emperor Nero even married a man.
While I don't know if that's strictly true, I do believe there was a time in history when it was OK to have a younger man as a "companion" for another man.
So in that sense, there's been better times for other sexual orientations.
Maybe I said too harsh about burning them, it was just a saying, didn't really meant it.It looks to me as if you're saying gay people are bad people because of their sexual orientation. That's just sad for you.
You know what gay people damage? Our generation, yes, you may think about your kids, think about you having a boy and becoming homosexual, would you like that? Would you like your boy to take example from some kind creepy dude? I worry more about generation, about my kids, what I will say to them, I would never want my kids to be like these shit holes. Now more gay people getting involved in the festivals, concerts and so on, soon we will see gay people in politics who control our countries, woohoo. That's what i mean. I am not a terrorist, but I would be at some point pissed if someone was saying bad about my religion and in what I believe. I take my words back since I do like British army and who knows where I go in the future, maybe I go to war, I might be killing innocent people, but that's how life goes, media does the most part.
I believe the Greeks used to say (way back when, you know) "Women for the business, men for the pleasure" or something like that.
While I don't know if that's strictly true, I do believe there was a time in history when it was OK to have a younger man as a "companion" for another man.
So in that sense, there's been better times for other sexual orientations.
what people can choose is what religion they believe in.That's not strictly true in all cases. People are often born into very religious families, raised within that religion. They know nothing else. How can they choose when that religion is the only thing in the world that they know?
You know what gay people damage? Our generation, yes, you may think about your kids, think about you having a boy and becoming homosexual, would you like that? Would you like your boy to take example from some kind creepy dude?
Well I wouldn't just be a prick to my kid if he chose that way as example, I would be damn pissed and annoyed but would try to stay as clam as possible ad not get into his life. But if he would ask me if its bad or good I would tell him damn right it's bad and those homo dudes can fuck off, they are not normal people. Their sex orientation must be some kindly broken or out of place. I would tell him it's not normal and how bad it is, but at the end of the day it's his choice.You would tell him how bad it is? Well educate me. Tell me just how bad it is?
That's not strictly true in all cases. People are often born into very religious families, raised within that religion. They know nothing else. How can they choose when that religion is the only thing in the world that they know?You're right, but I was mostly talking about being able to choose your religion in our current western society, which is a choice. With the exception of a few cults scattered around the globe. Nowadays, in most of the developed western countries you get so much information about various religions, cultures and lifestyles that it's basically a choice. I would've fully agreed with you if we were talking about 60 years ago.
I would damn tell him that he would be a public objective where everyone would laugh at him and where would he go in job career and so on, hey guys now you accusing me of what I belief. It sucks how people overreact to other opinions. That's how religion wars starts.It's not wrong to be homosexual, it's wrong to laugh at or bully someone for being homosexual. And yes, I take offense to what you say about homosexuals, as various friends and acquaintances of mine are homosexual. I won't think of you less of a person, just small minded as fuck. I wouldn't mind you thinking it not being okay, but don't limit others in their lifestyles because you think it's wrong.
You're right, but I was mostly talking about being able to choose your religion in our current western society, which is a choice. With the exception of a few cults scattered around the globe. Nowadays, in most of the developed western countries you get so much information about various religions, cultures and lifestyles that it's basically a choice. I would've fully agreed with you if we were talking about 60 years ago.I agree with you, in most of wester civilation this is true. However, if you look at the world as a whole, the western civilation is really not the majority of the population.
It's not wrong to be homosexual, it's wrong to laugh at or bully someone for being homosexual. And yes, I take offense to what you say about homosexuals, as various friends and acquaintances of mine are homosexual. I won't think of you less of a person, just small minded as fuck. I wouldn't mind you thinking it not being okay, but don't limit others in their lifestyles because you think it's wrong.
...Really ..? Then I have bad news for you: over the last century, they are playing the lead role in terrorism ... especially don't tell me, that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism all over the world.
DON'T HATE MUSLIMS BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY DO BAD THINGS.
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You came from catholic to atheist? wow have no more comment.I've been raised as a catholic myself, but have always been told to be open minded and choose what I believed in, rather than believing what my parents did. I chose to explore several religions and cultures and found out that it all seems ridiculous to me. Especially as most of the religions are all based on the same things.
You came from catholic to atheist? wow have no more comment.He gave you the comments on why he did it.
The bottom line is that it's wrong to attack someone in ANY manner for what they believe or who they are.Nice post :)
It's ok for me to believe that any religion is a fucked, idiotic, caveman-esque view on the world. But if I attack someone for believing that way, that is wrong. Whether I bully them, hit them or kill them.
Why is it wrong? Well, morally, it's good to be nice to people. Also, a persons beliefs, opinions or physical attributes have little reflection on their character. That's the only thing you can attack or applaud someone for, their character, how they carry themselves in a day to day life. You call someone out for being an asshole or you thank someone for being kind.
I've been raised as a catholic myself, but have always been told to be open minded and choose what I believed in, rather than believing what my parents did. I chose to explore several religions and cultures and found out that it all seems ridiculous to me. Especially as most of the religions are all based on the same things.
Really ..? Then I have bad news for you: over the last century, they are playing the lead role in terrorism ... especially don't tell me, that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism all over the world.
Sadly I grew in the family where I only knew Catholic, my whole family Catholic and I even had to go to classes in the church and school for that to be able to marry in the catholic church, that's how life took me to believe in what I believe now. I don't think you can hate me for that and I am not going to change my religion at this time where I don't feel need of it.I don't believe anyone said they're hating you for that. Or maybe I missed it, this thread is growing so fast...
Just because the news obsesses over brown-on-white violence doesn't mean it's the most common. What about Boko Haram killing thousands this week? Nobody cares? More concern over a handful of racist French cartoonists? Only American and European lives matter?
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Just because the news obsesses over brown-on-white violence doesn't mean it's the most common. What about Boko Haram killing thousands this week? Nobody cares? More concern over a handful of racist French cartoonists? Only American and European lives matter?You're talking about people being on a high horse earlier yet you come in here believing you're better than us just because we're talking about an act of terrorism that happened in a country that doesn't normally get terror attacks?
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Okay keep parroting the same statements we've all heard time and time again, enjoy that discussion. Only flaming I did was toward the Army dude and I wasn't alone in that. Just because you think Africa and Middle East are so doomed we shouldn't even discuss terrorism there doesn't mean I agree. Or I guess I could take that discussion out of the Charlie Hebdo thread. Would you prefer if I made a thread for each and every terrorist action so as to keep our mourning compartmentalized?I actually didn't think you meant anything bad by saying it looked like DRAAT forums. But I guess Killaman disagreed. And I don't believe I ever visited DRAAT forums, so what do I know, huh? :D
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For what it's worth, I thought the DRAAT forums had pretty good discussion. Lots of differing viewpoints and hot topics = lots of angry posts, but I thought that was okay. Herrmoo and scandii made my day countless times with their no-nonsense posts.
used the word "Islamist" when they meant to say "jihadist"Here you've splitted Muslims in two, but here ...
DON'T HATE MUSLIMS BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY DO BAD THINGS.... and here (even worse, you have splitted the entire world on two) ...
terrorism is occurring all over the globe and not only by Muslims against non-believers.... you defending them as one. I can understand that - most probably you belongs to moderate Muslims - but for us (non-believers) because of the same religion, you are the one ... and is up to Muslims to deal with their internal problem.
every one is talking about the islamist guys that killed the 12..what about the terroist and the reason for this fucking terror? thoose christians who wrote shit about islam and mohammad?As far as I know, it had nothing to do with them being christians(I even doubt that's a case, for all of them at least), just them portraying a certain spiritual figure in Islam to which they took offense to. It being forbidden in Islam to portray Mohammed. Them portraying him in a satirical manner is what fully triggered it.
i'm christian , just trying to show that in both sides there are terror..there are shit muslims , therre are shit christians :)
They've paid the price for their pseudo Freedom of speech.Please tell me this is a fucking joke. Please...
The cops that faced the terrorists were UNARMED.
Who to blame, the terrorists or France? Sure is France imo, they let those guys live there, they let cops choose not to work with guns, wich for me is ridiculous.
O Mito da Minoria Radical Muçulmana (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3fWVO0VA1U#ws)
every one is talking about the islamist guys that killed the 12..what about the terroist and the reason for this fucking terror? thoose christians who wrote shit about islam and mohammad?
i'm christian , just trying to show that in both sides there are terror..there are shit muslims , therre are shit christians :)
Only this kind of terrorism can justify killing 10 innocent people to kill 1 target
I'll briefly touch on this because it isn't true. Look at drone strikes in Yemen or Pakistan, the victims are almost always innocent civilians. Or Israel bombing Gaza. In these cases, innocent Muslims are killed.
What I wanted to do most in this thread was point out hypocrisy. Today in Paris lots of people marched for freedom and to express solidarity with victims of terrorism. Included were many world leaders who are at least partly responsible for imprisonment, torture, or murder of journalists. I'm pretty sure that Netanyahu from Israel (many journalists dead in Gaza in 2014) and Abbas from Hamas (jailed journalists) both attended. I know Ali Bongo from Gabon was there (former French colony, today home to ritual killings, organ harvesting, and the persecution of journalists who report on it). Eric Holder. Friqqin' ASSAD in Syria made a statement. Various officials from the Middle East and North Africa who crack down on opposition journalists. These people are praising freedom in the march, yet they do not allow freedoms to their own citizens. I personally consider many of these high-profile attendees "passive" terrorists because they have power to prevent violence and don't - but don't think I consider them the same as "active" terrorists. And finally, the single most disappointing fact in all of this for me: during Israel's campaign in Gaza last summer, Paris banned pro-Palestinian protests. Do you see why I find this solidarity bittersweet? It's because it's so often reserved for the privileged.
His fault. He shouldnt at any cost make a caricature of Mohammed al. Sallam. Thats very very very sensitive to Muslims, especially those terrorists.That last line speaks volumes.
Thats my two cents, idgaf About other opinions, so don't even Quote me.
Hello,That last line speaks volumes.He's trolling, just ignore him.
Do you even understand the principals of Free Speech and Freedom of Expression?
Steve
Hello,That last line speaks volumes.
Do you even understand the principals of Free Speech and Freedom of Expression?
Steve
His fault. He shouldnt at any cost make a caricature of Mohammed al. Sallam.
he shouldn't do it, and no I'm not trolling. Everyone has freedom of speech, especially Media, but that crossed the line 19080928301983x.
Who is "he" ? It's not as if they targeted only 1 guy ...
And in my opinion you can't say "there is freedom of speech but they crossed the line". Either there is, or there isn't freedom of speech
Who started it, who made the intention, who gave that shit creativity? That Hebdo guy, thats who I aimed.
Who is "he" ? It's not as if they targeted only 1 guy ...As much as I love freedom of speech, I do not think anything can be said. However, I do feel that this isn't crossing the line. This was done by a satirical magazine which had a 'fuck all' attitude. Freedom of speech is a great right, but if you start to effectively damage others by saying, or portraying certain things you are able of crossing a 'line'. It's just a major fucking grey area in my eyes.
And in my opinion you can't say "there is freedom of speech but they crossed the line". Either there is, or there isn't freedom of speech
It's the entire magazine that had such humor, that was open minded, not one guy ;) I believe autoderision (does that word exist in english?) is the funniest humor, pitty the terrorists didn't think that way
Funniest humor or not, not only terrorists didn't think that way, but all muslims in the world thought the same, thank god 99,99% the muslims doesn`t think the way the terrorists do. I wish he never made that. And for me, that is crossing the line, muslims knows what I am talking about. If you get more knowledge of the Islam religion, you would of known what I am talking about and why I am pissed.
but you shouldn't act towards their freedom to express themselves
Lets put it this way
I am not Charlie.
I am stolen and taken Palestina
I am demolished Gaza
I am bombed Syria
I am hungry, massacred Africa
I am forgotten Ring
I am taken Afghanistan
I am fucked up Egypt
I am fragmented Lybia
I am tortured and forgotten Guantanamo
I am not islamofobic Charlie who, my religion, my Qur'an AND my Prophet humiliated. I am a muslim AND elhamdulillah.
People forget what happens to those people, people DONT make drama When something like this above happens.
Over AND out!
It's the entire magazine that had such humor, that was open minded, not one guy ;) I believe autoderision (does that word exist in english?) is the funniest humor, pitty the terrorists didn't think that way
Well yeah you don't have to find everything funny, you don't have to agree but you shouldn't act towards their freedom to express themselves imo. But I can understand that some people find this offsensiveI can't agree with this ... not in this case.
I can't agree with this ... not in this case.I disagree with your conclusion. It's not like the magazine only made fun of Islam. Sure the images could be seen as provocation, and they're definitely stupid, but that's what freedom of speech is about. The ability to say something or make fun of something without being punished for it. They're free to express their stupidity if they want to. Why can't something be provocative and an expression of free speech at the same time?
What they (Hebdo and others) did was stupid and irresponsible - there was no point in doing this. Moreover, it has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech / Expression, it was nothing but provocation ... Stupid provocation, because is not like nobody know what is Jihad and can not predict their reaction to such humiliation ...
There is something more important like RESPECT and Freedom of Speech / Expression shouldn't cross its thin line. How you can expect from Muslims to respect Christians when Christians don't respect Muslims.
... Each stick has two ends ...
If you can't understand that, I can't help you - nobody can.
... or maybe ... Make a caricature of Queen Elizabeth II in 'compromising' position - the British will show you very quickly the boundaries of your Freedom of Speech / Expression.
I'm assuming England is just as free. Is that incorrect?
I disagree with your conclusion. It's not like the magazine only made fun of Islam. Sure the images could be seen as provocation, and they're definitely stupid, but that's what freedom of speech is about. The ability to say something or make fun of something without being punished for it. They're free to express their stupidity if they want to. Why can't something be provocative and an expression of free speech at the same time?
Also I've never heard of Britain punishing anyone for their depiction of the queen, nor would I expect armed British gunmen to murder civilians in retaliation.. At least here in the US I could make any picture of Obama I wanted and I'd be completely safe from prosecution by the US government. Nobody, the government or the people, would care. At least not enough to murder me. I'm assuming England is just as free. Is that incorrect?
I can't agree with this ... not in this case.
What they (Hebdo and others) did was stupid and irresponsible - there was no point in doing this. Moreover, it has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech / Expression, it was nothing but provocation ... Stupid provocation, because is not like nobody know what is Jihad and can not predict their reaction to such humiliation ...
There is something more important like RESPECT and Freedom of Speech / Expression shouldn't cross its thin line. How you can expect from Muslims to respect Christians when Christians don't respect Muslims.
... Each stick has two ends ...
If you can't understand that, I can't help you - nobody can.
... or maybe ... Make a caricature of Queen Elizabeth II in 'compromising' position - the British will show you very quickly the boundaries of your Freedom of Speech / Expression.
Also I've never heard of Britain punishing anyone for their depiction of the queen, nor would I expect armed British gunmen to murder civilians in retaliation.. At least here in the US I could make any picture of Obama I wanted and I'd be completely safe from prosecution by the US government. Nobody, the government or the people, would care. At least not enough to murder me. I'm assuming England is just as free. Is that incorrect?I'm willing to bet there already are these kinds of "naughty" pictures of the Queen somewhere out there. And I'm willing to bet the Royal family doesn't like it. However, they won't murder people because of it.
... At least here in the US I could make any picture of Obama I wanted and I'd be completely safe from prosecution by the US government. Nobody, the government or the people, would care. At least not enough to murder me. ...Yeah, you Americans ... You can burn your flag without hesitation, but not We ... Not because We can't, but because We won't ... think about that.
You can laugh about something and still have respect for it ...No, you can't ...
Yeah, you Americans ... You can burn your flag without hesitation, but not We ... Not because We can't, but because We won't ... think about that.That is just a nonsensical statement... You can burn your flag if you want to. Nobody is going to come knocking on your door and arrest you or gun you down. Therefore your argument is invalid.
As for Freedom of Speech / Expression: In reality it's just a constitutional illusion of this Freedom.Please elaborate on what you mean. You have a habit of not explaining things.
That is just a nonsensical statement... You can burn your flag if you want to. Nobody is going to come knocking on your door and arrest you or gun you down. Therefore your argument is invalid.You're missing a point ...
Please elaborate on what you mean. You have a habit of not explaining things.Read something about Politics and Social Behavior.
And yes, yes you can have respect for something you make fun of.Not this kind of fun.
You're missing a point ...Please enlighten me to what I'm missing. If you want an argument, you actually have to argue your point. You're giving me nothing to work with here. You've just been posting stuff with no explanation.
Read something about Politics and Social Behavior.How is this even a proper response? That's such a cop-out. Why not explain what you're talking about? Or do you genuinely not know and are just repeating stuff other people say?
Not this kind of fun.Why not? Yet another sentence without any explanation to back it up. Why even bother posting your crap if you're not going to defend it?
KiLLaMaN : Our conversation is over.Well then, thanks for proving every single one of my points correct.
whats with africa? noone is to demonstrate forthat country,no much money in the world for help them?I like how you called Africa a country :)
I wish i haven't seen that O_o