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"On Thursday, Mozilla, the company behind Mozilla Firefox, forced CEO Brendan Eich to resign over his support for Proposition 8 in California, which stated that marriage was between one man and one woman.
We, the undersigned, pledge to uninstall or cease usage of Mozilla Firefox in protest over Mozilla?s decision to fire Eich for his position on traditional marriage, which is held by tens of millions of religious and conservative Americans. Mozilla?s intolerance and discrimination against those with different political and religious viewpoints stands in stark contrast to its supposed mission to enshrine ?equality and freedom of speech,? and must not be tolerated."
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http://venturebeat.com/2014/04/07/nozilla-surprisingly-no-one-is-happy-after-mozilla-ceos-resignation/ (http://venturebeat.com/2014/04/07/nozilla-surprisingly-no-one-is-happy-after-mozilla-ceos-resignation/)http://www.truthrevolt.org//news/mozilla-logs-its-single-worst-day-feedback-ever (http://www.truthrevolt.org//news/mozilla-logs-its-single-worst-day-feedback-ever)
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If i get this straight, he's against homo marriage and got fired for it? I support him being fired all day, every day. Being a modern company, which mozilla is since they're in the buissness called ze internet, they need to uphold the human rights of letting everyone pick for themselves who they love.
Embarrasing if i read the article wrong and got it all backwards, but atleast im pro homo marriage. Only because I like Ganja and he should be able to do as he please.
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Hello,
The problem is he was forced out because he did not have the same view on something as someone else.
The subject does not really matter.
What they said to him is that his "Free Speech" is not free.
Steve
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Hello,
The problem is he was forced out because he did not have the same view on something as someone else.
The subject does not really matter.
What they said to him is that his "Free Speech" is not free.
Steve
So if he was openly racist or neo-nazi, he should still be able to keep his job as a face out for the company? I think not, the subject does matter. especially when it concerns human rights.
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Hello,
The problem is he was forced out because he did not have the same view on something as someone else.
The subject does not really matter.
What they said to him is that his "Free Speech" is not free.
Steve
There is no such thing as freedom of speech in a private setting such as a corporation or household. It's a common misconception that freedom of speech covers everything. Freedom of speech protects you from punishment by the government and legal system, not from punishment (withing the law of course) by private jobs or communities.
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Hello,
This did not effect his job performance, and was not done in the companies name. Some back stabbing **** has used this against him.
I am not a sheep, I will say what I want.
I am not a shepherd, I let other say what they want.
If I disagree with them or they disagree with me then we talk about it. We might change our minds, we might not.
More tolerance is needed in this world, not less.
And before anyone thinks or says I am a Liberal, I am not. I do not like gay marriage, but not for the reasons you may think.
It comes down too the law. In my life time, something that was a criminal act has now become state sanctioned. Now while this might be good for some, the problem I have is where does it stop?
Currently it is illegal to have sex with a child, is this going to change?
Currently it is illegal to have more than one wife/husband, is that going to change?
Currently it is illegal to kill someone with a car, is that going to change?
You may think that none of the above will ever change, think carefully.
Steve
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Hello,
This did not effect his job performance, and was not done in the companies name. Some back stabbing **** has used this against him.
I am not a sheep, I will say what I want.
I am not a shepherd, I let other say what they want.
If I disagree with them or they disagree with me then we talk about it. We might change our minds, we might not.
More tolerance is needed in this world, not less.
And before anyone thinks or says I am a Liberal, I am not. I do not like gay marriage, but not for the reasons you may think.
It comes down too the law. In my life time, something that was a criminal act has now become state sanctioned. Now while this might be good for some, the problem I have is where does it stop?
Currently it is illegal to have sex with a child, is this going to change?
Currently it is illegal to have more than one wife/husband, is that going to change?
Currently it is illegal to kill someone with a car, is that going to change?
You may think that none of the above will ever change, think carefully.
Steve
Highlited the part where you put your own dick in your mouth. The one who got fired, got so because of his own intolerance and narrow minded thought on how other people should live their lives, according to the good book and it's beliefs.
And how can you even think to compare gay marriage to killing someone with a car, or sexually assaulting a child? Are you right in the head m8? And to where it stops, it stops where you start hurting other people.
And im guessing you dislike gay marriages because in your book it's second to sexually assaulting a child, or hitting someone with your car. God bless.
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Hello,
Highlited the part where you put your own dick in your mouth. The one who got fired, got so because of his own intolerance and narrow minded thought on how other people should live their lives, according to the good book and it's beliefs.
And how can you even think to compare gay marriage to killing someone with a car, or sexually assaulting a child? Are you right in the head m8? And to where it stops, it stops where you start hurting other people.
And im guessing you dislike gay marriages because in your book it's second to sexually assaulting a child, or hitting someone with your car. God bless.
Before I answer your post, please let me know where you live, Country and or State, here or via PM. I want to take a look at something first.
Steve
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Hello,Before I answer your post, please let me know where you live, Country and or State, here or via PM. I want to take a look at something first.
Steve
This should answer it (provided his country is correct there and looking at his IP it probably is):
http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/158735/mortiferus.ares/ (http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/158735/mortiferus.ares/)
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Hello,Before I answer your post, please let me know where you live, Country and or State, here or via PM. I want to take a look at something first.
Steve
Sweden, Northern part, Umea (which was voted best gay city in .se 2 years ago). Good luck mate ;)
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Hello,
Steve
Sweden, Northern part, Umea (which was voted best gay city in .se 2 years ago). Good luck mate ;)
Thank you, you have given all the information I needed. I did not need luck, I just needed you to put your foot in it. This is not personal at you, it was just you stepped into the lime light.
Firstly though, where I am coming from so you don't get confused.
I am agnostic. What this means ( I am making this clear as I understand it ) is I do not except something it needs to be proved. This means you or anyone else can not prove that god/gods/goddess/goddesses exist and you also can not prove they do not exist. So I am not religious. This also means that you or anyone else can not prove that the big bang happened and vice versa that it did not.
I also have good friends that are gay and bi, I even have an ex that is bi. So I am not in any way a gay basher.
Anyway, back to the reason I needed your Country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe) If this is correct, that would make anyone in Sweden having sexual intercourse with someone at 15 years old a child molester in the UK. So, should Sweden raise its age of consent to 16 or the UK lower its age to 15?
If you think sex at 14 is wrong, don't go to half of these European Countries, and sometimes 13.
Perhaps if I want to have sex with a child I should come to Sweden as it is legal there.
Can you understand my point about laws changing, making something that was illegal . . . . legal. As part of Europe, should all laws be made equal and the same?
Which way would you vote the age of consent?
Up to the highest standard or down to the lowest standard?
What would you do with all the pedophiles locked up for abusing children that when the age goes down have no longer committed a crime?
I hope you understand now.
Steve
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Hello,Thank you, you have given all the information I needed. I did not need luck, I just needed you to put your foot in it. This is not personal at you, it was just you stepped into the lime light.
Firstly though, where I am coming from so you don't get confused.
I am agnostic. What this means ( I am making this clear as I understand it ) is I do not except something it needs to be proved. This means you or anyone else can not prove that god/gods/goddess/goddesses exist and you also can not prove they do not exist. So I am not religious. This also means that you or anyone else can not prove that the big bang happened and vice versa that it did not.
I also have good friends that are gay and bi, I even have an ex that is bi. So I am not in any way a gay basher.
Anyway, back to the reason I needed your Country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe) If this is correct, that would make anyone in Sweden having sexual intercourse with someone at 15 years old a child molester in the UK. So, should Sweden raise its age of consent to 16 or the UK lower its age to 15?
If you think sex at 14 is wrong, don't go to half of these European Countries, and sometimes 13.
Perhaps if I want to have sex with a child I should come to Sweden as it is legal there.
Can you understand my point about laws changing, making something that was illegal . . . . legal. As part of Europe, should all laws be made equal and the same?
Which way would you vote the age of consent?
Up to the highest standard or down to the lowest standard?
What would you do with all the pedophiles locked up for abusing children that when the age goes down have no longer committed a crime?
I hope you understand now.
Steve
Oh I understand the whole age consent thingie, and I get where you're coming from, I should have been more clear, and said infants and not children, what you are reffering to are teenagers, atleast at the age of 15 and 16, that age is set as a standard to which when teenagers are fit to decide for themselves what they want to do with their body, and with whom - regardless of gender.
There is no "what's next after this" about this story, there isn't a ladder on which this can escalate on. Hating on homosexuality, is behind in time, stupid and pretty much equal to rasism. And people in the public eye with these kinds of opinions should always be replaced or fired.
Sorry for all the edits, missed that you actually asked questions. Not all laws should be the same, thats why we have diffrent countrys, states and whatnot.
Putting Sweden up against the UK in this matter is a tough one, you'd have to look on how teenagers live out their life, their education, their possibilities to educate themselves, their family situations in general - all which has been done already and was probably why the age is set diffrent in the first place.
Now there's a huge diffrence between abusing an infant, and say someone who's 6 months under the concent age, and it shows in the sentences in cases where this has happend. Was there concent between the parties, or rape, etc. We could go on forever and ever on this, which is all good but we'd still disagree on the homosexuality matter.
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Hello,
Oh I understand the whole age consent thingie, and I get where you're coming from, I should have been more clear, and said infants and not children, what you are reffering to are teenagers, atleast at the age of 15 and 16, that age is set as a standard to which when teenagers are fit to decide for themselves what they want to do with their body, and with whom - regardless of gender.
There is no "what's next after this" about this story, there isn't a ladder on which this can escalate on.
So what age should the age of consent be?
The "ladder" you talk of is real, this is my point. What you find "wrong" today might not be considered wrong tomorrow or 40 years later.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent) in this global society what is going to happen?
This has nothing to do with orientation, it is to do with what law makers decide. I personally think the age should be 17.
Steve
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Hello,So what age should the age of consent be?
The "ladder" you talk of is real, this is my point. What you find "wrong" today might not be considered wrong tomorrow or 40 years later.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent) in this global society what is going to happen?
This has nothing to do with orientation, it is to do with what law makers decide. I personally think the age should be 17.
Steve
The age concents are fine I think, I'd rather be 15 and able to make my own decision and not have to wait 2 years although I feel ready because I'm scared of what some law says. Im viewing this from a non criminal standpoint now ofcourse.
If i'd look at it from a crime standpoint i'd have to say that no matter what age you are, if the concent between the two humans isn't there, it's called rape or sexual abuse.
And i'm pretty sure the things you mentioned before will always be seen as a crime in the eyes of pretty much everyone, unless you're Charles Manson.
Raising age for concent is good if you belive that someone under 17 isn't ready to make decisions about their own body and so forth, but it's still their own body.
I reckon you are American, and you let your teenagers get their driverslicence at 16, so they should be able to drive, and potentially kill other people, and themselves, but not have sexual relations with other people, killing no one? (you see where im getting at with this argument) Unless they get infected with AIDS, in which case they're fucked anyway.
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Hello,
At 49 years old, I think that as you get older you understand why there is an age of consent. You might think or know at 15 what you want, but it changes as you get older. You also have to think about this, when do your parents stop taking responsibility for your actions.
"The age of concent" has nothing to do with you agreeing to have sex or not. It is the age that the society you live in says it is legal to have sex. Rape ( a crime I consider worse than murder ) or pedophilia ( which I think is worse than rape ) should be punished very hard.
I am not an American, I am English. We let people drive at 17, when we think they are sensible enough, guess why I think 17 is a good age for sex now.
Steve
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Hello,
This did not effect his job performance, and was not done in the companies name. Some back stabbing **** has used this against him.
I am not a sheep, I will say what I want.
I am not a shepherd, I let other say what they want.
Well unfortunately you don't run the world. A business in the U.S. can fire you for practically any reason. There are some discrimination laws, but this case doesn't fall under that.
As a CEO he is the face of his company. Anything he does or says reflects on his company, whether it is done in his free time or not. He says/does something stupid and makes the company look bad, so they want to get rid of him. It happens all the time. The only reason it's a big deal now is because it has to do with gay marriage (which the media loves to talk about).
The point is, if your employment is dependent one someone else, keep your ignorant viewpoints to yourself.
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Hello,
At 49 years old, I think that as you get older you understand why there is an age of consent. You might think or know at 15 what you want, but it changes as you get older. You also have to think about this, when do your parents stop taking responsibility for your actions.
"The age of concent" has nothing to do with you agreeing to have sex or not. It is the age that the society you live in says it is legal to have sex. Rape ( a crime I consider worse than murder ) or pedophilia ( which I think is worse than rape ) should be punished very hard.
I am not an American, I am English. We let people drive at 17, when we think they are sensible enough, guess why I think 17 is a good age for sex now.
Steve
You bring up quite an interesting point. ''In the society you live in.''
It really does all come down to the society you live in. When I try to apply that to my country (The Netherlands) the age of consent is 16. However, in comparison with e.g. The USA 16 year olds over here are in a different stage of their life, how weird that might sound. The average age of people going to college/university here is 17 I believe, so that also means a big deal of 16 year olds are living the college life. In whatever way you might look at it a part of the college/university life is exploring yourself, also sexually. Another thing is that the legal age for alcohol and clubbing used to be 16 (alcohol age is now 18, not for too long though probably). What comes with going out for some people, also sex. The fact that the Netherlands used to be, and still is rather revolutionary with alike subjects also helps I suppose.
The age of consent will always be a difficult subject though. There's a difference between a 15 y/o having intercourse with a 17 y/o, and a 13 y/o having sex with a 22 y/o.
About the CEO getting fired is something I can understand, however I can also understand the criticism that it's getting.
Mozilla Firefox is a huge brand and company, in the world we live in now tolerance towards homosexuals and the LGBT community is growing and it's getting more accepted whether you like it or not.
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.static.flickr.com%2F4143%2F4904081393_6d86818c0d_o.png&hash=f54020f866ed93d34c389d00cfaaf497)
If we look at this graph (it's data from 2010 so not too accurate) you can see that FF is (or atleast used to be) more popular in Europe than in the USA. Homosexuality is also widely more accepted in Europe than the USA a.f.s.i.k , so with the CEO staying whilst his views regarding gay marriage being public they could've lost more users than with him staying.
For myself I think gay (LGBT) rights should be equal everywhere anyway, but my opinion doesn't really matter.
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Yes, it is highly dependent on culture and the society you one lives in.
However, it's not as straight forward as that.
For example, where I live (Estonia), the age of consent is 14, but the average age of people going to college is actually 19. So the same principles do not always work.
Don't get me wrong, you're probably right to some extent, DarkShooter, but it's not such a simple subject.
The age of consent will always be a difficult subject though. There's a difference between a 15 y/o having intercourse with a 17 y/o, and a 13 y/o having sex with a 22 y/o.
Of course there's a difference there, there's a far greater gap in years in those.
What I would argue is that there's a difference between a 16 y/o and a 14 y/o having intercourse vs a 25 (or more) y/o and 16 (or less) y/o having intercourse, which is (apparently) perfectly legal here in Estonia.
I don't really know where I'm trying to go with this, but I guess I'm trying to say that it's more complicated than any of us could probably think of and different countries have gone different ways in addressing the same problem. The reasons are probably often historical (for example, for Estonia getting out of Soviet occupation meant we wanted to change a lot of the laws just because we wanted them to differ from our former oppressor).
And DarkShooter, don't say your opinion doesn't matter. It always matters, be it part of the majority or minority.
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I'm aware it doesn't only depend on that, but it is a (big) part of it.
For me the age of consent is a law but not necessarely a guideline. It all comes down to the individual if they are sexually active or not. If somebody feels ready to do so, and is properly informed and educated I think it's okay for them to have sex. In my opinion sex education should be done by the parents, and not by schools by the way. At least, mainly done by parents and the part about STD's is something for sex ed class. Of course I'm talking about the age 14/15+, as I don't believe the true desire for sex is in the mind for teenagers younger than that.
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Here in Brazil 'legal' age is 18 (if ANY MINOR that commits a CRIME, doesn't matter what kind of crime, can only be "arrested" for 3 years and then will be released without anything is his historic), Consensual sex is allowed with 14yo +, otherwise 'is Rape'.
I don't see a reason for 'Homos' to have any speacial right or law to favor them, as in the first place they are Humans and Citizens, we know that most of Countries contituitions covers our rights very well (I think the same about Racial quota, we are all equal). And I didn't even mentionated religious beliefs :P .
If you look straight into the Gayzism, Feminism, Communist/Socialist cause, you will see how bad it is and how many holes to other crimes (like Pedo) their pseudo-laws are opening.
sry for the typos and language mistakes.
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Hello,
What's all the fuss about? Being gay or pedo doesn't make a person bad. It's just a matter of taste.
E.g. Possessed is both, and he is a good aao25.com admin.
And you have bad taste.
People keep talking about the age difference between partners, what does that have to do with anything.
It is about "consenting" sex partners and when someone is old enough to know what they want. Biggest difference I have had personally is 7 years. So were they 16 and me 23 and is that wrong?
College/University is 17/18 years old here normally so no problem with them exploring.
Everyone is different, some people develop earlier some later. This is part of the reason there is a need for a standard age for consent.
Steve
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Good post Steve.
Ignore that 'Torpedo' guy, he is a just an old plague in Assist history.
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I don't see a reason for 'Homos' to have any speacial right or law to favor them, as in the first place they are Humans and Citizens,
I'm going to stop you right there. Nobody is requesting laws or special rights for homosexuals. All that's being asked for is equal rights, mostly the right to get married.
I will agree that some of the people in the homosexual community take it to the extreme and make everyone else look bad, but that happens for every group, even heterosexuals. How are the crappy "reality" shows like "Jersey Shore" which depict heterosexual people being complete fucking idiots any better than some of the people in gay pride parades? It's not. It's probably worse.
I honestly don't care much as it doesn't affect me. I'm not an advocate either way, but going out of your way to be against homosexuals getting married is ridiculous. What's the worst that can happen? Nothing.
If you're super religion and think they'll go to hell then why do you even care?
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Hello,
Believe it or not, I am not an "ist" person. I don't see color, sex/orientation, age, disability or religion.
What I am is someone who hates it when someone says "Your only saying/doing that because I am [ red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet, black or white / male, female, straight, gay or bi / any age / disabled / what ever religion or not ]"
Things that may change in the law and why.
Age of consent. Because people want it to change.
How people can be married at one time. Because people want it to change.
I am only using those two currently, but there are more. The "people" who want these things to change might be you, they might be me or they could be someone else. I already cover the age of consent.
Number of people allowed to be married. Most "White" cultures agree on two people being married, whilst a lot of "Non-white" cultures like one husband and many wives. There is discrimination a plenty here. First off, I had to use the colors too make a point, but I do know that the same applies the other way around sometimes. But here is the bigger discrimination, 1 husband and many wives! Why not 1 wife and many husbands?
Steve
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So if he was openly racist or neo-nazi, he should still be able to keep his job as a face out for the company? I think not, the subject does matter. especially when it concerns human rights.
Well American was racist and pro nazi. Dont get your point really
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Well American was racist and pro nazi. Dont get your point really
What american? My point was to draw a connecting line between if a public spokesperson for a company was openly supporting nazi parties, or made statements which had racist remarks, he'd get fired really fast. I think the same rule should apply to anyone opposing gay marriage rights. Gay people are human, hence have human rights to marry whomever they wish.
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So gays want to get married fine, get married.. They want a church wedding, but they dont want to all that comes along with being a member of that church. Christianity does not conform to same sex marrage. So why do they want to force that upon the church. Get married if you like but you cant force you agenda on anothers agenda. Make your own church with you own do what ever you want rules, who stopping them?
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Your are wrong killa, they do want special benefits/laws, atleast here.
I've no problem with Homos, see, my Internet comes from a guy that is Homo.
I have problems with those extremists dumb cunts who are trying to destroy the institution called Family.
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I haven't heard about any special laws regarding homosexuality over here, but then again we've got gay marriage and such things for quite a while now.
@No-Nonsense about the church marriage that's something I can understand the church being opposed to. Marriage by law should be available for all genders, marriage by religion is a whole other case imo. I'm not religious at all myself, but if homosexuality is against the beliefs of said church I can understand them not accepting gay marriage. I do think that there's a place for homosexuals in religion. Maybe one day, as religion evolves as well it'll be acceptable.
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Religion can does evolve as religion is what ever you want it to be. Christianity has been used and abused for a very long time and look very similar to religion. Most churches today are religious. Christianity is about setting ppl free. Christ never came to condem the world. But the church preaches condemnation to everyone. Thats how it becomes a religion. Its about setting ppl free like Christ did, that is exactly what the Christians are supposed to be doing. Christ cast out demons and healed the sick, that is what the so called church is ment to be doing. Homosexuals are demon possed and need set free, same with rapist pedos sex maniacs etc. its a very simple process. Same with healing the sick simple process.
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Your are wrong killa, they do want special benefits/laws, atleast here.
Like what?
I've haven't heard of that here, but different countries, different things I suppose. How exactly is gay marriage going to destroy the family?
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Not exaclty Gay marriage, but well, Family is build by a Men and a Woman.
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I know a gay couple who adopted 3 children. Do you call that a family possesed? Cause I do...
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Not exaclty Gay marriage, but well, Family is build by a Men and a Woman.
Definition of family
"a basic social unit consisting of parents and their children, considered as a group"
So yes, if a gay couple has kids they are indeed a family.
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Lock 2 mens or two womans In a room and only let them get out when they have a kid.
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Oh mannnn! You guys are having quite a discussion. From what I can see, KillaMan is breaking it down perfectly, especially when it pertains to the US Constitution. Freedom of Speech is a right we have, sure, but people who own businesses have rights, too. If this man has the right to say ANYTHING and WHATEVER he wants and still keep his job, then a 2nd-grade teacher at a private school can curse the living hell out of little kids every day in class and still keep his or her job. That's just not the case.
And I'm not sure if this has been mentioned already in this thread, but the CEO didn't get fired; he resigned and asserts he wasn't forced out. He claims it was best for the company for him to step down, at least temporarily. The fact of the matter still remains, though -- when we hear of these constitutional rights, it's about people and states' rights from the federal government. Everything in between can usually become a debatable situation, which is why we have courts, lawyers, judges, state law, police officers, and the US Code. Hell, even what's in the US Constitution is often fervently debated because of vastly different interpretations.
Nevertheless, all this easily becomes complicated, and it's not as 'simple' as it may seem on the surface; but precedent shows us that freedom of speech has not at all been infringed in this Mozilla case. And lastly, "Freedom of Speech" does not protect people from the consequences of speech, so even if he were intimidated into resigning, or even if he actually did outright get fired, his rights would have not been infringed, because he'd still be free and alive.
EDIT: Or, how about if a 2nd-grade teacher at a private school was teaching little kids about how to have gay sex? Would anti-gay proponents rally to keep that teacher's job because of free-speech rights?
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He supported an anti-gay marriege campaing in 2010 , He left Mozilla cause there employers are defesors of gay marriage, it was quite the opposite of what you tried to show. Those gay groups only want special rights w/e and those who are against them are treated like worms wich they smash.
Here in my country, gay groups have build a Gay-kit to be used in school, so kids of 5 to 8 yo would be teached about all kind of Gay stuff, but the majority of ppl didn't approved and their Kit wasn't released. Kits were developed with gay groups and a part of the government wich is run by gay ativists, without asking the population, that is what those groups want, to enforce their weird (imo) stuff into our kids, destrying the conception of family (wich is IMO Men + Woman = Kids), legalizing Drugs (starting with Pot) and God knows what kind of drug they will allow too.
Here those Communist/Gay/Feminist and "Drug" groups work together to achieve their objs.
"Divide to conquer". They are doing it well.
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Lock 2 mens or two womans In a room and only let them get out when they have a kid.
You're family only if you can make a child? That's a pretty sad idea tbh
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Funny that people get so worked up over marriage. Let anyone marry anyone they want. It's not like it actually means anything. People get divorced all the time.
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Funny that people get so worked up over marriage. Let anyone marry anyone they want. It's not like it actually means anything. People get divorced all the time.
heh lol
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Hello,
I want to marry my PC, have started ironing my dick so it will fit in card slot.
At the end of the day, I have a personal opinion, a business opinion. No two people will ever have exactly the same views on everything, and the same can be said about people and companies. As long as I tow the company line in public, I don't see a problem. In private what I do is my business.
Now do we want to get in to a privacy issue here?
Steve
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Hello,
I want to marry my PC, have started ironing my dick so it will fit in card slot.
At the end of the day, I have a personal opinion, a business opinion. No two people will ever have exactly the same views on everything, and the same can be said about people and companies. As long as I tow the company line in public, I don't see a problem. In private what I do is my business.
Now do we want to get in to a privacy issue here?
Steve
At first I though you just didn't like that the company fired him for his views, but your first strawman sentence makes it seem like you're also against gay marriage as well.
"I have a different opinion than you" could be used to justify any bad viewpoints or behavior. Where is the line? I'd say it's at equal rights for all humans, but apparently you disagree, despite having no logical argument to back up your view. Why are you even here debating if you're not going to provide anything other than meaningless phrases such as "No two people will ever have exactly the same views on everything" What's the point?
As far as privacy goes, how is this even a privacy situation? When you show your support for a public movement, that's a public act. A private act would be telling a friend or family member. If it was actually private, nobody would know, unless a family member or friend leaked it.
Regardless, when you're a CEO, nothing you do is private. It's the same as if you're a sports star or a celebrity. It's to be expected. He knew what he was getting into, it's the life of a public figure. It might not be right, but that's life, and life never has been, and never will be fair.
The bottom line was his stance on this issue had a chance to have a negative effect on the company. This kind of thing happens A LOT, but is only getting attention now because it has to do with gay marriage.
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You're family only if you can make a child? That's a pretty sad idea tbh
Exactly. If there are women and men who cannot have children, does this mean they shouldn't be allowed to get married and perhaps even adopt children without homes and/or parents?
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He supported an anti-gay marriege campaing in 2010 , He left Mozilla cause there employers are defesors of gay marriage, it was quite the opposite of what you tried to show. Those gay groups only want special rights w/e and those who are against them are treated like worms wich they smash.
Here in my country, gay groups have build a Gay-kit to be used in school, so kids of 5 to 8 yo would be teached about all kind of Gay stuff, but the majority of ppl didn't approved and their Kit wasn't released. Kits were developed with gay groups and a part of the government wich is run by gay ativists, without asking the population, that is what those groups want, to enforce their weird (imo) stuff into our kids, destrying the conception of family (wich is IMO Men + Woman = Kids), legalizing Drugs (starting with Pot) and God knows what kind of drug they will allow too.
Here those Communist/Gay/Feminist and "Drug" groups work together to achieve their objs.
"Divide to conquer". They are doing it well.
ROFL @ "Gay kits." Who in the hell told you that? That sounds like something out of South Park. I don't believe it at all. What in the world could possibly be inside of a "gay kit?" Dildos and gay-porn DVDs? I don't understand, but I'd definitely love to know more.
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The gay kit story made my day. The only thing I can think of is that a group might support better education in the earlier stages of a kid's life about homosexuality, but please elaborate on that.
Legalizing weed, or atleast controlling the usage of weed is a good idea by the way. Even if you take it even further, reselling it from the core of the government, being able to get taxes off of it. Not even mentioning that weed is less harmfull than tabacco and alcohol as far as I know.
A research a few years ago had an interesting result. The percentage of people above the age of 12 in the Netherlands (can purchase weed openly) who had ever tried weed was around 25%, where for example the percentage was around 45% in the USA(at the time of research illegal in all states).
Also Posessed, I'm getting a feeling you might be religiously influenced, am I right or completely wrong here?
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Hello,
At first I though you just didn't like that the company fired him for his views, but your first strawman sentence makes it seem like you're also against gay marriage as well.
"I have a different opinion than you" could be used to justify any bad viewpoints or behavior. Where is the line? I'd say it's at equal rights for all humans, but apparently you disagree, despite having no logical argument to back up your view. Why are you even here debating if you're not going to provide anything other than meaningless phrases such as "No two people will ever have exactly the same views on everything" What's the point?
As far as privacy goes, how is this even a privacy situation? When you show your support for a public movement, that's a public act. A private act would be telling a friend or family member. If it was actually private, nobody would know, unless a family member or friend leaked it.
Regardless, when you're a CEO, nothing you do is private. It's the same as if you're a sports star or a celebrity. It's to be expected. He knew what he was getting into, it's the life of a public figure. It might not be right, but that's life, and life never has been, and never will be fair.
The bottom line was his stance on this issue had a chance to have a negative effect on the company. This kind of thing happens A LOT, but is only getting attention now because it has to do with gay marriage.
Where too start, I am not against marriage, I am against the law being changed over time.
The first line of my post was sarcasm, where does the changing of the law end?
Will, eventually, people be able to marry an inanimate object?
The point is that no two people have the exact same views on everything, so why get rid of the CEO because one view does not match someone else.
It is not equal rights for all humans. This CEO who is a human lost his rights to have a personal opinion.
Of course this is a privacy issue. The CEO did this privately not in the companies name. He was doing what he thought was right.
Not even mentioning that weed is less harmfull than tabacco and alcohol as far as I know.
So you don't think a mind altering drug will effect driving skills then?
I also want to point out that is have used Firefox for a very long time, and still do. Not because I agree with their politics or views, but because I started out on Netscape before Internet Explorer.
Steve
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He didn't lose his right for freedom of speech. He said what he said and it was his opinion. All good with that.
Now the problem arose when the decision makers in the company found that what this CEO said is bad for the company's reputation.
I don't know the exact details of all of this and how 'private' this conversation was, but I agree with someone who said that something that a public figure says is almost always public (usually unless spoken to a friend or family member). Therefore the public statement made the company look bad (at least in the eyes of the other people working there), which lead to him stepping back (or getting fired, whichever it was).
He was still allowed to express and have his own opinion. But being a public figure, he will still represent the company whether it's an official press conference of said company or something else. People who don't know him still recognize him as the CEO of that company before anything else.
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So you don't think a mind altering drug will effect driving skills then?
Oh it certainly does affect driving skills, just like alcohol does, in a different way at least. Driving under influence (also weed) is and should be punishable by law obviously. I'm completely surprised you bringing this up because I don't see myself implying the contrary anywhere in this topic.
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the Gay kit thing is true, the content of the kit had stuff talking about homosexuality etc... Kids in that age DO NOT need to learn about such things IMO.
For me a family is a Man and a Woman, the point is that only a Man and a Woman can have their own kids.
I agree with what Steve said and look, now in Australia you can choose to be a: Men, Woman or Unknown/Neutral gender.
While our own ports are in shit, our Communist President spent US$ 900 millions (brazilian ppl money! pure illegal "investiment") in CUBA, for what? heres the answer: http://www.capitolhillcubans.com/2014/03/why-odebrechts-port-was-chosen-for.html (http://www.capitolhillcubans.com/2014/03/why-odebrechts-port-was-chosen-for.html)
http://www.capitolhillcubans.com/2014/03/must-read-un-releases-concerning-report.html (http://www.capitolhillcubans.com/2014/03/must-read-un-releases-concerning-report.html)
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the Gay kit thing is true, the content of the kit had stuff talking about homosexuality etc... Kids in that age DO NOT need to learn about such things IMO.
For me a family is a Man and a Woman, the point is that only a Man and a Woman can have their own kids.
I agree with what Steve said and look, now in Australia you can choose to be a: Men, Woman or Unknown/Neutral gender.
While our own ports are in shit, our Communist President spent US$ 900 millions (brazilian ppl money! pure illegal "investiment") in CUBA, for what? heres the answer: http://www.capitolhillcubans.com/2014/03/why-odebrechts-port-was-chosen-for.html (http://www.capitolhillcubans.com/2014/03/why-odebrechts-port-was-chosen-for.html)
http://www.capitolhillcubans.com/2014/03/must-read-un-releases-concerning-report.html (http://www.capitolhillcubans.com/2014/03/must-read-un-releases-concerning-report.html)
That so called gay-kit is to give kids the idea that there's nothing bad in being a homosexual, it might prevent kids for growing up close minded and more tolerant towards the homosexuals. Maybe a gay-kit could've been of help in your youth.
For me a family is a Man and a Woman, the point is that only a Man and a Woman can have their own kids.
So what do you call a couple (man+woman) who can't have babies because of whatever reason?
Australia's decision to add a 3rd option for gender is a great development in my eyes, there are many transgender/transsexuals or people uncertain of their gender. Such little changes can mean the world to those.
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Soon we will have half-lizard-human gender.
This couple can adopt a child, but the point isn't adoption.
Humanity is walking into the self-destruction path.
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Humanity is walking into the self-destruction path.
People should learn to be more tolerent towards others. If you think gay marriage is self destruction you better start shooting all the gay people before they destroy the world
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Possessed ur talking so much bs that I can only laugh about it. Really what a retarded way of thinking you have about this subject. Pfff
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Possessed ur talking so much bs that I can only laugh about it. Really what a retarded way of thinking you have about this subject. Pfff
I think it's mainly a different culture, remember bollie us Dutchies are rather socially developed ;) .
But Possessed I didn't see you answering my question so I'll ask it again: Are you religious of any kind?
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Are you religious of any kind?
Need some glasses? When looking at Possessed's profile all I can see is God, Jezus, Bible etc... :D
In my opinion he is ofcourse influenced by a religious culture (which only he can confirm)
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Possessed, are you Christian? Let me know, because I am a Christian, and I don't share those views because, believe it or not, they are not the way of Jesus Christ. I can also prove this to you and whomever else adhering to the Christian faith. I know most Christians don't hold the views I have, but that's their problem (yes problem), because my view on things like this are all in the Bible. People just don't like to read it all and put it all into context; they only read and propagate the parts that make them feel like they, themselves, are holier than the next. But the fact is, NONE of us are "holy." We are people, and if you believe in Jesus, and if you believe in an all-powerful God, you'd know that God doesn't need US to do HIS job. It is not our job to judge; it is our job to love and help one another.
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I think it's mainly a different culture, remember bollie us Dutchies are rather socially developed ;) .
But Possessed I didn't see you answering my question so I'll ask it again: Are you religious of any kind?
That's true. We don't think so narrow minded...
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God gave us life in earth, why would we let the evil destroy it? do you think that homosexualism comes from God, abortion, drugs?
Everyone is free to do w/e they want, but also should be aware of its consequencies.
There are times to pray and times to take actions.
I'm not the only one who think like this, even atheists do, about such topics.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/1-corinthians/6.html (http://www.biblestudytools.com/1-corinthians/6.html)
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when people realize anything you say or do on the internet gets recorded , just giving some advice, this macho internet revolution bullshit, :down: only makes those kind of people a target , so when shit hits the fan they will catch you while your sleeping all cuddled upped with your wife or whoever. Wake up
ask this guy at the bundy ranch in Nevada, he was a right wing hero till them snipers and armed forces knocking at his door , the media is even putting the qustion mark next to waco texas. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/nevada-rancher-threatens-range-war-feds/story?id=23225314 (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/nevada-rancher-threatens-range-war-feds/story?id=23225314)
everybody is a tough guy til them snipers show up LOL, and that's not even the worse of it, if you get deeper then its no different then crossing the mafia,the difference now they have drones , and other ways to get the target especially if the Gov feels that man is a threat, you have to understand , Timothy McVay started all this BS buy using farm products to blow up a fed building with children in there and all, so yes the Gov at that point felt threaten and its obvious they made a million more chess moves in real life then , some dude preaching or posting up hate on the ALL SEEING EYE internet. I mean who doesn't want peace, but the religious side of things i don't discuss much , especially people that think facts are wrong LOL,All these anti gov protest are traps designed by them and that main guy screaming freedom on the stage is the main guy setting you up for failure ,don't believe the hype , you won't lose your "soul" if you accept the fact we are in the future now, and old traditions and old way of thinking are obsolete , no disrespect i grew up in a church and all Christianity taught me was to be nice and trust people that are D-bags, and 5 thousand years of a false fairy tale's book can't help me focus on the truth.Especially when the 1st slave ship that landed on America then was called Jesus, There's good people and bad in all races or whatever beliefs , just make sure you choose the good people, discrimination on a person based on if he's gay or black or whatever ,and then using a God to justify the hate does not add up, I can see if there was a whole race of people killing everybody everywere where they conquer then yeah time to fight back but til then just enjoy life , and be glad you have a car, roof ,food and water, ask west Virginia what happen they water supply got kinda cut off, so any state that is a extreme right wing (not saying all GOP are bad ) but the extreme ones , 1st things 1st food and water gets cut off then , all of a sudden your best friend or your neighbors become your worst enemy . Peace and Love
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God gave us life in earth, why would we let the evil destroy it? do you think that homosexualism comes from God, abortion, drugs?
Everyone is free to do w/e they want, but also should be aware of its consequencies.
There are times to pray and times to take actions.
I'm not the only one who think like this, even atheists do, about such topics.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/1-corinthians/6.html (http://www.biblestudytools.com/1-corinthians/6.html)
I'm not tying to argue with you, as arguing with a religion person is like talking to a brick wall. Never care about real evidence or facts, just what an old book says.
Hello,
Where too start, I am not against marriage, I am against the law being changed over time.
What a joke. Are you against the abolishing slavery? What about civil rights? What about when they decided it wasn't OK to beat your wife? All were laws that were changed due to us evolving as a society.
Society and social norms change all the time. We are a much better society than we used to be, and that might continue. Not wanting progress is ridiculous.
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Nicely said Killa!
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The evidence is above, all I see are fallacies, you can't discuss because you can't deny that such things are a disgrace and then you start to talk about bible and stuff, you have to prove things you support, I can prove my points, while all you can do is attack personnal beliefs wich have nothing to do with this.
Fallacies, fallacies everywhere.... I'm in favor of a better world for the next generations. End.
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The evidence is above, all I see are fallacies, you can't discuss because you can't deny that such things are a disgrace and then you start to talk about bible and stuff, you have to prove things you support, I can prove my points, while all you can do is attack personnal beliefs wich have nothing to do with this.
Fallacies, fallacies everywhere.... I'm in favor of a better world for the next generations. End.
HAHAHAHA. Made my day Possessed . Thanks for that. How one can come to that conclusion, I don't know, but like I said, I don't like to argue with religious people. If you have anything other that "book said so" or "religions leader said so", or "I heard", then I'm all ears, but until then, I'm not biting.
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Hello,
What a joke. Are you against the abolishing slavery? What about civil rights? What about when they decided it wasn't OK to beat your wife? All were laws that were changed due to us evolving as a society.
Society and social norms change all the time. We are a much better society than we used to be, and that might continue. Not wanting progress is ridiculous.
As far as I know ( and I may be wrong ) there was never a law that said you must have slaves. What there was, was no law against it. Anti slavery legislation was added in to law.
Civil rights have been added in to law, because some people ( regardless of color, creed or religion ) needed protecting.
I don't remember a law saying you should beat your wife, again that law was added.
Yes, over time the law changes, but mainly as new crimes are committed or things that were not illegal are made illegal.
Should all convicted criminals of a specific crime be released when the crime they committed is no longer a crime?
Steve
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Should all convicted criminals of a specific crime be released when the crime they committed is no longer a crime?
Yes? It that even a real question? Who would support keeping people in jail for things that are no longer crimes?
Also, while it wasn't a law to own slaves, laws still existed for slavery (3/5 compromise?) which had to be abolished when slavery was made illegal.
Laws used to punish women for speaking out against their husbands when abuse happened (these laws still exist in some Muslim countries). There were also laws prohibiting your from divorcing your husband wife in certain parts of the world (mainly a catholic thing). In civilized countries these laws were changed or thrown out all together. Abolishing prohibition is also another great example of a past law that was repealed due to pressure from new social norms.
Regardless, How is changing laws to make things illegal based on new social norms any different than changing laws to make things not illegal based on new social norms? What is the difference? You seem to be fine with one but not the other, but they're essentially the same thing.
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I can prove my points
Your points is:
Humanity is walking into the self-destruction path (because of gay marriage here)
Prove it to me ;)
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I'm not even sure where Christians get this anti gay position a lot of them seem to have. As far as I'm aware it says nothing against gay marriage in the new testament.
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Yes they dont like gay people, but their priests love young boys... what about that?
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Yes they dont like gay people, but their priests love young boys... what about that?
Ya I'm saying that I don't understand why. As far as I'm aware the old testament was the only place that was straight forward with saying that being gay is a sin and that was in Leviticus which is full of stupid and silly rules.
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Ganja: two mens or two womans can't have a baby. end of humanity. Proven, I'm sure it doesn't need more explanation.
I did not used any religious statement, only in a reply to NOOFY, from christian to christian.
I have no problem with Gays, just with theirs pratices and some LGBT actions, again, my internet is provided by a Gay.
Nick, the link I posted in reply to noofy has something about this. I will quote for u: either passive/active gays won't reach the kindom of heaven. once again I'm not based in religious statements regarding "anti-gay" cause, I'm against abusive laws/"rights" that some of them want.
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We have way to much people on this tiny planet.
So maybe this is gods way to stop fast our expanding drift?
Oehhh god made all these people gay!
Or this is not acceptable thinking?
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We have way to much people on this tiny planet.
So maybe this is gods way to stop fast our expanding drift?
Oehhh god made all these people gay!
Or this is not acceptable thinking?
Care to think and write something better? btw, thats what nuclear bombs are made for:P
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Possesed you know ur talking crap. So I did the same.
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Possesed you know ur talking crap. So I did the same.
Nope. Next.
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Ganja: two mens or two womans can't have a baby. end of humanity.
But not the entire world is gay right? People can still adopt? It's not as if there weren't enough people on this planet is it? Like it's mentionned several times in this topic, what about people who are hetero and still can't have babies? I was told there is a high chance I can't have kids normally later, so according to you I am no part of family and I am destroying the planet.
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Ganja ur going to hell! No Kingdom of heaven for you....
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Ganja: two mens or two womans can't have a baby. end of humanity. Proven, I'm sure it doesn't need more explanation.
How is that even a legitimate argument? Less than 10% of the world population is gay. I don't see how that could possible mean the end of humanity. That's ridiculous. Hell, if anything we need more gay people, the world is overpopulated enough as it is.
Plus, we have so many orphans in the world that every gay couple could adopt 2 and we'd still have orphans. We need more people to adopt kids, and this is a good way to insure more kids have homes. Every study done shows that there are no negative effects on kids raised by gay families. Logically your position makes no sense.
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every study? lol, despite that some of them abuse of their children, that you don't see, right?
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every study? lol, despite that some of them abuse of their children, that you don't see, right?
He was mentioning gay people, not the priests ;)
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every study? lol, despite that some of them abuse of their children, that you don't see, right?
Um, so do heterosexual parents. What's your point? Abuse is always going to happen. Whether heterosexual or homosexual, shitty people are shitty people. No sexual orientation is going to change that.
You don't think logically at all before you say something, and that's kind of scary as you're an admin representing AAO25.
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HAHA, Fallacies.
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Hello,
Until every country and every culture brings all laws in to one universal version, there will be trouble.
In the UK it is illegal to have sex under 16, so all I need to do is travel to another country to have sex with someone under 16. Does that make me a pedophile?
Steve
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Having "sex" with someone under 12 yo~ imo is Pedophilia, above 12yo~, it depends of how they did ended having "sex".
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A pedophile is someone who rapes someone under the age of 18 imo o.O
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Homosexuality existed since beginning of time . Surprisingly, humanity is still around. And most likely, plenty of people had parents who were either bisexual or homosexual at any point (of for the whole time) of their life. So-called "Gay marriages" should warrant rights for every couple of people no matter what their sex, theorically putting everyone at the same level. Sexual orientation doesn't make a person good or bad at taking care of a child, imho.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality)
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A pedophile is someone who rapes someone under the age of 18 imo o.O
So is the child is 12 and agrees to sex hes not a pedo? Its only if its rape?
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So is the child is 12 and agrees to sex hes not a pedo? Its only if its rape?
The definition of that type of crime is broader and depens on the country. Read below.
A pedophile is someone who rapes someone under the age of 18 imo o.O
I believe that in some US states the law consider as pedophile behavior the act of trying to get an aquaintance with the minor on an online chat (by showing pics and stuff). See that show called "To catch a predator", most of them travel to the child home and eventually get arrested "in the act", those who won't will still be arrested aswell for the attempt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7y6E-k3uKI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7y6E-k3uKI)
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HAHA, Fallacies.
I agree, your fallacies are quite amusing.
Pointing out crimes that both homosexuals and heterosexuals commit solely to say homosexuals are bad is quite ridiculous and definitely a fallacy. You're using only part of the whole picture of abuse to deceptively try to prove your point. I don't think you actually know what a fallacy is, because you're the only one using them.
Have you ever stopped to think about why everyone in this thread is against you? I'll give you a hint, it's not us, it's you.
Hello,
Until every country and every culture brings all laws in to one universal version, there will be trouble.
In the UK it is illegal to have sex under 16, so all I need to do is travel to another country to have sex with someone under 16. Does that make me a pedophile?
Steve
I fail to see how that post is relevant at all to the discussion. We're not talking about different laws or anything, but basic human rights here. Gay people should have the right to get married. Nobody else is really affected by it. Churches don't have to marry gay people, but there are plenty that will and already have. Nobody is being forced, so why the backlash? You keep sidestepping the issue with something else. I don't care what the rules are in other countries, if it's against gay marriage, it's wrong.
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BIBLE LESSON ALERT:
Possessed, Titus 3:5 --- Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.
Ephesians 2:8-9 --- For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast!
Romans 3:20 -- Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
Acts 13:9 -- Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.
Romans 3:28 -- Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Galations 5:6 -- For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
Galations 2:16 -- Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
2 Timothy 1:9 -- He has saved us and called us to a holy life--not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time.
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 -- God has united you with Christ Jesus. For our benefit God made him to be wisdom itself. Christ made us right with God; he made us pure and holy, and he freed us from sin. Therefore, as the Scriptures say, "If you want to boast, boast only about the LORD."
Romans 11:16 -- And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
Titus 3:3-7 -- At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.
Conclusion: Possessed, there is nothing of yourself that you can "do" to become perfect in God's eyes. In the Christian faith, the only one to be that was Jesus Christ. I could've kept going on and on showing you Biblical evidence that you considering something "weird" and making human judgments is not Godly; rather, it is a WORLDLY thing that you're doing. It's fine and dandy that you're doing it, but just know that when "Christians" do this, they're not being Christian; they're being of the WORLD. People use the Bible to justify their personal angst and agitations of the world, to make themselves feel holier than the next person. If they took a closer, more objective look at the Bible, BOTH testaments, they'd see that the Bible is a complete piece that chronicles the "imperfect" characteristics of human beings, whom, according to Christianity, are made PERFECT and complete by believing in Jesus Christ, simple and plain. The Old Testament clearly shows that there is NO ROOM, whatsoever, for a person (a HUMAN) to judge another human from a "Godly perspective, because they are not God, and because ALL have fallen short of Glory. If you're judging another human being, it will be from a WORLDLY perspective, and it would not be wise to couple religion with this worldly judgment and claim that it is some Christian justification. I'm not sure how it is with other religions, but from what I've gathered and from the evidence that I've presented, this is undoubtedly the case. As the Bible says, if we want to boast then boast about Jesus Christ's love, but not about how "they're weird and I'm not weird," which leads me to my closing scripture for you:
James 2:2-4 -- Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in filthy old clothes also comes in. If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, "Here's a good seat for you," but say to the poor man, "You stand there" or "Sit on the floor by my feet," have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? <<< This scripture is about favoritism, Possessed. The same frame of mind should be applied to gay people. Just a Christian heads-up.
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I'm actually surprised by some possessed ignorant posts in this thread.
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Hello,
I fail to see how that post is relevant at all to the discussion. We're not talking about different laws or anything, but basic human rights here. Gay people should have the right to get married. Nobody else is really affected by it. Churches don't have to marry gay people, but there are plenty that will and already have. Nobody is being forced, so why the backlash? You keep sidestepping the issue with something else. I don't care what the rules are in other countries, if it's against gay marriage, it's wrong.
Again you miss the point completely, getting married is not a human right.
Gay marriage is what we are discussing, and the law has changed. In the 1960's it was illegal to commit homosexual acts, now the state sanctions homosexuality.
It might be a human right to be homosexual.
Steve
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Hello,
Again you miss the point completely, getting married is not a human right.
Gay marriage is what we are discussing, and the law has changed. In the 1960's it was illegal to commit homosexual acts, now the state sanctions homosexuality.
It might be a human right to be homosexual.
Steve
I shouldn't have said "human right" as such a thing doesn't exist. We don't have rights simply for being human, rights are given by governments and ruling bodies. I misspoke.
Everyone should have the right to marry. This should be a basic right that everyone gets. It's not just a religious thing anymore, it have financial benefits too and the government treats married people differently. Not wanting to change the law is a ridiculous reason to be against equal rights for homosexuals.
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ty Noofy :D I know it all, but I'm not motivated by this :D. I'm not against Gay marriage, the point is that some Gay groups are seeking for laws/rights that simple stupidity imo.
and Someone had to left Mozilla due to their pressure, thats how it works, or you are in total favor of them or they will treat you like Hitler.
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ty Noofy :D I know it all, but I'm not motivated by this :D. I'm not against Gay marriage, the point is that some Gay groups are seeking for laws/rights that simple stupidity imo.
and Someone had to left Mozilla due to their pressure, thats how it works, or you are in total favor of them or they will treat you like Hitler.
Possessed, I?m really curious about another thing, have you ever been in contact with somebody whom had a different sexual orientation than heterosexuality? You're trying to demonise the LGBT community but I have a strong feeling you don't even know any. I know several homosexuals, a few are assholes (pun not intended) but one of them is my best friend and not trying to portray heterosexuals as the devil. Portraying the other 'sexual orientated group' as the devil is something you're currently doing.
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Did you read the part where I said that my internet is provided by a Gay? I talk with him just as I do to everyone else, I have been 'in contact" with lesbians lol.
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:D
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I love how you write gay with a capital letter, like they are from a country :-)
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I love how you write gay with a capital letter, like they are from a country :-)
I more like to think of it as he means it in the same way people write God with a capital G. Because in my opinion even Gays are more holy than the people whom despise them.
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lulz
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Hallelujah
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Hello,
At least Gays exist, god does not.
Steve
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Hello,
At least Gays exist, god does not.
Steve
Best post achieved. Discussion over.
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I keep using my firefox and hopefully for a lot more years ;)
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Hello,
At least Gays exist, god does not.
Steve
And you can prove that God does'nt exist?
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I don't use FX anymore cause "Chrome" is better :D.
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I wrote a post discussing the existence of God, but instead of posting it, I decided to let folks ponder on the double-slit experiment. I think we can go from there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc)
This video quickly illustrates it perfectly, simply, and easily. Check it out. And tell me if you can find the "God" implications within this scientific realization.
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Hello,
And you can prove that God does'nt exist?
I am agnostic.
It is not for me to prove or dis-prove.
I just need proof.
Steve
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Hello,
I am agnostic.
It is not for me to prove or dis-prove.
I just need proof.
Steve
Hmmmm, would you like to have a personal conversation? No, I'm no priest or anything like that, haha, but I have thought very deeply and intensely on this topic. I've researched this thing to absolute death, obsessively. I can tell you that there is plenty of evidence of a creator, and evidence that we are not here only by mere chance, but intention.
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Hmmmm, would you like to have a personal conversation? No, I'm no priest or anything like that, haha, but I have thought very deeply and intensely on this topic. I've researched this thing to absolute death, obsessively. I can tell you that there is plenty of evidence of a creator, and evidence that we are not here only by mere chance, but intention.
There is more hard evidence of the big bang.
This creator story, is a story without any scientific proof
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There is more hard evidence of the big bang.
This creator story, is a story without any scientific proof
This is what I have been waiting for muahhahaha.
So the big bang has some proof does it. Tell me what YOU know about this proof. Dont google me copy paste crap. Show me what you know. The modern day father of evoution whom you all worship. Richard Dawkins. I have a nice video of him. But I will knock you out with that later.
But heres a couple to wet your all beleiving what ever you read in the gutter press.
From a BB the rocks are all ragged and jagged Fact. Why
are all the planets round?
The water on the earth allgedly came from passing astriods. How is it possible for that many to hit earth and Not land on any others?
If dino died out before man had evolved how come we have dino footprints along with men on the same foot print?
Steve so you can make cliams but dont have to back them up. Come on steve I know your better than that.
That is a total cop out.
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Why
are all the planets round?
A good question. Are they, though? How many planets do you know of?
Well, last I checked there were 8 planets in our solar system. And yes, they're all round (if this is the word you choose to use, because they are far from spherical).
And the simple reason for them being round, is gravity. The same way you and I are kept on the surface of the Earth, all the rest of the Earth is as well. If the Earth would be a lot different from a sphere, bits on the furthest ends from the center would either fly off (if they're far enough) or come crumbling down to earth, just as would you if you went as far as that from the center (and tried to 'stand still' as you do on the current surface).
As for the big bang having no proof, while I'm no expert, I'm pretty sure there are things that suggest (if not prove) that the big bang really did take place. One that pops to mind is the background radiation (the static on your old TV if you have no cable/antenna connected), but I'm sure it's not the only one.
As for asteroids 'not hitting any others', I don't know if you've ever seen a picture of the Moon, because if you had, you'd see that quite many have landed there. Granted, they probably wouldn't have contained too much water (otherwise we'd probably have 'found' it by now). In fact most of the asteroids in the solar system get sucked in by the far superior mass of Jupiter, than Earth.
Whether water came to earth on an asteroid, I don't know, but saying that asteroids don't hit any other celestial bodies, is kind of stupid.
I don't know what kind of footprints you're talking about, but evidence (to my knowledge) does suggest that mankind wasn't evolved when the dinosaurs ruled the Earth. Carbon dating is a pretty accurate way to date remains and (even though I haven't checked any of this per se) all human remains dated are younger than any of the dinosaurs' remains.
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Hello,
This is what I have been waiting for muahhahaha.
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Steve so you can make cliams but dont have to back them up. Come on steve I know your better than that.
That is a total cop out.
Look at your first line, and then think.
Did I "cop" out or did I supply the rope?
And too answer you less sarcasticly ( :D ) the big bang and or the existence of a supreme being/s are all theories, there is no proof.
Steve
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Why would you get involved in the biggest (and oldest) flame war ever started by humankind? :D
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I laughed so hard at the "why are planets round?" question.
The simplest answer; look at research on water in space. Gravity is the attraction of one object to another and the larger the mass, the more gravitational force it has, it emanates from the center of mass. Planets HAVE to be round, it's simple physics. Water also has surface tension and other properties that help it turn into a round ball but the same thing happens with rocks & gasses in space.
There is water on other planets, Mars for one. You don't see planets with oceans of liquid water (other chemicals is another question) because of the specific atmosphere Earth has. I believe Mars has a thinner atmosphere with different chemical makeup, making it 'easier' for things to escape, like moisture.
The above is my understanding based on accumulated random knowledge and logic. I could be wrong and I have no proof (much like your posts Nonsense).
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Hello,
I think that all large gravitational fields would be round eventually.
I also think that any object with even a small gravitational field would retain some form of atmosphere, the composition and density would be what mattered.
Steve
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A good question. Are they, though? How many planets do you know of?
Well, last I checked there were 8 planets in our solar system. And yes, they're all round (if this is the word you choose to use, because they are far from spherical).
And the simple reason for them being round, is gravity. The same way you and I are kept on the surface of the Earth, all the rest of the Earth is as well. If the Earth would be a lot different from a sphere, bits on the furthest ends from the center would either fly off (if they're far enough) or come crumbling down to earth, just as would you if you went as far as that from the center (and tried to 'stand still' as you do on the current surface).
As for the big bang having no proof, while I'm no expert, I'm pretty sure there are things that suggest (if not prove) that the big bang really did take place. One that pops to mind is the background radiation (the static on your old TV if you have no cable/antenna connected), but I'm sure it's not the only one.
As for asteroids 'not hitting any others', I don't know if you've ever seen a picture of the Moon, because if you had, you'd see that quite many have landed there. Granted, they probably wouldn't have contained too much water (otherwise we'd probably have 'found' it by now). In fact most of the asteroids in the solar system get sucked in by the far superior mass of Jupiter, than Earth.
Whether water came to earth on an asteroid, I don't know, but saying that asteroids don't hit any other celestial bodies, is kind of stupid.
I don't know what kind of footprints you're talking about, but evidence (to my knowledge) does suggest that mankind wasn't evolved when the dinosaurs ruled the Earth. Carbon dating is a pretty accurate way to date remains and (even though I haven't checked any of this per se) all human remains dated are younger than any of the dinosaurs' remains.
So there all round because of gravity? And no one has any proof that the planets were here for billions of years.
Carbon dating is acurate for 2000 years tops after that it goes of the scale.
Highset moutian 9000 ms approx deepest water Pacific approx 10.000ms
North south diamiter. Earth's Diameter at the Equator: 8000 approx. Earth's Diameter at the Poles: 8000 approx.
Eh thats pretty round for me.
Yes big bang experts lol suggest a lot of things with no facts So heres one for you. No one can measure that date line with any thing on earth today. Static on ur telly proves the BB now that is funny stuff.
The point about the astriods is where is the water? there is none on any planet. Fact. They have been spending vast amounts of your money trying to prove there is water. Why because for so dumb ass reason these guys you all put your unweavering trust in think tha,t if there is water on another planet then there is no God. If you will read carefully all the reports about any crap happening in space pay special attention to the small words like. Might be could be possibly. This is all to often taken as a fact with the head line being what catches your eye.
You havent seen any dino man footprints because the media doesnt want you seeing it. have a shallow look and you will find it. There are hundreds of fossils of man an dinos.
The people who brain wash you with BS have got a date line. look it up and then tell me why there are fosslised trees going through three date lines? That is imposible if they have there dates correct. Fact is they dont.
Even as early as the last decade they had to change there very short time line because they had it wrong. They had the bronze age out by at least 1000 years. So what can they tell you about long times. Fact is there not yet in a position to do that acurately.
Steve that aint even an answer. Still waiting on one.
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Jupiter's moon Europa is full with ice...
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You want a date line? Think about the speed of light and distances to far away suns. Those that are literally, a few million lightyears away. Our night sky would be far dimmer if everything was 2000 years old.
If you believe in the bible then you must like incest, cruelty and loads of fiction. I suggest the Harry Potter series to you, I bet you'll like it. Just, please, remember that, it too, is fiction.
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ho ho spanks, i love the part where he turns water into wine... or that wasnt true also?
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I turned water into coffee this morning. French presses are neat :)
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They have been spending vast amounts of your money trying to prove there is water.
Who spent my money? The US government? News flash, most people here are not from the US so my taxes don't got to the US government.
Now to think about it, maybe I should add my flag to my signature to make it clear (or better yet, have an option to have it next to your name :D ).
I'm not going to argue with religious people. They just care too much. I've been to the states and seen quite a few of the kind, wanting to turn me to 'find god' and other such nonsense. I'm sorry, it's not gonna happen, I don't have the time for that stuff.
Besides, arguments never really have winners anyway.
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Atheist > all kind of shit > Neo-atheists.
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lol neo-atheists...
Another slur to make atheists look bad. You know the slur for religious persons that believe in Jesus & god? Christians. So many fake ones out there that say they believe but live a far from holy life and really don't care about the moral values that the bible actually teaches.
You don't have to be religious to have good moral values, just the same as being religious doesn't make you a good person.
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You want a date line? Think about the speed of light and distances to far away suns. Those that are literally, a few million lightyears away. Our night sky would be far dimmer if everything was 2000 years old.
If you believe in the bible then you must like incest, cruelty and loads of fiction. I suggest the Harry Potter series to you, I bet you'll like it. Just, please, remember that, it too, is fiction.
Yeah yeah speed of light if there was a big bang but you have no proof. None bring some?
So now all you can do is acuse me of incest?
Is it an adult debate or just shit slinging.
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Jupiter's moon Europa is full with ice...
bollie go reread the crap you just goodled. It is thought to be. Try again.
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Who spent my money? The US government? News flash, most people here are not from the US so my taxes don't got to the US government.
Now to think about it, maybe I should add my flag to my signature to make it clear (or better yet, have an option to have it next to your name :D ).
I'm not going to argue with religious people. They just care too much. I've been to the states and seen quite a few of the kind, wanting to turn me to 'find god' and other such nonsense. I'm sorry, it's not gonna happen, I don't have the time for that stuff.
Besides, arguments never really have winners anyway.
Wow you really thought this post was for you? keep your flag.
Whose religious?
Who wants to talk about God?
What I did notice though you lot all brought up God more than me. Never new you were all so interested in the bible and God. Hmm that is strange.
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lol neo-atheists...
Another slur to make atheists look bad. You know the slur for religious persons that believe in Jesus & god? Christians. So many fake ones out there that say they believe but live a far from holy life and really don't care about the moral values that the bible actually teaches.
You don't have to be religious to have good moral values, just the same as being religious doesn't make you a good person.
All of the above is correct.
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bollie go reread the crap you just goodled. It is thought to be. Try again.
I didn't goodled it.
The facts are there. If you dont want to see them, that's ur problem and not mine.
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Wow you really thought this post was for you?
Whose religious?
Well since you quoted my post, I did.
As for who might be religious, well according to Wikipedia, around 30% of Estonians (where I live) and around 79% in the US have declared their religious affiliation.
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I didn't goodled it.
The facts are there. If you dont want to see them, that's ur problem and not mine.
The facts are where?
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Well since you quoted my post, I did.
As for who might be religious, well according to Wikipedia, around 30% of Estonians (where I live) and around 79% in the US have declared their religious affiliation.
Its a general post I would have thought you might pick that up. But seems no.
You brought up religion not me.
I'm not going to argue with religious people. They just care too much. I've been to the states and seen quite a few of the kind, wanting to turn me to 'find god' and other such nonsense. I'm sorry, it's not gonna happen, I don't have the time for that stuff.
Besides, arguments never really have winners anyway.
I am not interested in Estionias or Americas religious views. Were taking evoloution THEORY.
I am sure you all still realise that it is a theory.
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lol neo-atheists...
Another slur to make atheists look bad. You know the slur for religious persons that believe in Jesus & god? Christians. So many fake ones out there that say they believe but live a far from holy life and really don't care about the moral values that the bible actually teaches.
You don't have to be religious to have good moral values, just the same as being religious doesn't make you a good person.
thats it, neo-atheists are shit.
Its waste of time No-nonsense, they will always blame your religion, even when you're discussing without putting your religious thoughts in it..
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Its waste of time No-nonsense, they will always blame your religion, even when you're discussing without putting your religious thoughts in it..
Wut? Of course it's your religion... it's a silly waste of time. I don't believe scientific facts, I accept them because there are people much more qualified and knowledgeable who dedicate their lives to researching and broadening our understanding of the world. Can't really say the same thing about religious people. It's stuff that's written down. Any higher-up holy person's job is just to interpret it and help other people understand it.
If you believe you can be a good person without religion, why bother with it? It's meant to be a guide in life for those that are weak. If you have the moral strength to be a good person, you don't need religion.
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when are you going to learn?
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As you guys love to talk about God, here it goes:
1 Corinthians 18-31
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:
?I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.?
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
Glory Only in the Lord
26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God?and righteousness and sanctification and redemption? 31 that, as it is written, ?He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.?
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And i have seeeen the light! Hallelujah
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So it seems you lot have nothing else to add and never aswered any of my questions Funny at the start you all had the answers. Now you have moved on to childish behavior. These experts that you put your trust in have a job to do. And that is to prove evoulation as fact or pack your bags there will be no new contract to your studies. So they all toe the line and continue to try and prove the unprovable. Any one in the scientific field who says any thing about intelligent design is out of a job. That is wht they bend the truth in the name of science. It ment to be to prove with out any shadow of a doubt. Fact is they are sacked if they mention intelligent design. Thats the clown you put your trust in. The one better educated than you. Are they really? They may well be but with no balls. And thats a fact. Most of you in here are more interested in a poxy game than reality. The nearest most of you get to reality is the game show. wake up.
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I cant discuss with people like you. You think that you bring all facts, but they aren't.
Its better to ignore you.
Have fun in ur own reality.
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Hello,
Funny . . . . people read a book of a translation of an interpretation discussing early science fiction and they think it is to be believed.
Steve
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I cant discuss with people like you. You think that you bring all facts, but they aren't.
Its better to ignore you.
Have fun in ur own reality.
Have a look at what you actully brought to the adult conversation. Nothing. Why because you know nothing and cant bring anything.
You came with you very bold and very short statements and fear of unknown territory has driven you away. Your own ignoranse has been shown up here. So the lesson is dont get into something unless you are prepared to either learn or back up what you said. You have choosen to do niether. So you cant talk to me because you know nothing on the subject. And you are not prepared to listen and learn because you dont like me or my attitude. So that on its own tells every one here where you are and its all to shallow. At the very least learrn not to get involed and then look stupid by running away.
And no i dont know it all in fact my knowledge on this is quite shallow. So run away and kid your self on, cause you dont kid me.
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Hello,
Funny . . . . people read a book of a translation of an interpretation discussing early science fiction and they think it is to be believed.
Steve
Not sure who is this directed at or what you are saying?
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Sure man. You are a great and wise person with a attitude problem. For me personal i don't care what you think and has to say. But its funny how you wanna spread ur blabla to everyone and say that they are facts.
You say i dont know nothing, well you know nothing about me so don't try acting like that, ok?
I know you think ur right, same as the bs discussion why u tk people. You just think ur always right. And i dont discuss nothing with such people. I only bring notifications and thats it
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Sure man. You are a great and wise person with a attitude problem. For me personal i don't care what you think and has to say. But its funny how you wanna spread ur blabla to everyone and say that they are facts.
You say i dont know nothing, well you know nothing about me so don't try acting like that, ok?
I know you think ur right, same as the bs discussion why u tk people. You just think ur always right. And i dont discuss nothing with such people. I only bring notifications and thats it
Are you looking for another thread? Are we on the same topic. See the mistake I to often make is I sometimes think I am talking to adults then it comes out no just an other child. Your boiling with anger and hatered because you think you have me all worked out. You took a decision like most ppl in here and said guys a tkr must be an ass hole. |Bahhhh maaahhh. Thats what sheep do. So like I said you have got nothing to add to an adult conversation so just go away. Or just read and learn and do nt be so judgemental with ppl that you dont know. And you do care what I say so stop the childish lying man. You come back and post against me cuase of your hatered. That will eat you up man. Stop it. By the mere fact that you cant answer any of the questions I put, speaks for its self, you dont know. You say I always think I am right. Look heres the deal. If me and you were to sit down for say ten minutes we would both come to the conclusion , that I was right. :).
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Ur a nobody who wants to be a somebody. We all know that. Ur trying to hide behind ur wannabe adult talk...
Fact that.
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Man cant you see that you expose your adolesence every time?
Dean Martin. Your nobody until somebody loves you. :) FACT BTW I dont talk to adults like this.
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You don't see lot of things. That's ur problem, dont make it mine.
Have fun in ur own world where ur always right.
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You don't see lot of things. That's ur problem, dont make it mine.
Have fun in ur own world where ur always right.
Ok just explian that for us all eh?
Am gonna go now this is getting old.
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Us all? I knew allready you was crazy, but now ur also a schizo?
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Just for the religious people hanging around in this thread, how do you feel about the Pope?
A person, selected rather randomly (every christian ultimately could become one with luck and extreme dedication) is like, the holiest person on earth and the representative of God? That's one thing that has always bothered me, having enjoyed a catholic upbringing.
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I'm not catholic, for me the pope is holy just as you and me lol.
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you are not prepared to listen and learn because you dont like me or my attitude.
Personally, I'm happy to learn and listen, I just don't see any facts presented from religious people. I have yet to see documentation and proof about a god - any god.
Remember when we used to believe in Zeus/Thor before we understood that lightning is a static charge that is built up and released?
See, the neat thing about science is that while there's plenty of times we're wrong, we're human and it helps us in the process of learning and understanding. You can't do that with religion. It is what it is and you blindly believe in it. With science, you don't have to rely on anyone else or believe, you can follow the scientific approach and reach the same definitive results all want by yourself.
Wasn't this supposed to be about gays & banning Firefox and other silly stuff?
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No-nonsense,
Most things you say is kind of like a horoscope.
I could just as well say exactly the same things about you and it would be exactly as true or untrue as you saying it about someone else.
The same thing you keep saying about others would apply just as well to you.
Most of your posts are saying "What you're saying is untrue. Fact" and if you're done with that, you say how nobody else knows anything. It's just ignorant BS.
I'm sorry for being disrespectful, but the truth sometimes just hurts.
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Remember when we used to believe in Zeus/Thor before we understood that lightning is a static charge that is built up and released?
How dare you insult the mighty Zeus. You probably also believe all the mainstream liberal media lies about the earth being round too. I know a guy who knew a guy, who knew a guy that died falling off the edge of the world on a fishing trip one time. This is serious stuff.
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Mimimi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUeeIjyI7QQ#)
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Hello,
So here is a different slant on the god/goddess/gods/goddesses theory.
If he, she, it, them or they exist, which is the real one or ones?
And don't just say 'god' like an idiot.
Steve
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Hello,
So here is a different slant on the god/goddess/gods/goddesses theory.
If he, she, it, them or they exist, which is the real one or ones?
And don't just say 'god' like an idiot.
Steve
Does it matter for You?
You can only understand when you belive, otherwise it wouldn't make sense or w/e, same with Bible, its a book as any other, but, for those that know God, it becomes life, light and feed for the soul.
It is something that only a few can get and understand, its not up to Me to make mankind belive, things are all there, you can learn by "your self", all you need is faith.
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Hello,
Does it matter for You?
You can only understand when you belive, otherwise it wouldn't make sense or w/e, same with Bible, its a book as any other, but, for those that know God, it becomes life, light and feed for the soul.
It is something that only a few can get and understand, its not up to Me to make mankind belive, things are all there, you can learn by "your self", all you need is faith.
Yes it does actually matter. I have an open mind, not a closed one.
Just because I don't believe in god/goddess/gods/goddesses does not mean I will always be that way.
But, in human history the list of gods/goddesses is almost endless, so which one is correct?
Steve
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For Christian there's only one God, a creature should recognize its creator. That's where faith enters, you just need to seek for it and see the true god. If you seek for a false god/dess sure you will find too.
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Hello,
For Christian there's only one God, a creature should recognize its creator. That's where faith enters, you just need to seek for it and see the true god. If you seek for a false god/dess sure you will find too.
So my mother and father are god?
I am a creature and they created me, but then that is 2 not one, so are they both god or are they a god and goddess?
Faith did not create me, it was the joining of a man and a woman having sexual intercourse.
Steve
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If you wanna know the truth, seek it and learn your self, I'm not up to waste time explaining things that you can't understand atm.
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Hello,
If you wanna know the truth, seek it and learn your self, I'm not up to waste time explaining things that you can't understand atm.
I am seeking the truth by asking questions, the problem is that people can not or will not answer them.
The avoidance of answering questions must mean something.
Steve
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You're asking the wrong person :) . What if you ask someone near you or even God himself? Sure you'll get better results :D .
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Hello,
You're asking the wrong person :) . What if you ask someone near you or even God himself? Sure you'll get better results :D .
I do talk to people near me, even strangers.
You do not know god personally do you, you only know what other have said or written.
Why does everyone say god is a he, why not she, why not no gender?
I have no results to study, or do I mean no proof to study?
I have converted a couple of people away from their beliefs, and have also turn some atheists away and converted them to in to agnostics.
Steve
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Conversion is something you choose, not something that others can imply to you.
I known God well enough to know that he does exist and to recognize him around, God is not an object or a person as you and me, thus only those who want will know him, a christian does not need to talk about him to those that don't wanna hear, recognizing God is also recognizing that you're nothing but a litte dot, just dust, when you realize who's the master, you will start to know him.
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You don't have to 'recognize god' to realize how small you are compared to the universe.
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Us all? I knew allready you was crazy, but now ur also a schizo?
Everyone who read your post ya dunce, Who then would it be.
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Just for the religious people hanging around in this thread, how do you feel about the Pope?
A person, selected rather randomly (every christian ultimately could become one with luck and extreme dedication) is like, the holiest person on earth and the representative of God? That's one thing that has always bothered me, having enjoyed a catholic upbringing.
The pope is no more worthy than any other man,
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Personally, I'm happy to learn and listen, I just don't see any facts presented from religious people. I have yet to see documentation and proof about a god - any god.
Remember when we used to believe in Zeus/Thor before we understood that lightning is a static charge that is built up and released?
See, the neat thing about science is that while there's plenty of times we're wrong, we're human and it helps us in the process of learning and understanding. You can't do that with religion. It is what it is and you blindly believe in it. With science, you don't have to rely on anyone else or believe, you can follow the scientific approach and reach the same definitive results all want by yourself.
Wasn't this supposed to be about gays & banning Firefox and other silly stuff?
Glad to hear you are prepared to L and L cool. It waht I expected of you in the short time we spoke on TS.
I never brought any relgious facts here. So why did you quote me an dsay this. I have not touched on religeon.
You did.
Science is not about religion. So please dont bring religeon to the discussions. I am all for science.
Yes with science you do have to rely on other even for what a real sciebtist wopuld call basic. You BLINDLY put your trust in them, because what they are talmking about is way beyond what we can do. Pat attention to the samall word "DO" Its not the same as understand. You blindly believe that the earth is millions of years old. You blindly believe that we evolved from apes Darwins Theory.
No you cant do what the scientist can do or you would be getting paid to do that. Keep it real now.
I do realise that we can all look at basic science and understand it. I also understand that we can see and learn from others more inteligent than our selves. IF WE ARE PREPARED TO LISTEN.
So thank you for a decent post for discussion.
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No-nonsense,
Most things you say is kind of like a horoscope.
I could just as well say exactly the same things about you and it would be exactly as true or untrue as you saying it about someone else.
The same thing you keep saying about others would apply just as well to you.
Most of your posts are saying "What you're saying is untrue. Fact" and if you're done with that, you say how nobody else knows anything. It's just ignorant BS.
I'm sorry for being disrespectful, but the truth sometimes just hurts.
Really the bottom lines is I can back up what I am saying And thats where the facts come in. FACT.
Its whan you cant back up what your saying, that it is BS.
Dont be sorry you cant offend me. Fact.
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Possessed, you just said there's false gods. What makes yours true? You think others are false but other people feel the same about their god and yours. It's all opinion and belief. None of it is fact.
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So what do we do here spanky just ignore the posts we stuggle to reply to That how your SCIENCE works?
I aslo ask four simple questions that no one has replied to after all the gum bumping about evolution.
whos laughing now.
We had a few failed attempts at the round planets lol. Now that was funny with no back up. To many in here at the gum bumping but cant back it up. So ok, go goggle and copy paste now if you think it will help boys.
But dont copy paste something you havent read and understand. My kids can even do that. But I make them back up all they say. And they do. So where is all the bollies and killamans now. Running to hide Mauahauahauah. :)
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Possessed, you just said there's false gods. What makes yours true? You think others are false but other people feel the same about their god and yours. It's all opinion and belief. None of it is fact.
Facts aren't synonymous of truth, it does depends of the perspective, a true fact for you should'nt be for others.
You'll never get the point, so leave it for those who can understand, you're just acting like fool.
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Hello,
Facts aren't synonymous of truth, it does depends of the perspective, a true fact for you should'nt be for others.
You'll never get the point, so leave it for those who can understand, you're just acting like fool.
This post shows you have no faith, or at least do not understand it.
I have talked to some people for years, they never give up trying to show me the error of my ways. They are more than happy to argue any point I have, the same as I am happy to return the favor.
They understand where I am coming from, they also have resources as do I to keep discussing this for a long time. Argument and counter argument, even though they know I need proof, they expect me to find it one day.
If you had faith you would never give up.
Steve
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So what do we do here spanky just ignore the posts we stuggle to reply to That how your SCIENCE works?
I aslo ask four simple questions that no one has replied to after all the gum bumping about evolution.
whos laughing now.
I didn't see any questions from you. I don't recall we ever spoke on TS either. I haven't been on in ages and even when I was, it wasn't for very long.
I've lost interest in this discussion. It's much like talking with a brick wall, there's no progress. The fact is, you think what you think and I think what I think. The only issue I see is that you're wasting your time believing and worshiping something that doesn't exist. I accept scientific fact and then I don't think about it again until one of these fun discussions comes about. It's not like I spend every day praising Darwin or science or anything like that. When I read an article, I think "oh, that's cool" and go about my day. I'm not wasting any time accepting peer-reviewed research.
Now, if there is a god and I was in the scientific community contributing to research that disproves a god and I get up to the pearly gates, I wasted a good portion of my life didn't I? But, I'm indifferent. I'm not in that community or field. I don't dedicate my life to atheism or religion. I am an atheist but I hardly spend any time thinking about it. If there is a omnipotent, forgiving god and a hell, I don't believe I'd go to hell. I'm a good person - much more so than a large number of "american" "christians". If that god exists and looks at my life and still decides I should go to hell, well, I'll have a ton of friends because there are VAST amounts of people with morals lesser than mine who still believe in that god.
That said, I really wish there was a god. Death sucks.
Beyond that, I don't have any more to contribute to this discussion. Sorry.
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I didn't see any questions from you. I don't recall we ever spoke on TS either. I haven't been on in ages and even when I was, it wasn't for very long.
I've lost interest in this discussion. It's much like talking with a brick wall, there's no progress. The fact is, you think what you think and I think what I think. The only issue I see is that you're wasting your time believing and worshiping something that doesn't exist. I accept scientific fact and then I don't think about it again until one of these fun discussions comes about. It's not like I spend every day praising Darwin or science or anything like that. When I read an article, I think "oh, that's cool" and go about my day. I'm not wasting any time accepting peer-reviewed research.
Now, if there is a god and I was in the scientific community contributing to research that disproves a god and I get up to the pearly gates, I wasted a good portion of my life didn't I? But, I'm indifferent. I'm not in that community or field. I don't dedicate my life to atheism or religion. I am an atheist but I hardly spend any time thinking about it. If there is a omnipotent, forgiving god and a hell, I don't believe I'd go to hell. I'm a good person - much more so than a large number of "american" "christians". If that god exists and looks at my life and still decides I should go to hell, well, I'll have a ton of friends because there are VAST amounts of people with morals lesser than mine who still believe in that god.
That said, I really wish there was a god. Death sucks.
Beyond that, I don't have any more to contribute to this discussion. Sorry.
I think you will find that you did see the questions. Because you made a poor attempt at answering the first one.
So wakey wakey .
There is no progress because you keep telling me about religion and I never once mentioned religion, so i reall dont know why you keep bring it up to me???????
I never said what I believ once where are you getting this shit from??????
So you here read something and think cool. Then you come in here with a half assed explianation about why planets are round. You laughed so much at the question, *that you now deny ever reading) And now all of a sudden you dont want to talk. Lol now I really can laugh. So you and all the other here that had a lot to say to begin with have all been clamped up. Why because you all junped in to quick to a coversation that you heard read about but never really took it seriously. That is not the way to go. So time will tell if yall have learned a lesson. lets wait and see.
As for God If you wish I would like a stab at telling you about my God. That is a lot different from most of what I read in here. And afetr read your last part there a lot of hope for you and everyone else in here. fact.
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Hello,
I really wish there was a god. Death sucks.
Death only suck as we do not know what happens, you never know.
Steve
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Hello,
This post shows you have no faith, or at least do not understand it.
I have talked to some people for years, they never give up trying to show me the error of my ways. They are more than happy to argue any point I have, the same as I am happy to return the favor.
They understand where I am coming from, they also have resources as do I to keep discussing this for a long time. Argument and counter argument, even though they know I need proof, they expect me to find it one day.
If you had faith you would never give up.
Steve
I have enough faith to know that Jesus him self is the Only one that can make you believe in him, but only if you want and let him act., it is an ERROR for anyone to try to convert or make anyone believe in God, his own words say this. Your point is just ridiculous, why do you keep talking about something you dont know, acting like a fool.
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You don't have to 'recognize god' to realize how small you are compared to the universe.
Compared to God, see? You guys can't get it. anyway as No-nonsense well said, it wasn't us that brought God into the discussion .
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fact.
Just to clarify, writing "fact." after a statement doesn't really make it a fact.
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Just to clarify, writing "fact." after a statement doesn't really make it a fact.
A fact is just a point of view, it varies from person to person. Your sentence makes no sense at all.
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fact [fakt]
noun
1.
something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2.
something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3.
a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4.
something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.
5.
Law. . Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence.
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I think you will find that you did see the questions. Because you made a poor attempt at answering the first one.
So wakey wakey .
The confusion comes from your inability to articulate your thoughts and your lack of grammar and spelling.
There is no progress because you keep telling me about religion and I never once mentioned religion, so i reall dont know why you keep bring it up to me???????
You mentioned religion on the page before my first post in this thread. You had already started the discussion before I even saw this thread.
I never said what I believ once where are you getting this shit from??????
It doesn't matter what specific religion you belong to, you talk like you believe in a god (all religions are the same to me) and I'm just replying to that.
As for God If you wish I would like a stab at telling you about my God.
Go for it, nobody is stopping you.
Possessed, if your belief in god is based upon actual experience then I HIGHLY urge you to share it with the world because if it is indeed actual undisputable fact that you can prove, it will literally change the world. It would be the greatest discovery in the history of mankind. However, if it's one of those "I believe it in my heart" cases then, well, it's not really a fact.
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http://aao25.com/forum/the-lounge/stop-mozilla-firefox's-discrimination-against-conservatives/msg71208/#msg71208 (http://aao25.com/forum/the-lounge/stop-mozilla-firefox's-discrimination-against-conservatives/msg71208/#msg71208)
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http://aao25.com/forum/the-lounge/stop-mozilla-firefox's-discrimination-against-conservatives/msg71208/#msg71208 (http://aao25.com/forum/the-lounge/stop-mozilla-firefox's-discrimination-against-conservatives/msg71208/#msg71208)
Exactly why I posted this:
Possessed, if your belief in god is based upon actual experience then I HIGHLY urge you to share it with the world because if it is indeed actual undisputable fact that you can prove, it will literally change the world. It would be the greatest discovery in the history of mankind. However, if it's one of those "I believe it in my heart" cases then, well, it's not really a fact.
You bolded "a truth known by actual experience or observation;" to draw attention to it. I was replying to it.
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So you can conclude that my belief is based upon personal expiriences and observations. hurr durr.
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So you can conclude that my belief is based upon personal expiriences and observations. hurr durr.
Yep, I understand that. Again, if it's fact that can be proven, PLEASE share it with the world. Undisputable proof of god's existence would change the world.
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Ho Ho Ho.
Spanky arguing again Possessed.
(Somewhat) rational admin arguing against the religion-brain-damaged one.
News at 11.
Popcorn opens up.
P.S. I love when Spanky disguises in nice words that he actually thinkgs Possessed is a fucked up religion freak.
Diplomatics <3
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''If there is a God, He will have to beg my forgiveness.'' A phrase that was carved on the walls of a concentration camp cell during WWII by a Jewish prisoner.
I like watching the Christopher Htichens and Richard Dawkins debates about religion and science
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''If there is a God, He will have to beg my forgiveness.'' A phrase that was carved on the walls of a concentration camp cell during WWII by a Jewish prisoner.
I like watching the Christopher Htichens and Richard Dawkins debates about religion and science
Dunno what you are talking about, but I guess it means "religion suxx and it's for idiotz". You're with me?
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Yep, I understand that. Again, if it's fact that can be proven, PLEASE share it with the world. Undisputable proof of god's existence would change the world.
I already did, but you didn't saw, it is not my problem then.
says the polish Cheezy Pizza Lover.
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I already did
Great attitude of someone that has proof of god.
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Great attitude of someone that has proof of god.
Thank you :), I'm not your guide.
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Wouldn't Jesus want you to help others and share things?
Could you imagine if some clever guy figured out how to cure cancer but when asked how, he simply replied 'I already shared, it's not my problem now'.
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Why don't you do it? you seen to know everything.
There are 7 billions of ppl in the world, why do I have to loose time helping you? :)
I couldn't care less fot those full of their selfs.
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why do I have to loose time helping you? :)
Definitely Christ-like. Definitely.
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Definitely Christ-like. Definitely.
Definitely neo-atheist. Thought you could do better than this.
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Hello,
If the existence of god in any form could be proved, I think the world would be a changed place.
If the non-existence of god in any form could be proved, I think the world would be a changed place.
Their would be less death and destruction if either were true.
Steve
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Hello,
If the existence of god in any form could be proved, I think the world would be a changed place.
If the non-existence of god in any form could be proved, I think the world would be a changed place.
Their would be less death and destruction if either were true.
Steve
That's a bit of a fallacy. There is no possible way to prove that something doesn't exist.
I cannot prove that there isn't an invisible ghost pony that follows me around everywhere. It is literally impossible to disprove regardless of how absurd it sounds, just like god. How can you possibly disprove a magical man in the sky? You can't.
In order for society to move forward, we need to only believe in things that can be proven, not things that cannot be disproved.
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Hello,
Time to work for the god squad . . . . I know.
There is no possible way at the moment. As man improves his knowledge and understanding things change.
I can show you how people perceive things change, god becomes a witch and then a hero.
Picture the setting, a nice day walking along a river bank. You see a small child fall in and it drowns before you can rescue it. But you take it to the shore and give it mouth to mouth, hey presto the child lives. This makes you a hero today.
Same scene but 2,000 years ago, everything happens the same, but the people now think you are a god because you can breath life in to a dead child.
Same scene, but only 500 years ago, the people that witness your actions think you are a witch.
This is the same act but interpreted differently, what is not too say that other things have been "twisted" over time.
So god could exist, but not as we now understand, as the truth is not always as it seems.
Steve
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Hello,
Time to work for the god squad . . . . I know.
There is no possible way at the moment. As man improves his knowledge and understanding things change.
I can show you how people perceive things change, god becomes a witch and then a hero.
Picture the setting, a nice day walking along a river bank. You see a small child fall in and it drowns before you can rescue it. But you take it to the shore and give it mouth to mouth, hey presto the child lives. This makes you a hero today.
Same scene but 2,000 years ago, everything happens the same, but the people now think you are a god because you can breath life in to a dead child.
Same scene, but only 500 years ago, the people that witness your actions think you are a witch.
This is the same act but interpreted differently, what is not too say that other things have been "twisted" over time.
So god could exist, but not as we now understand, as the truth is not always as it seems.
Steve
That doesn't seem to address what I was talking about. Yes, popular opinion will change with the times. However, it will still be impossible to disprove god, or anything for that matter, regardless of how many people believe in a god. You simply cannot prove that something doesn't exist. It's a backwards way of thinking. That was my only point. I get what you're saying though.
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Even when looking without the "religious" perspective, your point looks really strange Steve, you're comparing different things at different times.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
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Hello,
Even when looking without the "religious" perspective, your point looks really strange Steve, you're comparing different things at different times.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
The "mouth too mouth" example shows how the same act ( today, 500 and 2,000 years ago ) is interpreted by the knowledge of the day. This is not "popular opinion" this is knowledge.
Who says that we can't know god through knowledge.
Steve
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In order for society to move forward, we need to only believe in things that can be proven, not things that cannot be disproved.
Wise words...
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Definitely neo-atheist. Thought you could do better than this.
I'd be offended if this wasn't a term coined by christians to demonize other people. That in itself is laughable.