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Community => The Lounge => Topic started by: Possessed on Thursday, July 17, 2014, 18:07:14 PM
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3rd WW, Comingo Soon(TM).
http://rt.com/news/173628-malaysian-plane-crash-ukraine/ (http://rt.com/news/173628-malaysian-plane-crash-ukraine/)
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http://www.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi (http://www.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi)
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The plane parts are scattered up to15km around...how could anyone shoot down a plane of the a size of the Boeing 777 by mistake?
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I feel sad, aggressive and completely fucked up thanks to this.
Now I need to miss a really good friend and his girlfriend.
Can't sleep. Im now wandering outside with my thoughts
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very sad
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I feel sad, aggressive and completely fucked up thanks to this.
Now I need to miss a really good friend and his girlfriend.
Can't sleep. Im now wandering outside with my thoughts
Are you friend with the Guy that made a Joke about flying in an airplane from Malaysia Airlines?
I feel more sad about the fact that no one knows what will happen after this, if even more lifes will be wasted on this stupid war.
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What's happening in Ukraine is tragic, especially the passenger plane being shot down. Too many lost lives. Now you've got Ukraine accusing Russia of firing missiles from the border into Ukraine. They also just accused Russia of shooting down one of their fighter jets. I think the scariest part is that nobody but Russia and Ukraine really know what the hell is going on there. Nobody knows who shot down the plane except the party responsible. Hopefully it all comes to an end soon.
However, I definitely believe that there will be no WW3. At least not how people are predicting. Russia isn't stupid enough to attack NATO. It's a war they cannot possibly win. And there is no way in hell that a war weary U.S. and Europe are going to attack Russia. It would be political suicide.
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I'll just leave this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbyZYgSXdyw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbyZYgSXdyw)
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how could anyone shoot down a plane of the a size of the Boeing 777 by mistake?
The plane was shot down by this missile system :
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ausairpower.net%2FPVO-SV%2F9A39M1-Gadfly-TELAR-FInland-1S.jpg&hash=0d32bab8464aa0eb7d45943538484626)
which needs 4 men to be handled. Moreover this is equipped with a performant
radar system capable of making the difference between friend and foe airplanes.
It was intentional, the question is who pushed the button and on whose behalf.
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Are you friend with the Guy that made a Joke about flying in an airplane from Malaysia Airlines?
I feel more sad about the fact that no one knows what will happen after this, if even more lifes will be wasted on this stupid war.
No.
I lost my friend who I grew up with. We lived 17years as neighbors, and now he is gone.
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I'll just leave this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbyZYgSXdyw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbyZYgSXdyw)
That is so fucked up, they can't tell a difference from a enemy aircraft from a cilvillian aircraft? ???
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Killaman, Ukraine doesn't belong to NATO, not for now. Ukraine belongs on food exportation with Europe. NATO sent soldiers only to NATO countries, Baltic countries of fear being attacked by Russia. NATO is in Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Moldova. Europe gives sanctions to Russia but they can't do anything unless Russia attacks one of the allies, but Ukraine is not an allies of NATO so NATO will not defend Ukraine.
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The plane was shot down by this missile system :
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which needs 4 men to be handled. Moreover this is equipped with a performant
radar system capable of making the difference between friend and foe airplanes.
It was intentional, the question is who pushed the button and on whose behalf.
yeah...but i still wonder why they were flying over a warzone.
No.
I lost my friend who I grew up with. We lived 17years as neighbors, and now he is gone.
Aw, mate :/
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They flew over a warzone because going around it costs more kerasine
It's all about the money
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Mijn medeleven naar iedereen hier die een dierbare heeft verloren . En al de mensen die achter gebleven zijn. Ongeloof dat deze stommiteit heeft kunnen gebeuren. R.I.P :mad:
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Killaman, Ukraine doesn't belong to NATO, not for now. Ukraine belongs on food exportation with Europe. NATO sent soldiers only to NATO countries, Baltic countries of fear being attacked by Russia. NATO is in Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Moldova. Europe gives sanctions to Russia but they can't do anything unless Russia attacks one of the allies, but Ukraine is not an allies of NATO so NATO will not defend Ukraine.
He knows this, but the current Ukraine government is friendly with nato so any russian strike against the country will prompt a response from nato. Whether or not nato will defend Ukraine is unclear really, too much is at stake for anyone to jump the gun.
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Killaman, Ukraine doesn't belong to NATO, not for now. Ukraine belongs on food exportation with Europe. NATO sent soldiers only to NATO countries, Baltic countries of fear being attacked by Russia. NATO is in Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Moldova. Europe gives sanctions to Russia but they can't do anything unless Russia attacks one of the allies, but Ukraine is not an allies of NATO so NATO will not defend Ukraine.
I think you missed the point of my post. I was talking about the possibility of WW3 in the last paragraph, not the Ukraine situation. The only way a WW3 could possibly take place would be between Russia and NATO. That's why I believe WW3 will not occur. Russia isn't dumb enough. That was my point.
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Russia isn't dumb enough. That was my point.
Dumb enought to shoot down a fking civilian plane !
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Well, this is no end story, this will never end, each excuse will be accusation.
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It happens when you led growing up kids that think they can handle rockets and think they feel important. Like my text : real war is to a game. For alot its game over, and that for all war's we don't want them.
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Dumb enought to shoot down a fking civilian plane !
Well reports say it wasn't russia themselves but the pro russian rebels that shot it down. Those are just reports though, we really have no idea what actually happened.
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Well reports say it wasn't russia themselves but the pro russian rebels that shot it down. Those are just reports though, we really have no idea what actually happened.
Well it really depends on who you ask, for as much as I've read, either party blames the other.
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Well it really depends on who you ask, for as much as I've read, either party blames the other.
Well the US says they intercepted communications of russia sending the rebels an Anti aircraft system.
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Well the US says they intercepted communications of russia sending the rebels an Anti aircraft system.
The US also said iraq had chemical weapons.
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Dumb enought to shoot Nowadays down a fking civilian plane !
No, brave enough.
Nowadays politics is based mostly on economics and in some countries, religion (well, to be honest religion = untaxed cash... wherever, whenever). Putin sees that UE and the USA have no balls to make serious steps against Russia, so he basically does what he wants.
The US also said iraq had chemical weapons.
True, but on the other side it's pretty obvious that Rebels did not buy this missile launcher on the market in Amsterdam, rather in Moscow. And it's pretty obvious which border it's crossed and where it went back after the plane had been shot down but hey, we're not sure right? ;)
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The US also said iraq had chemical weapons.
I never said it was true (although if I had to bet, I would bet on it being true), I merely said what they stated. If you would refer to my previous post, I said we really have no idea what actually happened.
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I never said it was true (although if I had to bet, I would bet on it being true), I merely said what they stated. If you would refer to my previous post, I said we really have no idea what actually happened.
I'm not saying it is not true, I'm just stating it is not 100% proof.
Although I do think the evidence points a lot towards the seperatists.
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It is deeply upsetting that this conflict has taken with it the lives of the innocent foreign civilians which had nothing to do with the dispute itself, and which could be the cause of someone's political reason.
Also, I just wanted to explain the situation a bit clearer to whomever is interested, than they do in the often biased news. I follow the unrest regularly since combat began in the region of eastern Ukraine, in which I know people and have relatives.
1) Why was the plane flying through a war zone?
Ukraine's air traffic control together with Malaysian airlines agreed on this path to save fuel. It wouldn't have been a bad idea if it wasn't for the fact that Ukraine's military had a plane shot just a few days before, presumably by rebels, who were also believed to have the missile system 'BUK'. So why take such a risk in the first place?
2) Ukraine or Russia?
Many newspapers from the UK claimed that it was the work of Putin on the very first day, before any evidence from an investigation. (http://cs619931.vk.me/v619931145/d55f/Li9p_SlRYMg.jpg (http://cs619931.vk.me/v619931145/d55f/Li9p_SlRYMg.jpg)) This seams like pure propaganda. The phone conversation which Ukraine's security services provided could be real. But nobody knows yet, as voice recording can be fabricated (they do this all the time in movies). It's also strange the fact that the dialog consists of 3 separate conversations.
3) 'BUK' missile system
While the rebels are believed to be in possession of this vehicle, it is not possible to know if it's in working order or not. Besides it requires another vehicle with a target acquisition radar 'TAR' in order to lock onto the target and the rebels don't have it (no evidence yet). But there could be a possibility that Russia's TAR provided this information, but could still be positioned across the border. Again no undeniable evidence yet, but for one, Ukraine definitely has the entire complex.
There is currently no clear details and it might be some time before the responsible are pinpointed. For now lets just wait until further evidence is discovered and a thorough investigation of this horrific tragedy has been conducted. For future, whatever you do don't listen to one news outlet, follow a variety to get the full picture.
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Thanks for posting the info.
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I honestly doubt we will ever know who did it for sure. All evidence is circumstantial and both sides will blame each other for it.
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Its for me clear seperatisten diddent cooperate for 100 % to led the people from countrys that wanne look for solutions who did it. Seperatisten had control over that part land. Alot privit stuf was already gone wallets ,how you say time (whatses),etz.etz.
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Its for me clear seperatisten diddent cooperate for 100 % to led the people from countrys that wanne look for solutions who did it. Seperatisten had control over that part land. Alot privit stuf was already gone wallets ,how you say time (whatses),etz.etz.
I have heard that the OSCE made complaints regarding limited access, damaged and stolen evidence, lack of authority and even drunk rebels. But these accusations so far can only been confirmed by the words from OSCE and news reporters, with no photo or video evidence, that I came across, have been shown to confirm these claims. While they might be truthful, I don't understand how they're a big issue. As many of the bodies have already been transported to their homeland and the black boxes have been sent for an independent examination. As regards the looting that you mentioned, I did see reports mentioning it. The fact is that the rebels aren't your regular army and consist of ordinary people, some on whom may not be moral (which is a sad reality).
You also have to keep in mind that the rebels are fighting a war against Ukraine's army, so they have can only dedicate a small amount to the site. Ukraine's government was asked numerous times to call a ceasefire, in order to conduct the investigation safely, yet they still decided to continue their ATO (anti terrorist operation) as they call it.
Not to point any fingers, but for some reason Kiev (in Ukraine) appears to be intentionally hiding their air traffic control recordings which could actually provide vital clues. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND-4RgakhJw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND-4RgakhJw))