what did killling osama do? do you guys really think he was irreplaceable? in 10 years I have no doubt he became more of a face behind terrorism and not a terrorist leader' as/if his health declined and he became the most wanted man in the western world I doubt he would have remained the king pin, u killed 1 man of a global organisation, its like killing the president... you lose his unique opinion/view but the usa wont crash from itWell they Killed of Rudd (kinda) and we got Julia in Oz and things have been going down ever since. Now Rudd has come back from the dead and there is another show down. I think this time Abbott will be the only one standing. Everyone is expendable.
just a pawn for the New World Order
Nothing that goes on in the world is actually as it seems. Don't trust the media, don't trust the politicians.
OMFG EVERYBODY RUN FOR YOUR LIVES IT'S UTTER CHAOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THE APOCALYPSE IS NEAR. PROTECT THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN!
I sympathize with most middle-eastern leaders who the US doesn't care for mostly because it usually means that they recognize the new world order (like me) and don't approve of it (like me) and usually their outspoken views on Israel ("I fucking hate Israel" - me) cause the media to make them out to be horrible horrible people and soon their citizens are convinced that they are being mistreated and they don't have the freedoms that other countries elsewhere have (no shit they live in the fucking desert how do you make a good living in the fucking desert) and rise up against the leader.I didn't ant to respond seriously to this thread but here it goes.
I don't know the truth to the matters, I shouldn't have said that Gaddafi was a good leader. I should have said that I sympathize with him and find it unfortunate that he was killed.
I don't believe I said that "the US made their citizens hate their government". That is just stupid.What does this line mean then?
Western media isn't controlled by US, same organization that controls western media also controls the US.That's being a little paranoid don't ya think?
I sometimes fear that I'll get kidnapped and sent to Guantanamo. That's a little more paranoid, don'tcha think?Indeed it is. Your point?
You're poking fun at me when I am 100% sure that I am correct and it's kinda frustrating. Somewhere in Israel a Rothschild descendent is sitting on his throne laughing about how he caused the economic fall and turmoil in the world, deviously smiling as he looks toward the future of hand-picked candidates the people had no choice but to elect.:o
<3. I can see AJ has done a some research. You really are my new best friend <3If you call looking into nutjob conspiracy theories to be "research" then OK.
If you call looking into nutjob conspiracy theories to be "research" then OK.
Have you ever tried to debunk this one specifically ? If you do an extensive amount of research in trying to debunk, you would probably find more facts confirming these 'nutjob' theories than disproving anything. (minor example in a case like this: Georgia guide-stones.)If I looked around the internet I bet I could find "proof" that the world is flat. The point is that people can spin facts to make whatever outcome they desire. You believe them because they seem to know more about the subject than you, even when they are making stuff up or making BS connections. In turn, they just successfully tricked you into believing a conspiracy theory.
OHHH THE IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRONYcare to point out said irony? What about saying how conspiracy theories work is ironic?
You're brainwashed.For being skeptical of conspiracy theories? It seems to me like you're the brainwashed one.
If I looked around the internet I bet I could find "proof" that the world is flat. The point is that people can spin facts to make whatever outcome they desire. You believe them because they seem to know more about the subject than you, even when they are making stuff up or making BS connections. In turn, they just successfully tricked you into believing a conspiracy theory.
sorry i just wanted to be clear,i wasnt talking about what people say or do, i was talking about things that actually exist.... no debate, its just there. such as, the Georgia guide stones.OK, and some weird guy could have just built those to get his own beliefs out. How exactly does that prove anything?
OMFG I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU JUST CALLED ME OUT ON SOMETHING THAT I ADDED A DISCLAIMER FOR I BETTER CALL YOU OUT ON THAT TOO BECAUSE THE PROPER WAY TO WIN A DEBATE IS THROUGH ACCUSATION AND BELITTLINGWhy would you post something that doesn't support what you want to say though? Isn't that just a waste of a post? Why post it if it wasn't serious?
You make the incorrect assumption that I see you as foe in this discussion. I don't really support Alex Jones or InfoWars. I don't like to be handfed my beliefs, I like to develop them on my own.Both of us because this is a useless argument. I was posting under the assumption that you knew what they were. I said they proved nothing and I assumed you posted that to try to show me what they proved. Obviously I was wrong.
I myself was unaware of the Georgia Guide Stones and reading the wiki didn't really get me what I wanted to know. I knew that InfoWars would have something to say, so I checked it out. Copy URL, paste URL, submit post... read article, edit in my genuine surprise that it wasn't filled with accusations and suspicion that Alex Jones isn't as trustworthy as most people who listen to his radio show believe. I posted that the article was "pretty useless" to which you responded "nothing was really even in that article". Who's wasting posts now?
I love how my post spawned a rant between AJ and Killaman :) I didn't bother reading pages 2 & 3. I simply just don't care. You can't change government and to get involved in politics is a fools game. How has it improved your life by knowing (or assuming or believing) what goes on in politics and government? I don't watch the news or keep up to date on politics because neither offer any benefit to me. It's all purely depressing and none of it affects me. Sure prices at the store go up and down but so what? It is what it is and again, you can't change it.Not really a rant. No insults were thrown or anything, unless you count calling someone brainwashed to be an insult. Basically all page 3 is so far is a big misunderstanding. :P
It is what it is and again, you can't change it.Not the best mentality. Can't say you're wrong though.
Not the best mentality. Can't say you're wrong though.
OK, and some weird guy could have just built those to get his own beliefs out. How exactly does that prove anything?
You can't change government and to get involved in politics is a fools game. How has it improved your life by knowing (or assuming or believing) what goes on in politics and government? I don't watch the news or keep up to date on politics because neither offer any benefit to me. It's all purely depressing and none of it affects me. Sure prices at the store go up and down but so what? It is what it is and again, you can't change it.
umm and rights being lost, its slow, but its sure...I honestly have no problem with any of that. I have nothing to hide. As far as information, anybody else can steal it quite easily. Google has history of my internet search results.
1st AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF SPEECH
• The Patriot Act broadly expands the official definition of
terrorism, so that many domestic groups that engage in
nonviolent civil disobedience could very well find themselves
labeled as terrorists.
• The Government may now prosecute librarians or keepers
of any other records if they reveal that the government
requested information on their clients or members in the
course of an investigation. It has become a crime for these
individuals to try to safeguard your privacy or to tell you
that you are under investigation.
1st AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION
• Government agents may now monitor the First Amendment protected
activities of religious and political institutions, and
then infiltrate these groups with no suspicion of criminal
activity. This is a return to domestic spying on law-abiding
religious and political groups.
• You may now be the subject of a government investigation
simply because of the political, activist, or advocacy
groups you are involved in, or the statements you make
within these groups.
1st AMENDMENT RIGHT TO ACCESS
GOVERNMENT INFORMATION
• A U.S. Department of Justice directive actively encourages
federal, state, and local officials to resist and/or limit access
to government records through Freedom of Information Act
(FOIA) requests.
• The Government has conducted immigration hearings in
secret behind closed doors. Such proceedings were once
open to the public. Hundreds, if not thousands, of immigrants
have already been deported in secret.
4th AMENDMENT FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE
SEARCHES &SEIZURES
• Law Enforcement authorities may now conduct secret searches and wiretaps in your home or office
without showing “probable cause.†They need only to claim that intelligence gathering is “a significant
purpose†of their intrusion, even when the primary goal is ordinary law enforcement. They may also
monitor where and to whom you send and receive e-mail, or where you go on the Internet, recording
every e-mail address and website you have been in contact with.
• Law Enforcement may now demand any personal records held by any source including your doctor,
employer, accountant, or library. All they have to do is claim that it is related to an investigation into
“terrorism.†The record keepers may not reveal that your records were provided to the government.
• Judicial oversight of secret searches has been effectively minimized. The Patriot Act directs judges to
consent to secret searches based only on the Government’s assertion that a “significant†purpose of
an investigation is gathering information related to “terrorism,†as the government defines it.
Anybody, including american citizens, that are deemed terrorist by the government, can be arrested and prosecuted accordingly, with no right to be heard in court or infront of a judge.That sucks. But again though, I'm not active in politics, I don't run any government hate organizations, I have no reason to be targeted. Chances are highly unlikely that someone like me will be picked up by black vans for terrorist activities.
edit: last quote in previous post had nothing to do with joining the military. lol, i wont either. had to do with being american, upholding your rights so you or your grandchildren can live free and comfortable one day.I know you didn't mention the military at all but to me, it's the same thing. There are those that support it and want to be active in defending it. A lot of people join the military to preserve american rights. Very close together point. I don't bother getting involved in any of it. I'll avoid a semi-long rant on the military for now though.
I'm outnumbered in voicing my opinion thus it's pointless.
soupcakes, I respect your opinions as well and it's nice to have a mellow discussion about this kind of stuff.
I'm not bothered by it because I have nothing to hide. The government knows how much money I make via taxes, the state knows where I live via taxes... There's not much information that's private anyway. It's not no privacy rights. It's not like the government has the power to overlook everything you do and it's not like EVERYBODY's information is being looked up. The more systems you're in, the more your information is out there. It's like I used to say, if you want to be 100% safe on the internet, unplug your computer.
Now, just because I'm not bothered by it doesn't mean I agree with it. But, it falls back on the fact that it would take a lot to effect change. I don't want to spend my life TRYING to get positive (in my mind) change to happen. I have no hope for America's future. I have little hope for the world's future.
About the rocks, I wasn't joking. I seriously think the world's population needs to decline rapidly. I know this is a touchy subject so I'll offer a disclaimer:I would never endanger or cut short someone else's life except in self defense.With that said, I think a lot of people on the planet could be eliminated. It's somewhat hitler-esque but it's true. There's too many stupid wasteful people that are simply a waste of oxygen and resources. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a great specimin for future generations to be built on. Various chronic diseases, cancers and illnesses run in my family's history. It's one reason why I have no desire to have kids. On the other hand though, there's plenty of brilliant minds and healthy (both mentally and physically) gene pools out there that need to be tapped more. The only hope for the future is by getting rid of ignorant, waste-of-good-oxygen, progress-retarding people. I won't make lists because I'm not hitler and I won't ever act on these thoughts, I'm just saying this for the sake of argument.
to vote these changes away u would be asking the government to significantly reduce its power, and the power of law enforcement. Obvious that wont happen if you ask nicely. Same as if you ask them why they think they deserve pay rises, they will laugh at you.
word, understood. glad we could have an interesting convo bout this too... traded shoes for a minute.Haha, thanks :)
with all do respect spanky, im for real lmao.. your fuckin epic sir.
alright, all seriousness. I agree, some(alot) people are definitly waste of skin and space, thats a given. But I think the death penalty for being a douche bag is pretty ice cold... i mean, douche bags have it hard enough, they have to go through their whole life being a douche.... And why would you trust the one that could one determine who is worthy of living and dying? In Hitlers day, it was the jews who were unworthy of air, and the blond hair'd blue eye'd boys worthy of living.... and how could you determine who has the right to live before some are even given a chance, like all the babies and children... not to mention pregnant moms that would have to perish too. And just think about it, if that system was in place thousands of years ago, what great inventors or leaders would of been killed before given a chance? Would we even have the freedoms we do today?I wouldn't want to be the one making the list or deciding. But, neither of us ever said that it had to be this way. We could just implement Chinese law that every couple can only have 1 kid. This would ensure, at least in the modern world, that over time the population would decrease. Granted, we would still have inferior gene pools and stupid people but at least there's less.
And ill admit too, I'm probably not one to make it in the 500 mil either. Plenty of better athletes than me, plenty of smarter people in the world to boot... but your freaken hardcore spanky... you would give up your own life, for somebody else's definition of 'greater good?'...call me selfish, but I personally, couldnt. I love my life, family and fiancee too much... I enjoy living... I would fight to keep what i got, before just give it all up, to anybody.
In the end, dont we all seek the same thing?.... want to spend time with the ones we love, Live comfortable, have some kind of financial security and be free to make your own choices? I wouldnt want to see that taken from anyone.I agree. But I can still live comfortable not knowing what goes on globally or in the world of politics :)