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Community => The Lounge => Topic started by: NoBigDeal on Wednesday, March 09, 2016, 17:06:54 PM
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... any suggestions ... preferably Asus.
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... any suggestions ... preferably Asus.
Are you actually implying you would buy one of these factory pre-assembled systems, or am I wrong? In case you would (little pun there), just note that they often save money on key components as the power supply.
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What do you even mean? Asus what? pre-built desktop? laptop? Also, as pit posted, you said you had water cooling? Which means you build your own PCs? Or were you lying?
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I love asus products specially there motherboards great for over clocking, like there warranty as well, until pushing it's limit and end up frying the board and processor like I've done , but still got brand new replacements =-))
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It's for my son, he want something solid for gaming purpose. I've checked the Net today and come up with something like this - for now:
- Intel® Core™ i7-6700K Processor (8M Cache, up to 4.20 GHz)
- ROG Maximus VIII Formula
- Savage Memory Black - 64GB Kit*(4x16GB) - DDR4 2400MHz Intel XMP CL14 DIMM
- Blu-Ray BW-12B1ST
- need the rest of it. Have no idea for reliable water cooling - there is so many - or chassis.
Any suggestions appreciated.
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It's for my son, he want something solid for gaming purpose. I've checked the Net today and come up with something like this - for now:
- Intel® Core™ i7-6700K Processor (8M Cache, up to 4.20 GHz)
- ROG Maximus VIII Formula
- Savage Memory Black - 64GB Kit*(4x16GB) - DDR4 2400MHz Intel XMP CL14 DIMM
- Blu-Ray BW-12B1ST
- need the rest of it. Have no idea for reliable water cooling - there is so many - or chassis.
Any suggestions appreciated.
lol, 64gb of ram. So you're okay with throwing money out the window?
If that's the case, SLI 2 Titans for the GPU.
Water cooling is a waste if you're not going to do some serious overclocking, but seeing as you're more than happy to waste money on 64gb of ram why the hell not go for liquid cooling?
Something "Solid" would be an i5 CPU, 16gb of ram, and a GTX 960. i7 CPU, 16gb ram, and GTX 970 being "great" and i7, 16gb ram, and GTX 980Ti being "phenomenal".
What you're looking at is straight up "look at me, I have money to waste" overkill.
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4x16 cost not that much: €467
4x4 cost: €125
... so why not? Anyway, I will save €33 in total. If you think otherwise, try to explain ...
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...ah OK, You just do not like me ...
...i7, 16gb ram, and GTX 980Ti being "phenomenal".
Not so 'phenomenal', I FTM have 2xXenon + 48GB RAM + 2xGTX 980Ti - and waiting for new Xenon's based on Skylake and GTX990.
...and saying 'something solid' I mean 'unbreakable' - he likes to break things ... :)
As for the case:
NZXT Source 340
Simple design ... what you guys think?
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4x16 cost not that much: €467
4x4 cost: €125
... so why not? Anyway, I will save €33 in total. If you think otherwise, try to explain ...
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...ah OK, You just do not like me ...
Not so 'phenomenal', I FTM have 2xXenon + 48GB RAM + 2xGTX 980Ti - and waiting for new Xenon's based on Skylake and GTX990.
...and saying 'something solid' I mean 'unbreakable' - he likes to break things ... :)
As for the case:
NZXT Source 340
Simple design ... what you guys think?
1. If you're okay with spending more than 300 more on ram you don't need then go for it. I just think it's a waste. You could funnel that money into a better GPU or something.
2. That setup is phenomenal as it easily maxes anything out on the market. Anything over that is flat out overkill.
3. Ah, I misunderstood what you meant by solid. You're not going to get anything unbreakable. We're talking about PC components here. Aside from the cases, build quality is typically pretty even at the same price level between brands. As for personal experiences, I've had good experiences with ASUS and Gigabyte motherboards and every Gigabyte GPU I've owned has been great. ASUS and Gigabyte are typically all around good brands.
As far as cases go I've always liked Antec and Corsair Cases. Always loved the look of the Corsair 450D for a mid-tower and the 750D for a full tower. They have a lot more expensive cases but I honestly wouldn't spend more than $150 on a PC case.
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...and saying 'something solid' I mean 'unbreakable' - he likes to break things ... :)
As for the case:
NZXT Source 340
Simple design ... what you guys think?
If he likes to break things, you should not let him play on the computer. Besides that, why would you burn money. For the avarage games with avarage settings a pre assembled pc will do. Prolly hè is gonna play minecraft anyway. ;)
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I had more luck with Gigabyte parts rather than Asus ones in the past, but they both will cover their warranty I guess. The case is fine, Antec or LianLi also make good ones. I would choose a Seasonic unit for the psu.
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I see some very interesting suggestions there ... Checked most of it but point is, case needs to be water cooling ready. There will be two: one for CPU and second for MBR and stuff - dimensions depend on the type of chassis.
So:
- Lian-Li PC-18: nice looking, but made of aluminum - always better than plastic. $ 149
- Obsidian 450D: as above plus more flexible if it comes to place the cooling stuff. $ 119
- Obsidian 750D is more interesting, I like it. $ 179
- Carbide Quiet 600Q: I like a lot - has full steel exterior panels, much larger than the others, but more compact, dust filters!. $149 (and price fits below Killas overkill ... :))
Didn't found any Asus made cases, they made exclusively for their own PCs? Of curse there is always ROG, but have so ridiculous shapes ... and prices. So probably we have the winner:
Carbide Quiet 600Q: $149
I think, I will stick with Corsair - unless you guys have something better. I thought to change the memory for Corsair, but the modules with the same parameters as Kinston have worse timings - and more expensive.
LIQUID CPU COOLERS:
- Hydro Series H110i 280mm extreme performance: $ 139
- Hydro Series H90 140mm: $109
There is H110i, H110i GT, H110i GTX - didn't see the difference ... Maybe you guys know some good watercooling stations? once you could buy watercooling with the external heat sink - no fans whatsoever - I have one of those. True is big, but completely silent. Coldn't find ...
AND HDD / SDD:
Kingston Predator (PCI card): Capacities: 120GB, 960GB, Read: up to 1400MB/s, Write: up to 1000MB/s, Features: Marvell 88SS9293 controller - 240GB €212,52
Kingston Savage: Capacities: 120GB, 960GB, Read: up to 560MB/s, Write: up to 530MB/s, Features: Phison S10 controller - 240GB €112,56
As for HDD, I have no idea what nowadays is good ... any suggestions?
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I don't understand why people get so annoyed when someone else waste there money on what they want
Yes 64 gb is overkill for any game but doesn't really matter, got the money to blow it then do it, rather waste money on a computer then let my old ladie spend it ahahahhhh
My shit is a overkill for any game, least It will last couple years, depending if I go over and beyond overclocking it
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This is a awesome case specially for cable management
http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=N82E16811854001 (http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=N82E16811854001)
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Hmm ... Kind of strange shape, but I like it - will see ...
So WICKID, what you have? Don't be shy ... :D
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I don't understand why people get so annoyed when someone else waste there money on what they want
Yes 64 gb is overkill for any game but doesn't really matter, got the money to blow it then do it, rather waste money on a computer then let my old ladie spend it ahahahhhh
My shit is a overkill for any game, least It will last couple years, depending if I go over and beyond overclocking it
People typically don't like to see other people wasting money. The worst part about buying the overkill PC parts now is that they won't last you nearly as long as you'd think because while the power is overkill at the time, the technology quickly becomes outdated. If anything it only pushes your upgrade cycle back a year or 2 at max. When new technology comes out like a new Direct X version or a new/better architecture for a CPU or GPU your overkill rig is going to be about the same as some new mid range hardware. In short, it's not worth the money you pay. Like the suckers that bought the Titan graphics cards only to have the GTX 980Ti outperform it for half the cost not even a year later. You can keep a top of the line gaming rig for much cheaper. Sure you'll have to upgrade it a bit more frequently but you save money doing so and you'll always be able to max anything that comes out.
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I think its more about people dont like to think you have money to waste. Not everyone obviously.
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@Killa: True, but not entirely - in this case probably you have right, but if you will go much further, as I did four years ago it will be at the top much longer - even than four years.
At the time I've paid $3200 for each Xenon, MBR $1200, watercooling station something like $800, RAM don't remember exactly but there is 48GB so it wasn't cheap either - something arund $1500 ... and this is only small part. Point is, that even today (only changed GPUs - three times) 'my babe' is one of most powerful PCs on the world - at least in the first 100. Add to this satisfaction that I've made it myself. Never had problems with it ... super quiet.
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I don't understand why people get so annoyed when someone else waste there money on what they want
Yes 64 gb is overkill for any game but doesn't really matter, got the money to blow it then do it, rather waste money on a computer then let my old ladie spend it ahahahhhh
My shit is a overkill for any game, least It will last couple years, depending if I go over and beyond overclocking it
Well, sometimes buying things that are brand new (as in brand new CPU, brand new GPU, brand new everything) can be a lot more expensive than buying a year old stuff 1 year and then upgrading the next year or 2.
But all in all, if you want the best and are willing to pay for it, who is anyone to blame you? That's how us laymen get the parts for cheap a year later...
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Ideally, you might want to get some sort of 128/256gb ssd for the OS partition and probably an hybrid ssd/mechanical HD for data, games, whatever else. As far as I know, ssd units are not particularly happy with a lot of small entity read/write operations (shortens the unit life). Spanky surely knows about em technical bits far better than me.
And I dont think Asus makes the kind of top quality and feature filled cases you're looking for. It has always been selling convenient products at a decent price (for nearly all of its lineup).
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Thanks Koden, I thought about something similar ... my own HDD setup is:
- SSD 240GB for OS
- SSD 120GB for SWAP and OS stuff
- 4x 500GB for peronal data
... so for this ...
- SSD 240GB for OS
- 2x 500GB for OS SWAP, OS stuff and peronal data
... should be enough. But this is HDD configuration and my question was about 'which one?' Samsung, Intel, Ocz ..? Yeah I know, I could check the Net, but I did this once and regret my decision later. So this time, I ask consumers (you guys) directly: IYO which SSD/HDD mark is the best.
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I never owned an ssd, so I'm not able to recommend one out of my experience...Samsung has always made reliable disks, perhaps there is some difference in performance rather than reliability between manufacturers, but that's all up to how fast you want your disks to be (comparing disks with the same control unit)...maybe if you look at the matter all around you might also want to consider support, and then I bet the biggest makers like Samsung or Intel would offer the best service.
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Really wonder if I can get back windows xp pro, I know I can dl it from pirate bay or some shit like that, but biggest question would I be able to get current drivers for windows xp for my updated components
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Really wonder if I can get back windows xp pro, I know I can dl it from pirate bay or some shit like that, but biggest question would I be able to get current drivers for windows xp for my updated components
Why would you even want XP?
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Thanks Koden, I thought about something similar ... my own HDD setup is:
- SSD 240GB for OS
- SSD 120GB for SWAP and OS stuff
- 4x 500GB for peronal data
... so for this ...
- SSD 240GB for OS
- 2x 500GB for OS SWAP, OS stuff and peronal data
... should be enough. But this is HDD configuration and my question was about 'which one?' Samsung, Intel, Ocz ..? Yeah I know, I could check the Net, but I did this once and regret my decision later. So this time, I ask consumers (you guys) directly: IYO which SSD/HDD mark is the best.
I have 2 Samsung Evo SSDs in my tabletop and a Kingston one in my laptop. Never had any issues with either. I've only had the PC for aroubd 9 months and laptop for a month, though.
I know Spanky was big on Samsung SSDs a few years ago and as far as I've heard they're solid products. Doesn't necessarily mean the rest of them aren't, though.
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Why would you even want XP?
beats having all that un needed bullshit that runs in the background
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beats having all that un needed bullshit that runs in the background
Like what? Do you actually have any problems with what Windows runs? or are you just regurgitating something someone else said? Regardless, have fun with your dead and outdated OS. For someone that sinks a lot of money into PC components you sure are ready to hop on to an OS that won't use them to their full potential. Have fun being 3 DirectX versions behind.
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Have fun being 3 DirectX versions behind.
Humor me ... Imagine, that even now 90% of 3D software is based on DirectX 9c - why, because the license for the newest D3DX versions are too expensive ... and bugged.
@Teddy: thanks for input - I've checked today some different forums and it seams that Kinston is the winner - despite fact, that Intel is about to deploy quit new technology for SSD disk (greater speed and capacity for the same price).
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Humor me ... Imagine, that even now 90% of 3D software is based on DirectX 9c - why, because the license for the newest D3DX versions are too expensive ... and bugged.
New games use new Direct X versions. The same reason you're spending a ton of money on that overkill PC is the same reason you should be using an OS that isn't completely outdated. Also, have you even looked at the games using DX11 and DX12? Hell, there are performance jumps like crazy for DX12, especially for AMD GPUs and DX12 is brand new. Buggy my ass, you just made that up like most of your arguments.
Why even buy all that expensive hardware if you're not going to fully utilize it? DX9, come on now. What a joke.
You guys might as well go for a 32-bit OS as well while you're on your "intentionally gimp my PC" crusade.
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.... you just made that up like most of your arguments.
Ouch, that hurt ..!
His posts have always the same context when something is beyond his comprehension - or simply: he don't understand something.
@Killa: Where is the problem?
I do not suspect that it was this:
.... Why even buy all that expensive hardware if you're not going to fully utilize it?
...because it's obvious, for these 10% - in two years it will be 40 or even 60.
As for this:
.... You guys might as well go for a 32-bit OS as well while you're on your "intentionally gimp my PC" crusade.
You see, Win10 right now is in beta stage (and it is envisaged that did not come off / remain in this stage forever) so is very unstable. Moreover, because for Microsoft it's a One Big Experiment it will be always buggy.
...But you're right, one day we all will have installed Win10 - buggy or not - because MS is forcing us to using it.
There is one big 'Conspiracy Theory' all over - e.g.
I think Microsoft and Intel are deliberately sabotaging new PC builds.
Win 7 would not run correctly on the new build. I could not get updates. The OS was activated. The system was running at hyper speed. Svchost process for Windows Update was over 2GB. Fans spinning, high memory usage and high CPU usage.
Installed Win 10 Pro and the system works fine.
Microsoft is doing everything it can to move users to Win 10.
So as you see I'm just trying to be prepared for this event ...
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I was trying to keep away from posting as I like to be informed more instead of posting things I do not know about.
But I must agree on that point, windows has started a project to put everybody on w10, and it is quite annoying as it is. Windows keeps nagging me that w10 update is ready, you can't just close it from windows update easily.
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I was trying to keep away from posting as I like to be informed more instead of posting things I do not know about.
But I must agree on that point, windows has started a project to put everybody on w10, and it is quite annoying as it is. Windows keeps nagging me that w10 update is ready, you can't just close it from windows update easily.
@ work i heard some1 saying that you can turn off the notifications by some trick. Still havent checked it out
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I was trying to keep away from posting as I like to be informed more instead of posting things I do not know about.
But I must agree on that point, windows has started a project to put everybody on w10, and it is quite annoying as it is. Windows keeps nagging me that w10 update is ready, you can't just close it from windows update easily.
My PC actually automatically updated to Windows 10 from Windows 7 this weekend...
@ work i heard some1 saying that you can turn off the notifications by some trick. Still havent checked it out
One usually stops the notifcations by:
a) killing GWX.exe (GWX = Get Windows 10/x) - short term solution
b) uninstalling the Windows update that it came with and selecting never to reinstall that update
The latter does have a few issues, though. They have rolled out more than 1 different updates that do this and I suppose I must have missed at least one of them (see above).
And I also don't like the idea of automating everything. Sometimes it seems they expect every user to be on a computer for the first time and needs everything to be handled for them.
Don't get me wrong, though, I'll still be more happily on Windows 10 than XP, but I would have preferred to have stayed on 7 (or at least have a choice in the matter).
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My PC actually automatically updated to Windows 10 from Windows 7 this weekend...One usually stops the notifcations by:
a) killing GWX.exe (GWX = Get Windows 10/x) - short term solution
b) uninstalling the Windows update that it came with and selecting never to reinstall that update
The latter does have a few issues, though. They have rolled out more than 1 different updates that do this and I suppose I must have missed at least one of them (see above).
And I also don't like the idea of automating everything. Sometimes it seems they expect every user to be on a computer for the first time and needs everything to be handled for them.
Don't get me wrong, though, I'll still be more happily on Windows 10 than XP, but I would have preferred to have stayed on 7 (or at least have a choice in the matter).
Ah great. Will try it out soon. The man reason I dont want win 10 is because of the pirated software. Km affraid that MS Office or Sony vegas wont work any more. Seldomly update the computer cuz of this.
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Ah great. Will try it out soon. The man reason I dont want win 10 is because of the pirated software. Km affraid that MS Office or Sony vegas wont work any more. Seldomly update the computer cuz of this.
Guess why I'm disappointed my PC updated... just waiting for the "notification" :D
As for the updates, you'd have to google the exact updates to target, don't know them by heart. Also, you need to first uninstall it, restart, then wait for it to pop up on Windows Updates and then choose to hide it permanently (or something like that).
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@ work i heard some1 saying that you can turn off the notifications by some trick. Still havent checked it out
Quotes from some forum (MS btw.):
Q:
I recently upgraded to Windows 10, and have found there is not option to stop automatic downloading of windows updates.
A quick Google search told me that there is basically no way to turn it off, which I cannot believe to be true, as it is surely an important feature to have.
My house unluckily has terrible copper wiring, and my speed is not always the best, and I also have to watch my quota (On/Off peak etc), so hopefully there is a way to turn it off.
A:
So far Microsoft say that only Enterprise users are able to delay updates, but only up to 6 months. Windows 10 Pro users are also able to delay updates, but only for a few weeks, and only delay non-security updates. Windows 10 Home users don't get the chance to delay updates.
If enough users complain to Microsoft, they might change their plans.
A (MS Stuff):
Unfortunately, Windows updates cannot be turned off. However, you may select "notify to schedule restart" option which may help you.
A to above:
No, not helpful. Restarting should always be the user's option. But if updates are downloaded or not MUST also be the user's option. I DO NOT want updates downloaded when I am gaming, streaming content, etc.
Turn this HORRIBLE thing off.
A (many posts later):
There is a way to turn it off, although turning updates off is not recommended:
1.Open Start menu.
2.Search for Services.
3.Open Services, find Background Intelligent Transfer Service (BITS).
4.Right-click, select Properties, then change Startup Type to Disabled. Right click the service and select Stop.
5.Repeat for Windows Update service.
When you decide you want updates, you should do the same steps, except that you want to change Startup Type back to Automatic.
It was very funny reading all these complains ... :D :D :D
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Ouch, that hurt ..!
His posts have always the same context when something is beyond his comprehension - or simply: he don't understand something.
Classic no big deal. Says new Direct X versions are buggy, provides no proof, then says it's "beyond my comprehension" because I called him out on his bullshit. Typically that post would be where one would actually prove their claims, or at least try, but Nope. No Big Deal just avoids it all together. Fascinating. You never have any actual logic to your argument, probably because there is none.
Also, I would love some proof to your Windows 10 in unstable claim. But like always, I don't expect you to actually have anything relevant to say, just some more insults.
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Grow up, you are no more a little kid ... Now you can't expect form the others answers on every your question just because you ask or say so. I gave you direction, follow it, do your homework and learn something by yourself.
BTW: Where are these insults? ...or simply you have no idea what this word mean?
... and don't expect from me to give you on the plate Wiki link to its definition.
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Grow up, you are no more a little kid ... Now you can't expect form the others answers on every your question just because you ask or say so. I gave you direction, follow it, do your homework and learn something by yourself.
BTW: Where are these insults? ...or simply you have no idea what this word mean?
... and don't expect from me to give you on the plate Wiki link to its definition.
On second thought though, you're right. I can't comprehend what you're saying, it's hard to comprehend ridiculous bullshit, and that's all that you post. You post bullshit, and when anyone challenges you, you throw insults instead of actually having a discussion.
Seriously, who starts an argument and then refuses to actually try to prove their side? When you make claims, you have to be able to back them up. That's how the world works. Even trolls try to defend their points with more ridiculous crap, you just resort to insulting my intelligence. You're worse than a troll.
Also, saying someone can't comprehend your post is indeed an insult.
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@Killa: Please delete all your own posts because they are OffTopic, annoying and repetitive.
@Others:
Here is official confirmation made by MS stuff guy:
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The newer PCs that come with preinstalled Win10 have hardware and firmware with which the much older Win7 is not compatible.
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@Killa: Please delete all your own posts because they are OffTopic, annoying and repetitive.
@Others:
Here is official confirmation made by MS stuff guy:
Yet another side-step. Classic.
Also, new hardware runs worse on old operating systems as well as old software. This has literally always happened. Newer hardware is created to take advantage of newer technology, this includes software and operating systems. Have you tried to play SimCity 4 recently? You have to use software rendering because the newer graphics hardware doesn't support it. That is typical.
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Yet another side-step. Classic.
Also, new hardware runs worse on old operating systems as well as old software.
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False ...
Until Win10 all previous has backward-compatibility (the same for CPU) - e.g. DirectX ... 3D application based on DX7 will work without problem in DX11 environment.
If I played ..? Most recently in Trespasser (1998 - I don't expect you to remember it) on my based on Xeons machine - not to mention GPUs, chance were very small for this game to work properly, but you know what? It runs flawlessly. Moreover it's not an exception.
Only games based on UE1 work too fast so they crash at some point, but this engine has build-in microinstruction to slow it down.
Anyways, I see some drastic changes here so I want to thank you guys for the input about PC stuff.
Now is time to go.
Farewell.
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False ...
Until Win10 all previous has backward-compatibility (the same for CPU) - e.g. DirectX ... 3D application based on DX7 will work without problem in DX11 environment.
If I played ..? Most recently in Trespasser (1998 - I don't expect you to remember it) on my based on Xeons machine - not to mention GPUs, chance were very small for this game to work properly, but you know what? It runs flawlessly. Moreover it's not an exception.
Only games based on UE1 work too fast so they crash at some point, but this engine has build-in microinstruction to slow it down.
Anyways, I see some drastic changes here so I want to thank you guys for the input about PC stuff.
Now is time to go.
Farewell.
I don;'t understand your point. AA 2.5 works flawlessly and it used DX8. I was just playing UT 99 with no problems the other day. Also, you can run stuff in compatibility mode with older windows versions. I have yet to run into an older DirectX version software that I couldn't run anymore after my upgrade to Windows 10.