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Please add Creative EAX support
« on: Tuesday, February 04, 2014, 21:52:35 PM »
Hey there mates.

I have a creative sound card, and on windows 7 we need to use creative Alchemy, but it adds a dsound.dll which AA25Assist reports as a Alien file.

Isn't there a way you could add 3D EAX audio support by adding that .dll to the list?
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Re: Please add Creative EAX support
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday, February 04, 2014, 21:55:38 PM »
I missed you guily :) <3


I'm sure it can be done. Even if Assist has to install it by default and MD5 it to make sure it's not something else.
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Re: Please add Creative EAX support
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday, February 04, 2014, 22:25:19 PM »
missed you all too. Sound wars...  :up:. :D

I haven't played any pc game for years already. A friend came here, and I had a very outdated AA25assist (I wanted to show him the game).

Just updated today, saw that now there is trainings ("WOW").


After doing the training fast, joined a server and WTF a map inside hehe :shock:.


I WOULD PAY 50 EUR FOR AA2 WITH NOWADAYS IMPROVED PHYSICS AND GRAPHICS (Hope AA4 ever comes and I hope they make the same as AA2, because AA3 is stupid and clearly made for kids :( ).

ps: Nice work guys  :style: Keep it up!
I'm sure it can be done. Even if Assist has to install it by default and MD5 it to make sure it's not something else.
That's exactly what I was asking.

It adds 3 files. The ".dll", a ".txt" log and a ".ini".

ps: I can upload the .dll and the .ini files if you guys need.
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« Last Edit: Tuesday, February 04, 2014, 22:36:37 PM by guily6669 »

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Re: Please add Creative EAX support
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday, February 04, 2014, 22:39:43 PM »
It shouldn't be a requirement for windows 7.

AA2 doesn't even support it correctly if i remember right, what issues are you having?

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Re: Please add Creative EAX support
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday, February 04, 2014, 22:49:20 PM »
It shouldn't be a requirement for windows 7.

AA2 doesn't even support it correctly if i remember right, what issues are you having?
It's not really an issue... EAX just doesn't work on windows 7.

Creative came around with a solution long time ago, adding "Creative Alchemy" that converts directsound and it can restore EAX sound effects of any older game.


But it adds a .dll and assist just shut down the whole game because the anti-cheat protections kicks in reporting dsound.dll from creative as a alien file.


ps: Activating 3D hardware in-game doesn't make any difference on wind7 because it needs creative .dll to work. And it actually make a whole different sound when it's active (each room sounds really way different from each other).
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Re: Please add Creative EAX support
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 04:09:33 AM »
I WOULD PAY 50 EUR FOR AA2 WITH NOWADAYS IMPROVED PHYSICS AND GRAPHICS (Hope AA4 ever comes and I hope they make the same as AA2, because AA3 is stupid and clearly made for kids :( ).

where have you been all the time guily?
because AA4 is out - to play it, it is more from AA3 then from AA2.

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Re: Please add Creative EAX support
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 07:01:49 AM »
alchemy does nothing, dont even bother

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Re: Please add Creative EAX support
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 09:32:44 AM »
The same sound from XP still exists with AA, X-Fi, and Windows 7. If you have an x-fi and played AA prior to Win 7, you typically had to turn your CMSS-3D to 100% "Surround" when in Entertainment Mode. In Windows 7, turn the CMSS-3D thing all the way to the opposite direction, 0% (Front). The sound should be fixed.

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Re: Please add Creative EAX support
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 10:14:10 AM »
where have you been all the time guily?
because AA4 is out - to play it, it is more from AA3 then from AA2.
What? OMG... Screw them, again same crap. Lost my hope now  :makemyday:.
alchemy does nothing, dont even bother
I'm sure you never tried it then. I tried it and it sounds totally 100% exactly the same as it sound like on Wind XP by hardware + EAX.

Without it, activating 3D, Software, HW+3D, it does the same sound effect without creative alchemy on wind7.

And actually even just the AA main menu alone already sound different with direct sound EAX.

ps: Alchemy only work for creative soundcards with EAX (or probably any other sound card with Creative EAX in it, like my auzentech have).
The same sound from XP still exists with AA, X-Fi, and Windows 7. If you have an x-fi and played AA prior to Win 7, you typically had to turn your CMSS-3D to 100% "Surround" when in Entertainment Mode. In Windows 7, turn the CMSS-3D thing all the way to the opposite direction, 0% (Front). The sound should be fixed.
Newer cards don't support CMSS anymore, and still if the card have not got EAX support it won't ever activate EAX on EAX supported games.

If you go on youtube you will see the difference of EAX. For example in some games you talk with your mic, and your voice on every single room will sound totally different from each other

EAX isn't really much related to 3D, but more with the ambient, making every room to be 100% different from other.

ps: I'm using a crap Creative X-fi Go Pro USB at the moment, because I don't have space for my auzentech X-fi on my board with this bloody crap 3 slot GPU...
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Re: Please add Creative EAX support
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 11:03:12 AM »
I know EAX is the reverberation stuff, but in times before, everyone looked at it as pertaining to the CMSS-3D thing, likely because it was widely suggested to turn on Hardware 3D Audio + EAX in AA. But who in the world wants reverb in AA. Reverb, by its nature washes out sound and makes it smeared. In this game, you wanna be able to hear.

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Re: Please add Creative EAX support
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 11:33:55 AM »
Well... You won't ever have 3D hardware sound on AA under Wind7.

Hardware direct sound are disabled on wind7. With Creative alchemy you can unlock the full quality back.

I just made a video with the difference in sound quality with Hardware sound vs software sound (which is only what you all hear in AA, since you activating hardware in AA it doesn't make a single difference under Wind7 since it doesn't support it).


SEE MY VIDEO:


(WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO IN 1080P)


It's not just reverbs. AA will sound totally different.

Guns sound way more metallic, more crystal clear, and you can clearly hear a lot more frequency range (they go way higher frequency than the original software sound effects). Sound effects have higher quality bit rate.

ps: I'm sure Spanky will hear the difference right away since he is a "sound man"  :D
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Re: Please add Creative EAX support
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 11:41:05 AM »
For me it sounded just like a lot of echos.

But I'm a dimwit when it comes to sound ;)
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Re: Please add Creative EAX support
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 11:50:52 AM »
For me it sounded just like a lot of echos.

But I'm a dimwit when it comes to sound ;)
It's not just echos... (the rooms kinda sound like it would on real life).

But I also don't like much the echos.

However every other sound effect have way higher quality than software audio.

Even in the menu, when you move your mouse into options it makes a higher sample quality effect than without directsound support.


ps: And you can remove the echos and still have all the new higher quality sound effects by just simply chosing Hardware 3D audio instead of hardware + EAX (without creative alchemy you can chose them, but it makes no difference, unless you are playing on wind XP, you need alchemy to have directsound on wind7...).
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Re: Please add Creative EAX support
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 12:33:01 PM »
I can see another sound quality discussion incoming. Btw, did you even notice the difference between some of the rooms inside the building? I mean, the "echos" in the rooms/corridors at the ground floor and the lack of em in that tiny room at the 1st floor. I don't think this game ever fully supported EAX.
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Re: Please add Creative EAX support
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 12:47:50 PM »
America's Army definitely supports EAX. The problem is, the AA devs didn't always implement it or fully use it in all maps. Some maps just have reverb effects set up in some rooms/areas. Pipeline is setup a bit from what I remember.
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