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Title: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: KARI-30 on Tuesday, August 13, 2013, 18:53:01 PM
We would like to invite you all players who are looking for a little more thrill to the Americas Army Operations 2.5 Assist Cup and Ladder. Clans from all over the world are welcome to join. The registration is now open and will be closed on the 23rd of August 2013 21:00 CEST. For the ladder it remains open.

You can register your team on the website:

http://fun-league-community.com (http://fun-league-community.com)

TUTORIAL HOW TO JOIN (http://aao25.com/news-65/cup-and-ladder-registration-open/msg50595/#msg50595)


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The cup is currently being administrated by: [HT]-DoN-@-KeIIo- , [HT]-KARI- , NoG.Bytekillah
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Tuesday, August 13, 2013, 19:15:16 PM
GL HF
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [HT]-d0n-@-KeIIo- on Tuesday, August 13, 2013, 21:24:08 PM
thx very much
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: zoxee on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 00:05:01 AM
GL HF
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 00:33:54 AM
I sincerely wish you guys luck. I checked out the website and was pretty impressed. Hopefully this will bring a few more players into AA.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 04:21:00 AM
I'm going to register for sure. Will get owned for sure, but it will bring some new stuff to my AA experience. Everybody should try it !  :)
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: eqbonus on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 04:31:42 AM
If there is a team which need player pm me.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: KARI-30 on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 04:58:00 AM
Do you want to join the events but dont know how? Follow these steps:

1) Register yourself on the Fun League Community website:

http://fun-league-community.com/index.php?site=register


2) It is necessary to input your battletracker ID into your profile page. Using "edit account" - "Manage Gameaccounts". Insert your Battletracker ID in the Value window. ID can be found in the battletracker link. For example: http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/817703/lordkatar2/ ID=817703 - You insert: 817703

You can also use this direct link:

http://fun-league-community.com/index.php?site=myprofile&action=gameaccounts#


3) If you want to register a team, go to "League" - "My Teams" - "Create Team" or use this link:

http://fun-league-community.com/index.php?site=clans&action=clanadd


4) If you don't want to register a team but you just want to join an existing team go to "League" - "My Teams" - "Join Team" or use this link:

http://fun-league-community.com/index.php?site=clans&action=clanjoin


5) You don't have a team but still want to join? Sign yourself up as free agent and an existing team may pick you up. Go to "League" - "Free Agents" - "Register as Free Agent"


6) If you are a team leader and want to join a cup go to "League" - "Tournaments" - "Signup"


7) If you are a team leader and want to join a ladder go to "League" - "Ladders" - "Signup"


8) Don't forget to read the rules on each event. You can use these direct links:

Cup Rules:
http://fun-league-community.com/index.php?site=cups&action=regeln&cupID=2

Ladder Rules:
http://fun-league-community.com/index.php?site=ladders&action=rules&ID=1


9) Have fun

Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: FLaK on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 05:23:15 AM
Congratz :)

Things things keep AA alive :)

Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: KARI-30 on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 05:51:20 AM
Anyone know the webspell 4 system? We have a bit of trouble setting up the Elo Rating System http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating .

It is based on the system that teams receive points according to their current position in the standings and not fixed points for win / lost / draw.

Can someone help us please?
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Possessed on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 06:03:03 AM
forget Elo rating.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: alechko1 on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 06:17:07 AM
I'm going to register for sure. Will get owned for sure, but it will bring some new stuff to my AA experience. Everybody should try it !  :)

Stop messing around. I saw you play, you are a very good player. At least when it comes to Bridge  :style:
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: KARI-30 on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 06:18:11 AM
forget Elo rating.
What system should be used then?
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 06:18:34 AM
Stop messing around. I saw you play, you are a very good player. At least when it comes to Bridge  :style:

"insert mad comments about bridge crossing here, go ahead pro players :) "
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Possessed on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 06:31:36 AM
What system should be used then?
points :D like in soccer
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 12:03:49 PM
It sure would be nice if more info was given or at least easily found.

What are formats going to be for euro vs na? Other rules?

Gawd that site is hard to navigate and get info lol, such an odd theme / layout
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 12:04:37 PM
How will maps be pick and so on
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: krIz+ on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 12:24:40 PM
yoo ganja do we have a team? and take bonus too he is sick player :P
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 12:26:30 PM
Ugh, hotmail is having issues atm. Wont load junk box, and im assuming activation email is in the junk.

Assuming email is sent to activate account?

Also, when I try to log in it fails, but the font is black on a black background lol. You only see it say Back
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: ibad on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 12:31:26 PM
ohhh I need a team now
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: IGC Wolf^ on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 12:36:10 PM
Good job with the Tournament, should be a better game for everyone with some competition around.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 12:57:18 PM
How are servers and match times going to be selected? Since it appears euro and north american teams are in the same one?.....bad call

Huge time diff, as well as bad pings if playing on a foreign server
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 13:13:46 PM
I sent pm to bonus ;) waiting for reply. basically we could have you, me , flak and bonus. but let's discuss this on ts, if u wanna hop by
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 13:19:36 PM
Bonus is in Croatia now. Dunno when he is back, but I guess he has other plans.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 13:22:45 PM
If there is a team which need player pm me.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: krIz+ on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 13:24:55 PM
any ts info would be appreciated
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 13:26:25 PM
Well Ganja, since his message much things have changed :D
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 13:28:35 PM
any ts info would be appreciated

31.7.56.125:9989 Assist ts ;)
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: bRU$seLs.2004- on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 14:49:45 PM
nice step! I will advertise it on Facebook of AAO2
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [HT]-d0n-@-KeIIo- on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 15:18:42 PM
danke dir
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: nevertalks on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 16:22:44 PM
                                                                             
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2. Have been playing AA in my mothers womb then stopped playing during labour. Started playing again and will play till the day I die. Why? No idea...

3. SF Hospital all the way, also good at other maps but not as fun

4. Look for weak defense spots or weak attack points and will act accordingly

5. Need I say more?


Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: KARI-30 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 04:55:40 AM
-It sure would be nice if more info was given or at least easily found.
-What are formats going to be for euro vs na? Other rules?
-Gawd that site is hard to navigate and get info lol, such an odd theme / layout
-How will maps be pick and so on
-Also, when I try to log in it fails, but the font is black on a black background lol. You only see it say Back
-How are servers and match times going to be selected? Since it appears euro and north american teams are in the same one?.....bad call
-Huge time diff, as well as bad pings if playing on a foreign server


Dave you could have found answers to most of yours questions from the rules I wrote and posted a link in the Tutorial. I assume you didnt bother reading the rules. So specially for you:


Cup Rules:
http://fun-league-community.com/index.php?site=cups&action=regeln&cupID=2

Ladder Rules:
http://fun-league-community.com/index.php?site=ladders&action=rules&ID=1


-What are formats going to be for euro vs na? Other rules?
Rule number 8

-How will maps be pick and so on?
Cup Rules - Rule number 9
Ladder Rules - Rule number 9
(not the same rule)

-Also, when I try to log in it fails, but the font is black on a black background lol. You only see it say Back.
yes that is going to be fixed

-How are servers and match times going to be selected? Since it appears euro and north american teams are in the same one?.....bad call
Rule number 8

I spent many days writing the rules so I hope I have covered all the important areas that were needed.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 11:37:03 AM
Dum rules,

Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [HT]-d0n-@-KeIIo- on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 12:27:54 PM
why what is dum on the rules?
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 12:33:00 PM

Dave you could have found answers to most of yours questions from the rules I wrote and posted a link in the Tutorial. I assume you didnt bother reading the rules. So specially for you:


Cup Rules:
http://fun-league-community.com/index.php?site=cups&action=regeln&cupID=2

Ladder Rules:
http://fun-league-community.com/index.php?site=ladders&action=rules&ID=1


-What are formats going to be for euro vs na? Other rules?
Rule number 8

-How will maps be pick and so on?
Cup Rules - Rule number 9
Ladder Rules - Rule number 9
(not the same rule)

-Also, when I try to log in it fails, but the font is black on a black background lol. You only see it say Back.
yes that is going to be fixed

-How are servers and match times going to be selected? Since it appears euro and north american teams are in the same one?.....bad call
Rule number 8

I spent many days writing the rules so I hope I have covered all the important areas that were needed.

8) It is up to the teams to decide on which server the match is going to be played. If there is not an agreement, the map selected by the Non-European team will be played on an European server and vice-versa. The overtime map is going to be played on the official Cup Server. You may ask the cup staff to prepare an official cup server for the match. The server is located in Central Europe, with low pings and minor lags.


So over time is a euro server? Thats not fair in the slightest. Very big advantage to each euro team getting to play 2 out of 3 matches on euro servers. While all north americans, will at best get 1 game on a na server.

You should really look at dividing NA and euro. It simply will not be fair regardless of what you do, and especially with these current "rules"
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 12:35:15 PM
* euro has big advantage on cup and ladder rules.

Not fair at all. 2/3 matches are played on euro server. Every match that happens between euro and na teams will have advantage to the euro team.

thats bs quite frankly.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 12:44:40 PM
why what is dum on the rules?

Read above. Euro teams have advantage with rule 8.

There are only 2 euro teams ( 3 if you include the turtle one but i assume that was for testing since its old), and 4 na teams registered. Either way, there are more NA than euro yet the rules are still biased toward euro...?

I say separate the 2. Its the only way you can make fair rules, unless you come up with something else.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 12:46:57 PM
I also dont see a single thing regarding match time. I believe there is at very least 6 hour difference between any place in na and Europe, more depending on specific locations of each.

Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: KARI-30 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 12:55:57 PM
Well, we are open to suggestions. If you have any better idea how to solve the overtime question, be my guest and tell me. No reason in raging here. Of course it would be best to play on a server where both teams have equal ping. Maybe some canadian servers could have same pings for EU and NA, I dont know. You can rent some servers and we can try it. We rented european server atm. When there will be more teams we can divide the ladders and cups, but I dont see no point in having 4 US teams in one ladder and 6-7 teams in EU ladder. Better make one big ladder. And the teams can play versus teams they challenge. So you can play only vs US teams if you like and only few times vs EU. That is up to your choice.

According the times its all about communication. Both teams just say the time that is okay for you and try to find an hour which is okay for both. If European teams would start at midnight, US teams would have 6pm. So its doable.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Ganja on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 12:56:43 PM
I think you are just scared to play against me ... :D
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [HT]-d0n-@-KeIIo- on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 12:57:09 PM
if play us team vs eu team the map from us team is to play on eu server. (no home servers)
if play us team vs eu team the map from eu team is to play on us server. (no home servers)

dav3 if you have server with fair pings for us and eu teams pls give me info.
but only to say this and this is bs it is not realy help for no one
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 13:05:49 PM
if play us team vs eu team the map from us team is to play on eu server. (no home servers)
if play us team vs eu team the map from eu team is to play on us server. (no home servers)

dav3 if you have server with fair pings for us and eu teams pls give me info.
but only to say this and this is bs it is not realy help for no one

Servers located in Chicago or where ever our current server is - is the best server I have ever played on.
If some euros can join head hunters server, see what ping you get to it.
What are the names of the euro servers that are being considered?...i can test ping in there but i doubt it will be enjoyable. It is do-able for pubbing but  you need to lead your shot and its simply unfair play, especially when it comes to competition.

I have not been on a single euro server where i get under 150. you try playing on 150+ ping its without a doubt a major disadvantage.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [HT]-d0n-@-KeIIo- on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 13:14:18 PM
dav3 i come from ger berlin i have 1000dsl it is very hard for me to play on us server but for me it is np.
I think there is no server for all of the players has the same ping
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: KARI-30 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 13:15:19 PM
FLC Server 1 - (fun-league-community.com)
FLC Server 2 - (fun-league-community.com)
White text.

(CYBA) CyberTron Army is Canadian server which could be similar to both of us. I see 110-139 pings in assist window.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 13:18:23 PM
That's why I didn't let non EU teams to play in WL. You made a big mistake, now you will face the problems every day, on every step.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: KARI-30 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 13:21:08 PM
That's why I didn't let non EU teams to play in WL. You made a big mistake, now you will face the problems every day, on every step.
Those are problems I am willing to take. We made this for everyone.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 13:23:41 PM
dav3 i come from ger berlin i have 1000dsl it is very hard for me to play on us server but for me it is np.
I think there is no server for all of the players has the same ping

Thats my point. One team will always have a disadvantage and thats why NA and euro should be diff leagues.

Yes, I am in Canada, but i ping fine to USA servers.

Also, you need to join the server to check your ping. Assist does not show correct ping in the browser, at least for me anyway its always 30-40 lower in game.

Check out our }{ead}{unters atlanta server, looks like its on WC atm.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 13:25:26 PM
Those are problems I am willing to take. We made this for everyone.

Easy to say when your not directly effected by those rules biased against you.

Ill check my pings on lunch in an hr or so.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [HT]-d0n-@-KeIIo- on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 13:58:58 PM
we want it for all Nations
and sure are the pings a problem
But it's all just for fun at the scrim play it's not about money or the like.
if the ping problem-is too big for you,then you dont play
again we can't fix server for all players same ping
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Mike Mentzer on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 14:20:50 PM
Thats my point. One team will always have a disadvantage and thats why NA and euro should be diff leagues.

Yes, I am in Canada, but i ping fine to USA servers.

Also, you need to join the server to check your ping. Assist does not show correct ping in the browser, at least for me anyway its always 30-40 lower in game.

Check out our }{ead}{unters atlanta server, looks like its on WC atm.
[/quote

the ping (a) you see on your screen befor you join a server is the real ping i guess.
this ping (a) /4 is the ping (b) your t-m8 see behind your name if you successfully joined your server.
what is the real ping now, wich of this parameters realy counts ?
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Yahoo on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 14:42:29 PM
Dav3 do you really have to bitch on everything, you should be thankfull that the tournament admins are willing to allow US teams playing on a league organized by euro players, cause since i remember it's the first time something like that is made. Now if you want play in this tournament you have to accept the rules otherwise don't play it at all.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 14:49:06 PM
Dav3 do you really have to bitch on everything, you should be thankfull that the tournament admins are willing to allow US teams playing on a league organized by euro players, cause since i remember it's the first time something like that is made. Now if you want play in this tournament you have to accept the rules otherwise don't play it at all.

Why the hostility? Why dont u fk right off, seriously. It isnt advertised as a euro tournament, so why is me pointing out flaws in the rules, giving certain people an advantage an issue with u? Get a life.


Thats my point. One team will always have a disadvantage and thats why NA and euro should be diff leagues.

Yes, I am in Canada, but i ping fine to USA servers.

Also, you need to join the server to check your ping. Assist does not show correct ping in the browser, at least for me anyway its always 30-40 lower in game.

Check out our }{ead}{unters atlanta server, looks like its on WC atm.
[/quote

the ping (a) you see on your screen befor you join a server is the real ping i guess.
this ping (a) /4 is the ping (b) your t-m8 see behind your name if you successfully joined your server.
what is the real ping now, wich of this parameters realy counts ?

AA lists ping /4 for other people. But in f1 your ping is displayed correctly for yourself, and yourself only.

Additionally you can type stat net in console.

And of course x4 opponents ping to get correct real ping.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 14:56:18 PM
we want it for all Nations
and sure are the pings a problem
But it's all just for fun at the scrim play it's not about money or the like.
if the ping problem-is too big for you,then you dont play
again we can't fix server for all players same ping

You should at least factor the scores into the location of the tie breaker, in the event over time is needed.

Team with more rounds won should have the disadvantage of a foreign server.

At least this way there is reasoning other than physical location determining the fairness and location of overtime server.

For example. Eu team vs Na.

1st match on euro, euro wins 10/14

2nd match on Na server, N/a wins 11/14

Total result is NA 15 points, EU 13.

= Overtime played on EU server


Example 2:


na vs euro team

Match 1 : on NA server, Na wins 8/14
Match 2 : on eu server, Eu wins 12/14

totals 18 for EU, 10 NA. Overtime on NA server.




In the event of a total tie - both having equal points, I have no idea.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Ganja on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 15:03:47 PM
Dave are you going to participate if the NA and EU are separated?
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Yahoo on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 15:06:25 PM
Well that's why a mix league was never been done before, it will never be fair. Or you are willing to accept the tournament ping rules or you don't, im sure Kari's just allowing US teams because of the lack of players and clans playing nowadays...
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 15:08:12 PM
I am likely going to participate either way. Im already registered as of yesterday.

I am simply pointing out the obvious disadvantage for NA players tho, in the current format and rules for determining server.

I do think there should be changes. And apparently it makes me a bad person for wanting to make things proper, correct and fair.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 15:09:34 PM
Well that's why a mix league was never been done before, it will never be fair. Or you are willing to accept the tournament ping rules or you don't, im sure Kari's just allowing US teams because of the lack of players and clans playing nowadays...

No kidding captain obvious. Thats why issues are being pointed out, and suggestions being made.
Dur.

Exactly why its being brought up and discussed, then trolls like you chime in adding nothing of value to the conversation.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Yahoo on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 15:24:00 PM
Do you think you are about to do some finding or what? if it was fair to both teams, im sure it would have been done before. You can suggest whatever you want, a mix league will never work.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 15:32:47 PM
Do you think you are about to do some finding or what? if it was fair to both teams, im sure it would have been done before. You can suggest whatever you want, a mix league will never work.

Suggestions have been made, alterations, as well as separating the 2. And others are free to chime in with others.

It can certainly be put together better than it is now.



The useless part is people like you who come in here bashing and contributing absolutely 0 value to the thread.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 15:52:34 PM
Americas against euros would be great, who cares about stupid high ping, its about having fun isn't it, lol

People always crying about high pings
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [HT]-d0n-@-KeIIo- on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 15:54:38 PM
+10
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: nevertalks on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 16:07:01 PM
Americas against euros would be great, who cares about stupid high ping, its about having fun isn't it, lol

People always crying about high pings

So true...

However, I am euro too
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Bart! on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 16:18:31 PM
You should at least factor the scores into the location of the tie breaker, in the event over time is needed.

Team with more rounds won should have the disadvantage of a foreign server.

At least this way there is reasoning other than physical location determining the fairness and location of overtime server.

For example. Eu team vs Na.

1st match on euro, euro wins 10/14

2nd match on Na server, N/a wins 11/14

Total result is NA 15 points, EU 13.

= Overtime played on EU server


Example 2:


na vs euro team

Match 1 : on NA server, Na wins 8/14
Match 2 : on eu server, Eu wins 12/14

totals 18 for EU, 10 NA. Overtime on NA server.




In the event of a total tie - both having equal points, I have no idea.

why would you give a disadvantage to the team who already proved to be able to do  better, that's like giving a handicap because someone is worse in a league. Plain stupid.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 17:12:22 PM
Americas against euros would be great, who cares about stupid high ping, its about having fun isn't it, lol

People always crying about high pings

Alright, how about all games played on NA servers? lol good logic.

Of course its for fun, but as we know, unfairness leads to less fun. People rage with high ping, people rage with hackers.

If the problem can be fixed, fix it! At least try for a solution
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [HT]-d0n-@-KeIIo- on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 18:01:24 PM
so tell me how i can fix the ping problem??
for me i think it is fair for all and if you have good team then you can win on us  server or eu server.
you think it is not fair so dont play and finish.
you talk allways the same bla bla ping bla.
again we can't fix server for all players same ping.
so finish no more ping talk pls my head have 120 ping is not good
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 18:15:56 PM
your broken english is hurting my head
i already gave suggestions. read back
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 20:13:04 PM
so tell me how i can fix the ping problem??


Sent the ship to the middle of Atlantic Ocean, then host there a game server. Pings will be the same for american hamburgers and europeans.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 20:13:40 PM
SEND not SENT. I can't edit FFS.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Possessed on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 20:20:57 PM
a member of an american team said that they wont bother to play in EU servers :)
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 20:25:26 PM
your broken english is hurting my head
i already gave suggestions. read back

dav your wasting your breath here
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Ganja on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 20:59:14 PM
a member of an american team said that they wont bother to play in EU servers :)

jay :) since nsd got hacks it doesn't matter for them .. joke :D
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Yahoo on Friday, August 16, 2013, 00:20:45 AM
Comon guys stop bashing he's making suggestions...
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Bart! on Friday, August 16, 2013, 02:28:59 AM
suggestion: do something yourself, host your own cup. Problem solved
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: zoxee on Friday, August 16, 2013, 03:02:28 AM
Sent the ship to the middle of Atlantic Ocean, then host there a game server. Pings will be the same for american hamburgers and europeans.

Actually that crazy idea crossed my mind 7 years ago. Rent an offshore platform,
pull it somewhere between the EU & the US and launch an hosting company on it
for all games. That could actually become a billion dollar business.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: KARI-30 on Friday, August 16, 2013, 04:16:56 AM
What we can do is:

- Split the positions of Clans in the playoff bracket of the cup. For example teams from NA are in the upper half, EU are in the lower half. So there is only NA vs NA and EU vs EU and the final is going to be NA vs EU.

- If it occurs that there will be a match EU vs NA. Like Dav3 suggested the amount of rounds determine on what server is the overtime going to be played. But not in favour of the team who won less points but in favour of the team who won more rounds. NA 14-10 EU. Gonna be played on NA server. That makes sure clans dont lose rounds on purpose after being ahead like 7-0 and making it 7-5 for better score in the final count.

(Optional)
- Rent a server in Iceland. Who could be geographicly in the middle. Prince Edward Island? Puerto Rico maybe?
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Ganja on Friday, August 16, 2013, 05:31:20 AM
What we can do is:

- Split the positions of Clans in the playoff bracket of the cup. For example teams from NA are in the upper half, EU are in the lower half. So there is only NA vs NA and EU vs EU and the final is going to be NA vs EU.

- If it occurs that there will be a match EU vs NA. Like Dav3 suggested the amount of rounds determine on what server is the overtime going to be played. But not in favour of the team who won less point but in favour of the team who won more rounds. NA 14-10 EU. Gonna be played on NA server. That makes sure clans dont lose rounds on purpose after being ahead like 7-0 and making it 7-5 for better score in the final count.

(Optional)
- Rent a server in Iceland. Who could be geographicly in the middle. Prince Edward Island? Puerto Rico maybe?

Yeah that's quit qood. So you can actually consider 2 winners, but for the fun they will still fight each other. Sound correct
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Friday, August 16, 2013, 08:15:13 AM
What we can do is:



Who could be geographicly in the middle. Prince Edward Island? Puerto Rico maybe?

Titanic.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [HT]-d0n-@-KeIIo- on Friday, August 16, 2013, 09:27:39 AM
jo titi why you talk?
you dont play in cup or ladder and your comments dont help us.
you dont have friends or do you need a little attention?
pls talk to him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4xaHolbtJQ
and have fun :)
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Friday, August 16, 2013, 09:29:59 AM
It isnt only the physical location of servers to keep in mind. Its also how its over all networked to the rest of the world.

For example its hard to say if an iceland server would be any better without actually testing.

North america is so big that if someone is in the middle or west coast it has more network to pass through to get to the east side of the continent then cross the ocean.

Just like people in major cities closer to data centers get much better ping that those that live out of major cities, or cities further from the hosting ./ server and so on.

There are many factors but the basic gyst is due to how the WWW is laid out eruo can get as good a ping to a us server as someone located in a rural location in NA. - as one example



Too many arrogant trolls on these forums, wish the admins would actually moderate what needs moderating, instead of acting like ethugs themselves.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Friday, August 16, 2013, 09:37:39 AM
Kello, are you stupid or just just act stupid? Please try to be smarter than you are, switch on your brain and imagine that the Titanic was not sarcasm but only joke according to previous message with ship case.

Get good please.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: [HT]-d0n-@-KeIIo- on Friday, August 16, 2013, 09:43:33 AM
 :D
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: zoxee on Friday, August 16, 2013, 10:04:24 AM
I think the best solution concerning EU vs US would be to apply Soccer rules.
Go match on a euro server, Back match on a US server, both matches played
with the same maps. And then make the sum-up, including more parameters
into the calculation than only the rounds won, for example for each team the
total number kills and total number of points, to make draws almost impossible.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: zoxee on Friday, August 16, 2013, 10:12:19 AM
Another option would be to play a single match with an increased number of rounds,
let's say for example 20, then play the first ten on a euro server and the rest 10 on
a US server. And in the end apply the kills & points count in case of a perfect draw.
But changing servers in the middle of a match would interrupt the flow, so not really
a good idea, better play 2 separate matches.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Friday, August 16, 2013, 16:46:07 PM
^ Just wana say its nice to see someone actually contribute to a thread / issue instead of being arrogant and bash!
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Dav3 on Friday, August 16, 2013, 17:09:31 PM
Since reading the last critical error thread and posting. Up comes the next question.

If game stability isnt fixed by the time the tourny rolls around....what are the procedures in dealing with the inevitable multiple crashes per match? Admins wont be present to boot idles i dont think? Just discard round? toss a coin?
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: bollie on Friday, August 16, 2013, 19:56:02 PM
Since reading the last critical error thread and posting. Up comes the next question.

If game stability isnt fixed by the time the tourny rolls around....what are the procedures in dealing with the inevitable multiple crashes per match? Admins wont be present to boot idles i dont think? Just discard round? toss a coin?

I hope the CE are fixed around before the start!
But if not i think its a discarded round, same as when u dont spawn. But when u play with so many players... its the question is you even can finish one round without any CE...
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: bollie on Friday, August 16, 2013, 19:57:11 PM
somewhere there should be a / between 2 words, but i cant edit my post :(
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Friday, August 16, 2013, 21:23:11 PM
Alright, how about all games played on NA servers? lol good logic.

Of course its for fun, but as we know, unfairness leads to less fun. People rage with high ping, people rage with hackers.

If the problem can be fixed, fix it! At least try for a solution

it's all about fun nothing more, i play on polish servers german servers all the time, my ping being at 35-40 not hard to kill shit, only server i won't play on is brazil, other then that have fun killing em and bagging the shit out of all my victims  : )
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: zoxee on Friday, August 16, 2013, 21:51:45 PM
What do you guys think about my idea cf. EU vs US ? not good ?
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: KARI-30 on Saturday, August 17, 2013, 03:01:36 AM
Rules 15 and 16 speak pretty clear about CEs. If you get CE before anyone got killed, you discard the round. But if someone already died and one player gets critical, its no discard. Shit happens. Imagine one team kills 3 players, its 4vs1 and the only guy gets critical and requests discard. Then its not fair for the team which already made 3 kills.

 I hope it gets fixed. But i played 2 days ago for 2 hours and got only 1 CE. So lets hope for the best.

Zoxee I think we will apply your suggestions when we play one map tourneys.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: KARI-30 on Sunday, August 18, 2013, 19:45:34 PM
Sitrep:

Due to complaints about the rule number 8 of the cup, it has been changed to the following:

8) It is up to the teams to decide on which server the match is going to be played. If there is not an agreement, the map selected by the Non-European team will be played on an European server and vice-versa. If it occurs that there is a tie after 2 maps, the overtime map is going to be played on the server of the team who won so far more rounds than the enemy. If both teams have won the same amount of rounds the overtime map is going to be played on an official tournament server. You may ask the cup staff to prepare an official cup server for the match. The server is located in Central Europe, with low pings and minor lags.


A ladder ranking system has been developed by myself. It yet needs to be implemented on the website. The point distribution algorythm is not to be released publicly. All I can say about it is, it favours teams on the bottom half of the standings. The top teams will always have someone breathing down their neck. This system makes sure the bottom teams are motivated to play more matches because they can go up the standings pretty fast. It calculates your current position on the standings and the enemy position on the standings + fixed points per win. It is based on the ELO ranking system but modified for our ladder.
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Tuesday, August 20, 2013, 14:12:11 PM
What do you guys think about my idea cf. EU vs US ? not good ?

Would be good to see happen, but unlikely
Title: Re: Cup and Ladder Registration Open
Post by: Ganja on Saturday, October 19, 2013, 09:55:08 AM
What about repairing the ladder system, so the 'challenge' button works ...