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Title: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 02:38:37 AM
Assist was shut down rapidly to avoid system abuse. We are now talking about bringing it back.

I regret to inform you all that Assist has been shut down. I won't go into any details as to why this has happened. I wish I could have provided advanced notice but it was not possible. There are no plans to bring it back but I would not rule out the (remote) possibility of it coming back in the distant future. This forum will be moved to another host and will remain open as a place for discussion only.

a quote from JonnyM, project creator/leader:
Quote from: JonnyM
The Cheat/Hack coders kept pushing us and pushing us and to try and keep on top of things and detect the cheats they were using we had to develop some anti-cheat methods that were possibly crossing some legal boundrys in their usage. We're not really sure without taking legal advice but non of us want to risk getting prosecuted for working for free on a free game so the system has been shutdown.
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Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Bart! on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 02:43:07 AM
Wow, that is pretty sad to hear... I really enjoyed playing lately and got a clanmember back as well.

It's not the money, is it?

in that case we have 2 options: use the website as a place to share server information (maybe a server list somewhere) and play on join by ip on either 2.8.5 or 2.5

Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: NinjaMafia on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 02:43:55 AM
Sad... Just sad...
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 02:45:16 AM
Unfortunately, it's not an issue of money. Right now, I'm going to host this website and then we might use donation money to continue hosting it on a paid plan. I'll be damned if I'll let the site go down.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Mixk on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:07:02 AM
 :crying:
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: SilverBallz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:10:57 AM
This has got to be a joke!
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Froster on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:13:34 AM
Well that was unexpected..so sad about this.
But since you don't want to talk about it,its alright..and i respect on whatever was the reason for doing that.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:19:16 AM
This has got to be a joke!
I wish it were. It's not.

But since you don't want to talk about it,its alright..and i respect on whatever was the reason for doing that.
I'll go far enough to say that it has to do with hackers.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: SilverBallz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:21:47 AM
People  who cheat in the game or people actually hacking the Auth server?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: thefusz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:24:19 AM
I wish it were. It's not.
I'll go far enough to say that it has to do with hackers.

LOL has to do with hackers? What a bullshit exscuse. It's more than that - #1. If it was just hackers you'd tell us, u have 0 problem telling people some shit like that.
#2. What hackers? Parkway Drive? Lol the nsd fellas, i'd say 98% of the assist population is completely legit, prolly even bigger percentage than that.

Sad to see something like this fail, even after all of the money donated for this all because the admin(s) Drama
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: thefusz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:27:35 AM
Nate, stop giving us the bullshit side of the story, and pony up dude. all of us donated payed our money we work hard for to see this go through, we kind of deserve the truth..
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:39:39 AM
oh, come on!!!
this is not true. what can we do to run it again. the only way i would understand that it can not be up and running again would be something about aa4. they don't want us to run aa25, or is it something other?
i would be glad to hear the reason - and there is always a way out of it. so lets talk about that please!
thank you
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: UNATCO on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:42:14 AM
WTF??!! Hackers always've been a plague of this game, but the simple truth is they come & go, without any trace left, cause hacking don't get U a real joy in this game and never will. Only true soldier stays in aao25 and fights with legit, trained skills! And that's who we all (99% of us??) are - the True Soldiers! Hoah & don't give up man!

PS. We can't quit now, after that all work have been done!
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:43:47 AM
Nate, stop giving us the bullshit side of the story, and pony up dude. all of us donated payed our money we work hard for to see this go through, we kind of deserve the truth..

I've told you all that I'm going to. As far as donations go, I don't know how much is currently in the account. We will see what happens with this site and if it has to be moved to paid hosting or not. Refunding donations is a possibility.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: thefusz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:45:40 AM
 you've told us all your going to? tell us the truth? When?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: thefusz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:47:19 AM
Y is NOW a good time to shut AA Assist down, but not a good time to tell us WTF is going on? Why was it shut down?
IDK Y ur ALWAYS like this lol, beating around the bush, fucking tell us, we gave u money to do nothing. We deserve to know
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:50:49 AM
It wasn't a good time, I'll agree with you there. It would have been nice to plan it and alert people but this is what happened. I honestly don't think it's a good idea to talk about it right now. We'll see what the next day or two brings as the other admins and I discuss this.

I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: SilverBallz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:52:59 AM
YOUR ASKING FOR MONEY WHEN ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TURN THE FUCKING AUTHORIZTION SERVER BACK ON. THIS HAS TO TO WITH PIT DOESN'T IT?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: UNATCO on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:53:34 AM
So we can play for a 1 more day or 2 maybe??? Pls auth back up! ;-)
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: SilverBallz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:55:32 AM
 :censored:SOMEONE DESERVES TO GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE. I DON'T KNOW WHO EXACTLY BUT THIS IS INDEED BULL SHIT!
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:56:02 AM
YOUR ASKING FOR MONEY WHEN ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TURN THE FUCKING AUTHORIZTION SERVER BACK ON.
I'm not asking for money to turn the auth server back on. Fact is, it can't be turned on right now. It doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: UNATCO on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:58:44 AM
I played with PIT one time and in a normal game he didn't use hacks, but when he was killed too many times, a childish pride wont give up and he turns his aimbot on... It's not so annoying since we got pb_kick in game, so pls don't give up cause some wanker can't play like an adult!
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: thefusz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 03:59:22 AM
Dude how is right now, not a good time... Lol retarded.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: UNATCO on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 04:04:06 AM
Oh ok so auth servers where hackd... First TS servers now game.... Yea, AlKaida doesn't like to be an US soldier it's a known truth... ;]
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: SilverBallz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 04:08:01 AM
iVE BEEN sitting here trying to remain calm but the the truth is i'm very upset with the fact I may not be able to play with you all any more. I joined 82nd WITH the goal in mind to promote Assist and KEEP AAO 2.5. ALIVE!

Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 04:09:23 AM
TS has gone cuz it was hosted for free lol. auth servers weren't hacked.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 04:09:57 AM
I agree with you Silver. This wasn't a decision that was made by choice. I'd like to see Assist still running in all honesty.

All I can say is be calm and patient. Let's see what the next day or two brings.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: SilverBallz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 04:12:09 AM
I need a beer and a hug :sign_wtf:
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: UNATCO on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 04:14:00 AM
Sry guys it was just sarkazm & some guessing, cause noone tell's us NOTHING here!!! We all must f** guess what the hell happen!
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Rancidly on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 04:21:08 AM
Fix this, or at least tell us the truth.

at the VERY LEAST tell us why you cant tell us. ^_^
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: [seb@s] on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 04:29:31 AM
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Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 04:39:15 AM
we really need some more information about the possiblities.
come on, this is a community and not a single man show.
tell it please.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 04:53:48 AM
Currently, All files including: 7zipped game Files(to download the game) and the Auth server files were erased by Jonny.
the auth machine is down as well. we have the sources but not the 7zipped files, we can even set up the auth/assist again but that depends of getting those 7zipped files and getting Jonny to allow us to use this apps.

Jonny himself choosed to end it that way lol, he went emotional again. we did not knew that he would delete all the stuff.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: SilverBallz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 05:08:13 AM
If you have the sources why not compile them and there would be no need for the zipped binaries Jonny has. Assist was supposed to be an open sourced project from what I understood. Which means we all should have access to the source. We haven't had public access to the source since version 7.12 or something...
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: [HT]-d0n-@-KeIIo- on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 05:10:49 AM
so give other guy all rights and files to bring aao back.
or is pit hack aao again?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 05:11:25 AM
7zipped files I mentonated are the GAME files it self :)
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: SilverBallz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 05:16:21 AM
Everything contained under ArmyOps/ ?
I'm sorry,
I don't understand.
We all have copy of the game files.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: milkmegently on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 05:24:10 AM
Just started playing yesterday after 7 years, and was very pleased with how well the tool works and that there are still full servers with nice ppl, why should you delete files or shut the whole thing down??
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 05:25:56 AM
Everything contained under ArmyOps/ ?
I'm sorry,
I don't understand.
We all have copy of the game files.
I know, I do have them too. unpacked and all thogether :)

we still need Jonny approval etc.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: [HT]-d0n-@-KeIIo- on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 05:27:55 AM
This project has no files.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: noobslayer on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 05:38:09 AM
one word: lol.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Vanoke on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 05:39:22 AM
If you indetifi your self whit this game end you get negatieve feetback
Its possible you get this trobble . Jhonny comon man its just a game we all know that and , you dit go to far in this all . Breat a cupple of time diep and think. 
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: noobslayer on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 05:40:03 AM
Btw I thought Jonny quit his job here, so why the fuck is he messing with assist
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: noobslayer on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 05:41:07 AM
Btw I thought Jonny quit his job here, so why the fuck is he messing with assist.
Honestly the last couple days i've only seen a growing number of players
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Rob_LD on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 05:41:37 AM
This is what happens if you give to much power to an immature pubescent teen.


Quote
(...)he went emotional again
Mentally ill is the term.


Quote
we still need Jonny approval etc.
Isn't the whole project published under Sourceforge?
As far as I know you don't need any permission to use/alter those programs (regarding to the licence terms).
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: ibad on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 05:44:03 AM
Btw I thought Jonny quit his job here, so why the fuck is he messing with assist

His code, & since Assist isn't Open-Source development, I suppose Johnny owns the copyright (For the code he wrote at least)

 
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: SilverBallz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 05:45:12 AM
So Jonny need's aaO...
punch in the face...
a beer...
and a hug?

Jonny bro, where ever you are you can not leave me hanging with a 66 honor! It's cool how you are so passionate about the game and we all know how much time and dedication you put in to bringing the community back. Even if you did leave we are in this together and we are supposed to have each other's  backs.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: ibad on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 05:45:39 AM
His code, & since Assist isn't Open-Source development, I suppose Johnny owns the copyright (For the code he wrote at least)

Also you could look at it this way, gives a chance for someone else to step up and re-code AA 2.5. Im sure homey would still let that person use his API for battletracker.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 05:47:16 AM
This is what happens if you give to much power to an immature pubescent teen.

Mentally ill is the term.

Isn't the whole project published under Sourceforge?
As far as I know you don't need any permission to use/alter those programs (regarding to the licence terms).
You can see part of the source, not that you can rly work on it if the owner doesn't share the complete source there:D

Jonny doesn't want it back, thats why he deleted everything.
25Assist is mainly his own work, some parts of the whole system were build/done by others(You guys have seen it here) etc, he also see some legal issues regarding the "project" or the Assist soft etc, he won't mention any but he doesn't want it back. atm :)

I feel bad for it too, no one here knew that he could come and do it like this;
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 06:09:04 AM
thank you for telling the truth!
now my next question is, what can we do to get Jonny back. i can understand hes emotions and the way of react - not very nice but i understand. so i hope Jonny, that we can all do something about that.
you did such a great job with the current version 7.47. let us participate please with this and tell us what we can do to go on. maybe we will live with some hackers, do not give all your power in that. this community can help itself a bit. admins can kick them or others. let's find us a way out, maybe not with all - but please take the time once more and do discuss this with the other admins.
it is really such a great game - would be more than sad not to play it anymore.
thank you very much. my hope did not die :)
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 06:14:53 AM
there was no discuss, he just went, saw some fact and erased it all. he has no account here anymore(he deleted it as well), hes not open for discussion/suggestion. :( I think i would not talk to him again if hadnt him on insta. msg, and btw it was me who talked to him. he just wants to leave it all behind, he forgot that some ppl have invested in this game as well, he said that it is not worth for ANYONE to have it back...
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 06:19:39 AM
oh, i understand. but there is always a way. i would like to talk to him if possible. if you get any information about how to contact him, please let me know.
there is always a way, beleave it. maybe it will be hard to get that all back, but it is possible for sure. and no one of the community should now talk bs about anything, specialy not about the "father of aa25assist".
thank you
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 06:23:26 AM
Criticism won't get the game back guys.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: RednaS)x( on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 06:24:36 AM
Damn I know my timing ...

Started downloading AA25ASSIST yesterday, played a couple of SF Hospital rounds .. fired it up today and it's down.

Now as I have literally no say in this, I must say that I thoroughly enjoyed playing again!
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: KARI-30 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 06:33:32 AM
Really sad to hear. I hope Jonny will sleep out of his current state and bring the assist back. Imagine all the time that everyone in the admin team had to donate to get this project working. That would be such a waste to let it go to waste. Even if there are only 10 players a day playing it. ITS WORTH IT. Jonny if you are reading this - We all are grateful for what you have done. Don't take it away from us.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: mamerize on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 06:40:20 AM
Now, we all crying... but some people always critics all the time. Less appreciations.
Donate a money & buy it from him...is it possible?. It will become truly community project.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: milkmegently on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 06:42:03 AM
so everything depended on the stuff that was deleted? or is there any other way to be able to play again? could anyone explain to me the way it worked till yesterday? (a link would help aswell) last time i played the army still "hosted" the auth for 2.x
thanks in advance
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: shadi123 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 06:51:52 AM
nooooooooooo this is my fav game i spend half of my life playing this game noway  i'm dreaming right guys plz somebody say that  i'm dreaming  very sad
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: killurcan on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:02:44 AM
Unfortunately, it's not an issue of money. Right now, I'm going to host this website and then we might use donation money to continue hosting it on a paid plan. I'll be damned if I'll let the site go down.
all people want is the truth i was taught never to lie tell us the truth can anyone else take over and manage the aa assist site so we can play surely its not up to one man if you tell us whats happened maybe some of the guys on here can  figure it out there not thick and we deserve the chance absolute disgrace to abandon everyone this way killurcan hoping to kill you all again from tree.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: killurcan on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:04:31 AM
all people want is the truth i was taught never to lie tell us the truth can anyone else take over and manage the aa assist site so we can play surely its not up to one man if you tell us whats happened maybe some of the guys on here can  figure it out there not thick and we deserve the chance absolute disgrace to abandon everyone this way killurcan hoping to kill you all again from tree.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:05:14 AM
this way killurcan hoping to kill you all again from tree.

you made me smile in all this chaos  :up:
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:05:28 AM
I guess you can't edit post on News section, sry killurcan lol.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: killurcan on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:15:21 AM
all people want is the truth i was taught never to lie tell us the truth can anyone else take over and manage the aa assist site so we can play surely its not up to one man if you tell us whats happened maybe some of the guys on here can  figure it out there not thick and we deserve the chance absolute disgrace to abandon everyone this way killurcan hoping to kill you all again from tree.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: noobslayer on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:17:50 AM
all people want is the truth i was taught never to lie tell us the truth can anyone else take over and manage the aa assist site so we can play surely its not up to one man if you tell us whats happened maybe some of the guys on here can  figure it out there not thick and we deserve the chance absolute disgrace to abandon everyone this way killurcan hoping to kill you all again from tree.

After 4 times we get it, also it's horrible to read without interpunction
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Kaz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:22:20 AM
thank you .. ) , helios , phixion & other friends( ..nuff said .
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: dtruesdale on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:37:26 AM
The only AAO that had a linux version and now I have no AAO for now. If it was a legal issue with AA,that can be worked around. If it is all personal why not pass the torch to someone else? As Merlin said there is always a way. Some of us depend on software such as this to play games of this nature. Now I have to go back to the gaming community and report that we don't have AAO after I Just filled everyone in. It was fun almost hitting 23 again. Short run but fun.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:48:18 AM
Quote from: JonnyM
The Cheat/Hack coders kept pushing us and pushing us and to try and keep on top of things and detect the cheats they were using we had to develop some anti-cheat methods that were possibly crossing some legal boundrys in their usage. We're not really sure without taking legal advice but non of us want to risk getting prosecuted for working for free on a free game so the system has been shutdown.

a msg for your guys.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: dtruesdale on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:52:21 AM
a msg for your guys.

Ok so legal, they have abandoned AAO 2 they moved on to 3 and now 4. They make no profit from the game I would almost bet if contacted they would turn it over to the community with no issues. The engine is old and the source is probably intact. Has that ever been approached?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:52:29 AM
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Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Lord-of-War on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:54:26 AM
Hi Guys,

I am very sad  :(  to hear about these recent developments.Is this now really the end?What must we all do at night now?
It is very unfair to let down like 5000 + players who have been very loyal to this game - made friendships and invested
thousands of hours of their spare time to patiently get their honors kills and score improved.

If it is only because someone hacked whatever he hacked or because of personal feelings of the creator of assist25 i think this is very selfish and it doesnt justify the shutdown of the whole program.

I think everyone of us is very grateful of what you have done to get this server up and running and the amount of time you spent for all the updates and improvements.Please don't let us down.

I begg you : give us our life back  :D
We all love this game

Please think it over

Cheers
Lord-of-War  :style:
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:54:58 AM
Ok so legal, they have abandoned AAO 2 they moved on to 3 and now 4. They make no profit from the game I would almost bet if contacted they would turn it over to the community with no issues. The engine is old and the source is probably intact. Has that ever been approached?
you better read and re-read the quote.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Rob_LD on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:55:24 AM
Privacy is the greatest good.
But if you knew about this border, why did you cross it only for some hacking bastards?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:56:26 AM
Thank you guys for the possibility to play this game again after official authorization shut down. It was good time time with my friends.

Respect for you. For your free time spent on this project for free, for Sisyphean task with cheaters.

HOOAH.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:58:21 AM
Ok so legal, they have abandoned AAO 2 they moved on to 3 and now 4. They make no profit from the game I would almost bet if contacted they would turn it over to the community with no issues. The engine is old and the source is probably intact. Has that ever been approached?

The way I understand it, it's not about that kind of 'legal'
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: dtruesdale on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 07:59:50 AM
you better read and re-read the quote.

I did and if you get the source from AA you won't need the hack detection that you think is pushing boundaries. Also if you think companies like Ubisoft and other don't do this, you are wrong. Some simply detect the offending process or file and won't let the executable run. But if source is obtained the problems can fixed internally.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: dtruesdale on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:02:42 AM
The way I understand it, it's not about that kind of 'legal'

I understand that, I  guess everyone things PB doesn't do this......... interesting. The new PB scans the system for known processes and files so how is it any different? Only difference Assist did it. Since Assist is a free program all it needs is a simple Warning with an agree check box to be installed saying this programs does this blah blah blah..... if you agree you can play if not then it won't run.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:05:25 AM
Ok sorry, I didn't see that far ;) Kinda not bad solution, but I personally have no experience (other than my name) about legal or non-legal things
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:05:40 AM
actually the ac did went a bit far when it comes to searching for cheat files on users :D
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: waNted on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:10:09 AM
Sad to hear, but this day had to come sooner or later
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:11:10 AM
Fun while it lasted, aa3 @ aa4 still alive
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: dtruesdale on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:12:07 AM
actually the ac did went a bit far when it comes to searching for cheat files on users :D

Ok then let's discuss acquiring the real source for AAO 2 from AA. so it can be upgraded or talk to the PB guys about maybe updating PB to be used with AAO 2. There are options here.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Yahoo on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:12:44 AM
actually the ac did went a bit far when it comes to searching for cheat files on users :D

Only the naive ones hadn't realize that...
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: waNted on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:13:58 AM
Guess that, if I remember well, some1 already tried to get the pb guys, but they said that the game will not be supported
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Gullix on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:15:35 AM
PLEASE...Need to keep this game alive..:((
(s3xy.L3oN!d@$)
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: noobslayer on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:17:45 AM
actually the ac did went a bit far when it comes to searching for cheat files on users :D

Fortunately for me you didn't find my files :)
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:19:03 AM
Fortunately for me you didn't find my files :)
we didn't even tried LOL :D and we won't if it revive some Year.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: dtruesdale on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:19:48 AM
Then we go after the source code. just so everyone knows PB does this "PunkBuster usually searches for known cheat program signatures as opposed to relying on a heuristic approach." I think they won't support it due to it won't support their new version of PB.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:21:50 AM
Then we go after the source code. just so everyone knows PB does this "PunkBuster usually searches for known cheat program signatures as opposed to relying on a heuristic approach." I think they won't support it due to it won't support their new version of PB.
the game belongs to the Army, the Army doesn't wan't to pay PB to support it anymore and aswell dosn't want AA2 anymore. thats it.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Yahoo on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:23:32 AM
Fortunately for me you didn't find my files :)

Actually they could find whatever they want, whether or not assist files...
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: dtruesdale on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:24:16 AM
the game belongs to the Army, the Army doesn't wan't to pay PB to support it anymore and aswell dosn't want AA2 anymore. thats it.

You ust stated it belongs to the Army, it can't it was payed for using tax payer money so it belongs to the people so it has to be made open to the public that is why it is a free game. SO if you want to attempt to acquire the source code send me a message and we will make a run at it.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:26:24 AM
And now they are gonna put my midget-porn-videos on the internet, great :(
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:26:24 AM
if you can get the source for us to work on it :) go for it ^^
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Pommesmonster on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:26:46 AM
A sad day for the community! The best seems to be to convince Jonny of leaving the hackers what they are: deplorable crooks.
However, lets assess the situation. We have
-   a working front end,
-   a working account database,
what we need is the middleware: an authorisation system.
Is there any documentation of how it worked? If yes, fine. Publish it and someone would rapidly reprogram the middleware. If not, lets analyse the network traffic and figure out what data the client needs. Hard work? Yes! Impossible? No! 
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: bigpappa on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:28:16 AM
 :( hello guys has already happened with the version AA2.8.5 stop to get us going on the new AA3, now is the same thing that we want to move all the AA4 not take into account that there are guys like me who can not afford a computer powerful enough to keep AA4.it is sad game for several years
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Pommesmonster on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:35:41 AM
"WITH GREAT POWER THERE MUST ALSO COME - - GREAT RESPONSIBILITY! "

This also applies to gifted coders!

What ist the weight of 20 cheaters in comparison to 4000 players who enjoy the real challenge?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: milkmegently on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:40:00 AM
"WITH GREAT POWER THERE MUST ALSO COME - - GREAT RESPONSIBILITY! "

This also applies to gifted coders!

What ist the weight of 20 cheaters in comparison to 4000 players who enjoy the real challenge?
:up:
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: noobslayer on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:45:29 AM
Actually they could find whatever they want, whether or not assist files...

I know it, it was only a joke tho.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: waNted on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:47:51 AM
"WITH GREAT POWER THERE MUST ALSO COME - - GREAT RESPONSIBILITY! "

This also applies to gifted coders!

What ist the weight of 20 cheaters in comparison to 4000 players who enjoy the real challenge?
4000 players? guess you need to remove one zero and divide in half
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:51:38 AM
4000 players? guess you need to remove one zero and divide in half

Wanted you'd be surprised to see the weekly amount of players
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: 12ampage on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:51:56 AM
You ust stated it belongs to the Army, it can't it was payed for using tax payer money so it belongs to the people so it has to be made open to the public that is why it is a free game. SO if you want to attempt to acquire the source code send me a message and we will make a run at it.

That topic was recently explored and there is just about no chance of getting the source code.
http://forum.americasarmy.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9084&hilit=source+code

An important excerpt from the thread:
Quote from: [Dev
Lawgiver]I'm uncomfortable with all this talk about forking...

But seriously, we appreciate your interests but the AA source won't be released as open source because of our agreements with Epic Games. They own the intellectual property to their game engine and we just license it.

AA2 is created using the base Unreal Engine 2 but the source code is intermingled and there is no viable way to separate the two.

I know this is not the answer you were looking for but Hopefully some good news is the new release of AA Proving Grounds provides modes of play where we bring back some of the old game characteristics and favorite maps. Come give it a try and check out a Hard Core map. You can download it free on Steam at

http://store.steampowered.com/app/203290/

Look for me out there

Law
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: dtruesdale on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:58:52 AM
That topic was recently explored and there is just about no chance of getting the source code.
http://forum.americasarmy.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9084&hilit=source+code

An important excerpt from the thread:

Let me give it to you this way, US Tax payer money paid for this so it does not belong to the army or Epic.

17 USC § 105 - Subject matter of copyright: United States Government works
Copyright protection under this title is not available for any work of the United States Government, but the United States Government is not precluded from receiving and holding copyrights transferred to it by assignment, bequest, or otherwise.

Epic screwed itself when entering the deal with the government/military. It's the law not their choice.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:01:42 AM
US doesnt care about Law, as they go and Spy w/e country they want.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: waNted on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:05:49 AM
Wanted you'd be surprised to see the weekly amount of players
It's more then 2 months that 200 players aren't online at the same time, don't get me wrong, I loved this game, but I guess it's just time to move on
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:10:36 AM
There are still more than thousand players playing this game, but not at the same time.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: milkmegently on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:13:08 AM
this whole thing just has to be some weird kind of joke :? :? :? :? :? :?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:15:40 AM
I guess in the end the piece of shit douchebag pit23 got what he wanted
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:15:59 AM
So one of the admins went behind the back of everyone and installed a trojan to find hackers?

Who was the admin?

Major lines crossed. I mean granted I could see MAJOR faults in the way assist was run but I didnt think it would go this far.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: KARI-30 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:17:51 AM
Now its the right time to post Pit-23's phone number and address.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: 12ampage on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:18:30 AM
Let me give it to you this way, US Tax payer money paid for this so it does not belong to the army or Epic.

17 USC § 105 - Subject matter of copyright: United States Government works
Copyright protection under this title is not available for any work of the United States Government, but the United States Government is not precluded from receiving and holding copyrights transferred to it by assignment, bequest, or otherwise.

Epic screwed itself when entering the deal with the government/military. It's the law not their choice.

I have no legal background and would love to see AA2 source made available.  That said here is another argument pulled from that same thread:
17 USC § 105 applies to Government works but probably not to Military and Military subcontracts.

The way I see it, they aren't going to just give away the source code.  If someone wants it they would have to spend the time/money and go through lawyers to attempt to get it released.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: dtruesdale on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:19:18 AM
US doesnt care about Law, as they go and Spy w/e country they want.

So basically you have given up. Any ace you have isn't an Ace it's a joker as you see it. I was involved in buying a game a long time ago, it was Front Page Sports Football 98 ( The Franchise ) we spent 6 months on the project signed NDA's and raised of 2.3 million in capital only to have EA walk in and buy it all. It is what you call Madden today. They took Dynamix FPSF and made it Madden. I liked it as FPSF, I don't care for Madden. I still have FPSF and still play it. May not look as nice and real as Madden but it plays. I can also say we made the attempt. Can you?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: dtruesdale on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:20:41 AM
I have no legal background and would love to see AA2 source made available.  That said here is another argument pulled from that same thread:
17 USC § 105 applies to Government works but probably not to Military and Military subcontracts.

The way I see it, they aren't going to just give away the source code.  If someone wants it they would have to spend the time/money and go through lawyers to attempt to get it released.

Subcontractors fall under the same rules, unless the project is deemed classified/Top Secret. Then you will not see it for 60 years or better.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: alechko1 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:21:01 AM
Now its the right time to post Pit-23's phone number and address.

I guess in the end the piece of shit douchebag pit23 got what he wanted

Not sure what this whole thing has to with Pit... Wasn't Johnny just rage quit? Was it because of Pit?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:21:29 AM
So one of the admins went behind the back of everyone and installed a trojan to find hackers?

Who was the admin?

Major lines crossed. I mean granted I could see MAJOR faults in the way assist was run but I didnt think it would go this far.





Now its the right time to post Pit-23's phone number and address.

was it indeed pit23? Or were others involved?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:23:34 AM
i have a wish. can you please make a step back for 24 hours.
do not see the program code, do not say "game over", just wait and do not disturb more please.
sometimes it needs really only a deep breathe and the world turns again.
thank you all - and maybe if someone gets some news about aa2, he will post it in here.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:23:51 AM
If the above is correct Johnny made the wrong choice. In deleting all the files and what not he is basically erasing evidence if they take this to legal action. Im no lawyer, but if this does indeed step on legal toes ( from Johhnys response I assume so ) he sure didnt go about things the right way.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:28:26 AM
Pit has to do with Jonny's ragequit as he's constantly trying to hack the game. But he's not the main reason, as it is explained in here ...
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: UNATCO on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:28:36 AM
Maybe the real game source-code was actually /like somebody suspected it years ago/ a spyware software in the first place...  That's why US Government will never relive the source to community...
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Yahoo on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:31:05 AM
was it indeed pit23? Or were others involved?

For once Pit had nothing to do with the "privacy issue", at least directly.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:33:23 AM
The community deserves to know the whole truth.

Especially those who donated.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: -Diesel.iNv- on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:41:19 AM
Someone should grow a sack and tell their community whats really happening.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: raw on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:47:35 AM
AA4 -> see you there.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: -Diesel.iNv- on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:48:01 AM
You guys did, illegally, go into darkjello's computer.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Darkjello769 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:49:01 AM
You guys did, illegally, go into darkjello's computer.

For the record I never made a threat of legal action.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:49:59 AM
For once Pit had nothing to do with the "privacy issue", at least directly.

What I meant he got what he wanted in the end, game over for all that enjoyed the game, the piece of shit pit still spoiled the game for us, Jonny more likely got tired of pits bullshit, why else would Johnny do this/???
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:50:31 AM
You guys did, illegally, go into darkjello's computer.

LOL
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: dtruesdale on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:51:16 AM
No they didn't go into anything. You obviously know nothing about how detection works. If you think that then you need to sue PB. They do the same thing. You even agreed to it when you installed the game to allow them or you don't play the game.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: denial. on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:54:40 AM
If you leave me now, you'll take away the biggest part of me
Uh uh uh uh no baby please don't go
And if you leave me now, you'll take away the very heart of me
Uh uh uh uh no baby please don't go
Uh uh uh uh girl I just want you to stay
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: alechko1 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:55:29 AM
If you leave me now, you'll take away the biggest part of me
Uh uh uh uh no baby please don't go
And if you leave me now, you'll take away the very heart of me
Uh uh uh uh no baby please don't go
Uh uh uh uh girl I just want you to stay

You're in denial
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: butters on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:56:10 AM
so you're shutting down AA25 cause of hackers? lmao , literally
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Darkjello769 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:56:37 AM
No they didn't go into anything. You obviously know nothing about how detection works.

Actually they did lol. There new ac allowed them to backdoor into your computer and search around for any hacks you may have.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:56:40 AM
Jonny just made a step that was wrong, project can continue without that addition and go cristal clear with its users, but 1st Jonny need to allow us to continue :)
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: denial. on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:58:41 AM
You're in denial

Surprisingly enough I'm not in denial. This car crash of a game has finally bitten the dust!
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:58:46 AM
No they didn't go into anything. You obviously know nothing about how detection works. If you think that then you need to sue PB. They do the same thing. You even agreed to it when you installed the game to allow them or you don't play the game.


So if they did nothing wrong, why shut it down? slightly contradictory
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:00:33 AM
Jonny just made a step that was wrong, project can continue without that addition and go cristal clear with its users, but 1st Jonny need to allow us to continue :)
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: denial. on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:02:01 AM


If Jonny comes anywhere near this forum ever again I'm going to sue his ass for every penny he owns!
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:04:01 AM
actually things might change, I can't promise anything cuz it doesn't depends of Me, but if this go ahead, you guys will see the things well explained, no place for mistakes, no borders getting crossed;
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:06:00 AM
Jonny just made a step that was wrong, project can continue without that addition and go cristal clear with its users, but 1st Jonny need to allow us to continue :)

and what if you say at program start (as someone else already did say) something like this:

this program will look at this computer for unauthorized cheats for aa2. to continue, you may have to allow this. yes / no

that's all i guess.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: -Diesel.iNv- on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:07:16 AM
you guys should just fess up and say why the game is being shut down.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:09:01 AM
Sadly this is FAR from the 1st time a situation hasn't been handled properly with assist.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: KARI-30 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:09:27 AM
If Jonny comes anywhere near this forum ever again I'm going to sue his ass for every penny he owns!
Chill, you are not helping at all.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:09:35 AM
you guys should just fess up and say why the game is being shut down.
it was already been said here lol....
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:10:32 AM
it was already been said here lol....

Only because others have stated it. It should all be easily visible in the 1st post, not making people troll through 10 + pages to put things together
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: -Diesel.iNv- on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:10:59 AM
so it was for illegally searching peoples pc's for hacks?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:11:25 AM
Only because others have stated it. It should all be easily visible in the 1st post, not making people troll through 10 + pages to put things together
I can only Speak for my self or eventually Quote someone when requested.

so it was for illegally searching peoples pc's for hacks?
if that is what you read... then..
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: denial. on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:12:32 AM
Chill, you are not helping at all.

Ima sue you now!

hahah nah I'm sorry I'm just bored I might not sue anyone today.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: dtruesdale on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:12:58 AM
Jonny just made a step that was wrong, project can continue without that addition and go cristal clear with its users, but 1st Jonny need to allow us to continue :)

http://youtu.be/dsx2vdn7gpY
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:14:04 AM
http://youtu.be/dsx2vdn7gpY
no.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:14:13 AM
so it was for illegally searching peoples pc's for hacks?

Read back a few pages.

From what I gather is a trojan was in one of the last few updates. So they essentially had access to your entire computer, everyone who had that update / version. It appears they claim the intention to find hack files on peoples comp.

Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:15:12 AM
Read back a few pages.

From what I gather is a trojan was in one of the last few updates. So they essentially had access to your entire computer, everyone who had that update / version. It appears they claim the intention to find hack files on peoples comp.
a Trojan won't shut down :) trojan is something that fucks up ur PC and steal ur Bank info :D
I've messed with trojans when I was a kid lol and i've had some infecting my PC:(
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:16:28 AM
a Trojan won't shut down :)

what does that even mean, wont shut down?

So everyones comp is still infected? Is it some "custom trojan" Or a known one that most AV's should pick up?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: -Diesel.iNv- on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:17:42 AM
Illegally hacking into donating players property. Good one guys :up:
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:18:53 AM
a Trojan won't shut down :) trojan is something that fucks up ur PC and steal ur Bank info :D
I've messed with trojans when I was a kid lol and i've had some infecting my PC:(

what does that even mean, wont shut down?

So everyones comp is still infected? Is it some "custom trojan" Or a known one that most AV's should pick up?


All of these questions and more should be made known, and EASILY known to everyone.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:20:54 AM

All of these questions and more should be made known, and EASILY known to everyone.
Asisst isn't a Trojan nor has a Trojan on it(even with past report, wich was a false positive and no AV would remove a real treat.)
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: -Diesel.iNv- on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:21:32 AM
Better yet, how do I make sure this fucking trojan is off my computer.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Darkjello769 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:21:35 AM
Yes... with the new assists anti cheat as i have stated twice now. They illegal got into your computer and was able to search through it looking for anything they wanted. Which is illegal obviously. This is why johnny deleted everything to get rid of the evidence and left. What im saying should have been the start of this whole topic. This is what should have been said so you could have saved 11+ pages of bullshit.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Yahoo on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:21:42 AM
Dav3 are you really that naive?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:22:40 AM
Asisst isn't a Trojan nor has a Trojan on it(even with past report, wich was a false positive and no AV would remove a real treat.)

So quit beating around the bush. Seriously.

Is trojan maybe too technical or not a 100% spot on definition? Maybe you "enabled the ability to view and access peoples computer similar but not the exact same as a trojan?"
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:24:07 AM
Yes... with the new assists anti cheat as i have stated twice now. They illegal got into your computer and was able to search through it looking for anything they wanted. Which is illegal obviously. This is why johnny deleted everything to get rid of the evidence and left. What im saying should have been the start of this whole topic. This is what should have been said so you could have saved 11+ pages of bullshit.

Exactly, dragging this on. Beating around the bush. Saying "no" to this n that. Truly frustrating
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:26:28 AM
Yes... with the new assists anti cheat as i have stated twice now. They illegal got into your computer and was able to search through it looking for anything they wanted. Which is illegal obviously. This is why johnny deleted everything to get rid of the evidence and left. What im saying should have been the start of this whole topic. This is what should have been said so you could have saved 11+ pages of bullshit.
When you download and use a software despite of TOS, you're responsable. as well the soft maker.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: dtruesdale on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:27:03 AM
http://youtu.be/dsx2vdn7gpY
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Darkjello769 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:28:27 AM
When you download and use a software despite of TOS, you're responsable. as well the soft maker.

Oh, so im responsible for not being aware that someone has illegally backdoored into my pc making available my financial statements/passwords. Anything else stupid that you want to say?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: -Diesel.iNv- on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:30:07 AM
When you download and use a software despite of TOS, you're responsable. as well the soft maker.

absolutely not true.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Goat on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:30:55 AM
I have analyzed the one of the latest builds of 25Assist and it indeed contains backdoor code/functionality. Whatever JonnyM's reasons are, this is not tolerable in the slightest as it represents an abuse of trust towards the users. Installing malware on the machines of users is by no means a solution and is punishable by international cyber-law.
Seeing as the admins have now also openly admitted to it on the forums, there is absolutely no doubt about what he has done, strengthened furthermore by the fact that he erased everything in an attempt to hide the evidence. Too bad that many of us still have 25Assist builds, and I personally have at least the latest 4-5.

If anyone wants to take action against him, you can file a complaint at http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx and provide them with all the necessary proof (forums logs/screens, assist builds since they will be analyzing them themselves...)

If you want to know more about it:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/telecom/computer-hacking-and-unauthorized-access-laws.aspx

a Trojan won't shut down :) trojan is something that fucks up ur PC and steal ur Bank info :D
I've messed with trojans when I was a kid lol and i've had some infecting my PC:(

When you download and use a software despite of TOS, you're responsable. as well the soft maker.

Trojan or not, it allowed him to gain unauthorized access to the PCs of users without their consent, and thus acted like a trojan. You might want to read more about the definition, both historical and legal. The ToS wont protect you, as it is not above the law, and what you did clearly breaks it.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:32:06 AM
Oh, so im responsible for not being aware that someone has illegally backdoored into my pc making available my financial statements/passwords. Anything else stupid that you want to say?
you better guard your financial info better :)
don't worry, I will not use my new International Credit Card.  :P
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Darkjello769 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:34:04 AM
you better guard your financial info better :)
don't worry, I will not use my new International Credit Card.  :P

My best anti virus is myself. I dont download anything i seem as potentionaly harmful to my computer or info. Assist should never EVER had the power to gain access to my computer file information ESPECIALLY without my knowledge. I would have uninstalled assist a long time ago.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:34:27 AM
how stupid are you, he deleted things so they could not be used anymore, not to hide anything.
it was his decission to add such thing and his decision to terminate it.

last idc about it all, I just want the game back. and looks who talks abou Law, the guy that DDoS web servers, breaks game EULAs and lots of laws aswell :) you'r dirty as Jonny could be MrEpicGoat
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: -Diesel.iNv- on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:38:13 AM
how stupid are you, he deleted things so they could not be used anymore, not to hide anything.
it was his decission to add such thing and his decision to terminate it.

So if i kill a man with a gun and then dispose of that gun. I could say that I wasnt destroying evidence, I just didnt want it to be used anymore.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Darkjello769 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:38:35 AM
how stupid are you, he deleted things so they could not be used anymore, not to hide anything.
it was his decission to add such thing and his decision to terminate it.

Im not stupid. I knew what the game was the moment my information was obtained. If you had any brains and really think that days upon months of coding could be deleted so quickly because he didnt have to hide anything is pure stupidity.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:39:14 AM
Better yet, how do I make sure this fucking trojan is off my computer.

Lol u that stupid? If you're so worried about a stupid Trojan, wipe you're fucking hard drive clean dummie
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:39:38 AM
So if i kill a man with a gun and then dispose of that gun. I could say that I wasnt destroying evidence, I just didnt want it to be used anymore.
can you make a backup of a Gun ? i guess not, do not compare virtual things to real material things. if someone look for, every files can be found, that's what I meant.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:40:31 AM
Possessed is acting like a fool and making things worse. Are all admins trolls or what? Seriously.

I have analyzed the one of the latest builds of 25Assist and it indeed contains backdoor code/functionality. Whatever JonnyM's reasons are, this is not tolerable in the slightest as it represents an abuse of trust towards the users. Installing malware on the machines of users is by no means a solution and is punishable by international cyber-law.
Seeing as the admins have now also openly admitted to it on the forums, there is absolutely no doubt about what he has done, strengthened furthermore by the fact that he erased everything in an attempt to hide the evidence. Too bad that many of us still have 25Assist builds, and I personally have at least the latest 4-5.

If anyone wants to take action against him, you can file a complaint at http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx and provide them with all the necessary proof (forums logs/screens, assist builds since they will be analyzing them themselves...)

If you want to know more about it:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/telecom/computer-hacking-and-unauthorized-access-laws.aspx

Trojan or not, it allowed him to gain unauthorized access to the PCs of users without their consent, and thus acted like a trojan. You might want to read more about the definition, both historical and legal. The ToS wont protect you, as it is not above the law, and what you did clearly breaks it.


So trojan like but not a trojan.

Well said, thanks for the info. This and other questions raised should all be addressed in the 1st post for everyone to see.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:42:38 AM
Possessed is acting like a fool and making things worse. Are all admins trolls or what? Seriously.


So trojan like but not a trojan.

Well said, thanks for the info. This and other questions raised should all be addressed in the 1st post for everyone to see.
it wasn't me Who shut it down, I have nothing to hide, if Jonny whants he can make an account and post, I mostly speak for my self not for anyone here nor for Assist project as it is curretly Down;
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Darkjello769 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:43:59 AM
it wasn't me Who shut it down, I have nothing to hide, if Jonny whants he can make an account and post, I mostly speak for my self not for anyone here nor for Assist project as it is curretly Down;

No but your insulting people and talking out your ass.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:45:06 AM
No but your insulting people and talking out your ass.
how am I insulting You Mr. Backdoored?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Kaz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:45:20 AM
Using hacks its also a insult to some ppl and yet you....
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: denial. on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:45:32 AM
Well I used the assist client to find out who was actually hacking by searching through files ages ago as I realised as soon as I downloaded it that it had backdoor functionality. I'll post the list within the next couple of days after i see what the situation here turns into. Needless to say this list would've ruined the community if I released it prior to this drama. x
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Darkjello769 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:46:32 AM
quote author=Possessed link=topic=4044.msg54136#msg54136 date=1378824306]
how am I insulting You Mr. Backdoored?[/quote]


how stupid are you, he deleted things so they could not be used anymore,

Your snide remarks are pathetic.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Darkjello769 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:47:36 AM
Using hacks its also a insult to some ppl and yet you....

If you even attempted to read anything about my ban you would know i wasnt hacking. Which was even stated in the forum by the admins.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:49:25 AM
Dark, you just Said that you're Stupid. not me.

If you even attempted to read anything about my ban you would know i wasnt hacking. Which was even stated in the forum by the admins.
cheat files were found, that was well said there.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: dtruesdale on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:49:41 AM
For assist it's http://youtu.be/dsx2vdn7gpY (http://youtu.be/dsx2vdn7gpY)

I will continue on the quest of the source. All it took was one asshole to turn this into what it is. Instead of it properly being handled it has now been killed completely by ignorant idiots. You wanted to play you get to play AA$ that is no more AA2 or Assist. http://youtu.be/dsx2vdn7gpY (http://youtu.be/dsx2vdn7gpY)
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Kaz on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:50:42 AM
You keep talking here why? you don t even like the game.... or you didn't did what you did !
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:50:51 AM
For assist it's http://youtu.be/dsx2vdn7gpY (http://youtu.be/dsx2vdn7gpY)

I will continue on the quest of the source. All it took was one asshole to turn this into what it is. Instead of it properly being handled it has now been killed completely by ignorant idiots. You wanted to play you get to play AA$ that is no more AA2 or Assist. http://youtu.be/dsx2vdn7gpY (http://youtu.be/dsx2vdn7gpY)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEwne-IEG9s[/youtube]
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: -Diesel.iNv- on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:51:47 AM
Dark, you just Said that you're Stupid. not me.
cheat files were found, that was well said there.

What are you, 13 years old?
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:53:43 AM
What are you, 13 years old?
no I'm 21, and I asked if u were Stupid, if you isn't Stupid theres no reason to be offended.
that's where I saw you calling yourself stupid.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:54:41 AM
Dark, you just Said that you're Stupid. not me.
cheat files were found, that was well said there.

If you even attempted to read anything about my ban you would know i wasnt hacking. Which was even stated in the forum by the admins.

Completely diff topic. Cheat files found. Like being found with an illegal stolen hand gun "that you didnt know about nor use, nor intend to use". You likely used it, at least for a while. esp with it being a pay for hack.

















BACK ON TOPIC someone should make another thread and keep it clean. These past 11 pages are nothing but a distraction for people trying to find out what is really going on.

Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Goat on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:54:45 AM
How the admins are behaving and handling this outrageous situation clearly points out how immature and childish they are.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: denial. on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:56:03 AM
the fact that it seems as though jonny couldn't terminate the assist project quick enough makes me think there were some quite serious legal issues involved. Might well be worth looking into it further.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:56:17 AM
How the admins are behaving and handling this outrageous situation clearly points out how immature and childish they are.

This should have been apparent LONG ago. When I 1st found assist, I loved it.

Then I joined the forums and all these fkin updates came along. Its sad how everything has gone down and been handled.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:56:20 AM
How the admins are behaving and handling this outrageous situation clearly points out how immature and childish they are.
Ofc you are very mature: http://www.youtube.com/user/MrEpicGoat/videos

I agree with you Dav, but I'm not the one who's gonna do it sry.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:57:35 AM
Hope these forums dont get shut down. Are there other forums to post on about the community?

Feel free to pop by insurgentcamp.com and post more info, incase they shut this down too.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:58:26 AM
i may ask you all again:
can you please stop this crap please. just wait.
if possible some of us will put some servers out to play tonigt, but w/o aut system.
the servers to connect you will find in the thread:
running server w/o aut system....or something like that. search for it if you like.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Darkjello769 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:58:43 AM
Cheat files where found. So you assume i used it. No proof at all that it was. Ban on speculation. Only cheat that i had running was the aao assist program that is actually a hack for the developers to get into any info they wanted on any users pc. I never wanted aao2.5 to die i simply just went to aa4.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:58:47 AM
Hope these forums dont get shut down. Are there other forums to post on about the community?

Feel free to pop by insurgentcamp.com and post more info, incase they shut this down too.
probably won't get down, at least not 4 ever. Jonny could not delete, otherwise he would have did >)
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Alex on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:58:59 AM
so it was for illegally searching peoples pc's for hacks?
Yup. It's fucking bullshit. Can't believe this shit happened.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 11:02:03 AM
Cheat files where found. So you assume i used it. No proof at all that it was. Ban on speculation. Only cheat that i had running was the aao assist program that is actually a hack for the developers to get into any info they wanted on any users pc. I never wanted aao2.5 to die i simply just went to aa4.
that method has been around for years(banning in found cheat, regarding if the were or are in use), i'm sure you could not gave a clean file if requested, sure you can argue about how it went to our vision but you can't deny that you had subscription with UnrealBot and that you've used software that vilolate laws too.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Dav3 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 11:02:06 AM
probably won't get down, at least not 4 ever. Jonny could not delete, otherwise he would have did >)

Was this an admin collective thing?

Or was it a single person that somehow slipped it past everyone else?

I mean, was there a large development team behind assist and everyone knew about this, or only 1, or a few?

To what extent did it reach? Did it allow access on demand, or scan and list our whole computer? Could any other info be compromised ie banking, and so on?

If there is ANY hope in resurrecting this, these issues need to be cleared and addressed. NOT being smug, answers need to be given.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: dtruesdale on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 11:02:28 AM
Folks it is this simple for now [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY[/youtube]
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: -Diesel.iNv- on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 11:04:15 AM
no I'm 21, and I asked if u were Stupid, if you isn't Stupid theres no reason to be offended.
that's where I saw you calling yourself stupid.

lol

Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Darkjello769 on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 11:05:54 AM
that method has been around for years(banning in found cheat, regarding if the were or are in use), i'm sure you could not gave a clean file if requested, sure you can argue about how it went to our vision but you can't deny that you had subscription with UnrealBot and that you've used software that vilolate laws too.

No, no one has used this method without letting the user know. There isnt a method where a program gains full access to a users hard drive either thats legal. Clean file? I was running assist clean which is why i wasnt banned and simply forgot files were even there. Everything else is speculation ffs. The fact is you cant obtain shit illegally then prosecute ILLEGALLY. lmfao
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 11:06:50 AM
Was this an admin collective thing?

Or was it a single person that somehow slipped it past everyone else?

I mean, was there a large development team behind assist and everyone knew about this, or only 1, or a few?

To what extent did it reach? Did it allow access on demand, or scan and list our whole computer? Could any other info be compromised ie banking, and so on?

If there is ANY hope in resurrecting this, these issues need to be cleared and addressed. NOT being smug, answers need to be given.
JonnyM is/was the unique developer of the 25Assist/AC tool at this time, he added that feature, we were aware of it, some used it others did not, some never touched the ac tool. that "backdoor" feature as you say, was put in place at 28/09/2013, prior to this we never had access to ppl files other than by logging.

he was the one who builded it, but we were aware and some used it aswell WITHOUT even bothering.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Alex on Thursday, September 12, 2013, 16:07:59 PM
JonnyM is/was the unique developer of the 25Assist/AC tool at this time, he added that feature, we were aware of it, some used it others did not, some never touched the ac tool. that "backdoor" feature as you say, was put in place at 28/09/2013, prior to this we never had access to ppl files other than by logging.

he was the one who builded it, but we were aware and some used it aswell WITHOUT even bothering.
28/09/2013? It was from the future? lol.

Also, I wouldn't say everyone was aware of it. I sure as hell wasn't.
Title: Re: Closing of Assist - Game Over
Post by: Possessed on Friday, September 13, 2013, 00:31:44 AM
28/09/2013? It was from the future? lol.

Also, I wouldn't say everyone was aware of it. I sure as hell wasn't.
replace 09 with 08, thx  :makemyday: