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Title: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: ELiZ on Saturday, October 26, 2013, 06:26:28 AM
As of today, anyone caught using AutoHotKey will be permanent banned from 25Assist.

This was decided by this vote:
http://aao25.com/general-chat/auto-hot-key-bans/

This goes only for new bans.
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Vanoke on Saturday, October 26, 2013, 07:19:57 AM
Gif those players that play whit that hot key s a change that they know about this
I puth it on my facebook but not all will know about this .
so that they can chance there setting to play as it has to be.
And we don t loos more players  A 1 warning wood be on his plays

As of today, anyone caught using AutoHotKey will be permanent banned from 25Assist.

This was decided by this vote:
http://aao25.com/general-chat/auto-hot-key-bans/

This goes only for new bans.
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: ELiZ on Saturday, October 26, 2013, 07:52:57 AM
Gif those players that play whit that hot key s a change that they know about this
I puth it on my facebook but not all will know about this .
so that they can chance there setting to play as it has to be.
And we don t loos more players  A 1 warning wood be on his plays

The previous 1 week ban was a warning system.
A clear majority of the community want the 1 week gone.
I'll see what can be done to communicate to the users that cheating will not be accepted.
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Saturday, October 26, 2013, 12:35:31 PM
glad to see this was taken serious

thank you eliz
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Mixk on Saturday, October 26, 2013, 15:46:28 PM
glad to see this was taken serious

thank you eliz
:sign_x2:
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: 1m50ry on Saturday, October 26, 2013, 20:30:11 PM
lol about time
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Dav3 on Saturday, October 26, 2013, 21:00:54 PM
I am still not positive people actually know what its abilities are. I have a strong suspicion most people voted had absolutely 0 knowledge on it nor what i can do and think its an all out hack.

Perhaps one of the admins could actually give info on it and what it could do.

It looks quite similar to a program I used at one of my jobs to automatically fill ticketing systems for common problems.

For example you could set it to type certain shit, tab to next box, make selections and turn 2 min of work filling a ticket out into the press of a button and 5 seconds done n done.

Again, if this program only does what gaming software that comes with many gaming mouse and keyboards I dont see why it should be perma ban.






I am 100% for making decisions based on the MAJORITY but if the majority are making decisions based on 0 knowledge thats an ass backward system, and quite frankly retarded.
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Dav3 on Saturday, October 26, 2013, 21:05:02 PM
That "poll" was extremely poorly put together. It did not have all required information to make an educated selection.

And Im fairly tech savy and didnt even vote because all the info wasnt there to make a proper selection.



You cant ask questions like that and not give all the info. AND CERTAINLY dont make decisions off them.
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Saturday, October 26, 2013, 21:35:59 PM
That "poll" was extremely poorly put together. It did not have all required information to make an educated selection.

And Im fairly tech savy and didnt even vote because all the info wasnt there to make a proper selection.



You cant ask questions like that and not give all the info. AND CERTAINLY dont make decisions off them.

for the life of me i can't understand you at all, 1st u say u don't want cheaters playing and now this, come on man really, we all stated what the ahk does what more do u want??

even in game ur like this, if people don't play your way everyone is a noob & ect, people play to have fun not everything is about frag rate, try relaxing once awhile, not alot of people work as a team as u want them too, a


Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Spanky on Saturday, October 26, 2013, 21:36:33 PM
Ask yourself 1 question Dav3;
What legitimate purpose does this application have for America's Army?

Personally, I'm stumped. I can't think of a legitimate reason for it but I can think of ways for it to be abused and used for an unfair advantage.
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Dav3 on Saturday, October 26, 2013, 21:56:16 PM
As usual the issue at hand goes above your heads.

Im tired of explaining things to people who clearly lack logical thought processes and abilities.

I will no longer burden this forum with my common sense and hope for improvement.

Please delete my account and all my past posts
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Dav3 on Saturday, October 26, 2013, 21:57:00 PM
Forum account to be clear I will still be playing but not partaking in any forum shenanigans.
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Saturday, October 26, 2013, 22:10:04 PM


Please delete my account and all my past posts

i really hope they do
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Spanky on Saturday, October 26, 2013, 23:14:14 PM
As usual the issue at hand goes above your heads.

Im tired of explaining things to people who clearly lack logical thought processes and abilities.

I will no longer burden this forum with my common sense and hope for improvement.

Please delete my account and all my past posts

This is hilarious. You obviously think you're smarter or more clever than you actually are. What's the problem? AutoHotKey can give an unfair advantage (doesn't matter how small or what it is) and has no positive useful benefit for America's Army. What more is there to discuss or query about?

I don't really care about your forum account, I'd much rather delete your game account so maybe you can appreciate the game instead of constantly finding ways to complain about it. Multiple people have commented about your poor attitude in-game as well and I've seen you ragequit. I can't recall off the top of my head anything positive from you so why do you play? I guess my lack of logical thought processes prevents me from comprehending that.
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Dialects on Saturday, October 26, 2013, 23:39:50 PM
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I am still not positive people actually know what its abilities are.
Neither positive nor negative. Uncertainty =/= Assertiveness. Maybe it would be better to ask?

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I have a strong suspicion most people voted had absolutely 0 knowledge on it nor what i can do and think its an all out hack.
Suspicion is a man-made emotional state that considers the various possible outcomes albeit any factual coherence and/or the auspicious requirement for fact confirmation. Therefore it is unlikely that arguments based off and/or started on the ground of suspicion will ever retain or withhold any considerate value to them --unless a following discrimination of facts and its justifiers is to accompany it. As you so fondly affirm, it all revolves around facts...none from you so far.

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Perhaps one of the admins could actually give info on it and what it could do.
Perhaps you could. You seem very knowledgeable in the current issue at hand. Help more. Bitch less.

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It looks quite similar to a program I used at one of my jobs to automatically fill ticketing systems for common problems.
Ah! Helped you have. Now everyone understands that AutoHotKey is essentially but not quite the same as Ticketing Systems.

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For example you could set it to type certain shit, tab to next box, make selections and turn 2 min of work filling a ticket out into the press of a button and 5 seconds done n done.
Remember that IQ test you mentioned? Usually, is such tests you are advised to think thoroughly prior to reaching a conclusion, appropriating yourself of it and consenting to it as being your decisive answer. In sum, think before doing. You'll do more this way.

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I am 100% for making decisions based on the MAJORITY but if the majority are making decisions based on 0 knowledge thats an ass backward system, and quite frankly retarded.
1 - If you are 100% for making decisions based on the majority then why do you bitch/moan on each and every single one them?
2 - If you feel as though said majority has no solidified knowledge --therefore compromising the veracity of the poll, whence the integrity of the vote count-- why do you not instead make a positive mood and help change these current setters that so often seem to itch your frenetic ego?
3 - Your level of coherence is a backward ass system and quite frankly retarded.

Leave the questions remain as they are. They're...ah, rhetoric if anything.

Conclusion: You; that is, the image you export of yourself; are a contradiction to yourself; that is, the ideals you seem to withhold. This is the only fact you have presented me/us with and it is undeniably the only fact one can reach after connecting all of your posts and shared words as we try to make even the slightest sense out of it.



Think more!
/Dan

Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: bollie on Sunday, October 27, 2013, 06:20:39 AM
Goodbye dave! Nobody will miss you
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Dialects on Monday, October 28, 2013, 11:46:34 AM
I would like to note that Dav3 raised issues under valid and irreverent premisses -most of which I came to agree upon.

What reflected poorly on his posts was the attitude with which he unveiled his arguments.

So; whereas on one hand his absence is positive (in concern to his attitude) on the other hand it is sad to see such valuable input going amiss.

This is but my opinion on the matter.

/Dan
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Monday, October 28, 2013, 15:51:39 PM
While I agree he sometimes brought up valuable ideas, it is in fact the manner in which he treated anyone who didn't agree with jim that was the major problem. Insulting anyone who disagrees just makes it look.like.he doesn't really have anything constructive to say (even if he does later on in the post). It's often the tone of the first thought in a post that puts a certain mood to the rest of it.

I've heard the best way to persuade somebody to agree with you is to think of what that person wants and focus on that. He should try that, it ought to work wonders.
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Monday, October 28, 2013, 21:00:28 PM
The only thing I can say is that the system to catch the hackers is too strict. To be honest I must support Dav3 for one thing, which is information. When you do poll you must insert the most clear context of information of what is poll about and what that all means within the title and explanation of Auto Hot Key (AHK).
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: zoxee on Monday, October 28, 2013, 22:03:09 PM
The only thing I can say is that the system to catch the hackers is too strict

No it's not. Maybe you have a short memory of those times where cheating was the overall
topic on this forum. Today more or less normality has come back in the gameplay thanks
to that severity and it should stay that way.
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Mixk on Monday, October 28, 2013, 22:12:00 PM
No it's not. Maybe you have a short memory of those times where cheating was the overall
topic on this forum. Today more or less normality has come back in the gameplay thanks
to that severity and it should stay that way.
:sign_x2:
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: alechko1 on Tuesday, October 29, 2013, 14:08:25 PM
No it's not. Maybe you have a short memory of those times where cheating was the overall
topic on this forum. Today more or less normality has come back in the gameplay thanks
to that severity and it should stay that way.

I remember when AA stopped supporting the game, and I still haven't heard of Assist- we were playing 2.8.5 without the Auth and it was literally impossible to play because every server had several cheaters playing.

The only thing that makes Assist so popular (except the honor tracking which keeps the honor whores) is their (at least most of the time) stubborn war with hackers
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Mixk on Tuesday, October 29, 2013, 17:26:51 PM
I remember when AA stopped supporting the game, and I still haven't heard of Assist- we were playing 2.8.5 without the Auth and it was literally impossible to play because every server had several cheaters playing.

The only thing that makes Assist so popular (except the honor tracking which keeps the honor whores) is their (at least most of the time) stubborn war with hackers
Wasn't there those who never did move on to anything after 2.5?
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, October 29, 2013, 19:18:23 PM
Wasn't there those who never did move on to anything after 2.5?

Count me as one of them.
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: raw on Tuesday, November 12, 2013, 11:30:18 AM
Sorryyy guys was too lazy to read this whole thread but what is the autohotkey excatly?
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Tuesday, November 12, 2013, 11:59:57 AM
Sorryyy guys was too lazy to read this whole thread but what is the autohotkey excatly?

LOL
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Tuesday, November 12, 2013, 13:11:02 PM
It's a scripting program, that allows to create all kinds of macros and different kind of scripts that are activated (usually) by a press of a button.

But for as much as I've read, the scripts can be quite complicated and even replicate a sort of aimbot (correct me if I'm wrong, to whoever really knows this stuff).
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: SASF-DarkShooter on Tuesday, November 12, 2013, 15:08:50 PM
I remember something about crouching really fast etc. when I first got into AA. Back then I didn't see the use in it anyway.
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Ares on Tuesday, November 12, 2013, 17:54:41 PM
Make sure you ban for the "Aliases binds" aswell then, I use to, back in like 2.4 or something when fastswap was removed bind one of the Aliases in user.ini to crouch|onrelease|stand to my crouch button, so if you're gonna do it, do it all the way, if you didn't know about this, here you go.
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: =SKUL=SherminatorPT on Tuesday, November 12, 2013, 18:36:48 PM
Sorryyy guys was too lazy to read this whole thread but what is the autohotkey excatly?
Its a key that gets really hot.
Read the post! :rtfm:
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, November 12, 2013, 19:01:12 PM
crouch|onrelease|stand
OnRelease is detected with PB CVARS these days. Same for suicide binds.
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: KARI-30 on Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 03:44:34 AM
Suicide binds :D
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 04:08:24 AM
Fast crouching is simply possible to do without using ini binds, if you have decent Logitech or Razer mouse and device software.
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 07:01:00 AM
What's fast crouching? It's pressing C and taking flash/frag/smoke in hands? Or something even more faster
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Mike Mentzer on Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 08:01:49 AM
Fast crouching is simply possible to do without using ini binds, if you have decent Logitech or Razer mouse and device software.

Copyrights to Sly_Software Inc
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 09:57:30 AM
AutoHotkey is a free, open-source macro-creation and automation software utility that allows users to automate repetitive tasks in Microsoft Windows. Any application user interface can be modified by AutoHotkey (for example, overriding the default Windows control key commands with their Emacs equivalents). It is driven by a custom scripting language that is aimed specifically at providing keyboard shortcuts or hotkeys.

Fast crouching, reloading when running, laying down and shooting is kinda of hotkey but it is not. It is like an instinct by pressing buttons quickly. You press for example X to lay down and you press fire with the mouse at the same time, it is called fast fingers when you press buttons too quickly. It is very good that this gives you warning, this makes it more fair as others don't know how to do it. 
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: BIRITIBA_RANGER on Tuesday, January 28, 2014, 18:47:51 PM
OK, but I had NO WARNING, JUST BECAME AWARE WHEN I WAS BANNED, DESERVE A CHANCE, I JA EXLUI The COMANDER MY COMPUTER :up:
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: ELiZ on Tuesday, January 28, 2014, 18:53:53 PM
Your excuse is that you didn't know you would get banned for cheating?
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Mixk on Tuesday, January 28, 2014, 23:46:41 PM
Your excuse is that you didn't know you would get banned for cheating?
:rofl:

OK, but I had NO WARNING, JUST BECAME AWARE WHEN I WAS BANNED, DESERVE A CHANCE, I JA EXLUI The COMANDER MY COMPUTER :up:

 :wanker: :fool:
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: eva on Wednesday, January 29, 2014, 00:25:57 AM
Sorryyy guys was too lazy to read this whole thread but what is the autohotkey excatly?
lol
Title: Re: Change in policy concerning AutoHotKey
Post by: Mixk on Wednesday, January 29, 2014, 01:26:06 AM
lol
I am so squeaky clean I never heard of it till two years ago and still didn't know for sure what it was till read up on it. :sign_oops: I r king of the noobs.