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Title: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Alex on Monday, December 10, 2012, 21:39:56 PM
Does anyone have a strong burning desire to help out their fellow AA players? If so, The next mAAp release is drawing nearer and it includes not only new maps and fixes for custom maps, but fixes for the regular AA maps as well. We would really appreciate it if you guys could look for bugs in maps (custom and regular) and report them here so they can be fixed.

I'd like for this to be a news post but I no longer have the ability to do so, so if an admin could do it it would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Spanky on Monday, December 10, 2012, 21:54:03 PM
We've fixed a few issues on Hospital, Pipeline and Urban Assault as well as improved the quality of lighting. The gameplay, layout and objects in the normal maps will not be touched (except to fix bugs/glitches).
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: inverseKID on Monday, December 10, 2012, 23:27:25 PM
I don't know if this is easily possible but maybe an update for mac could be implemented without power pc or whatever it is called.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Alex on Monday, December 10, 2012, 23:31:19 PM
I don't know if this is easily possible but maybe an update for mac could be implemented without power pc or whatever it is called.
This thread is about map bugs and fixes only.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: inverseKID on Monday, December 10, 2012, 23:41:37 PM
This thread is about map bugs and fixes only.
  :up:
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Fire@enemy on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 02:26:18 AM
im down to help
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: MothaGoosE on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 02:59:24 AM
I'm willing to help test the maps as well. Do you want us to just download the maps and play them in the current version of Assist, or do you have something else in mind?
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 03:29:09 AM
Current version of Assist is probably best and easiest since everybody already has them.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 04:02:59 AM
MOUT McKenna - when you are down inside Blue, near windows to main street and if the street is smoked, you are able to see no smoke while you look at the window glass. 
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: marten77 on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 06:11:09 AM
There is a bug on collapsed tunnel sometimes you are like behind a invisible wall in the corridor up where you go inside the door
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Koden on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 13:23:42 PM
Does anyone have anything to report about SF_Hospital? It's among the most played missions, i would bet there are a lot of little things that could be improved.

Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 15:18:25 PM
Just a FYI, I finished Aztec up. It's 32-slot capable now, has detail textures, high quality lightmaps and the default game type has been fixed. Should make for some fun.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 15:37:57 PM
Wel I'd day the roofbug on hospital. No idea what it consists in but when I kill people 3d floor they keep crying roofbug so I guess there's something wrong there
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Alex on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 17:02:03 PM
I'd really like for someone to put this under News so it's not forgotten tomorrow. I know the admins have seen it. :/
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 17:26:01 PM
Whoever moved it forgot to uncheck the "leave redirection topic". It leaves a shitty "MOVED: <thread title>" that clutters things up.

Ganja, I've done work on the ambush roof to try and get rid of the bug, it needs to be tested though.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: BiG_SerGiO on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 17:33:22 PM
It was me and did on purpose since it's mAAp related and so on the future people will still be able to find this...
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 17:56:42 PM
Alright then. Thanks for making it a news topic :)
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 19:37:12 PM
There is a bug on collapsed tunnel sometimes you are like behind a invisible wall in the corridor up where you go inside the door
+1
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Alex on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 20:09:46 PM
There is a bug on collapsed tunnel sometimes you are like behind a invisible wall in the corridor up where you go inside the door
I know exactly what you are talking about. I'll check it out when I get home.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 20:48:02 PM
I'm not sure of where or what that is but I just took a look. If you're going to work on tunnel, lower all the projectors at the lower level, the ones in those little 2-man rooms that people use for cover/camping. The projectors aren't low enough to touch the ground (trace distance) I'm not sure why the devs didn't see that, it's like they put them there without looking at the screen... Also, increase the lightmap quality in the vent access rooms, there could be some sexy shadows in there.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Alex on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 21:03:24 PM
I'm not sure of where or what that is but I just took a look. If you're going to work on tunnel, lower all the projectors at the lower level, the ones in those little 2-man rooms that people use for cover/camping. The projectors aren't low enough to touch the ground (trace distance) I'm not sure why the devs didn't see that, it's like they put them there without looking at the screen... Also, increase the lightmap quality in the vent access rooms, there could be some sexy shadows in there.
Yeah I just noticed that. It's really weird but it wouldn't be the first time they added something and didn't use it. The elevator in Weapons Cache is actually a mover with different locations and everything, there just is no trigger to make it work. It's like they planned for it to work and then scraped the idea.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 21:11:15 PM
o.O I did not know about that... Interesting.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 22:18:37 PM
MOUT McKenna - when you are down inside Blue, near windows to main street and if the street is smoked, you are able to see no smoke while you look at the window glass. 

Fixed, I edited the T-Windows package. For the map release of Assist, there will be some original AA files that are edited and ELiZ (or whoever) will have to modify the original packages on sourceforge and the MD5's (pretty sure Assist uses them for verifying downloads).


For future reference for any mappers, to fix this issue, in the FinalBlend of a transparent texture, you have to set ZWrite to False.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Alex on Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 23:13:15 PM
Well after hours of rage inducing searching/deleting/adding on Collapsed Tunnel I can officially say that Collapsed Tunnel isn't going to get fixed. There seems to be no reason why it is happening. I even deleted all of the meshes in the tunnel and still got stuck.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 00:30:54 AM
I looked at the map and deleted the vents/grates on the floor. That seems to allow players to run down the hallway without crouching. However, you still get hung up on the edges. I'm not sure why this is but it looks like a BSP error/glitch.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Alex on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 01:58:32 AM
Does anyone know if Collapsed Tunnel in 2.8 was the same way?

An easy solution would be to remove the pipes and playerblock from the halls but we don't really want to do that.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 02:16:12 AM
Just checked 2.8, it's buggy on there as well. Although, both tunnels are clear, just like in the copy I have on Dropbox.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 03:32:58 AM
we can test the maps too. just give me the download link and some instruction to install correctly.

btw: [mAAp]Square has to bugs.
1. sometimes you can not move up the ladders (from tunnel up or from ground to wooden towers. you got stucked then.
2. honor count. you do not need 4 players. as a single one you can select one side. if changed, just change back and you got 120 honors on your side. do the same again and another 120 honors are yours. maybe you can fix that too.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 04:07:16 AM
Well if you're talking about points it would be nice to use the system they had in 2.8.5 (maybe they had it before) i.e. must play all the rounds to get your points ...
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 06:00:50 AM
as i can remember, 2.8.5 counted honors even when you finished a round, but you had to be at least 4 players. this would be ok for me, also if only 2 players are in. but without any other player to get the points, this is not good.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: dapand on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 09:23:09 AM
Great initiative.

Can't remember exactly but there was a bug regarding leaves : when there was smoke, you could negate the smoke by looking through a leaf - maybe on Blizzard/Woodland I'm sorry I can't recall where...
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 10:17:49 AM
I found a small bug on mAAp_Aztec yesterday:
You can get stuck between the barrel and the crooked cube-like thing in the SW sewer, just east of the bridge, I included a SS:

(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg841.imageshack.us%2Fimg841%2F9206%2Fshot00020g.jpg&hash=7569604010d05fa2c1cdb90e0a70b44b)
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 12:52:24 PM
I found a small bug on mAAp_Aztec yesterday:
You can get stuck between the barrel and the crooked cube-like thing in the SW sewer, just east of the bridge, I included a SS:

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9206/shot00020g.jpg

Fixed. Thanks for reporting.

Can't remember exactly but there was a bug regarding leaves : when there was smoke, you could negate the smoke by looking through a leaf - maybe on Blizzard/Woodland I'm sorry I can't recall where...
If you could find out where and take screenshots, that would help. There's tons of transparent textures and checking/editing them all would be a bit of a pain.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Alex on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 13:49:41 PM
we can test the maps too. just give me the download link and some instruction to install correctly.

btw: [mAAp]Square has to bugs.
1. sometimes you can not move up the ladders (from tunnel up or from ground to wooden towers. you got stucked then.
2. honor count. you do not need 4 players. as a single one you can select one side. if changed, just change back and you got 120 honors on your side. do the same again and another 120 honors are yours. maybe you can fix that too.

New map testing will be some time later, right now we want to focus on the current custom and regular maps in the game. As for the honor points problem, I'm not really sure what you're talking about. As far as I know you need at least 4 players to get any points. I'll take a look at the ladders in square, most of the other stuff in Square is already fixed though.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 15:47:23 PM
What Melin was saying about Square:
You join a Square server. You're alone. You suddenly switch teams in the middle of the round(if you do this, AA will end the round saying "Apposing forces eliminated" and swap you to the other side). Now in a normal map, you would get no points, but in Square, you get 120 points every time you do this. It doesn't happen when you do objective (in fact you don't even get goal points for each objective), only if the opposing forces is eliminated.
For example even if you're 1 on 1 on Square, doing objectives will give you no points at all, but killing the enemy will result in 120 goal points every time.

I hope you can now understand what Merlin was trying to say. :)
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Alex on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 16:05:21 PM
What Melin was saying about Square:
You join a Square server. You're alone. You suddenly switch teams in the middle of the round(if you do this, AA will end the round saying "Apposing forces eliminated" and swap you to the other side). Now in a normal map, you would get no points, but in Square, you get 120 points every time you do this. It doesn't happen when you do objective (in fact you don't even get goal points for each objective), only if the opposing forces is eliminated.
For example even if you're 1 on 1 on Square, doing objectives will give you no points at all, but killing the enemy will result in 120 goal points every time.

I hope you can now understand what Merlin was trying to say. :)
Yes I do. It only happens on Square? That's very odd.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 16:09:05 PM
This is what the scoring is for Square:

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/464376/aac_maap/scoring.JPG)

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/464376/aac_maap/scoring_obj.JPG)

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/464376/aac_maap/scoring_obj2.JPG)
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Alex on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 16:24:23 PM
It's now fixed.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Alex on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 16:28:38 PM
To further expand on it (seeing as for some reason I cannot edit posts in the news section) I fixed it way back when I edited the scoring for Square so the points weren't huge.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: dapand on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 21:33:44 PM
Quote
If you could find out where and take screenshots, that would help. There's tons of transparent textures and checking/editing them all would be a bit of a pain.

I went and looked for it but couldn't find out ^^ maybe it was in an another version - anyways if I find it I'll post it
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 21:43:04 PM
I went and looked for it but couldn't find out ^^ maybe it was in an another version - anyways if I find it I'll post it

Thanks :) Even if very few people play mAAp when this is done, I'm sure many people will at least appreciate bug fixes in normal maps.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Spanky on Thursday, December 13, 2012, 00:25:39 AM
Hospital & Urban Assault are now 32-player capable.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Ganja on Thursday, December 13, 2012, 01:52:50 AM
Hospital & Urban Assault are now 32-player capable.

That's gonna be epic chaos lol, let the biggest campa win
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Ilmari on Thursday, December 13, 2012, 05:07:16 AM
LOL! That hospital map should be deleted anyway lol :P Boring
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Alex on Thursday, December 13, 2012, 13:33:25 PM
That's gonna be epic chaos lol, let the biggest campa win
No servers that I can see even support 32 players, it's just there as an option.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Spanky on Thursday, December 13, 2012, 14:48:34 PM
No servers that I can see even support 32 players, it's just there as an option.

Assist has supported 32 players while the maps haven't (I think mAAp Pipeline did for a while). At least now, people have the option to play with 31 other people, it's just now a simple issue of paying for extra slots.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: B@lestra^ on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 09:04:46 AM
Wel I'd day the roofbug on hospital. No idea what it consists in but when I kill people 3d floor they keep crying roofbug so I guess there's something wrong there

I bet that i was one of those complainers. I've mentioned that roofbug from the very beginning of aa25 since it was a common bug which came with the aa version 2.5. it would be reallygreat if you can work on that bug, but i do remember that you couldn't when i initially reported this bug back then.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: B@lestra^ on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 10:17:38 AM
I bet that i was one of those complainers. I've mentioned that roofbug from the very beginning of aa25 since it was a common bug which came with the aa version 2.5. it would be reallygreat if you can work on that bug, but i do remember that you couldn't when i initially reported this bug back then.

SF Hospital roofbug still exists, just tested it  :banned:
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: Koden on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 10:22:50 AM
SF Hospital roofbug still exists, just tested it  :banned:

It depends on the mission itself, maps (mission) weren't updated in this release ;) it will get public in the next one.
Title: Re: ATTENTION PLAYERS, mAAp needs your help!
Post by: B@lestra^ on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 10:24:51 AM
It depends on the mission itself, maps (mission) weren't updated in this release ;) it will get public in the next one.

Oh sorry, mixed that up. Thx4info.