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Title: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: ELiZ on Monday, January 07, 2013, 03:26:21 AM
Version 7.20 has been rolled out today to all Servers and Client.

In this update we have concentrated on expanding the [mAAp] section of 25Assist.


Info on the new update written by Spanky:
This is a long-awaited update that is finally done. This has been almost a year in the making and there are many changes and I will try to cover them all in this post.

First, I would like to thank Jonny for making Assist and allowing all of us to unite together and remember the fun times we all had playing America's Army. I also want to thank Pit for taking lead of this project when nobody else wanted to, keeping it alive. A thank you also goes to ELiZ for making this update possible, doing all the work behind the scenes to update Assist and make sure everything is working properly.


Servers should auto-update within the next several hours, clients will update upon startup.
If you don't have Assist, get it here:
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faao25.com%2Fimages%2Flinux.png&hash=e84f7ecfe2170283ec2ff3b52be2b26e) (http://sourceforge.net/projects/aa25assist/files/Binaries/25Assist-Linux.zip/download)(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faao25.com%2Fimages%2Fmacos.png&hash=e43fd7b54e6737370d81dff982b14355) (http://sourceforge.net/projects/aa25assist/files/Binaries/25Assist.app.tar.gz/download)(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faao25.com%2Fimages%2Fwindows.png&hash=35873b08e844033471884d530a46911c) (http://sourceforge.net/projects/aa25assist/files/Binaries/25Assist.zip/download)


Now for the dirty details on the update:

7 New maps:
(click on image for full 720p)

City Block
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faao25.com%2Faa_shots%2FCity_Block.png&hash=df2fd308a33573f546ffcdf3c02eed6e) (http://aao25.com/aa_shots/City_Block.png)
Credit: Killaman

Petrol
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faao25.com%2Faa_shots%2FPetrol.png&hash=6e8f8c6b3f450823d39ffc3bcb010a02) (http://aao25.com/aa_shots/Petrol.png)
Credit: Killaman and iZi

Pool Day
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faao25.com%2Faa_shots%2FPool_Day.png&hash=cb42242898defdb6805ff1ddd5466a40) (http://aao25.com/aa_shots/Pool_Day.png)
Credit: Original 2.8 map author

Rooftop
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faao25.com%2Faa_shots%2FRooftop.png&hash=71c7987eb09aa12edd14f0f262928a11) (http://aao25.com/aa_shots/Rooftop.png)
Credit: Killaman

SF Contingency
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faao25.com%2Faa_shots%2FSF_Contingency.png&hash=ee9ca16cd76f9ec45dd32273e2c4edb6) (http://aao25.com/aa_shots/SF_Contingency.png)
Credit: MothaGoosE

SF Office Assault
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faao25.com%2Faa_shots%2FSF_Office_Assault.png&hash=98d910d57b657b879919d7b182893b5e) (http://aao25.com/aa_shots/SF_Office_Assault.png)
Credit: Maxbulldog

Steamroller
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faao25.com%2Faa_shots%2FSteamroller.png&hash=0cfb0390d4f11183e8acff8594303592) (http://aao25.com/aa_shots/Steamroller.png)
Credit: Original 2.8 map author


Map Changes:
mAAp Pipeline has the most significant upgrades with visual improvements, FPS increases and more features:
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faao25.com%2Faa_shots%2FPipeline.png&hash=ae11b4caf6fe08241534d727e4ac787b) (http://aao25.com/aa_shots/Pipeline.png)

Ice, Aztec and Breakout also have significant graphical improvements. Most all other maps have minor tweaking of graphics or FPS improvements.

Tons of bugs were fixed with mAAp maps and official maps as well, a few of the notable ones are:
- Player going underneath ice sheet and black ice texture on Ice.
- Unusable spawn points on Berg.
- Fixed missing meshes on Dusk.
- Rendering issue in control room, added zone portals and tweaked objectives on Breakout.
- Bright lighting and enemy clothing on Rummage.
- Texture alignment, enemy clothing, default game type, added playerblocks and fixed comm location issues on Aztec.
- Door warping, sound and scoring issues on Square.
- Enemy clothing on Shipment.
- Removed windows allowing Defense to spam Assault on mAAp Pipeline.
- Rebuilt Ambush roof and added playerblocks in various areas to prevent glitches on SF Hospital.
- Added extra player slots to Shipment, Berg, Breakout, Ice, Square, Urban Assault, SF Hospital and Pipeline.
- Added objectives, moved Defense spawn points, fixed clothing, added missing light fixtures, fixed missing sounds, and added playerblocks to various areas to prevent problems on Interdiction.


If you have comments, suggestions or bug reports, please head on over to the discussion thread:
http://aao25.com/maap/maap-v7-2-discussion-thread/
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: marten77 on Monday, January 07, 2013, 06:31:35 AM
Still no update for flashes???
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Possessed on Monday, January 07, 2013, 06:35:41 AM
nope, not enough feedback from the "majority" part of the community.
but this is another topic.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Ganja on Monday, January 07, 2013, 07:48:02 AM
I think you guys made a great job. The ambush roof on hosp made ma laugh though :)
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: BiG_SerGiO on Monday, January 07, 2013, 08:07:58 AM
GJ everyone :)
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: tacstealth on Monday, January 07, 2013, 08:16:52 AM
GJ everyone ! Our Server Will Be Updated Today ! HOOAH !
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Monday, January 07, 2013, 08:24:30 AM
Can I, and if I can, where can I give you an idea about new (old one back) map?

Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Monday, January 07, 2013, 08:44:56 AM
Read the first post, tidididi, look at the bottom, there's a link, try that.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: KARI-30 on Monday, January 07, 2013, 09:27:45 AM
The new SF Hospital is BS. I want the old map back. The slots and wwroof is serious bs. Why change the original maps? Create a new maap sfhospital and change whatever you want. But changing the original maps i dont understand.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: BiG_SerGiO on Monday, January 07, 2013, 09:33:08 AM
What changed in slots?
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Ganja on Monday, January 07, 2013, 09:40:51 AM
More slots lol but no idea why he cries about that. And yeah roof is bit frustrating but dont be so conservatist
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Monday, January 07, 2013, 09:42:33 AM
Quote from: BiG_SerGiO on Monday, January 07, 2013, 09:33:08 AM
What changed in slots?

slots at SF Hospital now 32
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: soupcakes on Monday, January 07, 2013, 09:44:13 AM
NJ guys, hope some usa servers are actually running those maaps...they look fun.and thanks for all the hard work and effort put in by everybody to keep improving this game.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: butters on Monday, January 07, 2013, 10:51:48 AM
Quote from: marten77 on Monday, January 07, 2013, 06:31:35 AM
Still no update for flashes???
they can't touch the game code , only modify maps , when will you understand MARTEN?!?
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: kaledo on Monday, January 07, 2013, 12:02:35 PM
very very Thanks!!! Great Job... Standing Ovation!!!
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Ganja on Monday, January 07, 2013, 12:04:05 PM
Poolday ... most addicting map of AA lol
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Koden on Monday, January 07, 2013, 12:34:58 PM
Such a huge update with loads of good content :D as of now there are about 50 players playing mAAp missions (Petrol, Steamroller, Pool and CityBlock).

Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Vanoke on Monday, January 07, 2013, 12:57:25 PM
Its a great fun extra Thx to the guys how make this possible.
I think i must cry >>>>>>>>>>>> No Lol !!!!
but i have no enlische words for it .
Ik bedank alle mensen die dit mogenlijk hebben gemaakt en ik ben er van overtuigt dat 25Assist een game is die
nog lang niet uitgespeeld is .
Super!
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Koden on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:02:40 PM
Quote
Ik bedank alle mensen die dit mogenlijk hebben gemaakt en ik ben er van overtuigt dat 25Assist een game is die
nog lang niet uitgespeeld is


Quote from: Google Translate
I thank all the people who have made ​​this possible and I am convinced that 25Assist is a game that
is far from finished.

*Google Translate.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Spanky on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:09:43 PM
Quote from: KARI-30 on Monday, January 07, 2013, 09:27:45 AM
The new SF Hospital is BS. I want the old map back. The slots and wwroof is serious bs. Why change the original maps? Create a new maap sfhospital and change whatever you want. But changing the original maps i dont understand.

lololol
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Spanky on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:18:27 PM
Thought I would elaborate on my last post;

Do you miss being able to glitch up there? Being able to stand/crouch/pone unrealistically on the railing? Being able to jump off a 3-story building?

None of that is realistic. While I was never able to replicate the rooftop bug, I'm pretty sure it's fixed now.

As for the slots, are you delusional? Each team got 4 more playerstarts which were copies of ones already there. Nothing changed as far as weapon layouts or inventory. I just thought since Hospital is always full at 26 slots, and that Assist supports 30, people might enjoy the extra players. Fuck me right?
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Ganja on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:20:26 PM
U did great job there. Now I have a question, why is there an rpk on poolday that is closer to blue team than red team? I don't understand why make this unfair lol
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Spanky on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:26:01 PM
Poolday is an exact convert, the only things changed were shadows (higher quality) and water deletion. The weapons were as the 2.8 author made them. Ask him :)
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: MothaGoosE on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:27:38 PM
Quote from: Ganja on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:20:26 PM
U did great job there. Now I have a question, why is there an rpk on poolday that is closer to blue team than red team? I don't understand why make this unfair lol

I don't know. None of us made it.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: B@lestra^ on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:37:41 PM
Are u frikken kiddin me? Very good Job, seriously  :up:
I will try it out as soon as possible!
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: zoxee on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:39:58 PM
Petrol is really a great Map, credit$ to the one who made it... :up:
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Alex on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:41:00 PM
Quote from: zoxee on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:39:58 PM
Petrol is really a great Map, credit$ to the one who made it... :up:
Thanks. I joined a server running it but was saddened to find out it was SF modded. :( It's still goods to see peopel enjoying it.  :)
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Ganja on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:56:18 PM
Wow they're already modding new servers. No chance to delete that rpk I guess? pretty unfair
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: MothaGoosE on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:57:30 PM
Quote from: Ganja on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:56:18 PM
Wow they're already modding new servers. No chance to delete that rpk I guess? pretty unfair

That will most likely have to be something for the next release. No one pointed it put when the maps were being tested.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: .mo!otow^ on Monday, January 07, 2013, 14:26:44 PM
Good Job!
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: jln_br on Monday, January 07, 2013, 14:34:59 PM
Nice work! Congratulations!
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Possessed on Monday, January 07, 2013, 15:19:18 PM
Quote from: KiLLaMaN on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:41:00 PM
Thanks. I joined a server running it but was saddened to find out it was SF modded. :( It's still goods to see peopel enjoying it.  :)
Petrol "doesn't work" with Acog4x!!!!!!!!!! damn sf noobs.
edit: same for 203 and rockets., flares would be cool to see there lol.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: dave13 on Monday, January 07, 2013, 15:31:56 PM
34 for pipeline way too much ... urban the same ...
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: MothaGoosE on Monday, January 07, 2013, 15:53:26 PM
Quote from: dave13 on Monday, January 07, 2013, 15:31:56 PM
34 for pipeline way too much ... urban the same ...

It's 32. Solution: limit server capacity to 26 slots. I don't see the problem with more potential for more people to have a good time.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Spanky on Monday, January 07, 2013, 16:00:20 PM
Quote from: MothaGoosE on Monday, January 07, 2013, 15:53:26 PM
It's 32. Solution: limit server capacity to 26 slots. I don't see the problem with more potential for more people to have a good time.

There's actually 34 slots but I think Assist only supports 30 right now. Like MothaGoosE said, just limit your server if you don't like playing with others.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: wickid on Monday, January 07, 2013, 17:16:21 PM
Any changes with flashes with this update????
 
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Spanky on Monday, January 07, 2013, 17:23:57 PM
Quote from: wickid on Monday, January 07, 2013, 17:16:21 PM
Any changes with flashes with this update????

*facepalm* If there was, don't you think we would have mentioned it? If they ruin the game THAT much for you then don't play.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Calevey on Monday, January 07, 2013, 17:24:46 PM
GJ and thank you fellas. Good that the SF Hospital glitch was fixed and the roof looks actually really nice now. Tried Petrol also and damn, I enjoyed it. Keep up the good work. I have to try the rest of the mAAp's later when I got more time.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Spanky on Monday, January 07, 2013, 17:26:02 PM
Quote from: Calevey on Monday, January 07, 2013, 17:24:46 PM
GJ and thank you fellas. Good that the SF Hospital glitch was fixed and the roof looks actually really nice now. Tried Petrol also and damn, I enjoyed it. Keep up the good work. I have to try the rest of the mAAp's later when I got more time.

Thanks for the great comments. I can't speak for others but I appreciate it when people like you enjoy the work we do. It makes the work worthwhile :)
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: wickid on Monday, January 07, 2013, 17:42:27 PM
Quote from: Spanky on Monday, January 07, 2013, 17:23:57 PM
*facepalm* If there was, don't you think we would have mentioned it? If they ruin the game THAT much for you then don't play.

lol was just a question geez, lol and flashes has never ruined the game 4 me , thats why there a Suicide keybind, lmao
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Spanky on Monday, January 07, 2013, 18:00:56 PM
It just gets tiring when people constantly ask that. IF it ever gets changed, there will be posts about it. I'm sure there will be a poll or official forum discussion about it before it gets decided.

Too bad suicide is checked with CVARs :(
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: krIz+ on Monday, January 07, 2013, 23:29:34 PM
Quote from: Spanky on Monday, January 07, 2013, 18:00:56 PM
It just gets tiring when people constantly ask that. IF it ever gets changed, there will be posts about it. I'm sure there will be a poll or official forum discussion about it before it gets decided.

Too bad suicide is checked with CVARs :(
Maybe if people constantly ask for that, they wish it :) but i think you just cant change it, maybe im wrong
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Spanky on Monday, January 07, 2013, 23:35:24 PM
Quote from: krIz+ on Monday, January 07, 2013, 23:29:34 PM
Maybe if people constantly ask for that, they wish it :) but i think you just cant change it, maybe im wrong

This is off-topic but Possessed already did change it, it just hasn't been implemented. I think there should be a community poll where people vote and if it's a close race, it stays as-is.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: MothaGoosE on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 00:29:15 AM
Quote from: Spanky on Monday, January 07, 2013, 23:35:24 PM
This is off-topic but Possessed already did change it, it just hasn't been implemented. I think there should be a community poll where people vote and if it's a close race, it stays as-is.

I agree. This method has the best chance of pissing off the least amount of players possible. I suggest that, when the poll does go up, everyone notify everyone they can to vote so that the community is more accurately represented. I also think the poll's results should be hidden until the poll is over.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: ELiZ on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 00:57:26 AM
Quote from: MothaGoosE on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 00:29:15 AM
I agree. This method has the best chance of pissing off the least amount of players possible. I suggest that, when the poll does go up, everyone notify everyone they can to vote so that the community is more accurately represented. I also think the poll's results should be hidden until the poll is over.

Done.

http://aao25.com/2-5-assist/flash-time-poll/
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 03:40:03 AM
Quote from: Spanky on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:18:27 PM
Thought I would elaborate on my last post;

Do you miss being able to glitch up there? Being able to stand/crouch/pone unrealistically on the railing? Being able to jump off a 3-story building?

None of that is realistic. While I was never able to replicate the rooftop bug, I'm pretty sure it's fixed now.

You can't actually spam heliroof from wwroof now due to that little blockerthing, maybe that's what making him rage
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 03:42:50 AM
Quote from: Ganja on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 03:40:03 AM
You can't actually spam heliroof from wwroof now due to that little blockerthing, maybe that's what making him rage

Sure you can. Bullets go through playerblocks. I'm pretty sure that projectiles and grenades do as well...
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: MothaGoosE on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 04:02:56 AM
Quote from: Spanky on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 03:42:50 AM
Sure you can. Bullets go through playerblocks. I'm pretty sure that projectiles and grenades do as well...

all projectiles go through playerblocks. only bullets go through blocking volumes i think.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 05:54:00 AM
Yeah you didn't get my point. I mean there is a kind of barricade, so if you spam from wwroof u can't spam straight to heliroof, u have to get forward and then people can actually see ya (I mean 203 spam at start)
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Bart! on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 11:53:34 AM
105 people online, 30 on poolday around 3 hours ago, popular map ;)
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: ]-KTA-[Helldiver on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 11:59:22 AM
Rooftop "invisible" bug isnt fixed yet, its still there.

and by the way its pretty easy to step Forward, shoot your nade to heliroof and jump back :-)
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: ]-KTA-[Helldiver on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 12:02:45 PM
Quote from: ]-KTA-[Helldiver on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 11:59:22 AM
Rooftop "invisible" bug isnt fixed yet, its still there.

and by the way its pretty easy to step Forward, shoot your nade to heliroof and jump back :-)

AARGH sry with the fence on the back it is NOT possible to glitch the Roof bug, sry I was wrong xD
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 12:06:45 PM
things will only be fixe as we make another upate, we cannot fix them on the fly(not yet :)
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 13:25:19 PM
Quote from: ]-KTA-[Helldiver on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 12:02:45 PM
AARGH sry with the fence on the back it is NOT possible to glitch the Roof bug, sry I was wrong xD

Wait, the problem was going on the railing on the roof? Like standing or going prone and firing from there? That's what made people invisible? Me and Killa were never able to replicate the glitch so we could never test. I was just guessing on things that were causing problems up there.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: TrIn@dOr on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 17:37:42 PM
Excellent, thanks a lot guys!!
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Vanoke on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 17:54:39 PM
Leds say hooah to  Cite block good map love you guy s (if you now what i mean )

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Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 18:34:18 PM
Add server to favourite FTW
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 18:37:40 PM
I'm quite interested with this image in your account:

(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg594.imageshack.us%2Fimg594%2F1782%2Fangrymamai0.jpg&hash=9669e12d59acbdbb6d22ba19452fcc32)
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: KARI-30 on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 20:25:27 PM
Its great that you try to fix bugs and errors dont get me wrong. What I mean is that the roof is now such a disadvantage for the already harder ambush side. Now imagine you are on the roof and you are taking fire, now you even cannot get out of there because of that fence. You have to run from one side all the way across to the other and then again back to the door. And you even cannot lie on the floor because the ground is now flat over the whole area. When you go prone you cannot even see the esc bld 3rd floor because of the fence. You have to go more in front making yourself more vulnerable. Making it better for escort again.
Yes you can decrease the slots to 24 or 26 on the server, but then you are not able to get the bottom B,C on the escort side like it was before. So you are stuck with more IFs making it not balanced like it was before. You could do that you leave the weapon positions as they were and keep the extra ones on the bottom so they can be locked up when the server gets setup to 24 or 26. Not that much to ask.

I am pretty sure you will not change the things like they were before. Like they always were! Because you spent some time doing it so now you dont want them to be trashed. Sometimes you gotta do it. This is the time. Or am I the only one who thinks this?
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 20:39:22 PM
KARI, I'm not sure what you mean by fence. The railing that is there has always been there. The things that were changed was the sunken part of the roof was removed and blocking volumes were put on top of the railings, preventing players from jumping over or standing/crouching/laying on top of them (very unrealistic).

The changes were done that way because nobody here could replicate the problem. If you help us fix the problem, we will try to restore as much of the original map as possible while keeping the bug fixed. The problem was that nobody could describe exactly where the bug happens, provide a video or help us test our fix attempts.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: KARI-30 on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 21:12:02 PM
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These railings were never there :)

The bug happens when you are proning behind those 2 big metal boxes and move a bit to the side. Sometimes you are invisible for a split second. But I have seen it also few times on other maps. I guess thats just the games fault. I have seen it on poolday. I guess there is no way how to solve it. The other bug is when you go prone next to those 2 biggest metal boxes and move forward. Then you couldnt be seen for example from esc stone stairs. esc boxes and the rest of the helicopter roof area. I havent tested it so I dont know if it is still possible or no.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: MothaGoosE on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 21:24:42 PM
Quote from: KARI-30 on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 21:12:02 PM
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These railings were never there :)

The bug happens when you are proning behind those 2 big metal boxes and move a bit to the side. Sometimes you are invisible for a split second. But I have seen it also few times on other maps. I guess thats just the games fault. I have seen it on poolday. I guess there is no way how to solve it. The other bug is when you go prone next to those 2 biggest metal boxes and move forward. Then you couldnt be seen for example from esc stone stairs. esc boxes and the rest of the helicopter roof area. I havent tested it so I dont know if it is still possible or no.

I believe you are referring to the first-person eye level vs third-person eye level. Because the First-person eye level is higher, you can sometimes poke your head out over an object and not be seen. This is just a part of the game. I believe the devs fixed that problem in one of the 2.8 Overmatch versions.

About the rear railing, I agree that the playerblock should disappear. Perhaps a physics volume so players can still jump over it, just not stay on top of it?
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 21:31:33 PM
Wow... My bad, looking at the 2.5 release map, there are no railings. They fit in so well, I just thought they were always there.

So, I wonder if we move those 2 big boxes. Maybe rotate them 90 degrees and move them away from the wall a bit. Looking at the map with behindview, there's horrible collision there and I actually got stuck to where i couldn't move left or right. I think giving more of a gap would make things better.

KARI, would you be willing to test a map if I made a few changes?
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: KARI-30 on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 21:37:46 PM
Sure I can help you. Send me a pm once you need help.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: [HT]-d0n-@-KeIIo- on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 21:39:23 PM
and 100 points for kari!!
srry spanky but the new ww roof is bs.
and why 30 slot of litle hospi i think is to much.
30 slots on recon or stemroler or waht ever is ok but not on hosp
is it possible to get the old map.
them to play on our server.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: MothaGoosE on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 22:01:07 PM
Quote from: [HT]-d0n-@-KeIIo- on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 21:39:23 PM
and 100 points for kari!!
srry spanky but the new ww roof is bs.
and why 30 slot of litle hospi i think is to much.
30 slots on recon or stemroler or waht ever is ok but not on hosp
is it possible to get the old map.
them to play on our server.

Quote from: MothaGoosE on Monday, January 07, 2013, 15:53:26 PM
Solution: limit server capacity to 26 slots. I don't see the problem with more potential for more people to have a good time.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Jason on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 22:01:52 PM
Quote from: [HT]-d0n-@-KeIIo- on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 21:39:23 PM
srry spanky but the new ww roof is bs.

i hate people like you. so rude.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: [HT]-d0n-@-KeIIo- on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 22:33:26 PM
yea i have the slot on 24 players only and this is not so big problem.
and jason srry when i say what i mean.
i respect spankys work on the maps.
and pool is very funny and good map.
and the other new maps to.
but me and kari we play long time hosp and we have test the new ww roof.
and srry it is not so good.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 22:36:29 PM
Thanks for the help Kello.

Just thinking about the bug, I'm wondering if it has to do with client-side vs server-side collision detection. I remember that the server also does collision from some experimenting a while back. The server isn't always accurate though and relies on updates from the client to make things more precise. Maybe with the ledge between the wall and metal boxes on the roof, the server things you're on the lower part yet the client is up on the ledge. This would mean everyone on the server would see the person on the lower part yet the client could shoot and see from the higher part.

Just a thought... I'll mess with it later and shoot you a PM KARI. Thanks.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Petrol on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 02:47:06 AM
Thank you very much, I feel appreciated.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: 1m50ry on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 04:45:49 AM
i think that u shud not change old maps....there is no point in it...ppl love them with all their bugs....
if u want do something try to make new maps--------i think that what aao is missing is a good  map for respawn mission....ppl sometimes are not in mood to play serious and want make some mindlessshooting...

changes in old maps are....uhm well annoying......eliz just imagine i put some new shadows of trees on bc.....


Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: BiG_SerGiO on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 06:48:40 AM
1m50ry you're right, old maps shouldn't be changed but Spanky only tried to correct a bug on the map that was also corrected by the dev's in between some version before 2.8.5, so he didn't do anything new, only tried to replicate what was done before by the dev's.. I'm sure it will be fixed soon.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: KARI-30 on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 06:52:04 AM
I think I know how to fix the bug when people prone and move forwards and wont be seen from the ground. There used to be a little ledge on the on of the wwroof. Make it just a bit taller so people cannot see the ground (esc boxes, esc stone stairs) when they are proning in front on the wwroof next to those 2 biggest metal boxes. So they have to crouch and should be visible from ground. It would give players a little bit more cover making it harder for esc bld players to kill them. Thats the downside. So you can remove the railings on both sides and keep the previous layout of the floor on the roof.

Maybe stupid question... Is it possible to copy, paste the wwroof from the 2.8.5 version where it was all corrected or was this fixed somehow inside the game engine?
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: KARI-30 on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 07:00:23 AM
About the slots. In order to keep the previous weapon layout when the server is locked to 26 players just put the extra IFs in an extra squad all the way on the bottom. So it is not accessible. I recommend doing this also on pipe and urban.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: marten77 on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 08:47:16 AM
Quote from: KARI-30 on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 07:00:23 AM
About the slots. In order to keep the previous weapon layout when the server is locked to 26 players just put the extra IFs in an extra squad all the way on the bottom. So it is not accessible. I recommend doing this also on pipe and urban.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 09:23:48 AM
Quote from: KARI-30 on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 07:00:23 AM
About the slots. In order to keep the previous weapon layout when the server is locked to 26 players just put the extra IFs in an extra squad all the way on the bottom. So it is not accessible. I recommend doing this also on pipe and urban.
This IS this way on Pipeline. (Don't know about Urban)
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Adriatic on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 18:03:55 PM
original poolday was made by ruption, so you can credit him for it. and new changes to hospital are fucking retarded. if you want to change an already existing map call it SF Hospital SE dont just fuck around with the original. there are way to many IF spots now and noobs will never have a chance of getting a C now. plus 26 players is more than enough for a relatively small map like hospital
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 18:19:59 PM
Quote from: Adriatic on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 18:03:55 PM
original poolday was made by ruption, so you can credit him for it. and new changes to hospital are fucking retarded. if you want to change an already existing map call it SF Hospital SE dont just fuck around with the original. there are way to many IF spots now and noobs will never have a chance of getting a C now. plus 26 players is more than enough for a relatively small map like hospital

I'm sure glad you helped us catch these problems in the beta. Oh wait...
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Jason on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 18:35:30 PM
Quote from: Adriatic on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 18:03:55 PM
and new changes to hospital are fucking retarded. if you want to change an already existing map call it SF Hospital SE dont just fuck around with the original. there are way to many IF spots now and noobs will never have a chance of getting a C now. plus 26 players is more than enough for a relatively small map like hospital
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Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Adriatic on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 18:37:26 PM
Quote from: Ganja on Monday, January 07, 2013, 13:20:26 PM
U did great job there. Now I have a question, why is there an rpk on poolday that is closer to blue team than red team? I don't understand why make this unfair lol

its not unfair, its there as a prize. if blue team goes to pick it up they risk getting shot because they cant get out of the little pool except via the little ledge.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Jason on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 18:47:23 PM
just looked at SF Hospital west wing roof for the first time.  I can see why people complain about the back railing. There's only one way to go up and down and thats by the ladder.  Removing that would be great.  As for the railing stopping you from falling off, I don't see whats so bad about it.  It barely blocks your view and its actually realistic.  It's definitely not worth making an account here just to call everyone retards and cry about it. 

I personally have never seen this glitch everyone is talking about.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Adriatic on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 18:57:27 PM
Quote from: Spanky on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 18:19:59 PM
I'm sure glad you helped us catch these problems in the beta. Oh wait...

i'm just a pubber these days and i dont follow any forums. the fact is hospital is the most popular map but the additional slots are useless and ww roof changes are flawed like KARI said. there really is no need to add slots to maps like hospital, urban, tunnel etc. but poolday could use another 2 slots or so.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 18:58:50 PM
Quote from: Adriatic on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 18:37:26 PM
its not unfair, its there as a prize. if blue team goes to pick it up they risk getting shot because they cant get out of the little pool except via the little ledge.

You don't even have to go into the pool to pick it up
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 19:19:49 PM
Quote from: Adriatic on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 18:57:27 PM
but poolday could use another 2 slots or so.

Yea... that's a shitty map, it's not getting anymore slots. If anything, slots would be removed.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: soupcakes on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 01:56:32 AM
never played pool day, but if you remove anything remove bridge
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: MothaGoosE on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 03:07:22 AM
Quote from: soupcakes on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 01:56:32 AM
never played pool day, but if you remove anything remove bridge

lol We'll just remove the bridge, since no motherfuckers cross it anyway. Shoot each other from spawn to spawn. :P
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Azerty on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 03:48:45 AM
thumbs up  :style:
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: jln_br on Sunday, January 20, 2013, 15:29:37 PM
I'm having this problem! How can I solve? Already thanks!
Error verifying system components, check your Firewall/Connection
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: elementx+ on Sunday, January 20, 2013, 16:14:58 PM
Quote from: Spanky on Wednesday, January 09, 2013, 19:19:49 PM
Yea... that's a shitty map, it's not getting anymore slots. If anything, slots would be removed.

ye you call it shitty while its way more popular than your 'shitty' maps! GJ!
more slots for poolday would be great! just accept it.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Sunday, January 20, 2013, 18:07:37 PM
I don't think more slots on PoolDay would help anyone... there's just not enough room for too many more players (OK, maybe like max 8 per side, but definitely not more), if it were 13 vs 13 you could just randomly shoot and hit someone just because there's so many people...
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: Alex on Sunday, January 20, 2013, 18:51:14 PM
Quote from: elementx+ on Sunday, January 20, 2013, 16:14:58 PM
ye you call it shitty while its way more popular than your 'shitty' maps! GJ!
more slots for poolday would be great! just accept it.
Popularity doesn't determine quality. Following your logic AA is the worst game ever and CoD is the best.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: krIz+ on Monday, January 21, 2013, 03:23:00 AM
yea, 32 slots for poolday! cmon this map doesnt need any more slots, its aim/practice map.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Monday, January 21, 2013, 03:24:18 AM
just 10 slots more, 5 each side would be nice. it is almost the same as Shipment, right?
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: zoxee on Monday, January 21, 2013, 03:27:30 AM
don' wanna interrupt ur romantic discussion about poolday  :cool:
but eventhough i updated on 7.20 that "firewall / Components" shit
is getting bad to worse for me... Any suggestions ?
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: [VerteX]$MoNeY$ on Monday, January 21, 2013, 04:06:52 AM
pool day is a nice map add more slots plz
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Monday, January 21, 2013, 04:25:58 AM
Quote from: zoxee on Monday, January 21, 2013, 03:27:30 AM
don' wanna interrupt ur romantic discussion about poolday  :cool:
but eventhough i updated on 7.20 that "firewall / Components" shit
is getting bad to worse for me... Any suggestions ?
should be fixed with new release from today later
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.20 is released
Post by: zoxee on Monday, January 21, 2013, 04:28:39 AM
Quote from: [SWISS]Merlin on Monday, January 21, 2013, 04:25:58 AM
should be fixed with new release from today later

thx Merlin <3