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Title: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: ELiZ on Friday, December 14, 2012, 07:04:17 AM
Today we have rolled out a new version of the Assist Client.
This has been the work of me, Possessed and BiG_SerGiO.

Others that have helped by testing some of the features in a beta are:
[SWISS]Merlin
Spanky
JonnyM
^^UnDiSpUtEd^^

Release Notes:
This version we have concentrated on adding security and enhancing AC efforts.

For Clients:
If on windows7 and you ave problem updating.
First test, "Run as Administrator"
If that don't work, try to start from scratch, delete old files and start over.

For Server owners:
We are checking the checksum of pbsv.cfg, and if don't match, we fix it, this means you cant add you own stuff in there. Additional pb commands can be added by creating ServerMessage.cfg in the "pb" folder and adding them there
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: B@lestra^ on Friday, December 14, 2012, 07:12:34 AM
Thank you, but it would be cool to have something like a changelog or at least a list what has ben improved in comparison to v7.13. I've heard/read somewhere that v7.13 allowed players to use some sort of tweaks which can give one a huge advantage and is not being monitored/detected by 25assist/pb, e.g. no fog/no sand and other stuff.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Friday, December 14, 2012, 07:17:33 AM
I've heard/read somewhere that v7.13 allowed players to use some sort of tweaks which can give one a huge advantage and is not being monitored/detected by 25assist/pb, e.g. no fog/no sand and other stuff.

Leave it behind and don't speak about it.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: B@lestra^ on Friday, December 14, 2012, 07:33:20 AM
Leave it behind and don't speak about it.

Does that also mean, that it is no longer possible with v7.14? If yes, i'm glad, bc i prefer to play against players which will not use any of these 'dirty' sort of tweaks.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Mixk on Friday, December 14, 2012, 07:34:45 AM
Does that also mean, that it is no longer possible with v7.14? If yes, i'm glad, bc i prefer to play against players which will not use any of these 'dirty' sort of tweaks.

x2
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: $cRuMpF on Friday, December 14, 2012, 07:55:03 AM
I just updated to the new version, I played in a few servers but I am getting kicked for Ambientsoundvolume =   0.500000. I says it must include the text 0.25.    I never changed anything in my ini and I dont feel like changing anything to it either. other players in my clan have 0.500000 as ambientsoudvolume aswell but they aint getting kicked or anything like that.

Could you please tell me the issue? is it the update? or do I need to change something.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Bart! on Friday, December 14, 2012, 08:07:11 AM
there are 2 ambientvolumes in your ini, one needs tobe 0.5 other 0.25
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: $cRuMpF on Friday, December 14, 2012, 08:11:36 AM
Thanks bart :)

Still dont know why it was messed up since I never use my ini.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: B@lestra^ on Friday, December 14, 2012, 08:12:53 AM
How can i get access to my ini files with 25assist?
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: BiG_SerGiO on Friday, December 14, 2012, 08:19:01 AM
How can i get access to my ini files with 25assist?

http://aa25assist.sourceforge.net/Data/readme.txt
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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS:
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QUESTION: Where the hell does assist store the game system files and all its data?

ANSWER MAC-OSX: /Users/USERNAME/Library/Application Support/25Assist/
ANSWER LINUX: /home/USERNAME/25Assist/
ANSWER WINDOWS XP: C:\Documents and settings\USERNAME\Application Data\25Assist\
ANSWER WINDOWS VISTA/7: C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\25Assist\
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Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Friday, December 14, 2012, 08:19:36 AM
XP
- Show hidden files and folders
- My Computer
- System Partition
- Doccuments and settings
- Your user
- Applications data
- 25assist
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: wickid on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 04:56:09 AM
change settn on recoil???

since update runs like shit for me, promblems login in servers
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Bart! on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 06:14:22 AM
XP
- Show hidden files and folders
- My Computer
- System Partition
- Doccuments and settings
- Your user
- Applications data
- 25assist
or start "run"  type in %appdata%, there is the 25assist folder.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 07:02:25 AM
Or you could just install Assist to a reasonable place, that is NOT in the AppData folder.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 07:50:25 AM
Thank you, but it would be cool to have something like a changelog or at least a list what has ben improved in comparison to v7.13. I've heard/read somewhere that v7.13 allowed players to use some sort of tweaks which can give one a huge advantage and is not being monitored/detected by 25assist/pb, e.g. no fog/no sand and other stuff.

hi
this with the ServerMessage.cfg does not work with home servers. can you please tell me, where i can put the messages (scrolling text) in (maybe another place in another file?). before this release was done,  i did that in the aa_pbsv.cfg file, but because now aa_pbsv.cfg is controled by checksum and will be overwritten as you told us, it will not work anymore. if there is no other way, could you please insert at the aa_pbsv.cfg a line with a command e.g. pb_sv_load ServerMessages.cfg, witch allowed us to load this file? also would be good for a second one to load the pbss, because the original ones are not that good. i would like to have pbss like this:

//--Screenshot Settings--\\
pb_sv_SsFloor 1
pb_sv_SsCeiling 3000
pb_sv_SsWidth 400
pb_sv_SsHeight 205
pb_sv_SsXpct 50
pb_sv_SsYpct 50
pb_sv_SsSrate 1
pb_sv_SsDelay 3
pb_sv_AutoSsFrom 180
pb_sv_AutoSsTo 1000
pb_sv_AutoSs 0
pb_sv_ssLogging 0
pb_sv_ssTimeout 60
pb_sv_task 0 2000 pb_sv_sswidth 170
pb_sv_task 0 2000 pb_sv_ssheight 482
pb_sv_task 0 2000 pb_sv_SsYpct 3
pb_sv_task 0 2000 pb_sv_SsXpct 3
pb_sv_task 200 2000 pb_sv_SsXpct 97
pb_sv_task 400 2000 pb_sv_SsYpct 97
pb_sv_task 600 2000 pb_sv_SsXpct 3
pb_sv_task 800 2000 pb_sv_sswidth 320
pb_sv_task 800 2000 pb_sv_ssheight 256
pb_sv_task 800 2000 pb_sv_SsXpct 50
pb_sv_task 800 2000 pb_sv_SsYpct 50
pb_sv_task 1000 2000 pb_sv_sswidth 420
pb_sv_task 1000 2000 pb_sv_ssheight 195
pb_sv_task 1000 2000 pb_sv_SsYpct 3
pb_sv_task 1000 2000 pb_sv_SsXpct 23
pb_sv_task 1200 2000 pb_sv_SsXpct 67
pb_sv_task 1400 2000 pb_sv_SsYpct 97
pb_sv_task 1600 2000 pb_sv_SsXpct 23
pb_sv_task 1800 2000 pb_sv_sswidth 320
pb_sv_task 1800 2000 pb_sv_ssheight 256
pb_sv_task 1800 2000 pb_sv_SsXpct 50
pb_sv_task 1800 2000 pb_sv_SsYpct 50
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Pegesus on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 08:10:12 AM
u can load the file while in server as admin
type in console:

admin pb_sv_load ServerMessages.cfg
or
exec ServerMessages.cfg

cant remember which one :p
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: TheBlackGinger on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 09:49:48 AM
Today we have rolled out a new version of the Assist Client.
This has been the work of me, Possessed and BiG_SerGiO.

...

Release Notes:
This version we have concentrated on adding security and enhancing AC efforts.


...

Srsly wat did u do? (https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgit.me%2Fi%2F9d0D5T9.png&hash=979312fc3d648f5d277f6d8d63161eba)

xcept for some CVAR that kept kickin ~80% of the community i dont see any improvement o_o
(1st april is in 106 days)


ps.: that hwid+subnet ip ban is not stronkk nuff men ajajaj))
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Possessed on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 10:03:55 AM
u can load the file while in server as admin
type in console:

admin pb_sv_load ServerMessages.cfg
or
exec ServerMessages.cfg

cant remember which one :p
eh I removed the line that loads this lol, cuz we did not shipped the file with instruction of how to set messages etc, but you can do what Pegasus wrote above.

Quote
178.198.205.170  JOIN-5.9.19.110:1727 -- 02:43 KICKED OUT
uh uh uh Gangnam Style :style:
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: eKC0mm on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 10:11:41 AM
A small assist update won't get rid of cheaters. 2.5 is still a compromised version of the game.

I think when they say "AC update" they mean that they cvar'd more things to limit "tweakers". Its probably more of a pain in the butt than productive in any way.

I just hope they removed the 1 very unfair tweak that did exist.

Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Possessed on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 10:20:02 AM
A small assist update won't get rid of cheaters. 2.5 is still a compromised version of the game.

I think when they say "AC update" they mean that they cvar'd more things to limit "tweakers". Its probably more of a pain in the butt than productive in any way.

I just hope they removed the 1 very unfair tweak that did exist.
updating cvars wont take months you ....
Theres no AC that cant be by passed..
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: dapand on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 10:27:12 AM
I salute the initiative to try and evict cheaters/fag no fog users but I don't think it's possible ^^ someone will always come around with something.

There are some hackers who do code their hacks themselves and just wanna troll the shit out of a game because they like attention and/or the challenge to somehow "break" a code.
There are some competitive players who are willing to use any big fat exploits like no fog or even using only one tool from a hack saying "Yeah cuz everyone at this level uses it" like a steady CEM or some shit like that.
There are cheaters who just use some hacks to annoy people, not because they suck without the cheat, but because they like to troll, feel powerful and just get attention.

I don't feel mad at 'em, it's pretty much what you can expect from people in other domains in life I guess ;)
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: eKC0mm on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 10:31:06 AM
"big fat exploits like no fog"

Doesn't exist.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Koden on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 10:38:49 AM
All the effort and work that Eliz, Possessed and Sergio have done is outstanding and while the visible effects might be more subtle than what you expect there truly are plenty of chances for a cleaner gameplay. 


Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: dapand on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 10:42:22 AM
@ ekcomm It used to exist, why would it not anymore ? If you could explain to me how it's not doable anymore then I would believe you ^^
No fog as in you don't see opponents from 20000 miles, rather they just pop up within the game limits - much more easier to spot enemies before them.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: B@lestra^ on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 10:45:19 AM
I also appreciate the work being done by the admins. I also agree to dapand somehow, he is right, because the will always be such lamers. Imo, the most important factor besides serverside anticheat-work is our community. It's our task to watch players carefully either in the same team or enemy team and spread it via team/globalchat if something seems to be wrong with a player.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: eKC0mm on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 10:56:53 AM
@ ekcomm It used to exist, why would it not anymore ? If you could explain to me how it's not doable anymore then I would believe you ^^
No fog as in you don't see opponents from 20000 miles, rather they just pop up within the game limits - much more easier to spot enemies before them.

Unless your talking about using gamma and brightness settings to see further. Then you would need a hack to remove fog. This can't be done in the .ini's in v2.5. I would never prove an unproven claim false. That doesn't make sense. Rather, you should prove it true. Because if this is possible then the assist admins should know about it.

In effort to stay on topic. Thanks for the Assist update. I'm sure this will only help.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Mixk on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 11:11:48 AM
Yes, Thank you all for the work that you folks have done here and I appreciate the help I have received from BiG_SerGiO when I have asked. I am sure alot of players take it for granted and don't realize the time and effort that goes into making this all happen for us.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 11:38:28 AM
eh I removed the line that loads this lol, cuz we did not shipped the file with instruction of how to set messages etc, but you can do what Pegasus wrote above.
 uh uh uh Gangnam Style :style:

can you put it in again - maybe with the release from january ? would be great.
and maybe something to load it's own pbss configuration too ?
thanks again.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Possessed on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 12:14:24 PM
can you put it in again - maybe with the release from january ? would be great.
and maybe something to load it's own pbss configuration too ?
thanks again.
I added it again, u just need to Stop your server and start it again, new config will be loaded :_)
I also "optimized"(read reduced how much it checks per minute w/e) cvars scans and md5tool, hope ppl get less Ignoring md5tool queries. it was checking 1 file each 15 seconds, now should scan 2 files a minute.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: ^^UnDiSpUtEd^^ on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 12:54:47 PM
Nice to see new assist, and its updates. I be looking forward and hope to check the newest version soon.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: dapand on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 12:59:07 PM
Unless your talking about using gamma and brightness settings to see further. Then you would need a hack to remove fog. This can't be done in the .ini's in v2.5. I would never prove an unproven claim false. That doesn't make sense. Rather, you should prove it true. Because if this is possible then the assist admins should know about it.

In effort to stay on topic. Thanks for the Assist update. I'm sure this will only help.

I'm pretty sure this is on topic since it's an update centered on AC. I'm not talking about gamma and brightness nor about .ini - not about AA25 settings - not talking about hacks either. I'm talking about tweaking your graphic card. And it did exist back in the days, I don't see why it wouldn't now.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: eKC0mm on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 13:19:51 PM
I'm pretty sure this is on topic since it's an update centered on AC. I'm not talking about gamma and brightness nor about .ini - not about AA25 settings - not talking about hacks either. I'm talking about tweaking your graphic card. And it did exist back in the days, I don't see why it wouldn't now.

Honestly, been there done that. Tweaking settings on your card doesn't do too much. Just makes things slightly more defined depending on your eyes. Unless you remove fog (hack) you have no unfair advantage.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Spanky on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 13:38:45 PM
dapand, you might have some legitimate points but even if you're right, there's nothing Assist can do about a third party control panel that manages drivers.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: dapand on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 14:38:50 PM
Honestly, been there done that. Tweaking settings on your card doesn't do too much. Just makes things slightly more defined depending on your eyes. Unless you remove fog (hack) you have no unfair advantage.

No...

dapand, you might have some legitimate points but even if you're right, there's nothing Assist can do about a third party control panel that manages drivers.

Thought so - would have been nice though, to even things up some more.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: dapand on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 14:53:31 PM
208 players, is the game getting more popular ? (I've never seen 208 players)
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 15:48:36 PM
208 players, is the game getting more popular ? (I've never seen 208 players)

I've seen 230.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Ganja on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 16:04:26 PM
Ive seen more, what do I win?
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: dapand on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 16:08:03 PM
nice
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Bart! on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 16:51:22 PM
208 players, is the game getting more popular ? (I've never seen 208 players)
A lot of old palyers have been contacted via facebook which came back to play for the winter league, they also asked their teammates to join which made activity higher.

Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: [Majestic]tidididi on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 16:52:53 PM
Ive seen more, what do I win?

Choose- ini or sound.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Possessed on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 17:32:07 PM
Choose- ini or sound.
lulz
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Ganja on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 20:34:51 PM
Choose- ini or sound.

Most difficult choice since this morning when I had to choose between AA or sleep ...
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: 82nd_DXO_COL=Shad on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 23:05:25 PM
u can load the file while in server as admin
type in console:

admin pb_sv_load ServerMessages.cfg
or
exec ServerMessages.cfg

cant remember which one :p

Admins who run dedicated servers now have to log in and manually load a pb config file to configure screenshots, messages, webadmin, ect.  Watchdog scripts will be not enough to start the server as the admin intends anymore when the server goes down or gets a scheduled cron restart.   I do not see why locking down the server pb config is necessary.  If you must have an uneditable pb config file, perhaps it would be useful at least to have one standard pb_sv_load custom.cfg in there, whether the admin configures it or not...
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: 82nd_DXO_COL=Shad on Sunday, December 16, 2012, 23:36:19 PM
Sorry, I missed Possessed's reply about ServerMessages.cfg.  They are loading automatic with server startup now,  correct? 
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Possessed on Monday, December 17, 2012, 00:14:42 AM
Yes, just make a file with this name on PB folder and put ur things in there :)

file name must be ServerMessage.cfg, no 'S' at 'Message'.

//--ServerMessage.cfg--\\
pb_sv_load ServerMessage.cfg
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Monday, December 17, 2012, 02:55:30 AM
Yes, just make a file with this name on PB folder and put ur things in there :)

file name must be ServerMessage.cfg, no 'S' at 'Message'.

//--ServerMessage.cfg--\\
pb_sv_load ServerMessage.cfg

thank you Possessed
works all fine now  :up:
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Cloud on Monday, December 17, 2012, 07:31:28 AM
A lot of old palyers have been contacted via facebook which came back to play for the winter league, they also asked their teammates to join which made activity higher.

True story
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: marten77 on Monday, December 17, 2012, 08:34:10 AM
True story

hi
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: kaledo on Monday, December 17, 2012, 11:41:41 AM
A lot of old palyers have been contacted via facebook which came back to play for the winter league, they also asked their teammates to join which made activity higher.

Hi all,
i am a web marketing analyst (and also an Italian America's Army old player)
i know is a little bit off-topic but, i tryed to know why "America's Army 2 nostalgic players" don't want play AA2.5 Assist..


these are the "problems" for them. I also asked if they found a free game like AA, and all the people says: "NO".

40% of them now are playing Battlefield 3
25% are playing other multiplayer games (not only FPS)
35% are no playing multiplayer games

The solution is (not simple) "CREATE A SOLID INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY"... How is the problem, we need something to "touch nostalgic players feelings and interest".

Another question is: "Can someone contact the old AAO developers (Virtual Heroes Studios) to create again a FPS like AAO2, maybe using the same source code?

(sorry for my bad eng)

I hope AAO 2 (AA2.5Assist) will return the most played game.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Koden on Monday, December 17, 2012, 14:23:31 PM
Hi all,
i am a web marketing analyst (and also an Italian America's Army old player)
i know is a little bit off-topic but, i tryed to know why "America's Army 2 nostalgic players" don't want play AA2.5 Assist..

  • 1st: there is not a competitive community (Italian community in particular)
  • 2nd: there are few players
  • 3rd: players play always the same maps (bridge crossing and Hospital)

these are the "problems" for them. I also asked if they found a free game like AA, and all the people says: "NO".

40% of them now are playing Battlefield 3
25% are playing other multiplayer games (not only FPS)
35% are no playing multiplayer games

The solution is (not simple) "CREATE A SOLID INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY"... How is the problem, we need something to "touch nostalgic players feelings and interest".

Another question is: "Can someone contact the old AAO developers (Virtual Heroes Studios) to create again a FPS like AAO2, maybe using the same source code?

(sorry for my bad eng)

I hope AAO 2 (AA2.5Assist) will return the most played game.

I think your survey's results seem to offer an answer, basically things changes and evolves with time and so does people. I would love to know why each of those people were after America's Army. Even tho Arma has been around for a while there must be still space for a game like a modern America's Army.

As for contacting Virtual Heroes, they made several games around similar or maybe identical version of the game engine used by AA2, but of course the America's Army client its binded to the EULA (and the source code it's probably going to be partially binded to 3rd parties too):

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2.    Restrictions.
The Software embodies trade secrets and intellectual property protected by United States and international copyrights and other laws and international treaties.  By using the Software, you agree that all rights, title, and interest in the Software, including the copyrights and trade secrets, are the property of the Developer.  You agree not to modify, decompile, disassemble, or otherwise reverse engineer the Software.  In addition, you may not copy, reproduce, distribute, publish, display, perform, modify, create derivative works, transmit, or in any way exploit any part of the Software or associated registered user accounts, except as permitted under this Licensing Agreement.  The Software has been developed for entertainment purposes only and is not designed or licensed for any other purpose.  No rights, title or interest in or to any trademark, service mark, logo, trade name, or any other intellectual property right of Developer or the United States government or its licensors is granted under this Agreement.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: kaledo on Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 03:41:15 AM
I would love to know why each of those people were after America's Army.

As for contacting Virtual Heroes, they made several games around similar or maybe identical version of the game engine used by AA2, but of course the America's Army client its binded to the EULA (and the source code it's probably going to be partially binded to 3rd parties too):

1 mostly the peolpe now are playing Battlefield 40% of them :shock:

2 i suppose that the Virtual Heroes "problem" is that they work only for institutions, gouvernment ecc... it's "EA$$$Y" than developing the best FREE game ever made (of course they can take a lot of money not only with classic micro-transaction's system, but with fee for Honor Servers for example, with Marketing initiative ecc...
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: B@lestra^ on Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 05:21:22 AM
Hi all,
i am a web marketing analyst (and also an Italian America's Army old player)
i know is a little bit off-topic but, i tryed to know why "America's Army 2 nostalgic players" don't want play AA2.5 Assist..

  • 1st: there is not a competitive community (Italian community in particular)
  • 2nd: there are few players
  • 3rd: players play always the same maps (bridge crossing and Hospital)

these are the "problems" for them. I also asked if they found a free game like AA, and all the people says: "NO".

40% of them now are playing Battlefield 3
25% are playing other multiplayer games (not only FPS)
35% are no playing multiplayer games

The solution is (not simple) "CREATE A SOLID INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY"... How is the problem, we need something to "touch nostalgic players feelings and interest".

Another question is: "Can someone contact the old AAO developers (Virtual Heroes Studios) to create again a FPS like AAO2, maybe using the same source code?

(sorry for my bad eng)

I hope AAO 2 (AA2.5Assist) will return the most played game.

Hi kaledo, sounds quite interesting what you have analyzed. If i understand it correctly (referring to your points 1.-3.) then the italian ex-AA2 players won't play AA25, because there is no competitive community anymore, because there are too few players currently playing AA25 and too little servers (mostly Bridge, SF Hospital).

If i got that right i would answer, that those players who are playing AA25 now are mostly competitive, because that are the players most dedicated to the game. Most of them/us are game veterans who know/play the game for years. If i join a server today on AA25 i still have the feeling like playing AA2 to old way, like back in the times when i played v2.8.5. It's not that there is no challenge at all and noobs all around, there is still competition!Today maybe even more than before AA25, because those players who are playing now are kinda map whores. I like it.

To 2.) If ex-players complain that there are too few players playing AA25 then i would say to them: if any veteran AA-player would think like this, then AA2 would be dead today. What we need instead are players who give AA25 a try, actually we could need every single ex-player. That's the only way how we can keep up the game, and laying back doing nothing than complaining won't change anything. I'm glad that i'm one of those 200-300 players who are still attached to the game and keep it alive, but i would have nothing against more players coming back ofc. And that leads to your third point. The more players the more servers/maps we can fill and play. Imo those players judging from a distance that aa25 has too few players/servers should stop complaining and come back instead, because with each single player we can offer more and keep up a vital AA2-community, never as big as in ou best times, but enough to have every day/night some good playing sessions on at least 5-10 filled mapservers. The more players willing to come back, the better it would be.

If you are in contact with ex-players (what i assume when you've made a poll like this), tell them that there is still a vital, competitive AA community playing AA25 and that all we need are players willing to come back - simple as that.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Bart! on Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 06:42:46 AM
There is both pub and competition on aa 2.5 at the moment, every evening you can see locked servers with peopel scrimming and open servers with people pubbing. It might not be as big as it used to be but at least you do have different opponents.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: kaledo on Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 07:22:57 AM
Hi kaledo, sounds quite interesting what you have analyzed. If i understand it correctly (referring to your points 1.-3.) then the italian ex-AA2 players won't play AA25, because there is no competitive community anymore, because there are too few players currently playing AA25 and too little servers (mostly Bridge, SF Hospital).

If i got that right i would answer, that those players who are playing AA25 now are mostly competitive, because that are the players most dedicated to the game. Most of them/us are game veterans who know/play the game for years. If i join a server today on AA25 i still have the feeling like playing AA2 to old way, like back in the times when i played v2.8.5. It's not that there is no challenge at all and noobs all around, there is still competition!Today maybe even more than before AA25, because those players who are playing now are kinda map whores. I like it.

To 2.) If ex-players complain that there are too few players playing AA25 then i would say to them: if any veteran AA-player would think like this, then AA2 would be dead today. What we need instead are players who give AA25 a try, actually we could need every single ex-player. That's the only way how we can keep up the game, and laying back doing nothing than complaining won't change anything. I'm glad that i'm one of those 200-300 players who are still attached to the game and keep it alive, but i would have nothing against more players coming back ofc. And that leads to your third point. The more players the more servers/maps we can fill and play. Imo those players judging from a distance that aa25 has too few players/servers should stop complaining and come back instead, because with each single player we can offer more and keep up a vital AA2-community, never as big as in ou best times, but enough to have every day/night some good playing sessions on at least 5-10 filled mapservers. The more players willing to come back, the better it would be.

If you are in contact with ex-players (what i assume when you've made a poll like this), tell them that there is still a vital, competitive AA community playing AA25 and that all we need are players willing to come back - simple as that.

Once upon a time America's Army 2... and where a big italian community with a Clan Federation... now we have only a Facebook Page called "America's Army ITA - le vecchie glorie" (America's army ITA - The old glories).

I'm trying in these days to wake up the community and my clan... we will see... but i want do more...

and i make a new adv DEM posted here: http://aao25.com/2-5-assist/alot-old-players-don-t-know-about-25assist!/msg37360 (http://aao25.com/2-5-assist/alot-old-players-don-t-know-about-25assist!/msg37360)
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: dapand on Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 13:14:35 PM
AA was at its highest activity peak from 2006 to 2007 (pub and competition), then went slowly dying in the next years ; so that was 6 years ago... The main problem (if you want it to be one) is that people grew ^^ kinda like an era that ends in one's life. I'm not trying to be dramatic or something, but it's true : sometimes you go through something and when it dies for any reason, you don't wanna get back to it as it's over, your time is done with that thing. I see that as one of the reason to not play AA25.

In the 20 years old range, six years can involve loads of changes. Some players were about 16 when they started playing AA, I assume some of them went other places, discovered new things and shit.
Some other players (especially competitive ones) probably don't see any reason to play AA25 again since they won shitloads of trophies in it. I'm pretty sure some players right now want to achieve something in AA, competition wise. I'm not saying everyone plays for title, but when you've won many titles, it's hard to maintain the will of winning.

So within those "nostalgic players", there will only be the ones that love AA/don't like any other game than AA/still have time for AA/want to win competitions.

My guess is, the only chance of having AA25 popular is with a massive campaign to get new players - and certainly not focus on bringing back "old" players because that will be a natural process, friends will bring friends.

I first started playing AA in 2003 because I typed "Free multiplayer game" in a search engine.
There's NO game like AA, plus nowadays, most of FPS are like CoD, which AA is not at all. So that makes one main difference which is a strong point. There's a pretty good chance that if you don't like CoD or CS-like games, you can like AA. And it's totally free !

Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: kaledo on Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 15:12:08 PM

My guess is, the only chance of having AA25 popular is with a massive campaign to get new players - and certainly not focus on bringing back "old" players because that will be a natural process, friends will bring friends.


I agree with your Idea but we need the support by the oldest players and oldest communities. We need a lot of international communities around it.

After that or instead, of course we need to do a massive campaign to get new players  :up:
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: kaledo on Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 15:14:41 PM
This community need a marketing/communication plan, not to sell anything, but to communicate and convey our passion
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 15:57:48 PM
This community need a marketing/communication plan, not to sell anything, but to communicate and convey our passion

This has been said may times in the past by many people. I think people have already done the best they can to get the word out short of paying for advertising. It's great to see attitude like this though.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: JonnyM on Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 16:07:54 PM
If people are anything like me, i love the idea of aa, but when i actually sit down to play it.... i'm bored in 10 seconds, its had its day.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 16:43:36 PM
If people are anything like me, i love the idea of aa, but when i actually sit down to play it.... i'm bored in 10 seconds, its had its day.

This is exactly how I feel.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: kaledo on Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 17:33:33 PM
If people are anything like me, i love the idea of aa, but when i actually sit down to play it.... i'm bored in 10 seconds, its had its day.

 it's also my feeling eh... but imagine if there are a lot of competitions, a lot of servers and players and clans...
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: kaledo on Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 17:37:53 PM
This has been said may times in the past by many people. I think people have already done the best they can to get the word out short of paying for advertising. It's great to see attitude like this though.

trust me... every day, every single day with a friend (on facebook) we try to "feed the flame" with our ex clan m8 and italian community. We also are searching a game that can allow us the same emotions, but till now nothing... we are imprisoned in the memory of the best America's Army period... :cry:
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 17:54:40 PM
trust me... every day, every single day with a friend (on facebook) we try to "feed the flame" with our ex clan m8 and italian community. We also are searching a game that can allow us the same emotions, but till now nothing... we are imprisoned in the memory of the best America's Army period... :cry:

I believe you and that's great that you try to get word of mouth going around. I agree that most all of us are here because we once had a great time in AA and want to recreate those memories. Some are able to, others aren't.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: ifingo on Wednesday, December 19, 2012, 09:23:51 AM
Thanks for the update. Keep making focused efforts to keep this community alive.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, December 19, 2012, 12:58:41 PM
If people are anything like me, i love the idea of aa, but when i actually sit down to play it.... i'm bored in 10 seconds, its had its day.

The thing is that the ammount of people playing the game is small.
I play it couple of hours every day and realize people join always the same map and always the same side. That's what's make it boring in my opinion. I mean you can always guess when someone's joining the server what side he'll choose. You can always guess at what spot the guy is gonna be and so on, that's what makes it boring, the rounds are all the same over and over again, it's sad. That's why we need more players
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: B@lestra^ on Thursday, December 20, 2012, 04:39:50 AM
I can't report something like the things some of you mentioned. I'm still enjoying the game and don't get bored at all. Yea, our player community is small, but that doesn't mean that every round is the same than the round before, that's just not possible. It may happen that certain players behave in a certain way on certain mapy, but that has always been the case. Trying to find workarounds or counter tactics is what still evolve the game.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: Spanky on Thursday, December 20, 2012, 14:20:23 PM
I can't report something like the things some of you mentioned. I'm still enjoying the game and don't get bored at all. Yea, our player community is small, but that doesn't mean that every round is the same than the round before, that's just not possible. It may happen that certain players behave in a certain way on certain mapy, but that has always been the case. Trying to find workarounds or counter tactics is what still evolve the game.

AA has small maps with a couple of ways to travel. You always know where the enemy is coming from and with such a small community, you're playing with the same people. The math says that it will very quickly get repetitive.
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: jln_br on Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 08:40:58 AM
With new version you can play with Windows 8?
Title: Re: 25Assist v7.14 has been released!!!!
Post by: ELiZ on Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 08:49:40 AM
With new version you can play with Windows 8?

Yes