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Community => The Lounge => Hardware/Software => Topic started by: Spanky on Monday, June 28, 2010, 04:22:34 AM
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Not enough money for headphones to be honest and it's quite a bit different than a PVR :)
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Lol. It just looked like one to me. And I just want some Turtlebeaches. They look pro. The PX21 or whatever they are. The knew ones that are sold out within an hour of being restocked.. I swear. Lol. They never have any in stock :\
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I have yet to see a "headset" that is worthwhile. You could do miles better by getting a good pair of headphones and a free-standing mic.
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I don't know.. Those (http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/ps3-gaming-headsets/ear-force-px21.aspx) look pretty damn good.
I've also heard that Astros are really good. But they are a lot more expensive. The headset is 150. That would be these (http://www.astrogaming.com/products/detail/91/A30-Headsets/)
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Let me re-state my previous post. As far as headsets (headphones with a mic attached to be 1 unit) go, Turtle Beach is pretty well known and IMO, in the "higher" end. With that said, You can spend the same amount of money on a separate setup and get better quality. You can go a lot further with your money with headphones in terms of sound quality and build quality than you can in headsets. Whenever buying anything, you gotta remember that part of the money you're forking over is for the name and aesthetics of the product. Not much money in products like that actually trickles down to the quality of the parts that matter (drivers). Gaming products are more of a status and style symbol than they are for function. Anyway, unless you have a desire to discuss this further, I think I'll end my comments here.
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Someone did that:
http://board.mypersianforum.com/showthread.php?t=379725 (http://board.mypersianforum.com/showthread.php?t=379725)
If you get a halfway decent mic, you can get one that you don't have to hold an inch from your mouth so it can sit on your desk.
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First as a former "pro" gaming (lol) I will say turtle beach has a rep for being shit. Breaking at lans and what not. Icemat Siberia's (http://www.steelseries.com/us/products/audio/siberia-v2-full/information) (now known as Steel Series) Are MUCH better for gaming headsets. Ive owned that pair and its a good headset. Now as some one who hates headsets. Grab the Sennheiser 555 and a free standing or clip on mic and go. I know more people that play in the "pro" arenas with that setup than any gaming headphone. My self I use a pair of Beyerdynamic DT770/pro 80ohm and a rockband mic sitting in half a pringles can. The mic use to sit in a cup then I broke the cup(twice) and now its in the can. Ive had more hours playing FPS games where sound is more important than aim than you can imagine (1800 hours in COD4 alone).
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I have tried a decent set of senheiser headphones plus a standalone mic but I just dont like the feeling of ear buds.
Ear buds suck. Did you try any other Sennheiser headphones? I hear the HD600 is really good, I'll probably look to them when I upgrade.
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You won't get the most out of $300 headphones from a computer without spending more than that on a dedicated DAC/Amp. It's not just bass you notice with headphones like that, it's clarity in sound reproduction with crisp and clean sounds, not muddled or distorted. The highs should be pronounced, not shrill or piercing. Mans, if you're going to get a sound card in the future for gaming, either get Auzentech or Asus, nothing else.
Logitech makes average ok stuff, I've never owned a pair of headphones from them and I probably never will. "Gaming" hardware is a joke. Plain and simple. Most of the features that are offered are pointless. But, I can sit here and tell you guys stuff 100 times over and chances are you'll just end up with some kind of headset and Creative sound card. But I'll still try and inform. I'm talking from experience and knowledge.
Just remember a couple things when you go out to buy something audio-related for computers:
- No gaming products. Stay away. (Applies to any gaming product, especially mice and keyboards. Get something that's comfortable, not something that lights up.)
- EAX is the whole driving force behind Creative's gaming cards. It's dead. Don't buy their stuff now unless you like wasting your money on crap and want driver hassles. Game engines these days can render audio easily and add effects in real time using the CPU. The load difference on modern computers is negligable, Creative's cards won't give you a huge FPS boost. Sure, maybe on older games and older computers that they were originally designed for, you'll see maybe a 5% improvement.
- Research and try to test products out at stores. You don't have to spend a fortune to get decent sound, just armor yourself with knowledge on what the crap products are and you'll be good. Go to the Computer Audio section on Head-Fi. There's ALWAYS someone asking "what headset" or "what soundcard" and there's a lot of people to help.
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Under $100, I could sell you my modified Creative X-Fi :)
If you want a sound card (and not an external DAC) then I would suggest the following based upon praise on Head-Fi:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008658%2050010788&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=RATING&PageSize=100 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008658%2050010788&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=RATING&PageSize=100)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008658%2050001315&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=RATING&PageSize=100 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008658%2050001315&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=RATING&PageSize=100)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008658%2050011613&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=RATING&PageSize=100 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008658%2050011613&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=RATING&PageSize=100)
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God damned new egg not shipping to Australia
I could sell you my card if you're seriously interested :) Looks like shipping would be $13.45.
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I don't like the looks of the X-Studio. VIA chipset and 18 Bit / 48 kHz output for analog stereo... kinda screwy. I also don't see anyone recommending it.
I'm not just tooting my own horn when I say my card would be an excellent choice. It's a modified Creative card which puts it equal to or better than the top Auzentech offerings which I'm sure you've looked at. It does everything and the only issue with it affects digital output (I think... I can test it if you get interested).
If nothing else, try and raise your budget up to $150, you'll get better entry units. There's also external solutions:
http://www.nuforce.com/hp/products/iconudac/index.php (http://www.nuforce.com/hp/products/iconudac/index.php)
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I really cant justify spending a lot on a sound card when sound to me is fine as it is. I would also rather have something that isn't modified just in case it fucks up I can return it.
Time for a new pair of headphones then. It's been running for over a year and a half, it's not going to fuck up. Stock Creative cards have more of a chance of fucking up due to the crappy caps they use. Good luck getting support from them. Offer is still there, it's a really solid card :)
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I need some help.. I want some cheap headphones so I can try what that link that spanky gave did.. With the mic and stuff. I don't want to spend that much money so I found 4 headphones that I like but I don't know which ones I want.. All I know is they HAVE to be over the ear headphones. Which one looks better and what not?
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Sennheiser-HD201-Pro-Closed-Back-Headphones?sku=242417 (http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Sennheiser-HD201-Pro-Closed-Back-Headphones?sku=242417)
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/JVC-HARX300-Headphones?sku=584790 (http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/JVC-HARX300-Headphones?sku=584790)
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Nady-QH360-Open-Back-Studio-Headphones?sku=245601 (http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Nady-QH360-Open-Back-Studio-Headphones?sku=245601)
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gemini-DJX05-Headphones?sku=241807#used (http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gemini-DJX05-Headphones?sku=241807#used)
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I got a question does integrated audio chips are any good mine is a 5.1 audio integrated card.... that is why i wonder.!
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Cotton, I would go with the Sennheiser. A lot of people like them but you do get what you pay for and that isn't much. Several people say the Koss KSC-75's are better. I haven't looked much into the Sennheiser models but I've done a lot of research on the Koss KSC-75's and I'll tell you, I'm going to get a pair. They're excellent high-rated headphones. Check prices with Google Products to get the best deal.
Mister, onboard audio sucks. Especially if you use analog output. Digital isn't as bad but it's VERY hard to find onboard audio that doesn't mess with sample rates and converting stuff. You have to think that they only include it because it's cheap and it adds a feature. Onboard graphics & onboard sound, they both suck but are only there to serve a basic function.
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Damn.. Those were the ones that I was hoping no one would tell me to get. I don't think I could add a mic to that very easily. But thanks for your input. I'll take it in :)
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You mean these? (http://www.dontblameyourears.com/prod/P_20091202193027_KSC75_1.jpg)
I think I had a pair.. I didn't like them at all. Lol.
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There's mic's that I know you can clip to the cord. For mic's it doesn't really matter for quality since VOIP isn't anywhere near studio quality but you definitely want to think of headphones first and mic later. You can always hotglue a popsicle stick to your headphones and put your mic on that :P
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Well I was planning on doing the same thing that that tutorial thing you posted did.. And I might even add a little extra so I can use it on my PS3 if I do get it.. But probably not..
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Well I was planning on doing the same thing that that tutorial thing you posted did.. And I might even add a little extra so I can use it on my PS3 if I do get it.. But probably not..
That tutorial, it only works for Beyerdynamic DT770/880/990 headphones. You'd have to adapt another method for any other headphone.
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The only thing that would be different really is how the mic is attached. Not that hard to change the aluminum cut out..
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The Beyerdynamic headphones have a unique mounting design that allows a really nice secure mounting point. Good luck making one for the Sennheiser's.
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That's why I was thinking one of the other ones would of been nicer..
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how about these? They look pretty good :)
Sylvania SYL-NC735
http://www.amazon.com/Sylvania-SYL-NC735-Canceling-Headphones-Silver/dp/tech-data/B001AE1A6I/ref=de_a_smtd (http://www.amazon.com/Sylvania-SYL-NC735-Canceling-Headphones-Silver/dp/tech-data/B001AE1A6I/ref=de_a_smtd)
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I wouldn't trust Sylvania for headphones. NOS tubes maybe... but not headphones.
If you guys have some time, read up on what I'm trying to explain:
http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/504196/disappointed-gamer
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Well seeing as those are WAY out of my price range.. I guess I'll just get Sennheiser HD201's
Thanks guys.
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just so spanky can pull out what little hair he has less
when my money goes into paypal i am looking at these
http://www.plantronics.com/media/media_resources/literature/computer_audio/gamecom777_ps_en.pdf
I knew our discussion was futile. I don't know why I bothered wasting my time.
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I needed a headset so I bought these for $30.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826158082
I know they are not that good of quality but $30 is great price considering it was only $10 more than the shitty headset I had before.
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creative *shudder*
They work fine and are great for $30......
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creative *shudder*
It's the headset part you should be worried about.
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anyone tried the g930s?.
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anyone tried the g930s?.
USB? Wireless? "Surround"? All for $100?
BIG FAT NOPE.
Here's why:
USB means that it will have it's own onboard DAC and while you can get nice DAC's for around $100, that would have to mean that Logitech paid nothing for the rest of the materials and never marked up their product to make a profit. Having a low-quality USB DAC will also amplify grounding and power problems as well as EMI from your computer. Not to mention the DAC in that headset only does 48kHz which is fine but to me, that screams low-grade DAC as most good ones these days will do 96kHz or 192kHz.
Wireless will mean there's a lag. It may not be overly noticeable but there will be some and it adds to the chain of lag events (brain processing, clocks, refresh delay in monitors, etc..). Also, how is the audio transmitted over wireless? Can it pick up interference? Is it a second digital encoding that further reduces quality?
Surround means that there's multiple drivers in each earcup. Now the one thing headphones have against them is their size. Since sound waves are effectively vibrations/pulses in the air, the larger your driver, the more accurately it will produce frequencies especially low ones (that's generally why woofers are much larger than tweeters). Now you're taking a headset that's already crammed for space and you're fitting 2 more drivers in per side. How do you do that? You reduce the size of the driver. There's no way around the physics. Something smaller will push less air and thus not be able to reproduce frequencies as good.
Final nails in the coffin: $100 pricepoint for an all-in-one system. It just won't happen. DAC's will get better and cheaper since they're a solid-state semiconducter but you can't make analog stuff cheaply. If you skimp on the magnet in the driver or the spider or the basket or the cone, it all affects the quality of the sound. You need expensive materials to create a quality product. You can find a pair of headphones for around $100 that sound great or a DAC for around $100 that will sound great but you can't get both crammed into one for that price. Nevermind the mic or surround aspect. The fact that this is a product marketed towards gamers is a dead giveaway that it's crap. Gaming products serve a niche but it's not the enthusiast/quality niche. Just like laptops aren't powerhouses, their first priority is portability.
I suggest everybody looking for a quality setup to head over to www.head-fi.org and browse their Computer Audio section.
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Thx Spank for this very thorough post ;)
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Lol. It just looked like one to me. And I just want some Turtlebeaches. They look pro. The PX21 or whatever they are. The knew ones that are sold out within an hour of being restocked.. I swear. Lol. They never have any in stock :\
you buy any turtle beach check them very closely as tend to be fragile where they pivot and turn. They have decent sound but I have broken four sets from 29.00 up too 100.00
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you buy any turtle beach check them very closely as tend to be fragile where they pivot and turn. They have decent sound but I have broken four sets from 29.00 up too 100.00
You just quoted a post from 3 years ago...
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You just quoted a post from 3 years ago...
must be my old timers kicking in. :o
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Go to local reliable pawn shop i bought a sweet turtle beach x 12 headphones with microphone retails $59.00 for $34.00 nice sound.
Anyone know if you can talk to teammates with microphone while playing AA 2.5 through the game system or do you need Skype or Google to do it?
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Go to local reliable pawn shop i bought a sweet turtle beach x 12 headphones with microphone retails $59.00 for $34.00 nice sound.
Anyone know if you can talk to teammates with microphone while playing AA 2.5 through the game system or do you need Skype or Google to do it?
You do need a 3rd party tool, almost everyone use Teamspeak.
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Sennheiser FOR THE WIN.
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I have the Razer kraken pro's they are the most comfortable headset ever.
But for the mic im have a little bit of trouble with it but sound quality is amazing on these things even though they are analog but for 80$ you can't say anything
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I have the Razer kraken pro's they are the most comfortable headset ever.
But for the mic im have a little bit of trouble with it but sound quality is amazing on these things even though they are analog but for 80$ you can't say anything
I got razer kraken aswell, without a mic tho. Good for AA and music aswell
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Headsets are fail.
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Headsets are fail.
Your are a fail.