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Community => The Lounge => Hardware/Software => Topic started by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 10:42:32 AM
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Hey!
Well I've decided I'm going to buy (or build?) a new PC.
The problem is, I've not been at all up to date with the hardware stuff and wouldn't really even know where to start.
It seems that nowadays, they don't really sell readybuilt PCs (as was the trend the last time I bought one some 10 years ago) and if they do it's usually for an office.
What I want from the computer:
- some game performance - I play a little, but not too much lately
- some computing power - I sometimes run stuff that runs for a couple of days on my old laptop (numerical differential equations and the likes) and it is likely I will need to in the future as well
- multiple monitor capability - helps for a lot of data
- price around 600€
- shippable to Estonia
That's pretty much it. I have a 3 TB external hard drive at home so it wouldn't need a huge one (although a 64GB SSD would be a tad small to my taste).
So all in all, any ideas what to look for? How easy would it be to really build one given the parts? I bet there's tons of videos on youtube on this.
Is there something coming out soon that might make older generation stuff's price go down?
If there's any further questions, feel free to ask.
Any advice and help would be appreciated!
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A team mate of mine does this kind of things (and he's from Tallinn), i think you can contact him at [email protected]
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I don't tend to keep up with the latest stuff for a few reasons; it changes so quick, it's expensive and myself nor my customers want to afford it.
That said, I think there's a new Intel chip coming out. If you can wait, it might be worthwhile to get setup on a DDR4 platform. Nothing wrong with DDR3 but it's being phased out and DDR4 is slowly becoming affordable. As far as an SSD, go Samsung 850 EVO or Pro. The 250GB variants are pretty affordable as well and with a 5 year warranty, you can't go wrong. I'm quite partial to Corsair power supplies. Skip the CX/CS models and go for HX/TX/AX, it will outlive the rest of your computer.
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[quote author=teddy_grizzly_bear link=topic=7074.msg88739#msg88739 date=1429627352]
Hey!
Well I've decided I'm going to buy (or build?) a new PC.
The problem is, I've not been at all up to date with the hardware stuff and wouldn't really even know where to start.
It seems that nowadays, they don't really sell readybuilt PCs (as was the trend the last time I bought one some 10 years ago) and if they do it's usually for an office.
What I want from the computer:
[list]
[li]some game performance - I play a little, but not too much lately[/li]
[li]some computing power - I sometimes run stuff that runs for a couple of days on my old laptop (numerical differential equations and the likes) and it is likely I will need to in the future as well[/li]
[li]multiple monitor capability - helps for a lot of data[/li]
[li]price around 600€[/li]
[li]shippable to Estonia[/li]
[/list]
That's pretty much it. I have a 3 TB external hard drive at home so it wouldn't need a huge one (although a 64GB SSD would be a tad small to my taste).
So all in all, any ideas what to look for? How easy would it be to really build one given the parts? I bet there's tons of videos on youtube on this.
Is there something coming out soon that might make older generation stuff's price go down?
If there's any further questions, feel free to ask.
Any advice and help would be appreciated!
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I now know why you reaseach capabilities are lacking severly lol.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?site=webhp&source=hp&q=ready+built+gaming+computers&oq=ready+built+comp&gs_l=hp.1.3.0j0i22i30l5.1618.5497.0.13970.17.14.0.3.3.0.113.1248.10j3.13.0.msedr...0...1c.1.64.hp..2.15.1157.0.H-dMw7urO4c (https://www.google.co.uk/search?site=webhp&source=hp&q=ready+built+gaming+computers&oq=ready+built+comp&gs_l=hp.1.3.0j0i22i30l5.1618.5497.0.13970.17.14.0.3.3.0.113.1248.10j3.13.0.msedr...0...1c.1.64.hp..2.15.1157.0.H-dMw7urO4c)
Edit by Koden: quoting wall of text not appreciated.
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I now know why you reaseach capabilities are lacking severly lol.
This coming from someone using an HP... Have you ever built one Vegeta?
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You're still so funny, Vegeta.
Of course I did my own research. It wasn't thorough, though. But in any case, when it comes to stuff on the internet, you can't really always trust it. Everyone is partial to some side.
I wanted opinions from those I actually know.
A team mate of mine does this kind of things (and he's from Tallinn), i think you can contact him at [email protected]
I'll hit him up with an email, see what he says. I'll tell him Koden sent me :)
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This coming from someone using an HP... Have you ever built one Vegeta?
I see you moved from the talking sarky to the talking shit mode
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I see you moved from the talking sarky to the talking shit mode
Nice way of deferring the question I asked seriously.
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A team mate of mine does this kind of things (and he's from Tallinn), i think you can contact him at [email protected]
I'm pretty sure I went to the same school as him and I was only 1 class higher, lol.
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i did build many of computers by myself. its not that hard to do.
the only thing you have to look while doing it:
be sure that you connect all the cables at the right places of the motherboard (otherwise you will burn it like i did once several years ago :))
but today, you can read the manuals much better then years ago. and the power supplys are more standard now. so its quite easy to do.
as spanky did tell above, you should take a samsung ssd - this speeds your comp really up on another level - when you do use much read/writes operations. for sure you should also have more then 4GB of RAM - 16GB would be enough for years. therefor you have to use/buy a windows x64 bit operating system, 32bit doesn't support more RAM then 3.2/4GB!
make sure you will buy an intel processor with multiple kernels - its a must for calculating like you wish to do - but also depends on the software you do use for calculating. should be ready for multiple kernel use.
the power supply you do select should be able to support your processor, disk, graphic card. should be something above 500W. and maybe not that noisy like some are. and the cables out there should be removable.
about the graphic card i dont really know, but i would select a nvidia chipset. but not sure with that. with all others i am.
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i did build many of computers by myself. its not that hard to do.
the only thing you have to look while doing it:
be sure that you connect all the cables at the right places of the motherboard (otherwise you will burn it like i did once several years ago :))
but today, you can read the manuals much better then years ago. and the power supplys are more standard now. so its quite easy to do.
as spanky did tell above, you should take a samsung ssd - this speeds your comp really up on another level - when you do use much read/writes operations. for sure you should also have more then 4GB of RAM - 16GB would be enough for years. therefor you have to use/buy a windows x64 bit operating system, 32bit doesn't support more RAM then 3.2/4GB!
make sure you will buy an intel processor with multiple kernels - its a must for calculating like you wish to do - but also depends on the software you do use for calculating. should be ready for multiple kernel use.
the power supply you do select should be able to support your processor, disk, graphic card. should be something above 500W. and maybe not that noisy like some are. and the cables out there should be removable.
about the graphic card i dont really know, but i would select a nvidia chipset. but not sure with that. with all others i am.
Thanks for the insight! :)
I'm having someone look into this for me now (the one Koden suggested), it's less time consuming than getting on top of all the stuff myself. Besides, him being in Estonia and having prior experience also helps.
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Nice way of deferring the question I asked seriously.
Taking in all your recent posts it might take a long time before you actully get a serious answer.
All of my computors are home made. My son is in uni doing 4 years IT.
No I never built one My boy does. And my uncle built all my others.
So wither I built or never built doenst mean I dont know how to advise teddy, Because he was obviously struggling to find any where in the world that does spec builds lol. He trys so hard though. I thought I should help.
It means nothing if I built or never . SO whats your point? Seems like you are also hurt like teddy and searching for anything you can find to bring me down si I look stupid. But your really struggling to do that. Is that the case Spanky? If not whats your point?
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No I never built one My boy does. And my uncle built all my others.
So wither I built or never built doenst mean I dont know how to advise teddy, Because he was obviously struggling to find any where in the world that does spec builds lol. He trys so hard though. I thought I should help.
It means nothing if I built or never . SO whats your point? Seems like you are also hurt like teddy and searching for anything you can find to bring me down si I look stupid. But your really struggling to do that. Is that the case Spanky? If not whats your point?
:S I'm sorry but i beg to differ. And Teddy simply stated the obvious, he was looking for a suggestion from the people over here. Besides, writing what you did it's a long way to go to start another (offtopic) discussion between you and the people you're already discussing with in the other thread. So please keep it all in one, or keep it private.
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I beg to differ :) Maybe you need to reread, if indeed you did read, the obvious.
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I got the help I was looking for. Thanks to everyone who knows what it means to be helpful :)
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Well, something came in the mail for me today :)
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F3Vesu9c.jpg&hash=013178584e59feba7c2db6f45052d8c3)
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CPU (at least not AMD): i5 -> i7
GPU (very bad choice): AMD -> nVidia
RAM: OK
MB (very bad choice): Asrock -> Asus
HD: OK
PS: OK
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CPU (at least not AMD): i5 -> i7
GPU (very bad choice): AMD -> nVidia
RAM: OK
MB (very bad choice): Asrock -> Asus
HD: OK
PS: OK
Of course, if you have the money, go for the best. I built a budget PC.
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CPU (at least not AMD): i5 -> i7
GPU (very bad choice): AMD -> nVidia
RAM: OK
MB (very bad choice): Asrock -> Asus
HD: OK
PS: OK
I'd like to have a nice nvidia powerhouse GPU but my budget won't allow it either. Plus, I don't like the idea of supporting them, they're really shitty with the way they do things. AMD takes the more opensource style of approach with new features and doesn't try to over-advertise and bash the competition.
As far as the motherboard, I don't know that ASRock was a bad choice. Personally, I prefer ASUS but that's because I have experience with them and know them to be quality (stick with what you know I guess). The ASRock boards I have seen haven't been terrible, surely a step up from the crap MSI makes.
As far as the CPU, don't worry about it. I have an Intel Pentium G3258 (shocking that a techie would have such a low end CPU, I know). It seems to do everything I need now that I got away from most games. Sure it's maxed at 100% during startup and some other tasks but when prices come down and I feel like putting money into my computer, I can drop in an i5. You don't have to go i7 or nothing unless you render hour-long HD or higher videos or demand the best 4k experience on the newest games. Even then... I've found memory to be far more important than CPU power. I've got a lowly dual-core but behind it is 16GB of memory and I've never maxed it out.
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What happened to your sofa - did the dog eat it ? :D
Lord-of-War :style:
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Nah, I'm just doing some renovations upstairs and ordered a new sofa, it's still in plastic since the renovations are not yet done - lazy me, huh? :D
Spanky, I'm surprised you didn't start praising the EVO again :D
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All hail EVO!
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That's a nice system. Nvidia is somewhat better than AMD but in the end it might also depend on the games you play. On the other hand, any AMD cpu owners out there? Still got a x6 1055, planning on switching to Intel with a new system this year, tho.
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I'd like to have a nice nvidia powerhouse GPU but my budget won't allow it either. Plus, I don't like the idea of supporting them, they're really shitty with the way they do things. AMD takes the more opensource style of approach with new features and doesn't try to over-advertise and bash the competition.
Yeah, but there's a certain point where buying AMD just doesn't make sense anymore. For one, nvidia has a better product. The GTX 970 has roughly the safe performance (usually better) than the AMD 290x with a lot less power consumption and a lot less heat.
I'd also like to point out that it takes AMD a while to get their cards running well for big new games. I don't blame this on AMD though, as most of these new games are working with Nvidia the whole time and AMD is probably an afterthought for the developers. It just sucks to see how much developers are favoring Nvidia right now.
That's a good PC build though. Spanky will probably kill be for saying this but I honestly would have gone without the SSD and got a better GPU.
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while build it together, be sure you are not static loaded (how do you say, electrical powered). this is the most bad thing which can happen. also be sure that the cpu is correct built in. others is easy.
good luck. and if it makes bad noise while starting the first time .... just run away :D
good luck, good choice you did with the money. I had asrock once, its the budget label of asus. its ok for sure.
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Hello,
The extra percentages don't really matter.
As long as you get a good 30FPS at your monitors best resolution who cares as the rest is not visible.
And yes I have had a super high end machine and now have the lowest of the low, game play is way more important than graphics, and I still get 30FPS.
Steve
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Hello,
The extra percentages don't really matter.
As long as you get a good 30FPS at your monitors best resolution who cares as the rest is not visible.
And yes I have had a super high end machine and now have the lowest of the low, game play is way more important than graphics, and I still get 30FPS.
Steve
For PC gaming it's all about 60 fps. I don't like anything under 60. It looks choppy to me.
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50's about the cutoff for me, 60 with vertical sync is expert though.
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teddy, is the comp running now?
and tell us about your feelings - with a midi tower comp now and not a notebook :)
try also to install aa4 and have a look how it works. go to our server an aa2 maps and - enjoy the graphics :)
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50's about the cutoff for me, 60 with vertical sync is expert though.
60 fps on a regular 60 hertz screen is fine, BUT quality screens supporting higher frequencies are pretty nice anyway... once in a while i still play on my 15 years old Nec CRT which has a maximum75 hertz refresh rate. :P
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Noob teddy should of let me know you where buying parts probably get what you got all for $350.00
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60 fps on a regular 60 hertz screen is fine, BUT quality screens supporting higher frequencies are pretty nice anyway... once in a while i still play on my 15 years old Nec CRT which has a maximum75 hertz refresh rate. :P
60 hertz screen can give you max 30 FPS.
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60 hertz screen can give you max 30 FPS.
Got some research to back that up? Hertz is a per-second frequency. 60 hertz = 60 times a second, 60FPS is 60 frames a second. If vertical sync is enabled, the frames are synced with the monitors refresh rate (typically 60hz) for a max of 60FPS.
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60 hertz screen can give you max 30 FPS.
lol, no. 60hz means it shows a max of 60 fps. Have you ever wondered what v-sync does? It locks your framerate to your monitor's refresh rate, hence for most people it's at 60 fps. Spanky beat me to it though.
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Hello,
Interlaced maybe?
Steve
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teddy, is the comp running now?
and tell us about your feelings - with a midi tower comp now and not a notebook :)
try also to install aa4 and have a look how it works. go to our server an aa2 maps and - enjoy the graphics :)
Was on a bicycle trip this weekend so haven't had the time to play with it too much yet :)
But 110 km upwind in 5h is also a good feelind :D
EDIT:
And wickid, you should have looked on this thread and would have known, I don't have to spell everything out for you, do I? :D
Besides, do you know the shipping costs for all that across that big ocean?
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Got some research to back that up? Hertz is a per-second frequency. 60 hertz = 60 times a second, 60FPS is 60 frames a second. If vertical sync is enabled, the frames are synced with the monitors refresh rate (typically 60hz) for a max of 60FPS.
Image is not generated in its entirety, but divided into two: first the even numbered lines (horizontal) are generated, then the odd lines (horizontal). The number of FPS you see in any test is just the response 'READY' sent by GPU - this does not mean, in fact, the number of displayed full images.
As for 'back that up': I am able to fix (kind of ...) electronic equipment - include PC stuff.
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Image is not generated in its entirety, but divided into two: first the even numbered lines (horizontal) are generated, then the odd lines (horizontal). The number of FPS you see in any test is just the response 'READY' sent by GPU - this does not mean, in fact, the number of displayed full images.
As for 'back that up': I am able to fix (kind of ...) electronic equipment - include PC stuff.
What you're talking about is interlacing, something not done for video games. FPS is a measure of the frames being generated by the graphics card and you're right, it has no bearing on how many frames you actually see on the screen. This is why any FPS above your monitors refresh rate is pointless and actually causes tearing. V-Sync fixes that by waiting until the monitor has finished drawing the frame, then sends the next frame rendered by the GPU to the buffer. The monitors refresh rate is to draw one whole frame, not part of one. This means that if you have a 60hz monitor and use V-Sync, you are seeing 60 whole frames every second (if your GPU can render it).
The response time is different, that's a single pixel being changed, usually from grey to grey which is a mostly meaningless measurement since that's the quickest response time the monitor will ever have. Changing from one color to another takes considerably longer. However, the response time of a monitor is much quicker than refresh rate. This is why it doesn't really matter to find a 1 or 2ms response time for a 60hz monitor, 5ms is perfectly fine.