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America's Army => General Chat => Topic started by: Sirhan on Saturday, August 24, 2013, 18:07:05 PM
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Hi all!
I have recently read a post talking about players leaving the game- which i'm also about to(not threatening simply disappointed).
but before i leave, i will try and do something like pointing out what i believe your mistakes are.
1) you are constantly updating the game, without me(the end user) seeing any significant real change in the game, beside bugs like :getting kick for being idle while i'm not
unauthorized log in.
and many others.
2) Hackers are not kicked and keep on playing in front of admins
3) Admins are laying down doing nothing(i assume- playing with console)
4) Super noobs campers are running backward, right when game starts, to hide in a house, and we always have to wait for them cause all they want is simply to survive the round, instead of killing or getting objective _
5) last but not least
I've been playing the game since 2004. why do you think i should take the training now?
there should be an option for us tot skip the training! :?
hope you will mind.
Sirhan
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Bye!
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haha whats spanky is saying...
a lot of arguments you throw in are ur personal/in server problems, u cant blaim the assist administration for that.
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Exactly.
It's not our fault you're not coming here to read the news and see the work that's being done. It also means you're not here to vote in what gets changed/implemented.
It's also not our fault that there are campers, what can we do about that?
The only thing we can do is ban hackers and I didn't see any proof in your post so what do you expect us to do?
As for training, I had an old account that had training done but in Assist showed no training. Guess what I had to do? Complete training.
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BB Sirhan, have a good real life. Hello Kitty game would be awesome for you.
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Nobody can change anything without expecting a little group of people disagreeing with it. All the updates are usually minor things if you look at them seperately, but all together they're quite a change, and for me personally in most cases a big improvement.
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boo I also hate noob camper spanky, plz do something about that!!
ban all noobs maybe? haha
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It's also not our fault that there are campers, what can we do about that?
Actually, I might have an old mod somewhere that was a camper deterrent. I'll pass it to ELiZ & Possessed, see what they think of it.
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Bye!
+100
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boo I also hate noob camper spanky, plz do something about that!!
ban all noobs maybe? haha
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start with bollie :D :D
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Im probably one of the few that actually agree with the op, probably not in the sense that your killing the game, but you are making it hard for new and old players to enjoy it.
Lets take a look back at some old posts about taking assist to 2.8.5, not very many people supported the idea, mainly those behind the assist poject, what if this and what if that and mac blah blah blah. Yet here we are using the sai from 2.8.5, digi camo from 2.8.5. rolling back maps ect ect, where will it go from there.
As for the training yes its a great idea, but like the op i did mine way way back in 2002 and passionately played the game for a solid 10 years, do you really want me to do it again, in some way i find that degrading to old school or veteran players, however you want to put it, personal opinion maybe but im sure alot of others would agree.
I fully support the assist project and what its trying to do, yet i worry for the future of it. Yes i am part of the "team" but i choose to take a back seat and watch whats going on, some of the forum posts and reply ive seen have been very abusive towards users and i see alot of discrimination, again personal opinion, but if i see it like that then others do too. ;) :oops: ;)
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Complaining about the new updates...but you talk about servers....that admins have nothing to do as well as with those updates.
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u won't be missed, so u can now uninstall
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The admins will figure this out...patience people.... :up:
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We would have moved to 2.8.5 had it been possible. From what I remember the vast majority of users supported the idea which is why ELiZ put fourth so much effort in the first place.
He ran into a brick wall and his efforts weren't leaving enough time for his personal life so he dialed it down a few notches. From my standpoint, it was relatively quick for him to port the SAI and digital camo (fixing the bugs took the longest) and the users wanted it so why NOT do it? It's less reasons for the 2.8.5 fanboys to ignore this brilliant project. The only advantage they have is AI and that will likely change in the near future. The whole point of doing these updates is to get the whole AA2 community on a common ground instead of having the 2.8.5 players split off. All these updates are optional (maybe not the digi camo) so there shouldn't be any complaining.
Again, on the training, yea, it sucked to have to do it again but in reality it didn't take much time and I kind of doubt Jonny will implement something to "grant" players training, he would have done it already.
Before I lose my fucking head again, there's one thing all you players can do to help yourselves out. Come here often. Pay attention to the news. Pay attention to the discussion. You want a say in what's going on? Come here and be a part of it! Don't just come here afterwards to complain. Without you, the players, the game doesn't exist. Without us, the devs, the game doesn't exist. Let's work together to take this as far as it can go. Get involved, be patient and have some understanding. That's all.
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Hi all!
I have recently read a post talking about players leaving the game- which i'm also about to(not threatening simply disappointed).
but before i leave, i will try and do something like pointing out what i believe your mistakes are.
1) you are constantly updating the game, without me(the end user) seeing any significant real change in the game, beside bugs like :getting kick for being idle while i'm not
unauthorized log in.
and many others.
2) Hackers are not kicked and keep on playing in front of admins
3) Admins are laying down doing nothing(i assume- playing with console)
4) Super noobs campers are running backward, right when game starts, to hide in a house, and we always have to wait for them cause all they want is simply to survive the round, instead of killing or getting objective _
5) last but not least
I've been playing the game since 2004. why do you think i should take the training now?
there should be an option for us tot skip the training! :?
hope you will mind.
Sirhan
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LJEyWpJ0Vw&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
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been watching this bashfest from a distance now for a while, and i gotta say, shit never changes. Eliz has made a hästjobb getting this port complete and working, so kudos for that. AA has always been like this, fuck i remember when the new ironsights were introduced, people went fukcing crazy, and it didn't take 1 week for a new patch to come out back then, it took 4 months. So the fast improvements and swift actions this "dev" team is taking is just wonderful to watch. And without any payment at all. Regarding the newest SAI thingie, it might have been a mistake if i express my own opinion, since it feels like the problem that came afterwards was like a avalanche effect caused my the SAI implement, having this said i have no clue about programming or what it takes to implement something from 2.8.x into an older version with older codes and shti like that.
But all in all, you're all doing a great job, and to the people who claim that you fuck the game up, just sit down and wait, it'll get better, it always has been and will continue to be so untill everyone is satisfied....Or not.
To quote [Dev]Abraxas "if someone gave you a pile of gold, you'd complain it was too heavy"
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it didn't take 1 week for a new patch to come out back then, it took 4 months. So the fast improvements and swift actions this "dev" team is taking is just wonderful to watch. And without any payment at all.
I was going to mention this but decided not to. I'm glad you did though. We have less tools, less knowledge, less manpower yet we're pushing out updates faster than the devs ever did.
Some people may accuse us (me mostly) of not being able to take criticism. That's not right to say. There's a big difference between opinion & suggestion versus blatant complaining and hate. It doesn't bother me if someone doesn't like a feature that gets implemented. Hell, I'm usually the first one that suggests "let's add an option to turn it on/off" because you want to cater to as many users as possible.
But when people like Dav3 and Sirhan come here with the sole purpose to complain and tell us we're killing the game and that we fucked up, it solves absolutely nothing. Pure complaints, never any suggestions or offers to help. Fact is, people like that don't know about the work being done. They don't know what it's taken these past 6+ years to get Assist to where it is today. Hell, I don't even know.
Yes, the SAI was a catastrophic mess but we're human and it was an easy mistake. Smoke helped ELiZ fix the issues and get new builds out. He was around the UScript scene back when it was the main method of coding mods & hacks back in the day. He knows a lot about UScript and said this to me the day we were testing the SAI and releasing fixes:
theres 2 other functions
that will eff up too
They call Mycontroller
which is set in post render
if ViewPortOwner.Actor and Viewportowner.actor.pawn are valid
which they arent if your dead
causing the CE
because even though it shouldnt
its trying to call SetFOV();
ClearFriendsAtRoundEnd();
ClearEnemiesAtRoundEnd();
Im saying its a simple mistake
That could be made by anyone
Something i've done dozens of times
I have no idea what that means but I know know that as a coder, everybody that writes code makes mistakes from time to time. Does it mean they're not good at what they do? Absolutely not.
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Sirhan, you come here to complain about campers, not real smart of you. But tell you what. Something that is killing the game right now, in my opinion, are guys playing the same map over and over again, becoming mapwhore, making it impossible for newcomers to kill anyone on a map where people played already 5000 hours on it. Now you can stop playing Border, go on poolday or urban or whatever and there will be less campers, tadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Before I lose my fucking head again, there's one thing all you players can do to help yourselves out. Come here often. Pay attention to the news. Pay attention to the discussion. You want a say in what's going on? Come here and be a part of it! Don't just come here afterwards to complain. Without you, the players, the game doesn't exist. Without us, the devs, the game doesn't exist. Let's work together to take this as far as it can go. Get involved, be patient and have some understanding. That's all.
This might be too much asked for a big part of the players. Sad but true, people are acting passively about this. They are closing their eyes on what's going on with AA. I'm pretty sure a lot of them don't even know where assist comes from or whatever. They just come here when something changed in their old habits, instead of coming here before, to try and give their opinion about eventual changes.
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oha I kill the game because I play hosp? BURN IN HELL nub! :D :D :D :D
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AA would be so awesome if everybody at least tried all the maps ...
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I have to agree, there are some fantastic maps that never get played. And when you do play them its like everyone is levelled out, everyone has roughly the same amount of skill because everyone is new to that map. I had a few friends who were just too lazy to learn new maps and they got bored of the game, well if you only play bridge you will get bored.
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Exactly, but it's also boring for the others, that are average on all maps, to play against map whores that know everything about the map
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Way too often ppl seem to complain about the game and updates without realizing it's the (certain type of) players that "ruin" the game. Assist team has ruined the game for sure, they have kept it alive...
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I have to agree, there are some fantastic maps that never get played. And when you do play them its like everyone is levelled out, everyone has roughly the same amount of skill because everyone is new to that map. I had a few friends who were just too lazy to learn new maps and they got bored of the game, well if you only play bridge you will get bored.
That's whats happening to the current players. Everyone plays pipeline, bridge, hosp and ua. I asked the players on our full server for a map change. Result: They want UA or stay pipe -,-
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Only thing thats really really annoying atm is the same error i keep getting. And it shuts down assist and the game.
An exception of class OutOfBoundsException was not handled. The application must shut down.
Never had that before till now.
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Can you submit a bug report.
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Topic: You are killing the game
I think, guy have made a point...
...and this:
Bye!
..or this:
u won't be missed, so u can now uninstall
...not helping - is not a way out of the situation.
Anyways:
...We have less tools, less knowledge, less manpower yet we're pushing out updates faster than the devs ever did...
I'm almost proud of you guys ( :up:), but 'fast' doesn't mean 'good' ( :down:). You should take your times to test new stuff before final release - if not, a situation like this will not be the last ...
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You should take your times to test new stuff before final release - if not, a situation like this will not be the last ...
I've said it many times, we do test but there's only so much a couple of us can do. The last major SAI bug was only replicable in a server with a lot of people. The issue never came up in our limited testing. We've asked the users to test but the last public beta wasn't used much.
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Always you can run separate test server with new mod and special name in it (i.e. SAI_Test), then ask the people on the forum to join for testing (server should send automatically this mod to the client...).
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That's exactly what we did. The news post for Beta 0.30. All they had to do was download a new version of Assist that would download the necessary beta files. They didn't need a secondary installation or anything, maybe 10MB in files and join the dedicated beta server. I think there were 10 of us that did but I never saw anyone else on.
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yeah, where have u guys been? There was a test server for beta posted for EVERYONE to test. and it seemed like everyone was to busy playing the non-beta version. Then those that didn't play beta (to help detect bugs) come in here with attitudes cause there's a few bugs. Maybe help pitch in a lil bit next time :D
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i still dont get why players who have played this game for about 12 years have to do all the training again.
this will bring a loss of many players.
whats the difficulty to change that setting?
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i still dont get why players who have played this game for about 12 years have to do all the training again.
this will bring a loss of many players.
whats the difficulty to change that setting?
Simple, new database new start clean slate for everyone. Also if you worried about the training and want to by pass it, well by pass the game, this is not the one for you. Complaining about changes that are not due to the game being made playable, but due to changes because the original DB is not available is really stupid. If your have been playing as long as you say you have, you must be at least an adult. Act like one and accept it as part of the game being made playable again and enjoy. That simple, not that stupid to be complaining about.
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accounts created prior to jan 2012 do not need to do training again.
your account was created feb 2013 therefor you need to do training.
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accounts created prior to jan 2012 do not need to do training again.
your account was created feb 2013 therefor you need to do training.
I see now why I didn't qualify...
Tracked since: 12.01.2012 (597 days)
So cheap man.
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i still dont get why players who have played this game for about 12 years have to do all the training again.
this will bring a loss of many players.
whats the difficulty to change that setting?
cause it was 2 easy just to make a account, now atleast u have to go through steps to get a acct which is good