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America's Army => General Chat => Topic started by: zibi on Tuesday, January 14, 2014, 02:53:34 AM
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Hello guys,
I have big problem because i hear very bad in my headphones with soundcard x-fi xtreme gamer. I think I haven`t got a good Graphic EQ. Did you can send me your eq or refresh post with member revuka when he added his settings ?
Regards, zibi.
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This is the post of the year. You're activated since a bit more than 10 days, you hold a frag above 2 with more than 30 kills per minutes. Your gameplay is very fishy and I noticed you were able to hear A LOT already.
What you ask is hear from spawn to spawn without smokesound? Ask your country-fellow about it
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Hello guys,
I have big problem because i hear very bad in my headphones with soundcard x-fi xtreme gamer. I think I haven`t got a good Graphic EQ. Did you can send me your eq or refresh post with member revuka when he added his settings ?
Regards, zibi.
You already hear a lot, hearing more is pointless just to gain advantage. I knew you had such a soundcard when played with you on urban. I bet you also tweaking/exploiting sound or something similar by the reports of one of the admin.
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Hello guys,
I have big problem because i hear very bad in my headphones with soundcard x-fi xtreme gamer. I think I haven`t got a good Graphic EQ. Did you can send me your eq or refresh post with member revuka when he added his settings ?
Regards, zibi.
the only difference eq makes is that you can make some frequencies of sound lower and others higher. In no way does this affect the fact that you can apparently hear bad.
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Hi zibi, you can check it here:
http://aao25.com/general-chat-90/americas-army-sound-tweaking/ (http://aao25.com/general-chat-90/americas-army-sound-tweaking/)
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Don't use an EQ and get a good pair of headphones = problem solved.
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it's a good soundcard but the eq-mode which claims to exaggerate footstep sounds is not worth using it. it just makes the game sound like you have a nasty ear infection. just play. if you're bad, this driver will not make you pro. if you are good, it will still not make you pro.
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Works pretty good for me...
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fshartley.net%2Fpictures%2Faa-xfi.jpg&hash=bcfca381047a1d9e26d485616a3ecb5e)
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Works pretty good for me...
http://shartley.net/pictures/aa-xfi.jpg (http://shartley.net/pictures/aa-xfi.jpg)
*facepalm* I hate AA players.
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*facepalm* I hate AA players.
We know. Obviously all aa players do this.
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Well, some of us old farts are hard of hearing :?
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We know. Obviously all aa players do this.
Personally i never liked messing my sound up :/ i do play with audio set almost to max, tho (on some PvP games), and i only use headphones.
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Personally i never liked messing my sound up :/ i do play with audio set almost to max, tho (on some PvP games), and i only use headphones.
Lol ya I was being sarcastic, I guess its hard to tell.
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My sound sucks pretty good. I don't know why, when I played 2.8.5 ver it was good but now ... BiG_SergiO this link to downlad this pack is disable, please refresh :(
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My sound sucks pretty good. I don't know why, when I played 2.8.5 ver it was good but now ... BiG_SergiO this link to downlad this pack is disable, please refresh :(
The original link isn't mine, you should ask Revuka,PM him on forums or reply to his youtube video.
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*facepalm* I hate AA players.
im gonna go out on a limb here saying what everyone is thinking. wtf are you admin for then?
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wtf are you admin for then?
I like being admin :) I like this game too, it's just a pity that the players turn it into shit.
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If you had read what he's posted in other thread, you'd know the answer to this. He's stated it more than once.
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If you had read what he's posted in other thread, you'd know the answer to this. He's stated it more than once.
Ya well it isn't the best to have an admin constantly insult all the players of the game based on what a fraction of them do. It's highly unprofessional and pretty ignorant too.
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Ya well it isn't the best to have an admin constantly insult all the players of the game based on what a fraction of them do. It's highly unprofessional and pretty ignorant too.
Well I don't see him constantly insulting anyone, let alone all the players.
But I guess you could say I'm biased for whatever reason.
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Ya well it isn't the best to have an admin constantly insult all the players of the game based on what a fraction of them do. It's highly unprofessional and pretty ignorant too.
This isn't a professional environment, I don't get paid to be here. I'm here for the fun of it. I handle myself professionally in professional situations.
I wouldn't say a "fraction" of users tweak and glitch, the Assist logs alone tell otherwise and that's just the people that have gotten kicked for cvar checks, there's plenty more that go undetected. I don't play often but when I do there is at least 1 person in the server that I can tell is messing around whether it's fastswap or hotkey binds to empty clips faster. There's many things that I can't see as well like brightness, detail settings, shadow settings, equalizers.
While I could blame the Unreal engine for being so customizable, ultimately it's the users that choose to mess around with these settings so they can play better. It's sad and it ruins the game.
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This isn't a professional environment, I don't get paid to be here. I'm here for the fun of it. I handle myself professionally in professional situations.
I wouldn't say a "fraction" of users tweak and glitch, the Assist logs alone tell otherwise and that's just the people that have gotten kicked for cvar checks, there's plenty more that go undetected. I don't play often but when I do there is at least 1 person in the server that I can tell is messing around whether it's fastswap or hotkey binds to empty clips faster. There's many things that I can't see as well like brightness, detail settings, shadow settings, equalizers.
While I could blame the Unreal engine for being so customizable, ultimately it's the users that choose to mess around with these settings so they can play better. It's sad and it ruins the game.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that your opinion is not justified, it's just very annoying to the people the don't tweak and stuff to watch you trash the entire community over and over because of those who do.
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I played for years and never tweaked my ini's much at all, nothing secret, just the basic memory and sound channels. However if you spend a lot (back in the day obviously) on an xfi or other good sound card I see no reason not to get the best usage out of it for your money. I always changed my eq and other available settings on the software. If people are fine with old onboard (and if u have a newer board then its usually better than the old xfi ) and don't want to pay some cash for something better that's on them, but don't judge a guy for having better stuff or the option to be able to optimize it better.
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I played for years and never tweaked my ini's much at all, nothing secret, just the basic memory and sound channels. However if you spend a lot (back in the day obviously) on an xfi or other good sound card I see no reason not to get the best usage out of it for your money. I always changed my eq and other available settings on the software. If people are fine with old onboard (and if u have a newer board then its usually better than the old xfi ) and don't want to pay some cash for something better that's on them, but don't judge a guy for having better stuff or the option to be able to optimize it better.
There's a difference between buying hardware to have better sound, and abusing the eq system to get crappy sound, but sound that gives you an unfair advantage in AA.
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There's a difference between buying hardware to have better sound, and abusing the eq system to get crappy sound, but sound that gives you an unfair advantage in AA.
But the difference is anyone that has an eq can do it, you just drop the lows and raise the mids.. Do away with all the bass. Ya it sounds really bad, but I never made mine sound tinny, hurts the ears. The main thing was that it could power your good headphones better and just be "louder" so obviously now your hearing better.
The really bad thing about being able to turn it up louder was the crappy XFI caps. Those random snaps and pops would scare you right out of your chair.
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This isn't a professional environment, I don't get paid to be here. I'm here for the fun of it. I handle myself professionally in professional situations.
I wouldn't say a "fraction" of users tweak and glitch, the Assist logs alone tell otherwise and that's just the people that have gotten kicked for cvar checks, there's plenty more that go undetected. I don't play often but when I do there is at least 1 person in the server that I can tell is messing around whether it's fastswap or hotkey binds to empty clips faster. There's many things that I can't see as well like brightness, detail settings, shadow settings, equalizers.
While I could blame the Unreal engine for being so customizable, ultimately it's the users that choose to mess around with these settings so they can play better. It's sad and it ruins the game.
wow man, what im saying is, how can you be an admin if you obviously have no knowledge of how the game works, sure you know the coding in and out but you obviously missed out on some essential parts of AA. Let me work things out for you.
Calling fastswap a glitch, bug or whatever you choose calling it is like saying doubletap W = Run is bugising and unfair because you can actually doubletap w and press your designated run button at the same time to get the weapon animation to bug out and not drop down. Fastswap is there, for everyone to use it, it makes you swap things faster, yes. But nothing is stopping you from using it, adapt mate.
Hotkey binds im with you on, but you probably have a totally diffrent understanding on what hotkeys are, and what "advantage" they give a player. Like when you tried removing scroll=fire for singleshot spamming, you added the time between shots in singlefire mode but "forgot" to do the same on burst, hence you obviously created a problem out of a non excisting one. You empty your clip with with scrollfire, and burstmode like 0.5 seconds faster, which don't make a diffrence at all. Someone being shot by scrollfire would still get owned in normal fireing mode.
Brightness and colorcorretion is totally one of the best things to use in this game, the default colors in this game, which are usually in the colorspectra which I don't see since im multi colorblind, gives OTHERS an unfair advantage over me, i take the liberty to "OMGWTF TWEAK" the shit out of my colorcorrection to adjust the contrasts, lineing and rendering, making it even possible for me to see an enemy which is standing infront of a grey wall (north hallway weapons cache is perfect example, opfor colors on that map and the grey walling makes the enemies invicible for me more or less) Tweaking graphics don't make you see any further, same goes for monitor settings. It makes you see things clearer and removes some of the bad pixel rendering on sertain maps.
And finally, the XFI tweaking. This is absolutley rediculous that you honestly belive that it gives me an unfair advantage. It gives me an advantage, but this is in no way or form unfair, has never been and will never be. Me having a lowkey keyboard, meaning the keys don't stick up as far, but more like a laptop kind of keyboard; will make it possible for me to swap directions, lean and press keys faster then if you would have, say a standard lenovo keyboard. Exactly the same thing, it's up to everyone how they want to have their gear set, it ain't unfair, it's adapting and gaining an edge. We shoot eachother in this game, we compete against eachother on every server we join, you or him. If you wanna sit down and sing kumbaya and make everyone join hands, so be it. It don't make it right though. Soundsettings are the perfect example and the only advice I ever give players struggling with the game, get a better soundcard. AA is built on sound, it has molded the gameplay and will continue doing so.
If you are bad at this game, which no pun intended you are, you obviously don't get this. You have the frustration after being shot, instead of adapting you try changing shit so that it's equal for everyone. Games will never be equal.
I like being admin :) I like this game too, it's just a pity that the players turn it into shit.
This being your opinion, and mine being that with that kind of thoughts, you as admin will ruin the game. We will have to agree to disagree, but you being admin sets you in a higher position to actually manage and influince the community. According to your own intrests.
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Sound does give you an unfair advantage, when you haer weaponclicks all over the map or barely hear smoke-sounds. It's up to everyione to choose how they want their gear set? So people choose to use macros to shoot faster, it's ok. People create hacks to see enemies threw wall it's ok. Only thing that matters is competition.
I think extreme soundtweakers are pathetic, and I know a few, but nothing could ever be done against it.
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wow man, what im saying is, how can you be an admin if you obviously have no knowledge of how the game works, sure you know the coding in and out but you obviously missed out on some essential parts of AA. Let me work things out for you.
Calling fastswap a glitch, bug or whatever you choose calling it is like saying doubletap W = Run is bugising and unfair because you can actually doubletap w and press your designated run button at the same time to get the weapon animation to bug out and not drop down. Fastswap is there, for everyone to use it, it makes you swap things faster, yes. But nothing is stopping you from using it, adapt mate.
The fact that it's there and everyone can use it does not make it 'not a bug'. It's still a bug. A bug is when something happens in the game that shouldn't. And you shouldn't be able to take out a frag or a flash or change a weapon faster than intended.
Brightness and colorcorretion is totally one of the best things to use in this game, the default colors in this game, which are usually in the colorspectra which I don't see since im multi colorblind, gives OTHERS an unfair advantage over me, i take the liberty to "OMGWTF TWEAK" the shit out of my colorcorrection to adjust the contrasts, lineing and rendering, making it even possible for me to see an enemy which is standing infront of a grey wall (north hallway weapons cache is perfect example, opfor colors on that map and the grey walling makes the enemies invicible for me more or less) Tweaking graphics don't make you see any further, same goes for monitor settings. It makes you see things clearer and removes some of the bad pixel rendering on sertain maps.
Brightness and contrast should be there to make an even playing field for people with different monitors, not make enemies stand out like road workers with orange vests (which is what some of the cheats do I guess), which seems to be your aim.
You say you're colorblind, which gives you a disadvantage, not someone else an advantage. I'm not trying to diss your illness, but there's no way for an enemy in the game to know you're colorblind, therefor they wouldn't even know how to take advantage of it.
And finally, the XFI tweaking. This is absolutley rediculous that you honestly belive that it gives me an unfair advantage. It gives me an advantage, but this is in no way or form unfair, has never been and will never be. Me having a lowkey keyboard, meaning the keys don't stick up as far, but more like a laptop kind of keyboard; will make it possible for me to swap directions, lean and press keys faster then if you would have, say a standard lenovo keyboard. Exactly the same thing, it's up to everyone how they want to have their gear set, it ain't unfair, it's adapting and gaining an edge. We shoot eachother in this game, we compete against eachother on every server we join, you or him. If you wanna sit down and sing kumbaya and make everyone join hands, so be it. It don't make it right though. Soundsettings are the perfect example and the only advice I ever give players struggling with the game, get a better soundcard. AA is built on sound, it has molded the gameplay and will continue doing so.
I know sound is an important part in this game. But again, just because you can use your soundcard's software to manipulate the game in such a way that you can hear people walking on the other side of town, doesn't mean it was meant to be like this.
Don't get me wrong, I've had an X-Fi card myself and was able to hear vastly more than I can now with my onboard sound on my laptop, but what's the point really? I've got enough to worry about in my real life not to take this game serious enough to be able to bother with stuff like that anymore.
In any case, you can modify your sound with all the drivers and stuff and to my knowledge noone will ban you for this, but it still doesn't mean that it was meant for you to hear everything in a said map.
I've given this example before as well, but when was the last time you sat at home and listened to your neighbor open a door and the climb to his attic when your neighbor lives across the street? It's not meant to be like that in the game either.
Just my 0.02.
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Third party graphics tweaks didn't make you see further but a hell of alot better. This was a gray area because everyone has access to them but not many ppl outside of the ppl who played competition used them. I have a copy of the old ones from unr for nvidia 180 drivers, which iam sure they got off another team. They are pretty much obsolete now but iam sure with a bit of messing around they could become viable unless ofc you run the 180 driver. I use ati now and i dont use any of ati's 3rd party gamma correction etc. It can be argued that anything outside of the game settings would be seen by the admins and to an extent the players of the game as a no no.
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wow man, what im saying is, how can you be an admin if you obviously have no knowledge of how the game works, sure you know the coding in and out but you obviously missed out on some essential parts of AA. Let me work things out for you.
Calling fastswap a glitch, bug or whatever you choose calling it is like saying doubletap W = Run is bugising and unfair because you can actually doubletap w and press your designated run button at the same time to get the weapon animation to bug out and not drop down. Fastswap is there, for everyone to use it, it makes you swap things faster, yes. But nothing is stopping you from using it, adapt mate.
Hotkey binds im with you on, but you probably have a totally diffrent understanding on what hotkeys are, and what "advantage" they give a player. Like when you tried removing scroll=fire for singleshot spamming, you added the time between shots in singlefire mode but "forgot" to do the same on burst, hence you obviously created a problem out of a non excisting one. You empty your clip with with scrollfire, and burstmode like 0.5 seconds faster, which don't make a diffrence at all. Someone being shot by scrollfire would still get owned in normal fireing mode.
Brightness and colorcorretion is totally one of the best things to use in this game, the default colors in this game, which are usually in the colorspectra which I don't see since im multi colorblind, gives OTHERS an unfair advantage over me, i take the liberty to "OMGWTF TWEAK" the shit out of my colorcorrection to adjust the contrasts, lineing and rendering, making it even possible for me to see an enemy which is standing infront of a grey wall (north hallway weapons cache is perfect example, opfor colors on that map and the grey walling makes the enemies invicible for me more or less) Tweaking graphics don't make you see any further, same goes for monitor settings. It makes you see things clearer and removes some of the bad pixel rendering on sertain maps.
And finally, the XFI tweaking. This is absolutley rediculous that you honestly belive that it gives me an unfair advantage. It gives me an advantage, but this is in no way or form unfair, has never been and will never be. Me having a lowkey keyboard, meaning the keys don't stick up as far, but more like a laptop kind of keyboard; will make it possible for me to swap directions, lean and press keys faster then if you would have, say a standard lenovo keyboard. Exactly the same thing, it's up to everyone how they want to have their gear set, it ain't unfair, it's adapting and gaining an edge. We shoot eachother in this game, we compete against eachother on every server we join, you or him. If you wanna sit down and sing kumbaya and make everyone join hands, so be it. It don't make it right though. Soundsettings are the perfect example and the only advice I ever give players struggling with the game, get a better soundcard. AA is built on sound, it has molded the gameplay and will continue doing so.
If you are bad at this game, which no pun intended you are, you obviously don't get this. You have the frustration after being shot, instead of adapting you try changing shit so that it's equal for everyone. Games will never be equal.
This being your opinion, and mine being that with that kind of thoughts, you as admin will ruin the game. We will have to agree to disagree, but you being admin sets you in a higher position to actually manage and influince the community. According to your own intrests.
Lol tweaking graphics settings doesnt make you see any farther? You obviously have never used them on a map like river basin, the difference is like night and day man.
I also like that you are saying struggling players should get a better soundcard, it is basically telling the "hey, waste money to hear unrealistically in this game".
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Lol tweaking graphics settings doesnt make you see any farther? You obviously have never used them on a map like river basin, the difference is like night and day man.
I also like that you are saying struggling players should get a better soundcard, it is basically telling the "hey, waste money to hear unrealistically in this game".
River basin being my favourite map, yes I have played it. Alot. The rendering of the enemy is still the same, opfor pop up on the exact same distance no matter what g-card tweaks you've got. You see them more clearly with some settings and drivers, sure. But not further.
I feel I gotta say, i don't hear as good as i use to in windows xp, where we use to test diffrent soundsettings for each and every map and save them. I'm sure you still can hear that well with some silly tweaks, but I have a hard time seeing that you could disable the smoke sound like @ganja said, that sounds more like 3rd party to me; disabeling the code of smokesound, but I dunno.
And no, what I'm saying nick, is that up to everyone how they want to play the game, within the limits that have always been accepted, this is actually the first time iv'e been hearing that people think xfi soundcards and their tweaks are unfair. This community is really really narrowminded and lost at some points. This being one.
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Calling fastswap a glitch, bug or whatever you choose calling it is like saying doubletap W = Run is bugising and unfair because you can actually doubletap w and press your designated run button at the same time to get the weapon animation to bug out and not drop down. Fastswap is there, for everyone to use it, it makes you swap things faster, yes. But nothing is stopping you from using it, adapt mate.
This is hilarious. You do realize that we don't allow the running with gun exploit, right? We have a hackhunter check for it, and if it was up to me, we'd have one for quick swap as well, if that is even possible. Quick swap is an exploit, there is no other way to look at it. It wasn't intended to be in the game.
Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean you SHOULD. By your logic, POKES should be OK, since everyone could use them. That's ridiculous.
I get that the competitive players are used to exploiting the game and getting whatever advantage they can out of it,but I didn't think you would fight so hard to keep these ridiculous advantages in the game.
I'll ask you this, since competitive players are so much better than everyone else when it comes to AA, why the hell do you need all these exploits and tweaks? You should be able to kill all of us horrible pubstar peasants easily, right? Why fight to keep this garbage in the game?
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River basin being my favourite map, yes I have played it. Alot. The rendering of the enemy is still the same, opfor pop up on the exact same distance no matter what g-card tweaks you've got. You see them more clearly with some settings and drivers, sure. But not further.
I feel I gotta say, i don't hear as good as i use to in windows xp, where we use to test diffrent soundsettings for each and every map and save them. I'm sure you still can hear that well with some silly tweaks, but I have a hard time seeing that you could disable the smoke sound like @ganja said, that sounds more like 3rd party to me; disabeling the code of smokesound, but I dunno.
And no, what I'm saying nick, is that up to everyone how they want to play the game, within the limits that have always been accepted, this is actually the first time iv'e been hearing that people think xfi soundcards and their tweaks are unfair. This community is really really narrowminded and lost at some points. This being one.
So you're saying it's totally normal for an enemy to appear in the middle of your screen?
I'll go on a limb here and say it's not.
If that's what's happening to you, you've done something for it to happen, because with regular settings this pretty much only happens when you're looking for someone with the corner of your screen.
And X-Fi gives you an advantage, that's a fact. Whether or not we should call it unfair is another question. Right now it's not considered unfair (or unfair enough), because you're able to play with your X-Fi card.
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Big respect to Teddy and Killaman for voicing my opinion precisely :)
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It is unfair advantage, I played with zibi and I know how hard it is against these kind of soundcards.
Its funny how you try to navigate this to a negative atmosphere on the forum. You're really like dav3 Ares, don't become a pain in the ass here.
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So you're saying it's totally normal for an enemy to appear in the middle of your screen?
I'll go on a limb here and say it's not.
If that's what's happening to you, you've done something for it to happen, because with regular settings this pretty much only happens when you're looking for someone with the corner of your screen.
And X-Fi gives you an advantage, that's a fact. Whether or not we should call it unfair is another question. Right now it's not considered unfair (or unfair enough), because you're able to play with your X-Fi card.
Ofcourse it's in the corner of your screen, on river basin and any other longrange maps i thought that went without saying. But yes looking through the corner, which we can agree everyone does? No advantage is gained with colorcorrection. Same goes for looking normal, they appear on the same distance no matter what settings you got.
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It is unfair advantage, I played with zibi and I know how hard it is against these kind of soundcards.
Its funny how you try to navigate this to a negative atmosphere on the forum. You're really like dav3 Ares, don't become a pain in the ass here.
Yeah like if i would cheat, get caught and be welcomed back into the community. Change name into something which indicated big remorse and go pat everyone on the back. Don't throw them rocks when inside glasshouse.
I feel everyone with good internetconnection has a unfair advantage over those who don't, "you can't just tell them to invest in better internet to become good in a game!"
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Yeah like if i would cheat, get caught and be welcomed back into the community. Change name into something which indicated big remorse and go pat everyone on the back. Don't throw them rocks when inside glasshouse.
Hehehehehehehehehe
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This is hilarious. You do realize that we don't allow the running with gun exploit, right? We have a hackhunter check for it, and if it was up to me, we'd have one for quick swap as well, if that is even possible. Quick swap is an exploit, there is no other way to look at it. It wasn't intended to be in the game.
Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean you SHOULD. By your logic, POKES should be OK, since everyone could use them. That's ridiculous.
I get that the competitive players are used to exploiting the game and getting whatever advantage they can out of it,but I didn't think you would fight so hard to keep these ridiculous advantages in the game.
I'll ask you this, since competitive players are so much better than everyone else when it comes to AA, why the hell do you need all these exploits and tweaks? You should be able to kill all of us horrible pubstar peasants easily, right? Why fight to keep this garbage in the game?
We don't need them, for real. But in competitive whatever, you adapt and go with the changes if you want to win. I don't have tweaks, which are originally something you changed inside the .ini file or user.ini. Xfi settings, are not tweaks in the regard that they give you an advantage which is faulty and nasty. If you want good music sound, you fix your soundcard settings, swap to 5.1 speakers or whatever you choose doing, same goes for AA.
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in every game u have to "learn" an exploit to compete, there is something wrong. i already stated that in another thread, where i mentioned to believe the % of quickswap users are around 70-80%. i was interested, so i started a little statistic, randomized of course. i was astonished, that my first numbers were around 15%. quickreload was <5%.
in my opinion u have to sanction it, if u want a rising community.
i declare myself as a quickswap-user, so maybe im biased.
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We don't need them, for real. But in competitive whatever, you adapt and go with the changes if you want to win. I don't have tweaks, which are originally something you changed inside the .ini file or user.ini. Xfi settings, are not tweaks in the regard that they give you an advantage which is faulty and nasty. If you want good music sound, you fix your soundcard settings, swap to 5.1 speakers or whatever you choose doing, same goes for AA.
None of my post was regarding sound tweaking and soundcards. We cannot control that so it is pointless to debate it. My post was mostly about exploits. You said that you have to adapt, which is true. But what if it didn't have to be that way? What if we got rid of the exploits we could get rid of? How would that lower the quality of the game? It would just increase it. It wouldn't hurt anyone, just increase fairness.
You talk about adapting, but I haven't really seen you say a definite answer to the question, so here it is flat out. Would you support the removal/penalization of exploits if it were possible? Simple question. To me, there is no logical reason to not support such a thing. Again, this isn't talking about sound, just exploits. The only reason I could think of is you want to keep your advantage over players who don't use them, which in my opinion, would just be pathetic.
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ares is right, you dont see farther with colorcorrection, trust me i tweaked the hell out of this game :P
same goes to soundsettings, if you are lazy and cba to change channels and pump treble up and bass down, then its your fault, its not a secret to anyone, if you'r a bad player then yea you will always accuse someone in tweaking.
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Since I started playing in 2009, I haven't tweaked much. Of course, you search for the settings that suit your computer best, but wtf is this crap about color correction on X-FI?
When it comes to exploits, it's clear and simple: I have never used any and in order to maintain a level playing field I would be wholly in favor of banning anybody that uses them. Yes, they are glitches in the original software, yes, anybody could use them, but let's be fair; we are playing a game here. Let's have a level playing field.
p.s.: if anybody is so hung up on honor points for them to resort to using all the glitches, exploits and what not, they need to get a mental check. It's a game FFS. Or do these people play Monopoly with loads of cash from a second game up their sleeve so they can win? Get a life!
Cheers,
[LoB].Legio.CPT
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This is the way i see it.
INI tweaks have been taken the wrong way because of user exploits, people have found the bad things you can do to them in order to get an advantage BUT INI settings to me are purely for the fact of getting the game to smooth and consistence for my machine. Everyone's machine is different and everyones internet connection is different, theres not a 1 size fits all solution.
About XFI - I think it lame to think it gives you an "unfair" advantage. Can you hear sounds better or more crisp yes, and you hear them further on XP for sure, but in the end sound will only take you so far you still have to be a good shot, know when to peak and when to prefire. I play on a macbook pro, and i'm still able to keep up with players i know have sounds cards and good headphones. It comes from time playing the game and knowing how players are going to move or what they are going to based on where you are on a map.
As per the video card settings, its a joke to say they make you see further lol your not changing the draw distance in the game by changing your GCB settings. It make this sharper or easier to see, but again it doesn't really give you an advantage because if the other player is better than you, you will still lose. Now there are some bad things that video cards can do like powerstrip, and the shadows, or the inverted CT settings :D but most people don't know how to do.
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About XFI - I think it lame to think it gives you an "unfair" advantage. Can you hear sounds better or more crisp yes, and you hear them further on XP for sure, but in the end sound will only take you so far you still have to be a good shot, know when to peak and when to prefire. I play on a macbook pro, and i'm still able to keep up with players i know have sounds cards and good headphones. It comes from time playing the game and knowing how players are going to move or what they are going to based on where you are on a map.
Easier to be a good shot when you know where the enemy exactly isn't it
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nicely said utrodia, those guys that think its an "unfair advantage" are mostly not competitive players or just bad, no hard feelings but its the way i see it, it has been discussed for ages and same result, if you cant keep it up with pro players then just get out of the way :)
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Easier to be a good shot when you know where the enemy exactly isn't it
it is ganja but why should i keep my sound on default settings if every good player use the same settings(ini tweakZOR)
back in the better days it was known that every competitive player would adjust his sound/video, it wasnt a secret, many forums explained how and where to do it.
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wow, maybe then i will be soon a competitive player :)
have a new soundcard...
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it is ganja but why should i keep my sound on default settings if every good player use the same settings(ini tweakZOR)
back in the better days it was known that every competitive player would adjust his sound/video, it wasnt a secret, many forums explained how and where to do it.
Just because you can do it and 'everybody' did it, doesn't mean it's right.
Like I said, though, X-Fi settings give you an advantage, but it's not (at this present moment at least) considered unfair.
The graphics settings... well I don't really know much about those, never played around with them too much, but I'm pretty sure seeing someone better in the distance fog than someone else, still gives you an advantage. And again, it's probably not unfair in the sense that you wont get banned for it, but it's an advantage none the less.
if you cant keep it up with pro players then just get out of the way :)
That's just silly. What you're implying is that the changes made to the game in order to gain an edge are evolving and if you don't stoop to the same level, you should just stop playing?
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Just because you can do it and 'everybody' did it, doesn't mean it's right.
Like I said, though, X-Fi settings give you an advantage, but it's not (at this present moment at least) considered unfair.
The graphics settings... well I don't really know much about those, never played around with them too much, but I'm pretty sure seeing someone better in the distance fog than someone else, still gives you an advantage. And again, it's probably not unfair in the sense that you wont get banned for it, but it's an advantage none the less.
That's just silly. What you're implying is that the changes made to the game in order to gain an edge are evolving and if you don't stoop to the same level, you should just stop playing?
believe me, graphic settings are less "unfair" then a sound settings, with win xp only you can hear nade clicks all over the map, my monitor is dark by default so i go to nvidia cc settings and pump up my gamma and DV, even in CSGO LANS its allowed, Im just tired of people that thinks its unfair/cheating and we need to play the same way as they play.
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I'm mostly trying to make you understand better sound is a huge advantage.
Now fair, unfair, who can judge ...
A player can be pro without perfect sound, and someone with perfect sound can still be noob, it's true. Sound helps you play, so it's an advatange. period.
Now see you all in a week :D
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It's a weird grey area. Technically, just as cheating/hacking you're using a 3rd party utility to gain adventages over the 'average joe' of America's Army.
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About XFI - I think it lame to think it gives you an "unfair" advantage. Can you hear sounds better or more crisp yes, and you hear them further on XP for sure, but in the end sound will only take you so far you still have to be a good shot, know when to peak and when to prefire. I play on a macbook pro, and i'm still able to keep up with players i know have sounds cards and good headphones. It comes from time playing the game and knowing how players are going to move or what they are going to based on where you are on a map.
Sure sound isn't everything, we all know that. but it's a hell of a lot easier to be good when you know exactly where the player is, and they don't know where you are. That is an unfair advantage. Unfair, meaning it is not equal for everyone. You have it, they don't.
I don't understand why people don't want to use the word "unfair." That's exactly what it is. Hell, having a better CPU and GPU is technically an unfair advantage. So is better headphones, monitor, mouse, etc. The only difference is that the unfair advantage you get from sound tweaking is much more drastic than what those other advantages provide.
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Unfair means not everybody can have it. But everybody can buy a good soundcard.
I mean I don't have an unfair advantage for having a mouse when I play against someone without mouse. Everybody can decide to get it if they want to spend money for gaming. It's a prsonal choice I guess
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I don't see how its easier to be good, it takes a lot of time and map knowledge to understand the sounds. Like the metal on the SR stairs, or the wood nosies on courtyard.
Sounds can only take you so far, I get owned all the time and i know where players are, just because I hear you doesn't mean your automatically going to die.
All in all, look back at all of the thread in this forum, there are only a hand full of people that complain about sound card users, and every time it comes up, it smells like a witch hunt :)
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The funny thing is I'm standing up for them, and I don't even have one :idea:
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I don't see how its easier to be good, it takes a lot of time and map knowledge to understand the sounds. Like the metal on the SR stairs, or the wood nosies on courtyard.
Sounds can only take you so far, I get owned all the time and i know where players are, just because I hear you doesn't mean your automatically going to die.
All in all, look back at all of the thread in this forum, there are only a hand full of people that complain about sound card users, and every time it comes up, it smells like a witch hunt :)
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The funny thing is I'm standing up for them, and I don't even have one :idea:
If you're just going to deny that knowing where the enemy is is a big advantage then I don't see this discussion going anywhere. It's ridiculous to think it's not. No, sound won't make you good, but it makes it easier to be good.
It's not like we can do anything about it though.
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I'm not denying it, I'm just saying sound is only 1 of many factors.
If you don't know how to really play AA and don't understand the maps, sound isn't going to give you a 2 frag rate.
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and when you have sound the whole concept of gaming changes completly, now you have to predict what ur oponent will do by the way hes moving all kind of stuff. playing aa is just not walking around and shot an enemy if u see it.
sometimes the right way is just to run across the map without shoting an enemy close to you, cuz if you do know where u are. I cant explain myself better, just get sound settings and ull see. even for onboard cards it can get alot better than some guys have by default. just change defaultdriver to false, channels to 64 and soundvolume to 2.0 and ull see an huge diference
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None of my post was regarding sound tweaking and soundcards. We cannot control that so it is pointless to debate it. My post was mostly about exploits. You said that you have to adapt, which is true. But what if it didn't have to be that way? What if we got rid of the exploits we could get rid of? How would that lower the quality of the game? It would just increase it. It wouldn't hurt anyone, just increase fairness.
You talk about adapting, but I haven't really seen you say a definite answer to the question, so here it is flat out. Would you support the removal/penalization of exploits if it were possible? Simple question. To me, there is no logical reason to not support such a thing. Again, this isn't talking about sound, just exploits. The only reason I could think of is you want to keep your advantage over players who don't use them, which in my opinion, would just be pathetic.
Yeah I know you didn't moan too much about sound, I directed that towards everyone who does.
My defnitite answer would be, yes I would support it. But it wouldn't be possible. It's like trying, like Sweden and USA are doing, putting rules on the internet, monitoring the average joe. People will always find a way, not because they are "pro players" but because the thrill of exploiting the system, breaking it, ask any average computer genius/hacker and they will say it's the feeling of have beaten the system that actually counts. Not the end result.
Another thing would have to be decided, is what is concidered an exploit. Admins and forum moderators, apart from Bart couldn't tell an exploit, bug nor titanic from a fair player which uses everything default. The people on here making the decisions have far too little understanding and experience of AA gameplay from what has been shown from their comments, actions and visions. I'm sorry, i don't want to bust their balls, it's just hard facts. And to the answer "would you do better yourself?" Yes I would, not the coding, I know a little html but far from what these guys knows. And with keeping the game alive, the assist client, they're doing a swell job. its like having a lousy football player becoming a good coach, not happening without help from experienced players alongside him.
We in the competitive scene generally have a better understanding of these things, simply because we've had pretty much EVERYTHING up for discussion, everything that has been talked about on here, we've already covered, and voted in favour of the opinions im expressing.
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:oops: I feel like an asshole now...
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Admins and forum moderators, apart from Bart couldn't tell an exploit, bug nor titanic from a fair player which uses everything default.
This is such bullshit. An exploit is anything that required a glitch to pull off. Stuff that is not meant to be in the game. That's all there is to it. Id on't see how a competitive player knows more about what is an exploit.
Quick swapping, prone shooting, running with gun. All are exploits that were not meant to be in the game and all were fixed later by the original devs.
Your superiority complex is so large it's almost pathetic.
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For your information, Killa, they never really managed to fix quickswap altogether. They just limited it to less ways of doing it.
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quickswap is not an exploit, i never saw any team gets disqualified for such thing
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It is a bug. It's something that you were not meant to do. Exploiting (to my knowledge) is using a bug in your advantage. Therefor, it's an exploit.
The fact that everybody uses it, doesn't make it not an exploit. The fact that you don't get banned for it doesn't make it not an exploit.
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quickswap is not an exploit, i never saw any team gets disqualified for such thing
Sure it is, this game was never meant to behave in that way, that's why it's an exploit.
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quickswap is not an exploit, i never saw any team gets disqualified for such thing
It is an exploit, krIz and Ares, just so you know, officially seen, everything what was not meant to be in the game but is used because its better to do so is technically an exploit.
The thing you are mentioning is that it is tolerated by leagues to do so and thus not being a punishable exploit. But that's different from being an exploit technically seen.
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Im well aware that fastswap is an exploit, and I use it. And has always used it. They did remove it but it was possible to go around. I didn't, i really tried to stop using it and with that evolving my playingstyle. It worked alright, then the game died and we went back to assist. You're mentioning the blatant expoit such as running with gun, and nade. What about the not so blatant ones? You will never to be able to outrule all of them, this game will never be bug, exploit or anything else free.
Killaman you sound like you actually think im the biggest exploiter and user of all the bugs availible, which I'm not, I'm a fair player. I bitch a whole lot, i let my mouth run warm. But that's about it. Fastswap being the only thing i use, not to gain an advantage but because it's just a reflex. If you present me with a way of removing fastswap, without being able later on to bind one of the aliases in user ini to a button, which has a command on it that connects to crouch|onrelease|stand. I'm all for it. But it aint possible. My superiority complex is simply me knowing more about the subject than you, been around longer and have weighed the pros and cons rediciously long.
So tecnically, If i change a value in my armyops.ini from true to false. Which gives me, say the lack of debree coming of the wall when i shoot at it. (which is a value i have changed in my ini) Just because I find the animation/effect silly and unrealisticly annoying. That is meant to be in the game, and meant to be removed if i choose, don't give me any advantage whatsoever, just lets my eyes rest better shooting straight into a wall. Is that an exploit?
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I love the excuse "everybody else does it so I do too". I hear a lot of people jump off bridges....
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My superiority complex is simply me knowing more about the subject than you, been around longer and have weighed the pros and cons rediciously long.
hahahahahaha. This is just too good. Keep it up man.
You have posted nothing to prove you're more knowledgeable, you just keep spewing this "holier than thou" bullshit.
So tecnically, If i change a value in my armyops.ini from true to false. Which gives me, say the lack of debree coming of the wall when i shoot at it. (which is a value i have changed in my ini) Just because I find the animation/effect silly and unrealisticly annoying. That is meant to be in the game, and meant to be removed if i choose, don't give me any advantage whatsoever, just lets my eyes rest better shooting straight into a wall. Is that an exploit?
Did you even read my post on what an exploit is? Or did you just jump on the "i'm better than you" speech without reading? What you described is an ini tweak. It seems like you're the one who doesn't understand this.
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hahahahahaha. This is just too good. Keep it up man.
You have posted nothing to prove you're more knowledgeable, you just keep spewing this "holier than thou" bullshit.
Did you even read my post on what an exploit is? Or did you just jump on the "i'm better than you" speech without reading? What you described is an ini tweak. It seems like you're the one who doesn't understand this.
If I come across as that, it's because it's my intention, don't pardon me. This is how I do it on forums. A dying breed it seems. My attitude here is a reflection of how people here ggo around in circles patting eachothers backs, if you really want to discuss something with me, hit me up on teamspeak, i'm on the official teamspeak alot.
So is changing cashsizemegs, soundchannels and any other computer tweak inside the .ini. The first ones are even in the official "how to improve your pc performance" posted by abraxas back in 04'
Who gets to decide whats a tweak which gives you an unfair advantage and what isn't. People on here? This forum is like the tactics forum on aaotracker and offtopic section put together, but worse. I love this place. "JOO THINK YOU ARE BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE, YOU GO, GO NOW" Kisses and hugs peepz
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I love the excuse "everybody else does it so I do too". I hear a lot of people jump off bridges....
And I love your "I'm bored with how AA works" instead of the correct way "I'm unable to change my gameplay into something which challenges me and further gives me newfound joy"
If you feel jumping off is for you, go for it.
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Game was and still meant to be as realistic as possible. Can you use cheats, exploits, glitches, bugs in realism? My answer would be no. Everyone should be epual. I dont find how you are a competive player or anyone else using advantage. Competition means challanges. All you look is for easier kills, better frag, same gameplay. Can i ask? In realism (army) would you have headset, soundcard, tweaks? The game meant to be realistic, previous devs tried to fix, it didnt work, maybe it would be possible to fix all of this with some ideas in the nearier future. I understand as a normal advantage throug out the game, numbers of soldiers, lets even mention random spawns, different guns, epuipment etc. Only ppl who disagree, want to save tweaks for their own benefit for easier game play where from my vew of prospect a competitor player who is hardcore without any advantage.
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Game was and still meant to be as realistic as possible. Can you use cheats, exploits, glitches, bugs in realism? My answer would be no. Everyone should be epual. I dont find how you are a competive player or anyone else using advantage. Competition means challanges. All you look is for easier kills, better frag, same gameplay. Can i ask? In realism (army) would you have headset, soundcard, tweaks? The game meant to be realistic, previous devs tried to fix, it didnt work, maybe it would be possible to fix all of this with some ideas in the nearier future. I understand as a normal advantage throug out the game, numbers of soldiers, lets even mention random spawns, different guns, epuipment etc. Only ppl who disagree, want to save tweaks for their own benefit for easier game play where from my vew of prospect a competitor player who is hardcore without any advantage.
As a former cheater, who got caught, you'd know wouldnt you? What you can do, and always will in the real life army ( i can't fucking belive we're having this discussion) is to cheat, decieve and trying with your life on the line to gain every possible tactical and non tactical advantage over your enemy, which doesnt involving moaning that they have airsupport or helicopters and you don't. No raising the white flag because the war is unfair. Think before you post shit like this man. I've done my tours in the army, we had nightvision, they didn't. Best example to poke you on the nose with.
I told you this before, what we're looking for is the opposite of easy kills, we want the challenge, but on the same level as your fellow opponent, your notion of what competitive playeres are and what they do seems like its brought from a dark place inside you, it's like we're the ones picking on you in school when you were a kid. How can you have such harsh opinions based on people who cheat and glitch, hack and whatnot when the majority of the people getting caught, and have been caught in the past have been pubbers, not competitive players, pubbers. You try leveling the gameplay which sometimes means you have to fastswap, which is really the only tweak i can come up with to fit this discussion, bringing up anything else at this point would only heat up shit and you'd come with your silly "game is unfair" blabla.
I think you're seriously missed the whole what the previous devs tried fixing. Were you even around when the game was sanctioned by the army? They made it pretty clear that they wanted a merge between realism and steady gameplay, realizing that a full on realism FPS game was never possible. You'd know this if you were around and active. I just don't pull all this shit out of my ass, despite some obvious poostains on some of the theories and opinions. Some of the opinons and comments here are sometimes what the previous communities, not only competitive have been discussing, ruled and voted in for the past 10 fucking years, you guys come in going all "LET'S MEIK THIES GAME BETER K?" but fails on every doorstep to the process of it as it stands right now. My "im holier than thau" is simply put alot of me trying to put up a show, if you can't read between the lines and you take me only for the puns i put in, the fault is yours. There are some obviously good advice, suggestions and pointers in the stuff i write. Not in the posts where i point our everyone elses, in my opinion faulty opinions though, that's discussing, and yes I discuss in a manner which obviously don't fly here, which just makes it even more fun for me and the ones reading and agreeing with me. Invite me to a teamspeak chat, and we can do this in a better manner if you want some advice, which i know you don't. You admins got this, we set our best men on this.
OnT: I will post screenshots of my xfi settings, which are what i've been using for the past years. So that more people can use them and understand what a HUGE advantage it gives you. THE LAST PART IS IRONIC FROM MY PART OKEJ?
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Ares, even wars have rules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions)
For this game the closest we got is the TOS, that you agreed to be able to play this game
For explots like quickswap and what not:
This ax extract of the TOS, check out xii
The Licensee is considered violating the Terms of Service if you, the Licensee:
(i) Harass, threaten, embarrass, or do anything else to another player that is unwanted, such as repeatedly
sending unwanted messages or making personal attacks or statements about race, sexual orientation,
religion, heritage, etc.
(ii) Transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive,
vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in
a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated.
(iii) Disrupt the flow of chat in AA with vulgar language, abusiveness, use of excessive shouting [all caps] in
an attempt to disturb other users, "spamming" or flooding [posting repetitive text].
(iv) Impersonate another person (including celebrities); indicate falsely that you are a Dev, or attempt to
mislead users by indicating that you represent Assist or it's Devs.
(v) Attempt to get a password, account information, or other private information from anyone else on Assist
or AA.
(vi) Promote or encourage any illegal activity including hacking, cracking or distribution of counterfeit software.
(vii) Upload files that contain a virus or corrupted data.
(viii) Use or distribute "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility"
software program or applications.
(ix) Modify any part of the Assist service.
(x) Post and/or distribute any player's real-world personal information inside Assist or AA.
(xi) Attempt to interfere with, hack into or decipher any transmissions to or from the Assist or AA servers.
(xii) Use and/or distribute exploits to gain an unfair advantage in a game.
(xiii) Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing AA.
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If I come across as that, it's because it's my intention, don't pardon me. This is how I do it on forums. A dying breed it seems. My attitude here is a reflection of how people here ggo around in circles patting eachothers backs, if you really want to discuss something with me, hit me up on teamspeak, i'm on the official teamspeak alot.
So is changing cashsizemegs, soundchannels and any other computer tweak inside the .ini. The first ones are even in the official "how to improve your pc performance" posted by abraxas back in 04'
Who gets to decide whats a tweak which gives you an unfair advantage and what isn't. People on here? This forum is like the tactics forum on aaotracker and offtopic section put together, but worse. I love this place. "JOO THINK YOU ARE BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE, YOU GO, GO NOW" Kisses and hugs peepz
Isn't is obvious who gets to decide what is allowed? It's the people that pay and work to keep this game alive. If you don't like how the game is being handled, you're free to not play it. A lot of the admins, especially Eliz, have given so much time and effort into this project, and then we have people like you who contribute nothing but condescending bullshit.
Just an fyi, if you intend to look like an arrogant douche bag like you claim, nobody is going to take you seriously. And if nobody takes you seriously, I don't understand what you're trying to get out of posting here. That is unless you're just here to troll, which seems likely at this point.
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Just an fyi, if you intend to look like an arrogant douche bag like you claim, nobody is going to take you seriously. And if nobody takes you seriously, I don't understand what you're trying to get out of posting here. That is unless you're just here to troll, which seems likely at this point.
This.
Ares, you claim to have some 'obviously good advice, suggestions and pointers in the stuff you write', which would suggest you'd like to contribute in a way.
But with the tone of your posts you will never really be able to contribute anything.
If you wish to suggest something, do it in a clear way. No need to add all the 'puns' you're apparently adding.
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nowadays there is nearly no competition base left, the glorious times are gone.
what i dont understand is, why are the few competition-players left so cramping on these grey-area-things. u are eagerly searching for competition, not finding it, but on the other side not willing to make the game fair. the aim should be to make the game fair so that competition can flourish again. it would be a challenge for u to compete without those things and for all the others a motivation to compete again, cause they have a chance to.
on the other hand aa25-devs should know that this game highly benefits from competition and has the perfect requirements for it. u can see it in the past and in the current leagues flc and desbl http://www.desbl.de/index.php?page=public&site=chooseseason&gid=5 (http://www.desbl.de/index.php?page=public&site=chooseseason&gid=5)
for it, u have to provide fair circumstances. solutions for bugs and exploits are vital.
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Ares, even wars have rules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions)
For this game the closest we got is the TOS, that you agreed to be able to play this game
For explots like quickswap and what not:
This ax extract of the TOS, check out xii
The Licensee is considered violating the Terms of Service if you, the Licensee:
(i) Harass, threaten, embarrass, or do anything else to another player that is unwanted, such as repeatedly
sending unwanted messages or making personal attacks or statements about race, sexual orientation,
religion, heritage, etc.
(ii) Transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive,
vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in
a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated.
(iii) Disrupt the flow of chat in AA with vulgar language, abusiveness, use of excessive shouting [all caps] in
an attempt to disturb other users, "spamming" or flooding [posting repetitive text].
(iv) Impersonate another person (including celebrities); indicate falsely that you are a Dev, or attempt to
mislead users by indicating that you represent Assist or it's Devs.
(v) Attempt to get a password, account information, or other private information from anyone else on Assist
or AA.
(vi) Promote or encourage any illegal activity including hacking, cracking or distribution of counterfeit software.
(vii) Upload files that contain a virus or corrupted data.
(viii) Use or distribute "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility"
software program or applications.
(ix) Modify any part of the Assist service.
(x) Post and/or distribute any player's real-world personal information inside Assist or AA.
(xi) Attempt to interfere with, hack into or decipher any transmissions to or from the Assist or AA servers.
(xii) Use and/or distribute exploits to gain an unfair advantage in a game.
(xiii) Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing AA.
The geneva convention im well aware of, having been in a active warzone i feel all of it and keep it close to me. I can tell you how to remove fastswap and it's workaround. I'd like to contribute in the sense of having fair gameplay, sure. But not at the expense of dying competitive playing, which is already dead. The small amount we have left, we'd like to keep. There are ways and cvars which can get rid of most of the bugs, exploits and cheats (most, never all of them) . You just gotta know the right people who are willing to put in time. I'm coming through here as sinciere as i can. I'd like to help if you let me. I'll bring on some guys who can enforce and encourage a change in attitude in these supertweakers and whatnot. I'll keep adding small puns to people I feel deserve them, since this is the internet, some puns and kicks in the butt are all but fun. I'll tone everything down though since I come across as a total retard, being the only one playing the game, the intention has always been trying to get someone else to join me in the bitching. This is how I always done it, don't work here obviously so i'll just stop. I'll never be like antiarmycheat and suck dem cocks though. Yes i just said that.
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Calm your tits
Your posts doesn't give a proper conclusion to why not removing exploits, bugs, tweaks.(Basically you're saying competition will die, well it won't because a real competition will start after everyone is equal and wont use any kind of advantage.)
Why do you call yourself a competitor player? You use advantage over others, I would only say you're a competitor if you still good without any kind of advantages.
I guess you got the wrong information about me, please re talk with your source about correct information then you can reply to me.
You think you know everything better than anyone else in competitive way, well, you're not.
It doesn't make you any better if you were in the warzone, in the army...
I don't think you understand how much this is important, it does not make you number 1 here just because you were in the army, I was in the army too for 7 Months so don't throw basic crap of non-sense over here.
Yes, the game supposed to be as realistic as possible, as steady as possible, removing these kind of advantages releases these things and develops into the better game.
So, devs can't change nothing now? They/we should listen to competitive players and jump around them? Total bullshit. It is not your game, this game does not stand by only competitive players who keep the game alive, there are actually more pubbers than any of your kind players.
You will never contribute to this game with your childish and tough internet warrior style with IQ of knowing everything that competitive player knows. If you want to help, change yourself and start helping in a good way.
Its good that this discussion returns to forums... It is important to re discuss and accept the decision made on the current or next state of the game. Why you so scared to have no advantage?
And about your last sentence, please be aware that there are forum rules of no swearing and similar things.
You just like to troll and argue, please also don't forget to re read the previous posts of how much crap you talk and how much truth has been said form your side and from other side.
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Anyway, I wont reply to you any more on this specific thread because you will still keep arguing. Just so you know, I support the truth, the game without advantages, equal to everyone. I don't call anyone a competitive player because using advantages doesn't make you that kind of player... I would be happy if there was only one competitive player without using any advantage.
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Calm your tits
Your posts doesn't give a proper conclusion to why not removing exploits, bugs, tweaks.(Basically you're saying competition will die, well it won't because a real competition will start after everyone is equal and wont use any kind of advantage.)
Why do you call yourself a competitor player? You use advantage over others, I would only say you're a competitor if you still good without any kind of advantages.
I guess you got the wrong information about me, please re talk with your source about correct information then you can reply to me.
You think you know everything better than anyone else in competitive way, well, you're not.
It doesn't make you any better if you were in the warzone, in the army...
I don't think you understand how much this is important, it does not make you number 1 here just because you were in the army, I was in the army too for 7 Months so don't throw basic crap of non-sense over here.
Yes, the game supposed to be as realistic as possible, as steady as possible, removing these kind of advantages releases these things and develops into the better game.
So, devs can't change nothing now? They/we should listen to competitive players and jump around them? Total bullshit. It is not your game, this game does not stand by only competitive players who keep the game alive, there are actually more pubbers than any of your kind players.
You will never contribute to this game with your childish and tough internet warrior style with IQ of knowing everything that competitive player knows. If you want to help, change yourself and start helping in a good way.
Its good that this discussion returns to forums... It is important to re discuss and accept the decision made on the current or next state of the game. Why you so scared to have no advantage?
And about your last sentence, please be aware that there are forum rules of no swearing and similar things.
You just like to troll and argue, please also don't forget to re read the previous posts of how much crap you talk and how much truth has been said form your side and from other side.
I don't give a proper conclusion because removing all bugs and exploits will never be an option, hence not possible. Every player tries gaining an advantage, playing fair and letting people kill you really aint what gaming is about. Being pretty much the only one out of competitive players that's been around since day 1 i don't title myself as knowing everything better than everyone else, i just point out what has been in the past, which hasnt worked, or worked.
I never stated it made me a better anything, player, person, fucktard. I stated that I know the geneva convention, not because i've read bout it, but beacause i've emplied it. You jumping to conclusions saying im throwing basic crap around. Read it again if you had a hard time understanding it the first time.
This proves my point that you have no understanding of the game, you saying they should remove the bugs and whatnot for it to be fair for everyone, it ain't possible. People will always find a way, if there were a way, don't you think they would have removed them in the previous 10 versions? I'm well aware of that it's the pubbers keeping the game alive, and i stand my ground when i say that a competitive player has more knowledge of the game and it's dynamics than the average pubber, even if they're the one keeping the game allive.
Like I stated in my previous post I will put in an effort into actually helping, although I doubt any of my suggestions will be put into action since they'd actually work.
Truths have been spoken from me, if you're too dumb to see them, or understand them. I'm sorry mate.
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you saying they should remove the bugs and whatnot for it to be fair for everyone, it ain't possible. People will always find a way, if there were a way, don't you think they would have removed them in the previous 10 versions?
i dont think that's a valuable argument. newer versions like 2.8.5. have already proven the opposite. lots of bugs were fixed or at least limited, which is still better than doing nothing. same goes with the anticheat-discussion we had lately. doing nothing was never a option, even if it's impossible to catch them all. but just give up on the case? comon u already offered ur help. i'd like to see this discussion becoming constructive, no so much trash talk and "know it better".
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i dont think that's a valuable argument. newer versions like 2.8.5. have already proven the opposite. lots of bugs were fixed or at least limited, which is still better than doing nothing. same goes with the anticheat-discussion we had lately. doing nothing was never a option, even if it's impossible to catch them all. but just give up on the case? comon u already offered ur help. i'd like to see this discussion becoming constructive, no so much trash talk and "know it better".
Don't get me wrong, which all of you obviously did. I'm all for leveling the gameplay having everyone fight out of the same corner and having the same standards, but seeing this is AA, with the code it has. Removing them all will never be an option, in 2.8.5 they tried, but failed. Fastswap being the best example. If you cannot remove it from the game, you need to look at it from a diffrent angle, what can you do to prevent people from using the existing ones. Adding bans for fastswap? No. (noone said that, but it'd come up for sure) My argument therefore is, don't even try removing bugs, people will work around it, I have done so in the past without problems simply because people still used it, hence gaining an unfair advantage over me, so i leveled the gameplay and used it too. I didn't want to loose, simple as.
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Ares, I must correct you on one thing, some bugs are able to get fixed, however do not have the idea that everything can be totally fixed and evened out. There are some bugs which just give more trouble if you try to "fix" them so it's not worth the effort to do so.
A good example of bugs which people didnt mention:
The wood you can jump on next to west obj (YES ITS A BUG)
The 18B slot with parental control to 18C (OBVIOUSLY an exploit and mostly pubpeople using it which are so severely "anti-cheat" (this disgusts me the most) )
Being walking crouch/standing against an object, so you can see and shoot over a wall while they see you are crouching against the wall.
I think the last 2 exploits have a severely bigger impact as doing a fastswap.
I also think bugs like the parental control CAN be disabled and SHOULD be fixed. However the other 2 are game mechanics and without the source code I think every effort in fixing them is a waste of time and will probably cause more trouble to happen.
I agree with ares on the fact that most competitive players have more experience, because they played the game in 2 different ways: with an organized team and set up tactics and coordination, and just in public playstyle. I think we have more experience in how much of an influence a small change in where you spawn can be (locking down an opposing team totally because of a good push.
The reason why I for example am against random spawns is because randomness is never good in my opinion, especially not in competition. Look at SF Extraction, if you spawn in the SE corner and enemy in SW, the SW team almost always wins if they are equal. With some bad luck you lose a lot of rounds and it will be a lot less fun for those people. I'd rather have a set spawn which is pretty much balanced as it is now so you at least know your chances.
Nothing is more frustrating than losing because of being unlucky by random spawns or the similar. Just like it aint fun to face a 18C with pistol if you got random guns (I hate random guns anyways).
A small change in spawnpoints can have a HUGE influence in how the game turns out.
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You guys, don't you understand what Ares is saying? He doesn't want bugs to be fixed because that would mean fair gameplay and it would totally ruin the small competitive scene that's still alive. I mean, could you imagine how horrible competitive players would be if they had to rely solely on skill?
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You guys, don't you understand what Ares is saying? He doesn't want bugs to be fixed because that would mean fair gameplay and it would totally ruin the small competitive scene that's still alive. I mean, could you imagine how horrible competitive players would be if they had to rely solely on skill?
No, that's not at all what im saying, thats what you obviously think im saying. What I am saying on the other hand is the following: If you can fix the bugs, without the chance of people circumventing them, go for it. There's no real reason fixing a bug, glitch or anything else if people still work around them. I was generally speaking of weaponbugs, such as fastswap. Being bugged by west obj, or walking forward when crouched to a wall on Urban assault still being able to shoot, is fixable and you should go ahead and do that if possible.
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Exactly, when it can be 100% fixed, do it for sure, but if you fix it in such way that some people can still do it but others have trouble doing it, it actually makes it worse.
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Exactly, when it can be 100% fixed, do it for sure, but if you fix it in such way that some people can still do it but others have trouble doing it, it actually makes it worse.
Like trying to spam singlefire shots today, not possible. Like having sausage fingers. Good intentions were behind the decision of removing the ability to scrollfire singleshots, but it turned out bad.
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Like trying to spam singlefire shots today, not possible. Like having sausage fingers. Good intentions were behind the decision of removing the ability to scrollfire singleshots, but it turned out bad.
You do realize that the weapon has to cycle the spent round casing and load a new cartridge into the chamber right? That takes time which the developers measured in the real world and implemented in-game. What we did to "fix" the singlefire didn't make it bad, it made it realistic and exactly as the devs intended it to be.
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You do realize that the weapon has to cycle the spent round casing and load a new cartridge into the chamber right? That takes time which the developers measured in the real world and implemented in-game. What we did to "fix" the singlefire didn't make it bad, it made it realistic and exactly as the devs intended it to be.
I fire 7.62' rounds in singlemode, faster than i do in AA, it's a weapon, and it's mechanics allow for automatic fire, hence it isnt the mechanism causing the singleshot to be slow, it's the finger of the one shooting. I thought you delayed it because of the fact that people exploited the scrollfire function.
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I fire 7.62' rounds in singlemode, faster than i do in AA, it's a weapon, and it's mechanics allow for automatic fire, hence it isnt the mechanism causing the singleshot to be slow, it's the finger of the one shooting. I thought you delayed it because of the fact that people exploited the scrollfire function.
I'm pretty sure there wasn't a delay added, just another check to make sure you're not firing while the weapon is cycling.
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I'm pretty sure there wasn't a delay added, just another check to make sure you're not firing while the weapon is cycling.
As far as I know, when I have a match on tunnel, I can hardly do early shooting anymore due to single fire being slowed down a lot compared to earlier. I was able to shoot a lot faster before.
That makes it pretty useless in competition. Except when I play against Ganja, he still eats my bullets :makemyday:
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As far as I know, when I have a match on tunnel, I can hardly do early shooting anymore due to single fire being slowed down a lot compared to earlier. I was able to shoot a lot faster before.
That makes it pretty useless in competition. Except when I play against Ganja, he still eats my bullets :makemyday:
my thoughts exactly, same goes for being red and wanting to shoot single because of accuracy. Does nothing, except on Ganja that is.
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I'm pretty sure this is a case of half empty vs half full. The weapon wasn't slowed down (again, as far as I know), it's just that you're used to "exploiting" the weapon in-game and now that you see what it looks like when it properly works, you think it's slower. The reality is, the previous was faster because it was bugged.
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I disagree with this, I can just click a lot faster compared with how the gun fires. With burst you can still shoot out bursts faster.
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Then it probably wasn't fixed in bursts either. I don't know how else to explain this...
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nontheless you admins did something which removed the ability to use singleshot effectivly at all. Without "exploiting" (pressing the fire button fast with your index finger)
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I also thought the single fire was slower, you can really tell if you know the spawn spam on tunnel.
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Then it probably wasn't fixed in bursts either. I don't know how else to explain this...
If I may give an advice, do not do the same for bursts or the ar will be overpowered.
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Well it is easy to see if the m16 burst are too fast.
According to Wikipeidia, the M16 rifle fires 700-650 rounds a minute. (which is what I would figure as well).
I know you can empty a 30 round magazine here in AA in about 3 seconds (don't know the exact time), so that would make it only ~600 rounds a minute, which would be slower than the real thing.
If someone wishes to get the exact time it takes for the weapon to empty a 30 round magazine, you can go ahead and test it (for added measurement accuracy, you can do it online with slomo 0.1 and then divide the time by 10) and then calculate how fast the weapon fires in the game.
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Then it probably wasn't fixed in bursts either. I don't know how else to explain this...
If you are going for realism, and think that singleshots in AA, as it stands now is realistic. I call you ever having fired a weapon as fast as you can in singlemode total bullshit. Don't touch burst, have a look at every other FPS game which has a burst fireing weapon in it, and take the advice from the devs of those games, take the hint. Think about what you say, people here actually take your word for fact.
You are obviously forgetting that a seasoned soldier reloads his gun twice as fast as in AA, ducktaped soldiermags, either as a 69 or side to side.
Once again, you.cannot.bring.fullon.realism.into.americasarmy.don't.even.try.you.will.fuck.it.up
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Maybe it is not possible to do full game of realism but some parts are possible to make it more realistic than it is now.
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Ares, your text is unbearably painful to read. It's hard to figure out what your point is.
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Ares, your text is unbearably painful to read. It's hard to figure out what your point is.
- You never tried fireing a gun in singlemode if you think AA is realistic with it's singlemode action now.
- Reloads are faster in real life
- Don't touch shit if you obviously have no idea
- People listen to you, think before stating "facts"
- Compared to other FPS games, which has a burst weapon, AA is not faster when it comes to shooting bursts. Use that fact as a benchmark.
Maybe it is not possible to do full game of realism but some parts are possible to make it more realistic than it is now.
like singleshot?....
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- You never tried fireing a gun in singlemode if you think AA is realistic with it's singlemode action now.
- Reloads are faster in real life
I'm pretty sure Spanky never said single fire was made realistic, they just made it act the way it was meant to act in this game.
As for the reload, sure you could have your duct-taped mags (which I've used in training), but you can't really have more than 2 or 3 together so you can't do it endlessly.
And it might just be the uniform of us Estonian soldiers, but getting a mag from the belt took more time for me than it does here in AA, simply because it has to be safely attached, otherwise you'd lose it crawling down a forest.
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I'm pretty sure Spanky never said single fire was made realistic, they just made it act the way it was meant to act in this game.
As for the reload, sure you could have your duct-taped mags (which I've used in training), but you can't really have more than 2 or 3 together so you can't do it endlessly.
And it might just be the uniform of us Estonian soldiers, but getting a mag from the belt took more time for me than it does here in AA, simply because it has to be safely attached, otherwise you'd lose it crawling down a forest.
battleharnes (spelling) allows you to have mags on your chest with a rubber "handle" on the bottom of the mag. Still lets the mag sit in its pouch firm, yet can be jerked out fast and without delay. No pocket to fuck around with, although you usually have 2-3 mags there and the rest is kept in pockets, i know what you mean. And it's a pain in the ass.
Im pretty sure the singlefire and burst modes worked just as intended, if not they would have changed it, simple as.