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America's Army => General Chat => Topic started by: -Vegeta- on Sunday, April 05, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
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Hard to believe that not one person aknoledged today is easter sunday and its the day Jesus raised from the dead. I am guessing it means not a lot to many if any in here?
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Hard to believe that not one person aknoledged today is easter sunday and its the day Jesus raised from the dead. I am guessing it means not a lot to many if any in here?
Lol. Happy Easter :) i took a visit to my grandparents's home.
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Aside from Possessed, I haven't seen many religious people on here.
Having seen a Facebook timeline chock full of religious shite, I'm pretty tired of it already and I've only been awake for a half hour.
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I dont do religeon. And yes there is a lot of crap out there. For instance 42000 Christian denominations cant all be right. Somethins wrong
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I dont do religeon. And yes there is a lot of crap out there. For instance 42000 Christian denominations cant all be right. Somethins wrong
God can act in different ways, with different ppl, but in the end the word and the objective is the same, "know the truth and the truth shall set you free".
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Jesus raised from the dead.
Back then there were still respawn servers ... explains alot
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The word is open to man interpritation and theat why there are 42000 diferent opnions of what right and what wrong
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The word is open to man interpritation and theat why there are 42000 diferent opnions of what right and what wrong
Right, but some ppl seek knowledgment with God, thus knowing what he says, not allowing space for mistakes of interpetation :)
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Aside from Possessed, I haven't seen many religious people on here.
Having seen a Facebook timeline chock full of religious shite, I'm pretty tired of it already and I've only been awake for a half hour.
Happy Easter! May God save your soul, keep you fine & refill your Paypal account xD
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I'm not "religious" anymore, I still have faith in God and I can never deny him.
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The word is open to man interpritation and theat why there are 42000 diferent opnions of what right and what wrong
The problem is... The 'word' IS man's interpretation. There's nothing that sets it apart from other works of fiction.
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The problem is... The 'word' IS man's interpretation. There's nothing that sets it apart from other works of fiction.
According to your 5 senses :)
@ possesed He paid for all souls to go. Its now over to them to recieve it or not. Its all payed for salvation healing and freedom of the mind all paid for now. For everyone.
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The odds for a guy called Jesus To come and die on a cross who cliams to be God who said he would raise from the dead three days later. His whole life was predicted with 300 mesanic prophesys and 22 NT prophesys. The odds are 1over 84 and 100 zeros. Really sets it apart from every other book Spanky. Also sets Him apart from all other men.
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who cares !?
Maybe leave religion, politics, racism etc. out of assist.
All the same shit and endless discussions :down:
Lord-of-War :style:
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How was his life predicted? Lots of people were strapped to a cross back then. Thems were torturous times.
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who cares !?
Maybe leave religion, politics, racism etc. out of assist.
All the same shit and endless discussions :down:
Lord-of-War :style:
This.
Unless people can talk about Teh Religiouz Stuff without flaming ^^ sooo unlikely.
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Spanky the messanic text are all about Christ coming. From many different prophets on many occasions and at many different times. All fortold of a coming messiah. 300 different propheys about Him. You cant rubbish it if you dont know about it. That would just be plain dumb ass. I know your better than that. Lord says what I would expect. But I at least expect a serious disscusion out of you. The difference with this book and all the others is very clear with a little understanding. Most of what you have seen through religeon will be just that religeon. Religeon is dead works nothing more than dead works. Most churches in the 42000 I mentioned are dead churches. There is only one church of Christ and it backs up what it says as it goes. You will know them by there works. These signs will follow those that believe. Two verses most churches dont see or understand. Ask any Christian what they mean and they will have no clue. They mean what they say. The signs are what Christ did in His ministry. They follow those who believe. I know for a fact That it works . I say people healed from my hand through Christ and His word. The signs are what Jesus done He healed them all. And as soon as the church gets it so will they. I seen so many kid on Christians. That give a false impresion of what God is really like through there misunderstanding opf the bible.
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I'm being serious Vegeta :)
Here's my issue with prophecies; There's a LOT of people that got it wrong. Roman gods, Greek gods Hindu gods... the list goes on, like your 4200. The problem is, anybody can say they're the son/daughter of god. How do you prove them wrong? There are people that will believe it, much like a cult. They get sucked in believing that this person they're following is the greatest and wisest person they've met. Few years later, it all ends in a hail of gunfire with a government raid. Happens all the time, except 2015 years ago they didn't have guns so they tortured him.
See what I mean? There's a story, a prophecy, someone steps up as leader, everybody loves him. It's a cult. There's no distinction between the two, none. Except, it's been dragged on a bit too long.
Here's what I 'believe';
I believe that the bible is man's latest non-scientific attempt at explaining the world and life. It's stuck around because there's a guidance aspect to it. It's taught to young children that absorb any kind of information and don't question it and they grow up with it and continue to believe it. People genuinely thought lightning and storms came from the Greek god Zeus but we all find that silly now because we know it's static electricity buildup. At least they had something in this physical world to try and explain. In our modern world, there's no role for a christian god. What does he do? Nothing. There's no evidence or anything that you can attribute to a christian god. Look back thousands of years, hell, even 500 years and look at all the fucking horrible things we've done to each other as humans. Billions of people dying and being killed, suffering. He doesn't step in once? We ARE supposed to be created in his image but he doesn't care about our well-being as a species? Then why should we care about him, if he even does exist? It's not a god-given miracle that you're here, it's millions years of balls deep penetration. The only shred that religion hangs on is where did we come from? Everything else has answers except that. Just because I don't have an answer for it doesn't mean that your first guess is right. It could be, I'll fully admit that. There could be a god. The problem is, neither of us knows for 100% sure. I'm just less sure than you are.
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I'm so glad I do not a belive in this so called god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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this thread
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I remember like 7 years ago agreeing with Nate that holidays are stupid, but whatever. Happy Easter.
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God can act in different ways, with different ppl, but in the end the word and the objective is the same, "know the truth and the truth shall set you free".
TBS ...
The problem is... The 'word' IS man's interpretation. There's nothing that sets it apart from other works of fiction.
TRUE ...
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THIS ...
Happy Easter
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I'm being serious Vegeta :)
Here's my issue with prophecies; There's a LOT of people that got it wrong. Roman gods, Greek gods Hindu gods...
You missed what I said The prophets in the bible got it right. I told you the bookies odds on that happening and it happened.
Your nuts if you ignore that and you look like you have chossen to do that.
the list goes on, like your 4200. The problem is, anybody can say they're the son/daughter of god. How do you prove them wrong? There are people that will believe it, much like a cult. They get sucked in believing that this person they're following is the greatest and wisest person they've met. Few years later, it all ends in a hail of gunfire with a government raid. Happens all the time, except 2015 years ago they didn't have guns so they tortured him.
Ok so with regard to the 300 forseen testimonies about Christ about where He would be born about where He would die and how he would die and who would come to see Him and everything in every detail was said. You think Jesus decided hey that sounds like me Think I will lay down my life for then to think I am Gods son. Come on man get a grip?
Apart from that all the evidemce is he raised again. Hes a live. Hundreds of witnesses. Tons of proof. You think all the marters died willingly for a lie. You think the two Roman soilders put to death for a lie. Philipian Jailer lied. You think recorded hidtory is all a lie that the sky turned black when He said it is finnished in a loud voice. You think recorded history about the 39 lashes is a lie and that is another prohetic word recorded 800 years before. That by His stripes you are healed is all false and just happened to fit. I am so pleased you at least are willing to say there might be a God. Compared to the drongos in here that have nothing but there own little hatreds toward me. In all my time I never saw wicked swear cuss or say a single thing agaisnt anyone in all his time in -ACI-. So he was living a lie in there trying to fit in. and hes doing that sanme here.
See what I mean? There's a story, a prophecy, someone steps up as leader, everybody loves him. It's a cult. There's no distinction between the two, none. Except, it's been dragged on a bit too long.
Yes I see what you mean with all the others because they are all false. What I said about the bible is recoreded history no getting away from that with a little reseach.
Here's what I 'believe';
I believe that the bible is man's latest non-scientific attempt at explaining the world and life.
The bible is very scientific. Its full of things scientific. Dark light is mentioned by Christ before anyone ever said it. Know one knew about dark light before Him. Genissis mentiond the world being roung before anyone ever discoverd it was round. And when they discoverd it was round or the cliam was made the Church killed the guy who said it. Even thought it was in the bible. God sits above the circ of the earth. Christ says dont let you light be dark light, but letyour light be light.
It's stuck around because there's a guidance aspect to it. It's taught to young children that absorb any kind of information and don't question it and they grow up with it and continue to believe it.
If there is a God and if He knows what He is talking about. And if He created life earth the universe and all thing else. And if He says come to me like little children, dont you think there might be a good reason for that? I know from my experiance that when I just believe Him I see things happen.
People genuinely thought lightning and storms came from the Greek god Zeus but we all find that silly now because we know it's static electricity buildup.
Yes and people today still believe a load of crap. Like God says there nothing new in all the earth.
At least they had something in this physical world to try and explain. In our modern world, there's no role for a christian god. What does he do? Nothing. There's no evidence or anything that you can attribute to a christian god. Look back thousands of years, hell, even 500 years and look at all the fucking horrible things we've done to each other as humans. Billions of people dying and being killed, suffering. He doesn't step in once?
We have something physical to see and I see it often or as often as I care to step in to. By that I mean. I just started to listen to a guy who is teaching what the bible actully says.
I already quoted it to you . Believers will lay hands on the sick and they will be healed. And if your sick call the elders and they will say the prayer of faith and they will be healed. Jesus Christ Healed them all. And He wants us doing the same. But as long as we try to rationalize it will never happen. Dont you know that the dead have been raise in over 200 countries?
People are getting healed by men awoman and children who take God at His word. I started going this three years ago and have seen 50 people healed out of about 250. So thats about 20%. My wives kness were healed by a guy in boston. 10 minute prayer. No pain since that was two years ago.
We ARE supposed to be created in his image but he doesn't care about our well-being as a species? Then why should we care about him, if he even does exist?
What is His image to you? There is no way you could talk like this if you knew what His image is.
We are created in His image. His image is Spirit ours is also Spirit. But very few recognize that because we all fall for the lie satan tells us. We failed were weak, were worthless, we cant plase God. were not good enough even the church preaches this same drivel that satan preaches. That is all satans lie. Christ says satan comes to steal kill and destroy. But I come to give you life and life more abundent.
It's not a god-given miracle that you're here, it's millions years of balls deep penetration. The only shred that religion hangs on is where did we come from? Everything else has answers except that. Just because I don't have an answer for it doesn't mean that your first guess is right. It could be, I'll fully admit that. There could be a god. The problem is, neither of us knows for 100% sure. I'm just less sure than you are.
God gave us free will to do as WE please. Hitler had free will, To my understanding God never took it away from him at any point. Other wise God would be a hypocrite. So all the differnt things that would have helped in the war God cant move because we have free will. God also gave us dominion of the earth to rule it. We dont do that because we are sitting back waiting for God to do something. Most churches are crying out FALSELY against God saying why did little Tommy die God couldnt you save him. Why did you take him? God never took any mans life in the new covanant. satan came to kill remember? We have free will and have dominion over all the earth and everything in it. But very few are walking in it because of there unbelief.
As for millions of years of ball bashing start an other thread on evolution and I will kick your arse of the planet on that pathetic excuse for a debate. There is no proff of evolution anywhere on the planet aniother lie fron satan that man fell into like sheep. But I dont want to mix the two please start another anyone who wants to debate that .
So its cool to have an adult disccusion for a change. I now remember how I act in the real world again.
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There is no God. I actually hate crazy christians that argue on the internet qouiting the fucking bible more than i hate ISIS people beheading people.. I mean they might be too retarded to think with their own brain outside the koran and dont have acess to books but if you live in the 21st century there is no fucking space for religion, science has answers to everthing. Christianity is the most retarded religion and i love easter cause every time jesus comes down to suck my **** , there.. Like half of americans think that jesus will come down from heaven in the next 50 years (look it up, im not trolling) haha
http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/jesus-christs-return-to-earth/ (http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/jesus-christs-return-to-earth/)
Christianity was only made to make pesants feel like if they obey and work had they will reach heaven, and even if you look at the church during history youll see they have done much worse than any other religion. Now here you have Vegeta believing a 2000 year old book cause his parents brainwashed him when he was a kid. :(
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The whole thread makes me sick - especially the picture of that pig
I think I am gonna go and throw up
I just woke up fucking Jesus Christ
Lord-of-War :style:
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if I would say something, then I would say exactly the same as Spanky.
with the addition that more then 50% of all wars were done by religious reasons, started a long time ago. sad to say.
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Yahoo! Audible - Insults - Barf (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3ieYAEZhuo#)
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There is no God. I actually hate crazy christians that argue on the internet qouiting the fucking bible more than i hate ISIS people beheading people.. I mean they might be too retarded to think with their own brain outside the koran and dont have acess to books but if you live in the 21st century there is no fucking space for religion, science has answers to everthing. Christianity is the most retarded religion and i love easter cause every time jesus comes down to suck my **** , there.. Like half of americans think that jesus will come down from heaven in the next 50 years (look it up, im not trolling) haha
http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/jesus-christs-return-to-earth/ (http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/jesus-christs-return-to-earth/)
Christianity was only made to make pesants feel like if they obey and work had they will reach heaven, and even if you look at the church during history youll see they have done much worse than any other religion. Now here you have Vegeta believing a 2000 year old book cause his parents brainwashed him when he was a kid. :(
You do not believe in God? Me too, but your choice doesn't give you rights to throw your shit on God's name ... just because religion is too complex for your small brain.
To me, holidays like this one is a great family time, tradition which I appreciate most despite my atheism.
BTW: Find yourself a girlfriend, so you will not need someone so elusive / imaginary to 'comes down to suck your ****'
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You do not believe in God? Me too, but your choice doesn't give you rights to throw your shit on God's name ... just because religion is too complex for your small brain.
To me, holidays like this one is a great family time, tradition which I appreciate most despite my atheism.
BTW: Find yourself a girlfriend, so you will not need someone so elusive / imaginary to 'comes down to suck your ****'
Exactly, I totally agree with NBD here.
Even though I do not beleive in God, I do beleive they can beleive their own thing, as long as they do not bother me with it, I do beleive some special family times are good for everybody, and that's why I enjoy these days.
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You do not believe in God? Me too, but your choice doesn't give you rights to throw your shit on God's name ... just because religion is too complex for your small brain.
To me, holidays like this one is a great family time, tradition which I appreciate most despite my atheism.
BTW: Find yourself a girlfriend, so you will not need someone so elusive / imaginary to 'comes down to suck your ****'
Why cant i throw shit about God? Vegeta said something about free will and Hitler LOL.. I can obviusly shittalk god as much as i want.
And i didnt say anything is wrong with the holiday you downie, obviusly its one of few times familys get together..
And yeah your sister is coming over later, ask her if she bought condoms
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I knew from when this thread started to take the turn towards a "religous debate" or whatever that it would get kind of like it is now :)
I don't believe in god, never have, never will. There's been countless people trying to shove it down my throat, never stuck.
But saying that everything in the Bible is pure gold is just laughable.
I'll just leave a wiki entry as response to one thing in Vegata's long post:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth)
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I dont hold any problem with any one in here saying anything they like about God. None. I understand here they are coming from. But isnt it amazing how offended they get over it? Isis is ok compard to Christains that make lots of sense. So for all the nay sayers I really must ask why are you here reading the thread? Just to take the piss. Even that is ok. I dont take offence from any of that at all. You wont get that in Church. So nice to see a couple of guys who dont believe in God but have enough knowledge to realise that you cant knock what you dont understand.
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comparing ISIS with Christains while ISIS is killing Christains, ppl should read the news before they start to spread shit and look like retards. Its funny how ppl get mad at something they dont belive.
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comparing ISIS with Christains while ISIS is killing Christains, ppl should read the news before they start to spread shit and look like retards. Its funny how ppl get mad at something they dont belive.
It's all about killing innocent in the name of whatever god.
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I often get offended because religious people tend to push their ideas and opinions on other people, that's how it spreads.
I don't have enough coffee to respond to your full post Vegeta but it is chock full of crazy.
You're taking a book written by several people 2000 years ago, translated through several languages, revised several times and basing your life off of it when you have no proof/evidence of it happening. Back then, it could have just been a few guys smoking some herb or just getting shit-faced and telling a story. Even if you look back 200 years, times were WAY different and it was by far easier to spread lies and deceit and get away with it. Sure, all of the people involved with Jesus could be real, I won't argue that. But how credible are these tales? Maybe Jesus was nailed to the cross because they were tired of his batshit stories.
Watch this video, it can explain things a helluva lot better than I can;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DopvUVt7uU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DopvUVt7uU)
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I really thought you had more than that. You actully have nothing shame but hey ho. I could give you videos, what the point I can get over what I understand and have seen but you aint got nothing. Shame that.
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Haha people like you should be sent into hospitals :D
And to the guy comparing my post about ISIS and people quoting the bible on the internet, its actually more annoying. Besides christianity killed way more people through history, burning witches, crusades etc. Burning books about science etc.. Kinda like what ISIS is doing now right? And if 50% of the people in murica think jesus will descend in the next 50 years imagine if some crazy priest told some community to load their guns and start killing for jebus lmao.. Religion is retarded and only makes people stupid, if you want to fucking argue about it then start with your retarded parents that forced the religion to you so you can blab about free will now, idiot
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My parents dont go to church so your also wrong about that. Just another example of you talking crap.
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Vegeta, I have a request and it's much like James Randi's paranormal challenge except that I don't have a million dollars to give away. The stakes are arguably higher though, I'll explain why later.
It's simple; prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a/any god exists.
Should be easy since you believe it 100% without any doubt right? Please, in all sincerity, I'm asking you to do that. I genuinely want there to be proof. The world would be such a better place if we knew for certain. It would fundamentally change societies across the globe. So, please, share it with us.
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He doesn't need to prove anything, and if he attemps, hes going against God's word. Either you have faith or not, its not up to anyone to make you belive, salvation is not coletive.
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Sounds like a cop-out to me. I'm not asking him to make me believe, I'm asking him to provide proof so the world-wide debate can be ended once and for all. If there is no proof then the entire argument fails and all denominations of religion are still unsure.
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I told you I prayed for 250 people and seen 50 of them healed how does that work if its not God? We all know 100% its not me. I have only done this in the last 3 years. The previous 21 years as a praying Christian I never saw one person healed. Jesus said a perversed generation asks for a sign/proof. He doesnt mean that in a condeming way. Hes just saying our minds and our thinking is perversed/twisted from where its ment to be. As Christ said I never came in to the world to condem the world ie you and all other people. Rather I came to give them life more abundent. You know and I know that deep down you have a desire to find God.
You can not ignore 300 prophetic records that were all said long before He got here and done what they all said He would do. Thats a cop out.
Possesed how is it going against Gods word trying to persude people of Gods exsistance. You dont have scripture for that.
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I told you I prayed for 250 people and seen 50 of them healed how does that work if its not God?
Ever heard of the placebo effect?
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Yes of coarse thats why doctors use it every day and the medical services world wide are all free. They dont use it.
It dosent work. If it did they would use it. Did it ever work for you? No it didnt. I will go as far as to say no one in here ever saw it work either. Doctors dont use the placebo effect.
I pray for a guy with a heart murmer since he was born 38 years . Every year he gets a med cert so he can work off shore rigs. 15 second prayer set him free doc confirms he doest have a heart murmer. Forget placebo the power is in His name. Two guys both mate one Christian one not. Both of them cancelled pre booked opps for there knees, both are perfect today. Prayed for a guy who took his boat out of the sea. He told his sons get another job. I prayed for him and he is off all his meds. boat is back in the water.
A man with an experiance is NEVER at the mercy of a man with an argument.
So in your own words Ganja tell me about the placebo dont wiki it. I love how people come in through in a little two second responce and expect so much back. Every thing I said so far was ignored. No one has said any thing I said is wrong. No one. Least not with any thing of substance.
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Yes of coarse thats why doctors use it every day and the medical services world wide are all free. They dont use it.
It dosent work. If it did they would use it. Did it ever work for you? No it didnt. I will go as far as to say no one in here ever saw it work either. Doctors dont use the placebo effect.
I pray for a guy with a heart murmer since he was born 38 years . Every year he gets a med cert so he can work off shore rigs. 15 second prayer set him free doc confirms he doest have a heart murmer. Forget placebo the power is in His name. Two guys both mate one Christian one not. Both of them cancelled pre booked opps for there knees, both are perfect today. Prayed for a guy who took his boat out of the sea. He told his sons get another job. I prayed for him and he is off all his meds. boat is back in the water.
A man with an experiance is NEVER at the mercy of a man with an argument.
So in your own words Ganja tell me about the placebo dont wiki it. I love how people come in through in a little two second responce and expect so much back. Every thing I said so far was ignored. No one has said any thing I said is wrong. No one. Least not with any thing of substance.
I don't want to go to "deep" into this religious talk. But yes I've heard a lot about placebo that did cure some people. Hell I even heard about cancer getting cured by placebo ...
My point was how can you be so sure it was God that healed those people.
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@Possessed: +1
... I'm impressed.
@Spanky: 'Stick has two ends' ...
As you said: 'It's simple; prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a/any god' doesn't exists.
@-Vegeta-: No offence, but you're naive ... Even if God exist, He has no power on Earth - faith (not necessarily in God) by itself does wonders.
You need to do some more reading ... but the next time, try to understand what you read and do not believe blindly to everything that is written in the Bible. For over 2000 years the Vatican remade Bibles at a great tool for brain washing - don't be one of its victims.
As I've said: Religion / Faith is very complex.
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@Spanky: 'Stick has two ends' ...
As you said: 'It's simple; prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a/any god' doesn't exists.
Prove there isn't an invisible unicorn following you around everywhere you go. You can't prove something doesn't exist. It's a logical fallacy. Ignorance about something says nothing about it's existence.
However, I agree with your assertion about religion and how people are constantly rewriting the "word of god" to fit their agendas. Even if a god existed and told his wishes to mankind, it would be so skewed by human greed and desire for power that it wouldn't be legitimately what happened.
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Jesus was a Democrat
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How is it going against Gods word trying to persude people of Gods exsistance. You dont have scripture for that.
You shouldn't keep arguing with ppl that dont want to belive while you can reach a lot of ppl that are open to receive him ;)
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There is no God. I actually hate crazy christians that argue on the internet qouiting the fucking bible more than i hate ISIS people beheading people.. I mean they might be too retarded to think with their own brain outside the koran and dont have acess to books but if you live in the 21st century there is no fucking space for religion, science has answers to everthing. Christianity is the most retarded religion and i love easter cause every time jesus comes down to suck my **** , there.. Like half of americans think that jesus will come down from heaven in the next 50 years (look it up, im not trolling) haha
http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/jesus-christs-return-to-earth/ (http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/jesus-christs-return-to-earth/)
Christianity was only made to make pesants feel like if they obey and work had they will reach heaven, and even if you look at the church during history youll see they have done much worse than any other religion. Now here you have Vegeta believing a 2000 year old book cause his parents brainwashed him when he was a kid. :(
About the best post I read here . Ty for the great laugh before I have to go to bed......
Your post is priceless!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jesus was a Democrat
I don't know man, I don't think Jesus supported big government or gay marriage. :P
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faith (not necessarily in God) by itself does wonders.
That's pretty much the placebo effect Ganja was taking about right there.
People can just believe they're getting help and their bodies will heal themselves.
I know from experience people will prefer to get a shot rather than the same amount of medicine administered orally when they're sick (or sick enough). It just makes them feel that they're getting more for some reason. And that makes them heal faster.
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I don't know man, I don't think Jesus supported big government or gay marriage. :P
Jesus fought against the state like all heroic Democrats do. Jesus would be pals with Rachel Maddow if he were around today (physically that is, I feel his presence now actually)
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=784087348293854&fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=784087348293854&fref=nf)
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Jesus fought against the state like all heroic Democrats do. Jesus would be pals with Rachel Maddow if he were around today (physically that is, I feel his presence now actually)
I actually laughed out loud at this. bravo. :up:
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Spanky?
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Really funny when you get people throwing in a 10 cent tuppeny comment with no substance to it. And they are ten a penny and worthless. :) So the bible was changed to suit any one who wanted to minipulate.
So for anyone with any doubts as to what was changed why and when and how do I rectify it. Here ya go.
You now have no excuse to say anything against any bibles as you will be able to look it un in the ORIGINAL text.
http://www.scripture4all.org (http://www.scripture4all.org)
An online, web browser-based tool (no software install needed) is at:
http://interlinearbible.org (http://interlinearbible.org)
My English and Greek comparison verb charts (__ loos_ vs. _λυ_):
http://www.wiebefami (http://www.wiebefami)..._verbcharts.htm
The most helpful article I've read on Greek aorist tense, by A.E. Knoch:
http://www.scripture (http://www.scripture)...ish_Indefinite/
Source to get Greek interlinear Septuagint (OT Koine Greek translation):
http://apostolicbible.com/ (http://apostolicbible.com/)
The following website lets you look up Greek words online. If you position your mouse pointer over any word, a pop-up will give you the "Strong's" definition of the original Hebrew or Greek word. If you then click on that word, it will tell you much more about that word, including other places the word is used, which are also hyperlinked:
http://biblehub.com/nas/matthew/1.htm (http://biblehub.com/nas/matthew/1.htm)
Look up early English Bible translations online:
http://thebiblecorne (http://thebiblecorne).../englishbibles/
http://www.studyligh (http://www.studyligh)...sk/parallel.cgi
The Perseus Digital Library of Tufts University in Boston is an immense library of classical Greek literature, with an online web-based search engine:
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/ (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/)
The Thesaurus Linguae Graecae is another digital library of Greek Literature
http://stephanus.tlg.uci.edu/ (http://stephanus.tlg.uci.edu/)
Included in the above is an online version of the Liddell-Scott-Jones Greek-English Lexicon, covering all classical Greek literature:
http://stephanus.tlg (http://stephanus.tlg)...du/lsj/lsj.html
Add-ons to easily type in Greek character font:
Mozilla Firefox web browser and/or Thunderbird e-mail client:
"Transliterator" http://www.benya.com/transliterator/ (http://www.benya.com/transliterator/)
Google Chrome or Chromium web browser:
Google Input Tools (by Google)
https://chrome.googl (https://chrome.googl)...inagocijmpgbhab
If you are running Unix/Linux, you can add the Greek keyboard as an option using iBus Preferences, and switch back and forth by pressing the Super-Space keys, or another hotkey of your choice. If someone knows how to easily switch back and forth using Microsoft Windows, Mac OS-X, or Android, let me know.
If you have an Apple iOS device (iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch),
Search "Greek and Hebrew Study Bible" on Apple iOS App Store
Or, from a web browser:
https://itunes.apple (https://itunes.apple)...=8&ign-mpt=uo=2
Search "Greek Interlinear Bible" on Apple iOS App Store
Or, from a web browser:
https://itunes.apple (https://itunes.apple)...d520000138?mt=8
Search "Strong's KJV 2010" on Apple iOS App Store
Or, from a web browser:
https://itunes.apple (https://itunes.apple)...d378966850?mt=8
Search "grammatical aids" or "igrεεk" (note two epsilon "εε" characters)
Or, from a web browser:
https://itunes.apple (https://itunes.apple)...for/id598581405
The author of that app has an extensive collection of links to resources:
http://www.ntgreekre (http://www.ntgreekre)...-resources.html
Apple iOS Greek on-screen keyboard: Settings --> General --> Keyboard --> Keyboards --> Add New Keyboard --> Greek
(Then toggle on-screen keyboard between English and Greek using the little globe icon at the bottom left.)
Also, I use Olive Tree Bible Software, which works on most platforms (Windows/Mac/iOS/Android, but not Linux), and has many advanced Hebrew/Greek resources, although they are very expensive. I have the BHS Hebrew with morphology, parsings, and lexicon, Septuagint Greek with morphology, parsings, and lexicon, NA27/NA28 with morphology, parsings, lexicon, and critical apparatus, Scriverner's Textus Receptus, Byzantine Greek Majority Text, Latin Vulgate, and both NASB and ESV with linked Strong's numbers and definitions, all on my Apple pocket device. I'll just cite their main page, and not list all the links here, so as not to make this resource list too overwhelming:
http://www.olivetree.com (http://www.olivetree.com)
Oct. 2014 note: Olive Tree overhauled their Bible reader software on 7/14/2014, replacing the core software code platform upon which it is based. I think this applies so far to only Apple iOS (iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch). This has been a disaster. The prior version (5.5.4) worked wonderfully. The new version (5.9.7 through 5.9.11) has so many bugs that it is completely unusable for many users. Proceed with caution!
Also, I use the Logos Bible app, which works on most platforms (Windows/Mac/iOS/Android, but not Linux), and has many advanced Hebrew/Greek resources, although they are very expensive. I have the Liddell-Scott-Jones (LSJ) Greek-English Lexicon covering all Greek classical literature, and a number of non-Bible Greek texts for searching word usage in Greek.
http://www.logos.com (http://www.logos.com)
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Thats what the ignorant do buddy. But its only becuase you live for your self everyday. Now tell me thats wrong? Man has believed the lie that we are created for to please myself. Spanky said if were created in Gods image why are things not right. Cause we fell for the lie. Fact is you are in here looking in the hope of finding something new for the void in your life. If you are so repulsed at Christ why you still here? We both know you life is empty and you suffered wrongs and you have a misunderstanding of God and what people told you God is like. You dont think Christ could love the likes of you, because of the things you have done and the life you lead. But Thats not true at all. God sent His Son to take the blame for what you have done and to restore you to the origanal created palve of value. He sent His Son becuase you even though you laugh at Him and me. He loves you and sees you as worth more than The blood of His son being spilled for you. You are oblivious to His love for you ,But you are still searching for something to fill the void. With out Love you have nothing.
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@Killa: Question was rhetorical. 'You can't deny and you can't conform.'
@-Vegeta-: Relax ... Take some distance ...
Remember why we have a free will?
God stays neutral: He doesn't love anyone, doesn't hate anyone - in other words: He doesn't care what happens on Earth, it's up to us to deal with our lives.
You are 'blind' ... I feel sorry for you.
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God loves everyone equally, but ppl do not love God.
Some ppl think God doesn't exist or that he doesn't care just because he doesn't throw Hamburgers for the hungry kids in Africa, even through he gave us an Entire Planet to benefit of, it is not his fault if ppl have choosen to live in Deserts, leaving their further generations living there in bad conditions, he wants the better for everyone, but ppl have free will and they will face the consequencies for their choices, along with the further generations.
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good books
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Spanky?
I'm here, just waiting for proof so I can send your name in for consideration by the Nobel Prize people.
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well the proof was given but you refuse to look at it serioulsy. Wonder if you believe in evolution? Maybe another thread?
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I didn't see any. Was it in all those broken links you copy-pasted?
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No it was in three hundred people who told the future. But you choose to ignore that so not much point if your just going to rubbish everything with no looking at it on your part.
Nine of the links do work. Inter linear one is all you need for all the proff you need to show what it said in the original scripts
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No it was in three hundred people who told the future. But you choose to ignore that so not much point if your just going to rubbish everything with no looking at it on your part.
I can make at least 500 prophesies that are sure to come true.
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Ted do you have anything adult to bring in here to the discussion. Any thing adult at all? Your not even in it are you?
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I'm not asking about proof of people being right (none of us were around to hear them predict it anyway...) I'm simply asking for proof of god existing.
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Ted do you have anything adult to bring in here to the discussion. Any thing adult at all? Your not even in it are you?
I don't really have time to take part in this discussion, I have better things to do.
Doesn't mean I can't make those prophesies.
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Hey Vegeta. I do respect your belief in God and all, but I'm just curious. We have science proof of how the world was "created", what do you make of it? I'm all serious with this question. Do you not believe science ?
Btw with this image im a bit less serious :
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Ted you had time to come back and talk crap again. So the obvious answer is no you have nothing adult to add. Wonder if you have time to come back.
Ganja I said start another thread. You never and I did. I asked the question over there. So go back and lets see what you have.
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Ted you had time to come back and talk crap again. So the obvious answer is no you have nothing adult to add. Wonder if you have time to come back.
Ganja I said start another thread. You never and I did. I asked the question over there. So go back and lets see what you have.
Your other topic is about evolution, thus not God in my opinion
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Ted you had time to come back and talk crap again. So the obvious answer is no you have nothing adult to add. Wonder if you have time to come back.
Ganja I said start another thread. You never and I did. I asked the question over there. So go back and lets see what you have.
The reason I read these forums is because I am an admin here and thus feel it's my responsibility.
And to be honest, I see this thread (or rather where it's gotten) as a joke and am therefore treating it accordingly.
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Yes you and many others did treat it as a joke You know full well I am not joking and as an admin I do expect better from you and all other admins. Or is that to much to ask?
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Yes you and many others did treat it as a joke You know full well I am not joking and as an admin I do expect better from you and all other admins. Or is that to much to ask?
Of course we treat it as a joke. You can't be naive enough to think you're going to change someone else's beliefs with your posts. Same goes for those saying god doesn't exist. The thread is just one big useless joke.
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Of course we treat it as a joke. You can't be naive enough to think you're going to change someone else's beliefs with your posts. Same goes for those saying god doesn't exist. The thread is just one big useless joke.
And thats how you get people to join you as a comunity know every thing down. Way to lead guys.
Why do you try to change peoples beliefs and tell me I am wrong to do it?
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And thats how you get people to join you as a comunity know every thing down. Way to lead guys.
Why do you try to change peoples beliefs and tell me I am wrong to do it?
Please show me where I tried to change someone's beliefs... I clearly addressed both sides in my post hence the part where I said "same goes for those saying god doesn't exist". This is fairly simple concept to understand. Nobody cares. Nobody will ever care. So why keep arguing just for the sake of arguing? It'll just get you nowhere and only creates hostility.
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Please show me where I tried to change someone's beliefs...
Oh dear Killaman You look at things so shallow.
Every time you open your mouth in here on the street or in your home or school or any where you go . You and all men are trying to make people agree with you. There for your trying to change what they belief to line up with what you want. Men try to persude others hes an ass hole and shes a what ever. You ever done that or not. Its exactly the same thing we all do it every day.
I clearly addressed both sides in my post hence the part where I said "same goes for those saying god doesn't exist". This is fairly simple concept to understand.
Totally and nothing to do with what I am saying.
Nobody cares. Nobody will ever care.
No sir fact is you dont care thats why you say it. But can you see how you with you infinate knowledge spoke for the whole word with that statement. You are awsome man we need to listen to your wisdom.
And the other fact is people do care many people care. Maybe you never met real love I dont know. I would say you havent. Or you would know people do care.
So why keep arguing just for the sake of arguing? It'll just get you nowhere and only creates hostility.
Did you see me arguing with anyone? Did you in this thread see me being hostile in this thread? Did you see the hostility towards me in this thread? Even from you I got it and from teddy. I did not rise It does not natter to me one iota. So am I forcing anyone of anything in here?
The answers no. So why would you direct that question at me? Or the hostility? Or try and bring down my thread with your braod statement "no one cares" ?
Few questions there for ya.
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who really gives a shit about this topic???
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who really gives a shit about this topic???
Vegeta.
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I'm kinda interested to know how people still believe in such things in the 21st century.
God created the world. Jesus respawned it his tomb (or at his cross? not sure about the story). There's a heaven and a hell.
I mean I respect people but deep in myself I can't stop thinking you must be pretty retarded/naive to believe in God with all the knowledge that's available nowadays. Sorry if I offended someone
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I'm kinda interested to know how people still believe in such things in the 21st century.
God created the world. Jesus respawned it his tomb (or at his cross? not sure about the story). There's a heaven and a hell.
I mean I respect people but deep in myself I can't stop thinking you must be pretty retarded/naive to believe in God with all the knowledge that's available nowadays. Sorry if I offended someone
I believe that the bible is man's latest non-scientific attempt at explaining the world and life.
I believe this doesn't go just for the bible, though.
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OK I copy pasted Spankys post from the other thread to here. For the sake of derailing.
^^ This is why my replies have been dwindling in this thread. We've had these discussions before and they get nowhere.
You might have. We never. We may have touched on this in very little terms. This is the first thread I started on this.
Really difficult bring pearls before swine. As you can see the pearls got trampled.
The only things I have to say are this;
- Provide proof god exists.
There are many proofs I gave you an infinite number that forcast Christ was coming and you struck it down as crap with no concideration what so ever. So you are no prepared to even look at it. Nothing more I can do there.
It's not about convincing others to believe,
In your opinion its not, from your understandin. Im my opinion it is all about telling others.
OK to opposing opinions.
You think theres no God and it doesnt matter if your correct.
I think there is a God. If I am right there is a problem. Theres a heaven and hell. If you believ in Jesus you go to heaven. If you dont you go to hell. Thats a problem. So I want to tell others how easy it is to avoid going to hell.
Thats really simple. Its either your right or I am. At least in this disccussion anyway.
it's about ending religious conflict in the world. Wouldn't god/Jesus want you do help your fellow man and make the world a better place? If you say no and it's not your job to convince others or prove anything, that's a total cop-out like religion in whole.
Where would you get an idea thing like that from. Let me tell you the heart of God thats where. That is the heart of God. Peace. He sent His Son to destroy the woks of satan. So how does it work? Adam was created in Gods image as you quoted. Adam was told dont touch the tree of good and evil. satan tempts eve, lies to her she eats. Adam sees it . Eve doesnt die. Adam knows God says you will surly die, So adam was not decived but desired knowldege. Now hes hiding cause he knows he naked. Any way. So adam by disobaying God has ineffect gave dominion of the earth over to satan. satan is the ruler of the air. God said to dsatan in ther book of Job. All he has (Job that is) is in your hands. Meaning you are ruler of the earth. Jump forward. Jesus ambushes satan by dying on the cross. satan thinks hes killed the messiah and its over. Christ raises from the dead. sucker punch. Now he is ruler of the earth and has all power on the earth and in heaven. So Christ gives us this power to take dominion of the earth again. Many have missed it, the church only has salvation to offer. abd they also think it is the most importabt thing. Its not what Christ died for . He was wipped at the post for our healing right now. But we dont walk in it yest cause the church has missed it and does not understand it. He died for the remission of sin for us. He paid it every one is forgiven now. Its paid for now. Church says it but still fails to grap it in its entirity.
We are now free. God doesnt look at any man with disdain. He sent His Son to take the blame . So if He would send his Son to suffer for you, Theres nothing he would nt give you. Nothing!!!
So why all the suffering why all the pain. Man has free will. God will not break His word ever on anything. We have free will. But we say why didnt God stop the war/hitler? God cant He never lies He never turns. If God interupted hitlers will then hes a hypocrite. He cant. The whole world suffers like child bearing pian waiting for the sons of God to mainfest. Who are the sons of God Believers. Full gospell believing believers. Who will take over were Christ left off. Healing the sick raising the dead casting out demons. Then the world will know that there is a God who loves themn to the point where He sent Christ To take the sin away from us and resore us to our original created value. Thank you Jesus.
It's all about relinquishing control on your life and blaming a higher power for your problems.
It is all about relinquishing control of your life. Bang on:) Christ say no greater deed can you do than lay down your life for another. Hes telling us lay down your life make your self last, make others first. make the lowest first.
In here right now people are calling God all sorts of things because the church has given a very bad impression of what God actully wants
- Provide a reasonable argument as to why we need religion/god. If you can't provide proof, at least provide a legitimate reason as to why people need it. Using it as a crutch in life isn't a legitimate reason.
I already told you Isaw people healed completly. The sick need healed and people in general need set free from the physical,mentel torments. This site is full of hurt people who hurt people. We all need set free from the shit we are sitting in every day of our lives. Cant you see the depth of mans depravity in the last 50 years?
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Vegeta.
Seems you missed my question ted? Did you miss it. Not a difficult one.
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Seems you missed my question ted? Did you miss it. Not a difficult one.
I didn't miss your question, I dismissed it.
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I'm kinda interested to know how people still believe in such things in the 21st century.
God created the world. Jesus respawned it his tomb (or at his cross? not sure about the story). There's a heaven and a hell.
I mean I respect people but deep in myself I can't stop thinking you must be pretty retarded/naive to believe in God with all the knowledge that's available nowadays. Sorry if I offended someone
No offense taken what knowledge would that be?
What your saying here is I know nothing about what the bible says. But I am qualified to discredit it?
So what are you quailfications to say they are retarded if they believe it?
Seems to me logical. That if I read it and believe it, fime.
But you dont read it and say I am a retard.
Dont you think the retard is the person who never read it but feels qualified to say its not true.
Any one reading this would easily pick out the retard.
Thats simple enough yes?
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I didn't miss your question, I dismissed it.
To hard ok np.
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No offense taken what knowledge would that be?
What your saying here is I know nothing about what the bible says. But I am qualified to discredit it?
So what are you quailfications to say they are retarded if they believe it?
Seems to me logical. That if I read it and believe it, fime.
But you dont read it and say I am a retard.
Dont you think the retard is the person who never read it but feels qualified to say its not true.
Any one reading this would easily pick out the retard.
Thats simple enough yes?
It's like a 3 years old kid who reads a disney movie and believes it's real. His parents don't need to read the disney because they know in advance it's not real, that doesn't make them stupid.
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To hard ok np.
No matter how you try to rationalize it to yourself, what you're doing here is trying to get others to read the book you have read.
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No matter how you try to rationalize it to yourself, what you're doing here is trying to get others to read the book you have read.
Where did I deny that? Your just digging in at this ?
can you not see how hurt you are here. whats your problem man? your so offended at me or God whats up man tell me
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No matter how you try to rationalize it to yourself, what you're doing here is trying to get others to read the book you have read.
Where did I deny that?
That's case closed right there.
I've read a bunch of books as well. Not many of them fiction, but I'm not trying to make you read them.
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teddy just dont get why my disscusion is hurting you so much?
Si i open a tread wanting to talk about my God.
Wow you a genuis you let every one know what I was trying to do lol. You said you had no time for this but you made more posts than anyone. Funny that
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There are many proofs I gave you an infinite number that forcast Christ was coming and you struck it down as crap with no concideration what so ever. So you are no prepared to even look at it. Nothing more I can do there.
I chose to ignore it because that doesn't really prove there's a god. Plus there's all kinds of religious idols that lived. The Dalai Lama is a good example...
So I want to tell others how easy it is to avoid going to hell.
That's one thing that's really bugged me about christianity. The whole 'be good or you're going to hell' thing is a bit too childish fairy-tale for me. It's almost narcissistic, thinking you're so special for believing in god, that you get to go to a special place when you die.
Thats really simple. Its either your right or I am. At least in this disccussion anyway.
I agree with this statement and I'll add that the funny part about it that if I'm right, neither of us will know :) We'll be dead, won't be able to ponder this great question anymore.
Where would you get an idea thing like that from. Let me tell you the heart of God thats where. That is the heart of God. Peace. He sent His Son to destroy the woks of satan. So how does it work? Adam was created in Gods image as you quoted. Adam was told dont touch the tree of good and evil. satan tempts eve, lies to her she eats. Adam sees it . Eve doesnt die. Adam knows God says you will surly die, So adam was not decived but desired knowldege. Now hes hiding cause he knows he naked. Any way. So adam by disobaying God has ineffect gave dominion of the earth over to satan. satan is the ruler of the air. God said to dsatan in ther book of Job. All he has (Job that is) is in your hands. Meaning you are ruler of the earth. Jump forward. Jesus ambushes satan by dying on the cross. satan thinks hes killed the messiah and its over. Christ raises from the dead. sucker punch. Now he is ruler of the earth and has all power on the earth and in heaven. So Christ gives us this power to take dominion of the earth again. Many have missed it, the church only has salvation to offer. abd they also think it is the most importabt thing. Its not what Christ died for . He was wipped at the post for our healing right now. But we dont walk in it yest cause the church has missed it and does not understand it. He died for the remission of sin for us. He paid it every one is forgiven now. Its paid for now. Church says it but still fails to grap it in its entirity.
We are now free. God doesnt look at any man with disdain. He sent His Son to take the blame . So if He would send his Son to suffer for you, Theres nothing he would nt give you. Nothing!!!
So why all the suffering why all the pain. Man has free will. God will not break His word ever on anything. We have free will. But we say why didnt God stop the war/hitler? God cant He never lies He never turns. If God interupted hitlers will then hes a hypocrite. He cant. The whole world suffers like child bearing pian waiting for the sons of God to mainfest. Who are the sons of God Believers. Full gospell believing believers. Who will take over were Christ left off. Healing the sick raising the dead casting out demons. Then the world will know that there is a God who loves themn to the point where He sent Christ To take the sin away from us and resore us to our original created value. Thank you Jesus.
Not much I can say to this to be honest.
It is all about relinquishing control of your life. Bang on:) Christ say no greater deed can you do than lay down your life for another. Hes telling us lay down your life make your self last, make others first. make the lowest first.
Sounds.... middle-eastern-ish. Very in-line with the suicide martyrs and those who mass-kill people because of their sins.
I already told you Isaw people healed completly. The sick need healed and people in general need set free from the physical,mentel torments.
You saw... Did a medical professional see? Were there legitimate witnesses with actual proof of permanent physical ailments being healed? If it truly works, why are trillions of dollars being spent of healing physical deformities, curing cancer and the hundreds of other life-crippling problems we face? Why aren't all doctors just priests practicing the healing powers of god? I know many people who suffer on a daily basis and given the opportunity, every single one of them would be genuinely religious if it would mean they were permanently healed. You said you saw 50 out of 250 healed. That's far less than even a placebo effect. Who really knows if they were temporary conditions, fakers or just proving mind-over-matter works.
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:shock:
You saw... Did a medical professional see? Were there legitimate witnesses with actual proof of permanent physical ailments being healed? If it truly works, why are trillions of dollars being spent of healing physical deformities, curing cancer and the hundreds of other life-crippling problems we face? Why aren't all doctors just priests practicing the healing powers of god? I know many people who suffer on a daily basis and given the opportunity, every single one of them would be genuinely religious if it would mean they were permanently healed. You said you saw 50 out of 250 healed. That's far less than even a placebo effect. Who really knows if they were temporary conditions, fakers or just proving mind-over-matter works.
You know (and I bet you do), there was a time where there was no real doctors and only those priests and other such spiritual healers. People lived far less back then. No idea why though :shock:
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:shock:You know (and I bet you do), there was a time where there was no real doctors and only those priests and other such spiritual healers. People lived far less back then. No idea why though :shock:
They still do and its all on the net all over the world
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They still do and its all on the net all over the world
Yes I've seen those adds on the internet. Headache? Heart broken because of love? Want a new job? Much money easy to win? Cancer? Call Mr. Mbogobe Abugrogi and your problem will be solved !
Never thought someone actually believed this aha
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I chose to ignore it because that doesn't really prove there's a god. Plus there's all kinds of religious idols that lived. The Dalai Lama is a good example...
Nah thats a cop out. Like Ganja saying he never read the bible but understands it better than the man that did read it.
Not credable sorry.
That's one thing that's really bugged me about christianity. The whole 'be good or you're going to hell' thing is a bit too childish fairy-tale for me. It's almost narcissistic, thinking you're so special for believing in god, that you get to go to a special place when you die.
You dont need to go and it doesnt say be good or go to hell. Christ said I never came to condem the world but to give you life to the full.
satan comes to steal kill and destroy. He bring sunamies not God. The church still falsley says Gods in charge of every thing nonsesne.
I agree with this statement and I'll add that the funny part about it that if I'm right, neither of us will know :) We'll be dead, won't be able to ponder this great question anymore.
And if I am right and you see it some day we will be able to talk about it for all eternity. :) What a different scenario.
Not much I can say to this to be honest.
Sounds.... middle-eastern-ish. Very in-line with the suicide martyrs and those who mass-kill people because of their sins.
I dont mean lay down and die. Its all about serving everyone forgiving everyone helping everyone and love everyone. Hardly inline with that. But see how easy it is to be a million miles of the mark. See what happened to the churches and how lost they all got?
You saw... Did a medical professional see? Were there legitimate witnesses with actual proof of permanent physical ailments being healed? If it truly works, why are trillions of dollars being spent of healing physical deformities, curing cancer and the hundreds of other life-crippling problems we face? Why aren't all doctors just priests practicing the healing powers of god? I know many people who suffer on a daily basis and given the opportunity, every single one of them would be genuinely religious if it would mean they were permanently healed. You said you saw 50 out of 250 healed. That's far less than even a placebo effect. Who really knows if they were temporary conditions, fakers or just proving mind-over-matter works.
Wonder if anyone makes a profet from that wonder if your goverment doesnt give a monkeys arse for you. Wonder if America went to war in iraq for money. wonder id dick channy was resposible for ir . wonder if he was the guy in charge of the company selling every single thing to the army at the same time as saying we need to go. They have cure but dont give then cause they dont want you healed there no money in that is there? doctors dont do it just like you lot in here no one believes it I already said we are in a very very small minority. If the placebo effect was that good whay are the hospitals full why are there waiting list to get in?
Why aren't all doctors just priests practicing the healing powers of god? I know many people who suffer on a daily basis and given the opportunity, every single one of them would be genuinely religious if it would mean they were permanently healed.
They dont need to even believe. its all in the bible but we dont read it but think were authoritys on it. we decide what God should do but dont know him or what he set in place for us to do to help our selves
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Modern medical practices have evolved through a learning of knowledge, it's not something that showed up overnight. Yes there's a lot of corruption today but our search for medicinal knowledge wouldn't have even begun hundreds/thousands of years ago if faith-based healing actually worked. See my point?
Also, let's say that there IS a god. I would firmly believe that if god is all-knowing and truly loving like you say he is, he would judge our lives and how we treated our fellow man, judge your character and grant you access to the kingdom of heaven based on that. NOT based on if you believe in him or not. As you've said, there's plenty of bad apples as far as religion. Plenty of people that say they're christian but really not. Surely you don't think they'll automatically go to heaven just because they say they believe? Following that logic, surely a nice person wouldn't go to hell just because they don't believe.
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first you have to establish is there a God or not then what does he want then do what he wants.
So yes there is imo and what does he want I already siad he want to restore us to our origanil condition . That is that we walk in perfect harmony with Him. Jesus says everything the Father says . So he said I never came to condem you but to give you life and life to the full measure. satan is destroying you. So get in a right relationship with me, pick your self up and go destroy the works of satan by releasing people. thats the gospel message in a nut shell.
And we havent been here hundreds of thousands of years . But that belongs in the evo thread :)
Do you know any nice people in here. who is the nicest guy you know in here. Apart from me.
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And we havent been here hundreds of thousands of years . But that belongs in the evo thread :)
Oh, right, the Earth was created 10000 years ago, I forgot.
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Do you know any nice people in here. who is the nicest guy you know in here. Apart from me.
Killaman would be one of those people I'd consider Christ-like but not christian. He sits in the group of people who are genuinely nice and kind without requiring a fear of god to be such.
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Killaman would be one of those people I'd consider Christ-like but not christian. He sits in the group of people who are genuinely nice and kind without requiring a fear of god to be such.
But he only show his kidness to who ever he thinks is deserving.
Thats not Christ like thats Conditional.
Christs love is unconditional.
ChristsOh, right, the Earth was created 10000 years ago, I forgot.
Nope your maths are way out and your also in the wrong thread so much confusion. Would want you lot leading in a real situation
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This discussion reminds me of what colour was jesus, I am sorry but vegeta your are so naive really, forcing other to believe your point which proves when you argue and try to place your answer over other views. I would agree for these threads to be locked because this will go another 50 posts that will be nothing but a waste of your post. and some ppl like vegeta clearly believes in books ( bible) that people in centuries have been writing it and changing it to their own agenda.
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hey army cheat where did I force anyone? you all throw this garbage about to ry and justify in your own mind its my fault. So plaes quote where I am forcing anyone to do anything other than think for them selves ? Were as you and most of the others only brough disrution and nothing adult to the discussion? Lets see what you got?????
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hey army cheat where did I force anyone? you all throw this garbage about to ry and justify in your own mind its my fault. So plaes quote where I am forcing anyone to do anything other than think for them selves ? Were as you and most of the others only brough disrution and nothing adult to the discussion? Lets see what you got?????
It's clear that you are. You are using your own arguments against other views, that's a fact you cannot deny, if you can then you are naive to see it. Yet people are still waiting for your answer of proof in god's existence. There are many gods that people believe in, because they been brain washed by their parents or books. Book's like bible's have been re written many centuries by people who wanted power and agenda. I believe if there was no religion, there would be definitely no war against each religion. If we think about all these religions, all they do is they bring chaos between each human being that they defend for what they believe. I lived close to that but there are more facts about god not existing and more valid points than god truly exist. I don't see the answer, I was not bothered to be honest to read some parts you wrote because simply they were too long and boring. I don't mind people believing in god, but there should be no force to make someone believe what you believe, the god you believe wouldn't be happy about it would it be? By the way, I read somewhere that god was black, many say he was Asian, white or Hispanic, but hey we don't know really nor we do if god really exists. Science is the place to learn, it overlaps the religion and science at least proves points. How do you think earth was created? How do you think our planet earth have life forms and how earth had million years ago. Science will tell you, but will god? I see no point in argue with you because you will argue again to put your point of view on mine and rant about it.