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Title: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Monday, March 12, 2012, 00:42:38 AM
Hello All,

My name is Justin, with my playername as ToMb SeNTiNel, and during gameplay today, I was kicked from a server for "Authentication slot closed" and I wasn't too sure what that meant, whether it be that I lost connection or what, so I tried to re-enter the server I was playing in, and I got the message

"BANNED! You have been banned, you can not play this game anymore,
Reason: NoRecoil_2.5.dll and kinject.exe

Now, I've been around AA long enough to know about cheats and hackers in the game, but I've not been one to use or try them. ( I am Active Duty Army, I have a little bit more Integrity than that. )

So, I tried to find out what caused this error, whether it was the name that had been flagged for cheating or what.

I am a little confused, I am a big supporter of AA2, and this is the first time playing AA2 since AA2 was shut down. I found AA2.5 Assist the other day and was like "wow, there is still hope".

I'm not sure how to view the ArmyOps folder because when I downloaded the Assist program, it didn't add the game to "My Computer" on the C: Drive so I can find out if those files were in there, so I don't know exactly what to do.


Hope for some help soon, so I can continue to support this game.

Thanks in Advance,

-Justin

This is my BattleTracker playerstats page:
http://battletracker.com/index.php?page=AAOPlayerStats&pid=814179
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Archeh on Monday, March 12, 2012, 00:47:24 AM
Not sure how much hope their is, but your install can be found in yourname>AppData>Roaming>25Assist
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Monday, March 12, 2012, 00:52:16 AM
You had hacks in your AA installation. No chance for appeal.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Jared on Monday, March 12, 2012, 00:57:16 AM
Can you provide a link do where you downloaded assist from?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Monday, March 12, 2012, 01:11:44 AM
Yes, I read about it from this website and downloaded it from them. http://clansoe.site-forums.com/t307-aa2-download-installer

*EDIT* I also checked at the location of the game as you said, and those listed files above, the recoil and the inject thing, are not listed as files inside my ArmyOps folder or any subfolder inside.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Jared on Monday, March 12, 2012, 01:20:50 AM
after looking at that link, it refers to the main assist download. You have had to download 3rd party stuff and injected into the game.

Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Monday, March 12, 2012, 01:30:39 AM
The kick logs don't lie. But hackers do.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Possessed on Monday, March 12, 2012, 01:39:17 AM
***REMOVED*** No content from cheat sites please. -Spanky
Sentinel, Next time listen to the instructions lol

edit: rgr that Sir! btw was just a quote.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Monday, March 12, 2012, 01:42:37 AM
This really and honestly does not make any sense. Are there any Screenshots that come from AA2.5 Assist or anything like that? You can clearly see my gameplay and tell if a No Recoil cheat is on, I wouldn't have a recoil to my weapon right?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Jared on Monday, March 12, 2012, 01:46:07 AM
No Recoil can't be seen from a screen shot. The file you got kicked for a know public and detected hack for aao.

If your saying this is came from a fresh install of the game please provide the link to the download you used. Anything less won't work.


Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Jonnym on Monday, March 12, 2012, 04:24:28 AM
I do feel sorry for you, Sounds like you love AA2 like the rest of us do. You should have seen the notice when you download and then you would not have ruined your chance to play AA2 again.

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WARNING NOTICE, Here at aao25.com we have a zero tolerance policy against hacking, cheating or exploiting. Even attempting to hack will result in a ban from using our auth system. If you like playing this game then keep your behaviour clean. If you like to hack or cheat then go back to 2.8.5
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Monday, March 12, 2012, 14:34:39 PM
It do understand where every single one of the postings from the admins are coming from, and I completely agree. I just wish there was a possibility of giving it another chance, since I downloaded a Fresh install from this website, where the originial maker of this Assist program is based, and I guarantee I will never be banned for any reason, It sucks in certain situations where good people get stuck with bad names from something they didn't do, or didn't mean to do.

But, with all of this said, there is no solid way to prove it, so I will honor your decision and move along. I love AA2, I would love to support it in any possible way I can, because the game is good, clean fun. I am a very mature individual that can understand where the point of view is coming from. I will continue to support this game, even if that means I cannot play it, by donating to the cause because I do not want to see it go anywhere.

My sincere regards,

-Justin
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: BlueBlaster on Monday, March 12, 2012, 17:17:32 PM
See, the thing is the system is not going to elevate/alert unless you introduce foreign files into the system; that's it there's no way to dick around it, there is no false positive with that sort of thing. And regardless of how long you've played AA, this is the first history you have on the Assist Auth System. Here's your full history on Assist:
Code: [Select]
2012-03-12 03:30:34 | Client Violation | 68.33.92.164 | ToMB-SeNTiNeL | WtaGwwZygBDducNywku+AF3YKLs0 | Alien file found in System folder, Deleted: kInject.exe Len:3683757
2012-03-12 03:30:34 | Client Violation | 68.33.92.164 | ToMB-SeNTiNeL | WtaGwwZygBDducNywku+AF3YKLs0 | Alien file found in System folder, Deleted: NoRecoil_2.5.dll Len:11264
2012-03-12 03:40:06 | 177.18.76.103:1717 | WtaGwwZygBDducNywku+AF3YKLs0 | [AA25] KICK ToMB-SeNTiNeL Authorization Slot Closed

Here's a link to your history file: http://auth.aa25.org/PBLog/814179.txt

As far as I can extrapolate, I see this thinking process:
"VERSION 2.5 OMG OLD VERSION I CAN HACK ALL DAY; NEVER GET CAUGHT"
**Downloads hacks**
**Downloads Assist, logs in, gets banned**
"WTF MATE!"

Seriously man, there has been so many people who went and downloaded year old hacks just because they think it's the same exact 2.5 that was running over 6 years ago. Then when they come to question us about it they always say, 'I DUNNO LOL'. It's annoying, like for real man. If people actually came to say, 'Yea niggas I hacked because I thought it was possible', then just maybe we would be really lenient on them.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Monday, March 12, 2012, 18:25:56 PM
I completely understand BlueBlaster. It makes sense that all those requests would get very annoying, but I wish I could find some possible way to prove my innocence in some form because I am not one of those douchebag cheaters that can't win a game to save their life but I can't prove it and it really sucks because I love this game, im not great at it but I still enjoy it either way.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Jared on Monday, March 12, 2012, 19:14:36 PM
Where did you download the game?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Monday, March 12, 2012, 19:46:28 PM
A download link on that same page I posted previously but im pretty sure I was re-directed to this site or one very similar, and it just had a pop-up that I had to click "download file", now where the original source where the 25assist download was coming from, I do not know.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Monday, March 12, 2012, 20:35:33 PM
Yes, I downloaded the assist from here, but I already had AA 2.5.0 because I thought you had to have a copy of AA 2.5.0 In order to get assist to work, but I downloaded AA2.5.0 from Piratebay because I couldn't find it anywhere else.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: BlueBlaster on Monday, March 12, 2012, 20:37:34 PM
You had 2.5 but downloaded it from Pirate Bay.....what? Is that a grammatical error?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Koden on Monday, March 12, 2012, 20:41:36 PM
Yes, I downloaded the assist from here, but I already had AA 2.5.0 because I thought you had to have a copy of AA 2.5.0 In order to get assist to work, but I downloaded AA2.5.0 from Piratebay because I couldn't find it anywhere else.

(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FpCR0Zs.gif&hash=4d4b1af0d9e4b0f2a479678b8934dd1d)Sorry, it's not like that. You can find copies of the 2.5 install everywhere, from Filefront to Chevy's place, Softpedia, and some other web resources like this:

http://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/AmericasArmy/americasarmy.html
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Monday, March 12, 2012, 21:17:54 PM
I don't know what else to say, at this point, its all hearsay and I can't get any one to realize that "Hey, this guy has made a mistake somewhere on a personal error" so thank you guys anyway. I really care about playing AA2 but it just don't seem possible ever again. I will give AA3 a try and maybe learn to love it as much as AA2 but you'll never see me cheat in AA3 either...I will just keep getting killed but that's part of the game until you get better.

Thank you all for what your doing and sorry for taking up your time to keep replying.

Regards,

-Justin
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Monday, March 12, 2012, 21:28:13 PM
I was looking, and I seen that your Banlist has all these players with their ban reason being that they were using hacks in servers, but mine is "Alien file found in system folder" so that is saying that file was there, but wasn't being used, so if I was cheating wouldn't it have banned me for USING the cheat itself?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: BlueBlaster on Monday, March 12, 2012, 21:30:18 PM
Assist detects cheats/hacks on multiple levels. First by foreign files in the system, then by file integrity check, then by client variable manipulations.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Monday, March 12, 2012, 21:30:43 PM
I was looking, and I seen that your Banlist has all these players with their ban reason being that they were using hacks in servers, but mine is "Alien file found in system folder" so that is saying that file was there, but wasn't being used, so if I was cheating wouldn't it have banned me for USING the cheat itself?
No, you got banned for having the cheats. Such obvious hacks won't ever be used because you will be kicked for just having the files in your AA folder before you can even use them.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Jared on Monday, March 12, 2012, 21:34:32 PM
i think assist also deletes the hacks, so if you get caught and go look in the folder i don't think you will see them, but i could be wrong.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Monday, March 12, 2012, 21:36:26 PM
i think assist also deletes the hacks, so if you get caught and go look in the folder i don't think you will see them, but i could be wrong.
It does. It deletes most foreign files.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Monday, March 12, 2012, 21:37:11 PM
Yea, Assist deletes alien files. You had AA 2.5 hacking files on your computer, that's why you're banned from Assist. You can still play 2.5 and 2.8.5 if you want.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Monday, March 12, 2012, 21:45:44 PM
I could understand banning someone for clearly using them and knowing about it, but giving someone a second chance and watching their play style after on the ones you can't be 100% sure was hacking I think should be possible too. I just want to enjoy this game as everyone else does, ESPECIALLY as an Active Duty Army Infantryman who does the real job you guys play, (If you don't believe that one, ill photocopy my ID card so I can actually prove something to you all)

Regards,

-Justin
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Monday, March 12, 2012, 21:48:40 PM
I could understand banning someone for clearly using them and knowing about it, but giving someone a second chance and watching their play style after on the ones you can't be 100% sure was hacking I think should be possible too. I just want to enjoy this game as everyone else does, ESPECIALLY as an Active Duty Army Infantryman who does the real job you guys play, (If you don't believe that one, ill photocopy my ID card so I can actually prove something to you all)

Regards,

-Justin
The problem is, you already know that the hacks are detected. No second chance is going to prove anything as nobody is stupid enough to hack after they got caught.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Monday, March 12, 2012, 21:53:07 PM
That makes sense, but don't they always say "If you've hacked once, you'll hack again?"
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Monday, March 12, 2012, 23:22:45 PM
Thanks Anyway.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Monday, March 12, 2012, 23:29:42 PM
Truth be told, the nice person in me wants to unban and put on the watch list =\

But, you did have hacking files...
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Monday, March 12, 2012, 23:39:03 PM
Yes, no doubt about that, those files were there, I seen the log plain as day, but I know that I would not ever use anything like that, it's all about having fun and shooting and enjoying whats left of AA2. I just wish it were possible and to trust a fellow AA2 gamer, even though somehow this was all a big misunderstanding in my point of view, but I know it's hard to believe a player when they become flagged like my account did.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: B@lestra^ on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 03:45:16 AM
Although i'm absolutely against cheating without any tolerance toward those players i somehow feel pitty for him. I can't 100%ly say that he's telling the truth, but he is very dedicated in prooving his innocence in a very kind way. Well, in this case the evidence is a clear fact. But he loves the game, he is willing to support it. We do need such players, don't we? Maybe there was really something corrupt in his download, although i doubt it, if it really was the installer from official 25assist. Maybe this is a case where you should give one a 2nd chance and put him on the watchlist or however you call it. On the other side i'm oftentimes a too credulously person, so don't judge on my comment.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: soupcakes on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 04:14:30 AM
i honestly feel the same... only cuz i cant tell if he's telling truth or not, if he's not, he's a great liar... but i feel his pitty in losing whats left of aaos...

just sucks theres hard evidence pointing to guilt and no evidence towards innocence... just your word.

tough call really... support whatever the guys decide.

And i give you props for handling this whole thing calmly and as effectively as possibly tomb sentinel


Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Choogelaar on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 05:56:33 AM
well all i can say about this fact is that even when he says he will not do that again it was only for fun /??  the new players that just starts to play this game without having played another version off AA  will be tired off getting killed all the time cause someone just wanted to have fun  that person is taking all the FUN away from the newer players ???   now the question you want to keep that couple off hackers in the servers or give the chance to the new players that just starts playing the game that we all love ..

i played this game now for over 9 years and still like it allot 
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Koden on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 15:01:49 PM
well all i can say about this fact is that even when he says he will not do that again it was only for fun /??  the new players that just starts to play this game without having played another version off AA  will be tired off getting killed all the time cause someone just wanted to have fun  that person is taking all the FUN away from the newer players ???   now the question you want to keep that couple off hackers in the servers or give the chance to the new players that just starts playing the game that we all love ..

i played this game now for over 9 years and still like it allot

Sorry i beg to differ, there's no way cheats can make your experience any better or funnier than it is without using them. You might get some relief but it will be temporary, and if America's Army wasn't fun for you (generally meant) before, it won't be even after you start to use cheats. It's just up to what the game means and how it feels for you.

I often play at a time where i meet mostly experienced players, and while sometimes i get bashed to death (literally) for several matches, i can still get fun out of it. Because it's what the game feels to me, and not the bare stats which someone (many) overrate.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 15:07:29 PM
Koden's words should be engraved in stone.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 16:13:11 PM
I agree with Kodens words as well, its not about the points or rank, its about having good, clean fun whether your dead or alive in the game. I don't see how using cheats can make a game any more enjoyable than playing clean.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ^^UnDiSpUtEd^^ on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 16:20:42 PM
Why this topic is still active?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 18:26:59 PM
Im trying to see if its possible to have a shot at enjoying AA2 again.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: BlueBlaster on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 18:34:07 PM
If anyone has an opinion, please speak. Mr. Sentinel seems fairly persistent.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Koden on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 19:18:13 PM
Ok, there happens to be (sadly) several new bans being placed every week. Why do you think to be special in comparison? Your good attitude makes for a better dialogue but it can't really make up for the core matter of the topic which is the reason you were banned for.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 19:20:41 PM
I've added a poll to this thread. I'm voting unban and put on watch list.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 19:31:47 PM
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WARNING NOTICE, Here at aao25.com we have a zero tolerance policy against hacking, cheating or exploiting. Even attempting to hack will result in a ban from using our auth system. If you like playing this game then keep your behaviour clean. If you like to hack or cheat then go back to 2.8.5

What's the point of having a zero tolerance policy if we're not going to support it? We look like hypocrites. Are we going to unban everyone who comes here and says they're innocent nicely?
It's a great thing, they can test out if their hacks work, come here and act innocently and get unbanned so they can play without them. /sarcasm

Putting them on the watchlist is useless because a 6 year old can understand not to do something again if they already got in trouble for it.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 19:35:52 PM
Putting them on the watchlist is useless because a 6 year old can understand not to do something again if they already got in trouble for it.

No, we'll have people that behave and play fair. We need more players.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 19:39:49 PM
No, we'll have people that behave and play fair. We need more players.
Are we really that desperate for players? Let's turn a blind eye to those who try to ruin the game because we need more players and they will play fairly after they tried to ruin the game for others. That's not a very sound policy in my opinion.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 19:41:51 PM
We can debate this all day. That's why I opened a poll. Let the community decide, all the evidence is present.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Yahoo on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 22:38:29 PM
I can't vote, but you guys already know my thoughts about hacking!

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What's the point of having a zero tolerance policy if we're not going to support it? We look like hypocrites. Are we going to unban everyone who comes here and says they're innocent nicely?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 22:40:52 PM
Somebody locked the voting...
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 22:41:22 PM
I mean I could see if he admitted it and gave a sincere apology but he didn't. He's still lying to us and yet he's going to get unbanned.....
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 04:08:56 AM
Killaman, like you said, they hack, then come here and start playing clean cauz their hacks are detected.

So when they come here they already hacked, so it's too late. Then you have the choice between: ban them of AA or let them play clean like u said ...
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Choogelaar on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 10:12:19 AM
What's the point of having a zero tolerance policy if we're not going to support it? We look like hypocrites. Are we going to unban everyone who comes here and says they're innocent nicely?
It's a great thing, they can test out if their hacks work, come here and act innocently and get unbanned so they can play without them. /sarcasm

Putting them on the watchlist is useless because a 6 year old can understand not to do something again if they already got in trouble for it.

Whoaah to that KiLLaMaN    people already know  from back in the day  that when you try to hack you get in trouble why give those people chance after chance  they do not learn  from it so why not let other people that really want to play fair have the chance  , if they want to ruin this version aswell give them a link to AA3 and let them play there
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Jonnym on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 10:31:27 AM
I don't really know why we are having a vote here, He was caught with hacks in his system folder, black and white as far as i'm concerned. Will be interesting to see the results of the vote...
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ^^UnDiSpUtEd^^ on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 10:33:13 AM
For unsure answers for banning and unbanning or putting on watch list it's ok polls like this:)
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: [K][K].Stemelex. on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 11:10:02 AM
unban seconde time ban that's what i will do if i was....
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Choogelaar on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 11:18:37 AM
but why the vote for ban or unban /watchlist ??   he knew the consequences as soon as he downloaded the game !!!!!!!!!    still trying to get an advantage  ingame ??  BAN   that is my opinion no more than just BAN

and yes i voted too BAN him       
when you have lots off friends in the forum and let them vote for only watchlist and unban    well than the system got beat twice



you know what you do when you download a game  / a hack / a cheat        the blame is only on yourself
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 11:43:36 AM
Voted banned cauz I'm bored of that number of cheaters hanging around AA
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 13:58:40 PM
This is a close race!
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 14:07:39 PM
This is a close race!
keep banned is technically winning since skrewy said he voted for the wrong one.

I don't see why we should unban someone who can't even admit that he used hacks. It's straight up stupid, that's what it is. Rewarded for lying. It's also not fair to unban him and keep the other 3 people (who actually admitted to hacking and said they wouldn't do it again) banned. If you unban him, in principle, you have to unban them too or else we have an unfair system.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 14:14:51 PM
Either way, the final decision, I will not be disappointed because I know the right decision will be made.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: B@lestra^ on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 15:37:54 PM
Before i give my vote i would like to know if it's technically possible that some1 downloads a corrupt installer while being completely unaware of hacks in the dowloaded version?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Jonnym on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 15:44:29 PM
I made this software and I think that is not possible.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 15:47:27 PM
As crazy as it sounds, it happened and is possible.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: B@lestra^ on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 15:48:29 PM
That means that the hacks must have been additionally (manually) placed without any probability of error?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 16:05:10 PM
Yes, by whoever uploaded the file for the download
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: B@lestra^ on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 16:18:43 PM
Yes, I read about it from this website and downloaded it from them. http://clansoe.site-forums.com/t307-aa2-download-installer

...

As Jared already has mentioned at Page 1 the link which you've posted doesn't contain any download, they refer to the official 25assist page where you should download it. So you aren't telling the truth in this particular point...
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 16:20:28 PM
Sure it's possible but only if you download 2.5 outside of Assist. Jonny's files are clean. But stop and think about it for a bit. Why would someone take the time to download 2.5, make a hack, stick it in 2.5 and upload an installer with the hack? The game is over 5 years old and to be honest, there's not many players right now. The fact of the matter is, the hack you got caught for was compiled 1 week ago. It's extremely unlikely someone created a 2.5 installer with the hack built-in.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 16:22:33 PM
I think that's what everyone else is seeing but I didn't download AA 2.5 through the assist program, so the corrupted files didn't come through the assist program.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: B@lestra^ on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 16:25:07 PM
From where did you download it then?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Choogelaar on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 16:26:40 PM
He used something else then the original installer provided  so its your own fault    and sorry to say this but we can keep discussing the fact .......... if he would of used  the original installer he wouldnt had the file inside his 25Assist   
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 16:31:08 PM
If I could go back and download the 2.5 version of AA through assist, I would but your right, I didn't and that is my fault and that's another point to never downloading uploaded files from random people and taking the risk.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: B@lestra^ on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 16:33:45 PM
You have to proove it with a link where you've downloaded it.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Jared on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 16:40:04 PM
I voted to unban.

He cheated plain and simple. But he got caught. Which means our system works. He now knows he cant cheat and so do other cheaters.

The other part is in th manner he acted he didn't do a flaming rage post like most, so at that point I think it's fair to give him the time to vote.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: BlueBlaster on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 17:23:30 PM
I think he said he downloaded AA from pirate bay and used that installation for Assist.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: B@lestra^ on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 17:35:45 PM
Despite of the case we have here it could be an option to place an extra message somewhere where it says that only the official 25assist.exe should be installed, bc it's a 100%ly clean installer.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 21:12:06 PM
I voted to unban.

He cheated plain and simple. But he got caught. Which means our system works. He now knows he cant cheat and so do other cheaters.

The other part is in th manner he acted he didn't do a flaming rage post like most, so at that point I think it's fair to give him the time to vote.
He's also been lying to us. I don't see why we should reward lying, that's stupid. No one is going to download a super old version off AA, put a know hack into it, then create an installer for it and then host it as AA 2.5. He's lying..
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Yahoo on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 00:50:08 AM
I think someone should make some new rules about hacking because obviously the zero tolerance doesn't apply here anymore...
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Archeh on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 00:53:06 AM
I think someone should make some new rules about hacking because obviously the zero tolerance doesn't apply here anymore...

how many people have got unbanned and watch listed for something like this now?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 00:54:37 AM
how many people have got unbanned and watch listed for something like this now?
None, and that's the point. What are we just going to cherry pick who we "like" to unban? This guy is clearly more in the wrong than the last 3 ban appeals and they are all banned. Why is this guy, who is clearly lying to us, about to get unbanned when the truthful and apologetic ones before him stay banned? That's asinine.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Archeh on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 00:56:28 AM
yeah that's what I thought

glad I voted against the unban
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 00:58:54 AM
ABSOLUTELY ZERO TOLERANCE
unless u tell a good sob story fit for a chick flick.


I should get 5+ people to join my server with 5 different hacks to see if one is undetected, if 1 is then score, the rest of us can come here and be like it was our server unban us, then go to using the other hack.

because its only logical to the people to believe I got bored and hacked, I mean I could have gotten bored and played another game, read something, looked at cat pictures on the internet, but the obvious choice to releive boredom wasnt the other 50 games, or to chat to people or anything, it was to download hacks and use them... mp cheats woulda worked but no, that wasnt enough I needed hacks for low gravity, god mode, choose my own weapon, stuff that mp cheats doesnt do
lol skrewy. I think you're in the wrong topic because your post has nothing to do with this situation. He's not saying he hacked because he was bored, he is flat out denying he meant to hack, saying that the files were already in his AA2.5 folder.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Yahoo on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 01:18:18 AM
So why make a poll to unban a guy who has cheats on his system?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 01:23:28 AM
because hsc needs drama beyond the occasional mister bitching and killa being holier then thou.
and its entertainment at its best, watch the hackers squirm and take bets
I've never has a "holier than thou" attitude. You still mad that I banned you for a day? :P
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Yahoo on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 01:25:23 AM
Giving him a false hope of being unbanned it's a great e-drama... game is on :P
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: elementx+ on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 04:35:28 AM
just ban him. No need to discuss any ban appeals, if someone got caugth he should stay banned. zero tolerance is the only way to keep this game as clean as possible.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Jared on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 09:47:54 AM
LOL  :o
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Craazy_Biach on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 12:04:01 PM
Don't see the reason for the vote. zero tolerance..
Mister nice guy shit shouldn't be a exception!
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Koden on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 14:09:11 PM
Reading through i noticed a lack of comments from people who voted for an unban. Everyone should feel free to post about its own point of view.

I stand on my point anyway - a rule does exists and has to be applied.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 15:47:50 PM
When is the final day for the vote to close and decision is made?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: B@lestra^ on Friday, March 16, 2012, 06:01:54 AM
I've voted for 'Keep permanent ban', because i think that it's very unlikely that there is an installer out there with corrupt files. Although i respect him for his good manner after being banned, i think that he isn't telling the truth.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: one.inch.man on Friday, March 16, 2012, 18:26:19 PM
I vote keep the ban.

The reason being: Even though your posts here were civilized, you did not put proof behind your claim that the version you downloaded had been tampered with beforehand. What's so hard about posting that download link here?

To the Assist team: Without having thought this through, would it be a big deal to completely remove the option to play with an existing installation from Assist and start with a fresh install downloaded through Assist? That way we could avoid claims like these.
I'm aware that zero tolerance is zero tolerance but I did find this a tough decision.

Cheers
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Friday, March 16, 2012, 18:50:35 PM
To the Assist team: Without having thought this through, would it be a big deal to completely remove the option to play with an existing installation from Assist and start with a fresh install downloaded through Assist? That way we could avoid claims like these.
I'm aware that zero tolerance is zero tolerance but I did find this a tough decision.

Cheers

I think that would be a good move considering most 2.5 veterans that kept 2.5 installed on their computer have already migrated to Assist. I've found that people who download 2.5 outside of Assist often end up with multiple 2.5 installations which just clutters the hard drive and makes it somewhat confusing for the user since the installer creates ArmyOps shortcuts on the desktop. Aren't there multiple SourceForge mirrors so if someone has an issue downloading from one, they could choose another? I remember that being an option a while back.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Go_Cat75 on Friday, March 16, 2012, 22:55:39 PM
I made this software and I think that is not possible.
2 Question should clear this up in my mind.

Jonnym
1. If he had these files in his original install would Assits copy them across?
2. Did Assist detect the files being there or that they were being used?

If yes to 1 then this is a problem.
If they just dected the files and yes to number 1 then I think a 2nd chance.
It used to be the only way to dected the hacks is if the dll ect was injected using an injecter piece of software and this does not happen by accident.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Go_Cat75 on Friday, March 16, 2012, 23:04:32 PM
When is the final day for the vote to close and decision is made?

You have also not provided the originals link of where you downloaded the software which makes me think your lying in any case.  Retrace your steps if you are unsure.
The pirate bay links I beleive were put on by members so they dont contain hacks and if you provide the exact link I will use my bandwidth and even go as far to download it again and prove it.

Admit you did this or provide the links simple.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Friday, March 16, 2012, 23:15:28 PM
He had the files, there is no evidence of him using them. I did test the same hack out and although I did get past the whitelist violation, I did get kicked for no recoil.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Friday, March 16, 2012, 23:26:34 PM
I tried to re-trace the steps, could not find same download, but as for #2the if I had intentionally downloaded the hacks, wouldn't I have been caught actually using them rather than just having them in a folder? I just wish people could understand how mindblown I am that this happened, because I have not hacked a day in my life, but got banned for having hacks in the one game I truly love to play ever since before I joined the Army back in 2009.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: BlueBlaster on Friday, March 16, 2012, 23:52:56 PM
Assist is not AA. However, in order to run AA, Assist must be running. Therefore Assist has the ability to catch anything. Even if they (hacks) are in the folder and not being used, Assist will catch it. AA doesn't do anything, Assist is the thing that does all the work.

All you need is 1 alien file in the AA folder, and Assist will catch it, and we will be alerted. That simple.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 01:57:39 AM
I'm tempted to unban right now. Here's why:

- Most hackers that get caught by our system won't bother to appeal because they know they're guilty so they'll move to 2.8.5 and never set foot on this forum.
- This guy came here with a consistent story that has stood up to all of our questions.
- This guy has no other accounts or computers and has not shown suspicious behavior. He does have 2 IP's but one is Verizon Wireless and the other is Comcast, likely mobile phone and home internet.
- This guy has been patient over 4 days since posting here, asking nicely and never flaming.
- Assist copies the whole pre-installed 2.5 folder, it is possible that his story of downloading a 2.5 torrent is legit. The day this guy started playing, he was banned, it's not like he was playing for a month and then all of the sudden got banned.
- He only had possession of the hacks which is detected even if you use it properly. There's no log saying that he got kicked for using the hacks, he just had them in the System folder.

Unless Jonny or the other admins say no, I think this guy should be unbanned and put on the watch list.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Choogelaar on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 04:45:40 AM
there goes the zero tollerance then !!!!!   
question how much time does it take to inject something in the original installer ??
is it possible ?? downloading a clean installer ,then inject something in it,then uploading ( is there a link that proves what he is saying ??
i say the moment he got banned / caught with that file before that moment there should be a link that should be looked over by an administrator to see if it is correct what he says ,if it is really a corrupt download  then i would not have a problem with it but untill then everyone can keep his coolness for a while to reach what he wants cause they know what they got caught for is permanent .

only my opinion     if he is truly a clean player np welcome and help us shoot as many op4 as we can
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: soupcakes on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 05:15:06 AM
I'm tempted to unban right now. Here's why:

- Most hackers that get caught by our system won't bother to appeal because they know they're guilty so they'll move to 2.8.5 and never set foot on this forum.
- This guy came here with a consistent story that has stood up to all of our questions.
- This guy has no other accounts or computers and has not shown suspicious behavior. He does have 2 IP's but one is Verizon Wireless and the other is Comcast, likely mobile phone and home internet.
- This guy has been patient over 4 days since posting here, asking nicely and never flaming.
- Assist copies the whole pre-installed 2.5 folder, it is possible that his story of downloading a 2.5 torrent is legit. The day this guy started playing, he was banned, it's not like he was playing for a month and then all of the sudden got banned.
- He only had possession of the hacks which is detected even if you use it properly. There's no log saying that he got kicked for using the hacks, he just had them in the System folder.

Unless Jonny or the other admins say no, I think this guy should be unbanned and put on the watch list.

i agree with that.... His Aliby holds up enough to cause reasonable doubt... especially if he's banned the first time he played...

i know some may say '0 tolerance'... but i cant honestly say he's guilty beyond reasonable doubt, and it would really suck if you were in his shoes and the small chance of that happening, happens to you.

I don't believe this for many people who post here, but imo, give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Choogelaar on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 06:55:03 AM
i agree on that m8 that is true but let him provide the original download link so people can look into the download itself  than all the doubths are gone instandly !!  offcourse it sucks when you downloaded the installer that has been injected by a hack    bring proof  so johnny or spanky or Blueblaster or Killum can look at it

i would be irritated aswell by the fact that i get banned for downloading a installer of a game we like  but that is why they always say KEEP TO THE ORIGINAL WEBSITE
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Calevey on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 07:58:39 AM
I'm with Choogelaar in this. If his AA was downloaded from Piratebay as he says, then there's no problem to show it and check the files. I doubt there is such torrent, but never know.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Koden on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 08:42:09 AM
I'm with Choogelaar in this. If his AA was downloaded from Piratebay as he says, then there's no problem to show it and check the files. I doubt there is such torrent, but never know.

Just checked, a 2.5 version torrent doesn't even seems to be available on the bay. I could barely found a couple torrents for the 2.5 version on a different search engine. Did it disappear in such a small timelapse?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 08:55:49 AM
http://thepiratebay.se/search/Americas%20Army%202.5.0/0/99/0

The specific one I'm looking for is not there though.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Choogelaar on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 09:19:33 AM
i checked on the torrent site's aswell as newsgroup feeds but i cannot find anything saying that there was an upload for 25Assist on there and i have good retention for it i can go back for 999 days !!!!   


very weird to be honest cause the link you give is not even working

dont need to click on it cause this one probebly aint working either :)
https://www.somethingstrangegoingon.com         
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 10:41:24 AM
See, everyone is still confused...I didn't download ASSIST from Piratebay, I downloaded Americas Army 2.5.0 from there, just the game itself, nothing to do with Assist, and that link I posted works fine for me.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Choogelaar on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 10:51:18 AM
http://thepiratebay.se/search/Americas%20Army%202.5.0/0/99/0

The specific one I'm looking for is not there though.


uhhhh well you might be the one that is confusing us then cause you gave this link right ??
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: B@lestra^ on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 11:12:02 AM
See, everyone is still confused...I didn't download ASSIST from Piratebay, I downloaded Americas Army 2.5.0 from there, just the game itself, nothing to do with Assist, and that link I posted works fine for me.

...

I'm not sure how to view the ArmyOps folder because when I downloaded the Assist program, it didn't add the game to "My Computer" on the C: Drive so I can find out if those files were in there, so I don't know exactly what to do.


...

 ???
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 12:24:59 PM
The 2.5 he downloaded from PirateBay is no longer available, that's what he is saying.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 12:28:06 PM
The 2.5 he downloaded from PirateBay is no longer available, that's what he is saying.
How convenient.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 19:02:59 PM
It copies the whole AA folder from Program Files because Jonny doesn't have a valid list of files for Assist to copy individually.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 23:23:50 PM
I have unbanned and moved him to the watch list.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: ToMb SeNTiNeL on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 23:34:16 PM
Much appreciated and won't ever have any issues arise from me like this again.

Hooah,

-Justin (ToMB SeNTiNeL)
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Sunday, March 18, 2012, 00:50:49 AM
I have unbanned and moved him to the watch list.
So when are we un-banning the other 3 people who had much more convincing cases and were actually honest with us?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: soupcakes on Monday, March 19, 2012, 14:24:56 PM
So when are we un-banning the other 3 people who had much more convincing cases and were actually honest with us?

thats just your opinion...i thought the last 3 people's story were jokes. And whats done is done, its in the past... either let it go or bring it back up in THAT thread.

i couldnt 100% say if he was lying or telling the truth... nothing wrong with giving somebody the benefit of the doubt every now and then.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Monday, March 19, 2012, 15:17:46 PM
thats just your opinion...i thought the last 3 people's story were jokes. And whats done is done, its in the past... either let it go or bring it back up in THAT thread.

i couldnt 100% say if he was lying or telling the truth... nothing wrong with giving somebody the benefit of the doubt every now and then.

How is admitting to using them "a joke" of a story? I'd love to know. This guy straight up lied to us and got unbanned. It's bullshit. This system obviously doesn't work. Maybe if he gave even a half plausible story you could give him the benefit of the doubt, but his story is one of the worst ones I have ever heard.

Not sure why I even bother checking the Hacking Alerts if they can just come here, deny it by saying their AA download came with hacks, and get unbanned. Seems like we'd save a lot of time by simply not banning people.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: BlueBlaster on Monday, March 19, 2012, 15:26:40 PM
We kinda need to rework the policy and have everyone agree on a procedure. Although the only person I unbanned was Stemelex, but that was because he caught a virus and I was trying to catch his attention.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Monday, March 19, 2012, 15:28:28 PM
We kinda need to rework the policy and have everyone agree on a procedure. Although the only person I unbanned was Stemelex, but that was because he caught a virus and I was trying to catch his attention.
lol, the only person I ever banned was Stemlex for the whole editobj  situation. By the way, did we ever find anything out about that as far as false positives are concerned?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: BlueBlaster on Monday, March 19, 2012, 15:33:22 PM
As far as I know, no. I haven't seen it in the logs recently either.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Jonnym on Monday, March 19, 2012, 18:07:57 PM
I want it to go on record that I wholeheartedly disagree with the decision to unban this player, But the people have spoke in a free and fair Democratic election so my hands are tied.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Monday, March 19, 2012, 18:10:55 PM
I want it to go on record that I wholeheartedly disagree with the decision to unban this player, But the people have spoke in a free and fair Democratic election so my hands are tied.
Fair as far as we know. There's no way to actually tell who voted and for what. From the comments in the thread it seemed overwhelmingly opposed to the unban.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Monday, March 19, 2012, 18:21:48 PM
I want it to go on record that I wholeheartedly disagree with the decision to unban this player, But the people have spoke in a free and fair Democratic election so my hands are tied.

Truth be told, that's why I made the post:
http://aao25.com/general-chat/unban-request/msg17639/#msg17639
You didn't reply to the thread so I figured you were fine with it. It's your decision really. It's not a majority unban vote, it's mostly tied 50/50.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Koden on Monday, March 19, 2012, 18:32:00 PM
Fair as far as we know. There's no way to actually tell who voted and for what. From the comments in the thread it seemed overwhelmingly opposed to the unban.

Yes, because only a few of the ones who voted for the unban have also posted about. Sometimes it's hard to get  lazy people to use democratic ways to explain their point of view, they prefer to whine under a dictatorship.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Archeh on Monday, March 19, 2012, 19:57:29 PM
I dunno anything about forums but on Ak4ums it takes about 4 seconds to check who voted in a poll
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Monday, March 19, 2012, 20:33:54 PM
AK4 uses old ass PHPBB though.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Archeh on Monday, March 19, 2012, 20:35:56 PM
I know, it's old as fuck! I wanna update it buuuut I like the way they look a lot.


And I'd definitely fuck them up by trying to adjust ANYTHING.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: BlueBlaster on Monday, March 19, 2012, 20:37:50 PM
"debug gpf" in the console.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: soupcakes on Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 05:00:41 AM
How is admitting to using them "a joke" of a story?  I'd love to know.
well the main joke is admitting using a hack and expecting to get unbanned
This guy straight up lied to us and got unbanned. It's bullshit. This system obviously doesn't work. Maybe if he gave even a half plausible story you could give him the benefit of the doubt, but his story is one of the worst ones I have ever heard.
I cant PROVE that he didnt download a hacked aao...i'll admit it sounds sketchy, but if i was that guy that downloaded aao with a hack already in it, and got perma banned, well that would suck... the thing is, you cant prove his story is bullshit, only assume.

Not sure why I even bother checking the Hacking Alerts if they can just come here, deny it by saying their AA download came with hacks, and get unbanned. Seems like we'd save a lot of time by simply not banning people.
thats the spirit ::)



and also i want to add how your about UNBANNING 3 ppl that admitted to using cheats, over 1 guy that upheld his story of not using them and downloading a hacked version of aao.... apparently somethings changed since ya wrote this ;)

I don't support unbanning anyone caught with hacks.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 08:07:33 AM
well the main joke is admitting using a hack and expecting to get unbannedI cant PROVE that he didnt download a hacked aao...i'll admit it sounds sketchy, but if i was that guy that downloaded aao with a hack already in it, and got perma banned, well that would suck... the thing is, you cant prove his story is bullshit, only assume.
thats the spirit ::)



and also i want to add how your about UNBANNING 3 ppl that admitted to using cheats, over 1 guy that upheld his story of not using them and downloading a hacked version of aao.... apparently somethings changed since ya wrote this ;)

Yeah, he upheld his BS story. "I downloaded AA 2.,5 with hacks already in it and it magically disappeared when I was asked to find the torrent" At least the others were sincere about it. This guy just lied his way out of a ban.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Gekkou on Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 09:12:24 AM
Facts:

1) ToMb SeNTiNeL downloaded cheats and placed them in AA folder which were detected by Assist.
2) We can't know wether he actually used the cheats ingame or not. He might just have placed them in the folder but never ran them.
3) Upon now we've had a zero tolerance policy with the other members that were caught cheating.


He never admited point to 1). On the contrary, he made up a poor excuse! Said he downloaded a faulty Assist installation? OK. Where is the link then? Disappeared? How convenient.
On the other hand, following 2), we can't really tell he cheated or not, and I'm not certain but I believe "we" don't ban for just downloading hacks or do we?
If you ask me, taking in consideration both 2) and 3), I believe that'd be enough reason for at least an year ban.
I'm not sure what decision was reached but if you unbanned him be conscious that you excused someone who most likely just blatantly lied to all of us.

PS: By the way, I haven't voted and can't vote now.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 10:38:35 AM
Quote
We can't know wether he actually used the cheats ingame or not. He might just have placed them in the folder but never
The problem is that it kicks you for just having the cheats in your folder. You won't even get a chance to use them even if you wanted to.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Choogelaar on Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 09:25:03 AM
im still smashed that this guy is unbanned .............and  put on a watchlist ?........  he did not provide  any proof of the file that he says he downloaded ?? see how he wrote the things  first he says it was coming from here .... then suddenly the file is not there anymore ?? hmm   ..... i understand the fact that cheaters from back in the day get a 2nd change  to start over clean in 2.5   but what i dont understand is WHY UNBAN someone that is CAUGHT in the new version ...??     and like the other 3 that admitted to placed the file  they are atleast honest about the situation  and know that they fucked it up thereselfs   
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Gekkou on Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 09:58:43 AM
Well, did he play any session prior to the ban? If he did, then it proves the file was placed after the installation, meaning he lied, can anyone confirm this for me?
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 11:05:24 AM
I think it was said earlyer that it aws his first gameplay since few months or years or whatever
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 13:52:34 PM
Well, did he play any session prior to the ban? If he did, then it proves the file was placed after the installation, meaning he lied, can anyone confirm this for me?

No, he didn't have any sessions prior to the ban which holds his story.

To whoever locked this thread, keep threads open, this isn't ACI. It's a free and open forum where people can discuss what they want.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 14:02:09 PM
No, he didn't have any sessions prior to the ban which holds his story.

To whoever locked this thread, keep threads open, this isn't ACI. It's a free and open forum where people can discuss what they want.
:o I thought you locked it. :P
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: BlueBlaster on Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 18:07:16 PM
Wasn't me.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 18:38:44 PM
Jonny maybe doesn't like us to argue with his decisions ....
I really believe we must get over it now, and take mesures for the future, make a kindof rulesbook, where it's writtne that you must come with an original story to get unbanned.

No seriously, you (we all do) need to have specific rules, like zero tolerance, or exception cases or anything
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 21:07:41 PM
Jonny maybe doesn't like us to argue with his decisions ....

Wasn't Jonny's decision, it was Spanky's. Jonny actually disagreed with it.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Gekkou on Thursday, March 22, 2012, 07:43:00 AM
I really believe we must get over it now, and take mesures for the future, make a kindof rulesbook, where it's writtne that you must come with an original story to get unbanned.
I vote for this. Also we could keep a record of old stories for the lulz.
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: P.Castro on Sunday, July 08, 2012, 15:16:40 PM
I think we should give a second chance to all hackers .. because everyone deserves a second opurtunidade ... My vote is that we should give a second chance to all hackers ..
Title: Re: Unban Request
Post by: Alex on Sunday, July 08, 2012, 15:19:59 PM
I think we should give a second chance to all hackers .. because everyone deserves a second opurtunidade ... My vote is that we should give a second chance to all hackers ..
Hackers already got a second chance after the original auth went down.