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America's Army => General Chat => Topic started by: Saltuarius on Sunday, October 27, 2013, 14:19:52 PM
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appart from dave's attitude, i can clearly understand and support his points.
personally i dont like the way decisions are made.
as u can look up in the stats, there 1000 ppl a day who are using assist. decisions are base on polls of 20ppl over the timeframe of maybe a week. thats so poor.
to get the needed information for ur decision, u have to read a long thread with plenty of flame and bs in it.
suggestion:
- implement a voting system into assist, give the relevant information there
- invite them to discuss it here in the forum. so maybe more ppl visit the page and join the community
- install some forum-moderators and change the spirit of this forum
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I agree with him aswell
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- install some forum-moderators and change the spirit of this forum
I actually agree with this. Koden usually does a pretty good job but he's only 1 guy.
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I actually agree with this. Koden usually does a pretty good job but he's only 1 guy.
Ya,you agree with this,but will it happen? NOT!!! There are plenty of good people with level heads that could moderate the forums without all the sarcasm....Right Spanky???
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As usual Cheesey, you take my serious posts and think they're riddled with sarcasm. If anyone is interested in moderating this forum, send me a PM. There's a few members I have in mind but you should have a desire to moderate, not be asked to.
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Your serious posts are few and far between Spank....it's time to give up the bs and let some kind natured people deal with the public users...maybe stick with your map editing and leave the game questions to those that can handle it...and believe me when I say I'm not the only one who finds your comments,shall we say "dry humour"
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appart from dave's attitude, i can clearly understand and support his points.
personally i dont like the way decisions are made.
as u can look up in the stats, there 1000 ppl a day who are using assist. decisions are base on polls of 20ppl over the timeframe of maybe a week. thats so poor.
to get the needed information for ur decision, u have to read a long thread with plenty of flame and bs in it.
suggestion:
- implement a voting system into assist, give the relevant information there
- invite them to discuss it here in the forum. so maybe more ppl visit the page and join the community
- install some forum-moderators and change the spirit of this forum
I splitted the topic including your post from the news thread, cause you actually wrote a couple interesting things that are worthy to discuss.
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You're getting to be off-topic but I'll join in;
I don't often post with the intention of being funny or likable. I post in 2 ways: the first is usually flaming and I probably do it a bit much but there's certain people on here that annoy the hell out of me and deserve to be cursed at. The other way I post is serious, such as my previous posts in this thread or when I help a newbie out with an issue (as long as it hasn't been gone over 50 times previously).
I'll admit that I'm not the most level-headed, strict and rule-abiding admin/moderator that walked the face of the earth.
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You're getting to be off-topic but I'll join in;
I don't often post with the intention of being funny or likable. I post in 2 ways: the first is usually flaming and I probably do it a bit much but there's certain people on here that annoy the hell out of me and deserve to be cursed at. The other way I post is serious, such as my previous posts in this thread or when I help a newbie out with an issue (as long as it hasn't been gone over 50 times previously).
I'll admit that I'm not the most level-headed, strict and rule-abiding admin/moderator that walked the face of the earth.
Likable?..not in the least....level-headed? again,at times I'll say yes,but again,few and far between...being a small community that we are,being level headed and mature is what admins in your position should be at ALL times Spank.
I know what being an admin is all about...I've been running CYBA for over 12 years now and I've seen my share also on the forums....maybe take a lesson from Rapture or Koden,on being more respectable and I'm sure you'll do just fine in the future.
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I splitted the topic including your post from the news thread, cause you actually wrote a couple interesting things that are worthy to discuss.
Thanks Koden....Dave does have some valuable input and should be respected....Right Spank? :up:
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Thanks Koden....Dave does have some valuable input and should be respected....Right Spank? :up:
I splitted the thread from Saltuarius's post, he summed things up.
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Thanks Koden....Dave does have some valuable input and should be respected....Right Spank? :up:
Nope. He's had his chance and I've put up with enough of his shit. He has no real ideas/methods to solve issues, he just complains about things as-is. I don't mind criticism, especially if it comes with an idea to solve an issue.
I can see from your point of view that you can easily dislike me and while I've changed over the years, I'm still a pretty nice guy until you cross me. I've said before, I'm not a great community leader, I just happened to be here. I do like to help but there comes a point where people can no longer be helped or they are just helpless.
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More player involvement in votes would be great but personally I believe that those who give a damn about assist and it's happenings are those of who actually visit the forums here. If they would visit just once every three or so days they would be up on things and see a vote going on. It isn't like they need to spend hours here nor visit 10 times a day like some do, just a few minutes while they wait inbetween rounds in game or while viewing other things on web. No one who has time enough to play aa doesn't have 5 minutes to visit the place making it possible for them to play the game. Maybe someone could think up a way to entice them to visit and maybe there would be a trickle down effect that other people would get interested and want to play the game to. Just the ramblings of an old fool. :oops:
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More player involvement in votes would be great but personally I believe that those who give a damn about assist and it's happenings are those of who actually visit the forums here. If they would visit just once every three or so days they would be up on things and see a vote going on. It isn't like they need to spend hours here nor visit 10 times a day like some do, just a few minutes while they wait inbetween rounds in game or while viewing other things on web. No one who has time enough to play aa doesn't have 5 minutes to visit the place making it possible for them to play the game. Maybe someone could think up a way to entice them to visit and maybe there would be a trickle down effect that other people would get interested and want to play the game to. Just the ramblings of an old fool. :oops:
Best post this year. 100% agree.
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Nope. He's had his chance and I've put up with enough of his shit.
There's the problem right there Spank...It's always "I"VE" as in YOU that can't deal with it...There's more than YOU who are admins around here....Quit making decisions for the majority Spank!
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There's the problem right there Spank...It's always "I"VE" as in YOU that can't deal with it...There's more than YOU who are admins around here....Quit making decisions for the majority Spank!
Dav3 asked me to remove his account here on the forum.
But it's better just to let it be.
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Dav3 asked me to remove his account here on the forum.
But it's better just to let it be.
All good Eliz.... :up:
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There's the problem right there Spank...It's always "I"VE" as in YOU that can't deal with it...There's more than YOU who are admins around here....Quit making decisions for the majority Spank!
We have all put up with Dav3's attitude. Not just Spanky.
It becomes an issue when attitude > ideals.
The ability to perceive defect is within us all. The ability to perceive effect is within those who desire.
There is no point in having great knowledge if you chose to retain it for your own keep.
This is utterly what defines a "Great User/Person" from a "Bad User/Person" within a community context.
"Responsibility is not without Knowledge. Knowledge is not without Responsibility."
/Dan
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There's the problem right there Spank...It's always "I"VE" as in YOU that can't deal with it...There's more than YOU who are admins around here....Quit making decisions for the majority Spank!
So you like his demanding, hateful, know-it-all, baseless complaints? You gotta be kidding me. If he's not complaining about the game, he's putting down someone or some group of people. It's 100% negative attitude. It's not just me that doesn't like it.
Again, I have no issue with someone not liking something, I accept that. But Dav3 has some kind of bitterness in life that must make him feel better to vent his personality/attitude the way he does. It goes way beyond disliking a feature in his posts.
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Dav3 asked me to remove his account here on the forum.
But it's better just to let it be.
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Dav3 is a sharp person, this community needs the people like him. He is not affraid to speak something, I like this kind of people. He isn't pussy.
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Dav3 is a sharp person, this community needs the people like him. He is not affraid to speak something, I like this kind of people. He isn't pussy.
Although I agree that you should not be afraid to speak about something and you should speak out if you do not agree, it is about the way you bring it.
You can bring things diplomatically, bring it in discussion, give arguments for and against and use logical reasoning.
Another way is to talk down to everyone who does not agree.
Even if you are right, the second option is not the way to have people listening to you. Knowledge itself is not a skill, the way to bring this knowledge to a good use is.
In my opinion, he should work on that. The problem is that he is so much focused on the fact that he is right, that he will not look at other aspects anymore like how to bring this over onto others.
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Discussing things is all good but when your attitude is negative and argumentative with everything that comes out of their mouth it gets old damn quick.
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I've a question/suggestion - why don't players use the Assist ts3 server exclusively? People attracts people, no one would enter on a empty club, however if people join the Assist site and see the ts3 full, or at least with 15/20 players would have expression.
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That sounds like a good idea about ts. But what about the younger players and the drinkers that get to screaming and yelling and the people who decide to carry on non stop conversations when they are dead in game with no regard for those still alive and trying to play? Need to set it up so when you die you are auto switched to another channel.
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I'm not sure how big an issue it is, but with one TS (especially from an other continent and with a lot of traffic, which is suggested) there might be issues with latency.
And I believe people just like things that are their own. Every clan wants their own server both in the game and TS. (not that it's an ideal world, but that's the world we seem to live in)
And I think some clans still use ventrilo as well? (not 100% sure about this anymore).
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Of course it would have his problems like you guys said above and it should be very strictly moderated but on other hand since the community is so small it is pretty easy to ban or warn the player...
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there 1000 ppl a day who are using assist. decisions are base on polls of 20ppl
This thread is useless if you ask me. All those 1000 people currently using assist
know that there is a homepage and a forum, they downloaded assist from there.
The only problem is that they don't give a fuck about what is going on here, until
some weird critical error happens or they get banned because they fooled around
with sulfurous toys. If someone wants to come in here & read & post & argue & participate,
he needs to be interested and have a minimum of motivation because
all threads / answers here are not always very relevant but they belong together
as a whole, so one can understand the bigger picture of Assist's situation day by day.
I personally visit the forum every day since years, i'm not sure if any of those 1000 does the same.
So don't present the situation as if all those other players didn't have the right to come here.
Everyone can make an account and participate within seconds. But they just don't give a fuck.
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Good ideas, should bring some spirit into community to be honest.
- Why use ts?, ts brings lag and connection interrupts between you and the ts users. Why ELIZ don't make voice interfere inside the game/assist. Like in 2.8 you could talk just by pressing V button and so on as you would choose by default. As long as you've mic of course:) Ts would be only good for tournaments or for a hang out around clans/friends and private games.
- Implement voting poll into assist, as long as they are logged in they could vote and decisions would be made by the ''majority of players who play the game for real''.and not by ''only'' as we say forum users who doesn't play. You could also make an extra voting poll on forum if needed if the votes are too close each other. Also some stuff could be private as a poll discussions between admins and the answers of the poll, people shouldn't look at the majority voting but think their head and take the best option for himself and the game, in other words players shouldn't see the voting results as they are and same with the other votes.
- Implement more staff, trustable and active for daily use and who would visit the forum with strong infancy of doing his/her job in cleaning the forum. This would bring more discussions and more ideas between admins and the community. You may agree or deny but there should be an application section where the people of the forum could apply for staff position if there are any available with specific requirements. Also staff should discuss more within community and support their ideas and not ignore them as they may don't like the idea itself.
- Some donation ideas would be good, since you guys work for this game at your own free time without getting payed, it would be good with some special offers you would offer in within the game or forum, I think the logo in front of your name could be better, more interesting. I know many things can be thinked if you are motivated and have passion in earning some money for the project and making the game a bit more interesting.
- Some ideas on language here on the forum. I see a lot of swearing going on here, it would be good if the wroted stuff like ''fuck you'' could be marked as **** *** so we would minimum the need of swearing and users would be more used to speak clear and nice to other forum users.
This is only my opinion, I am trying to throw some ideas so the game could develop into the good shape and may not collapse any soon in upcoming years.
P.S ''zoxee'' You are wrong. If admins did something when people open assist for example, they have to read the read me through to play the game. I would agree if they were forced to vote and participate on the forum as well as in the game. I think every user could register on the forum to play, this way we would bring more people into forum but it has also disadvantageous such as time and laziness. Many things can be thinked off , just time and passion will do it and of course the participation. Hooah.
I wouldn't mind if this was intended into the new thread with suggestions:)