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America's Army => General Chat => Topic started by: voras on Thursday, February 18, 2016, 11:10:35 AM
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hello admins.... I would very happy if you remove rpg from hospital.. a lot of players want that too... have sniper in hospi now don't have sence.... 2 of 3 rockets always go to roof.. 50 % of kills make rpg.. damn
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I don't see how 1 RPG with 3 shots can get 50% of the kills. The RPG is in the last fireteam so if you can select it, you should have at least 12 people online (unless you have slots open, which is a terrible idea IMHO) per team and that would mean that the RPG kills 6 people every round, hitting 2 with each RPG, and while possible, I highly doubt that's what's happening.
I understand you're upset and I've seen a few others being upset as well. However, it will not be taken out just because of a few players don't like it.
If it turns out that the majority don't like it, something might be done about it.
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well teddy bro try to play hospi 2-3 hours and you see 10 doferent players all day saying'' who the fuck put this on hospital..''.. And about ''some players'' not all players are on this forum.. and didnt know how reclame remove it...
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i understand what you admins are bored of changing maps setting.. always when we want:D but we try something new and we now see rpg not very good on this map.. and i say enougt reasons.
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Yes people complain about it a lot. Thats mostly because of early rpg spam. If rpg spawns could be moved to new places - a bit further away / more difficult place from where to rush - it would make huge difference ( for example: ambush side in the middle of south west fences, escort side small alley down there in south east corner).
If its removed, people will complain about roof buggers again, so the difference rpg is making now is you cant bugcamp that much anymore.
Aa25.ini in server has spam protection time settings for 203 and nades. If it would be possible to add for rpg it would solve that early spam issue as well.
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okei. Ronski. you want rpg stay.. but where with sniper you can play? on ambush side? yeah I know for you in escort all cool.. snipers have a lot of sides to hide.. in ambush that all is a little diferent.. now with sniper on ambush you must wait when escort all rpg waist and when go to roof.. usaly snipers slots are open on ambush...
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you play 90 % of your time on escort. I when play on escort for me rpg is good tooo.. but when i play on ambush it all make so hard...
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I play where my clanmates play. I prefer escort side, because there round lasts longer and you get more kills, on ambush side it ends when you kill the vip.
You are right, sniper position advantage has changed from ambush to escort, still the advantage in map in general is for Ambush because of RPG's imo. I know RPG has taken even eight kills with first spam shot from wwe to 1st entrance, if meanwhile half of Ambush team is rushing in from garage how much does VIP have chances to survive?
Edit: i hate that spam use of it, otherwise its totally same for me if its around or not.
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You are right, sniper position advantage has changed from ambush to escort, still the advantage in map in general is for Ambush because of RPG's imo.
How not true is this. Escort can decide to spam RPG at docks or at westwing every round, which makes a lot of damage either way. Then it can spam the roof, which makes it harder for ambush. Outside behind the cars ambush is easily killable by RPG on the heliroof boxes escort side and helipad is always covered by some zoomed in camper on heliroof too.
So the only way to play safe on ambush is going inside hospital or camp hard.
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How not true is this. Escort can decide to spam RPG at docks or at westwing every round, which makes a lot of damage either way. Then it can spam the roof, which makes it harder for ambush. Outside behind the cars ambush is easily killable by RPG on the heliroof boxes escort side and helipad is always covered by some zoomed in camper on heliroof too.
So the only way to play safe on ambush is going inside hospital or camp hard.
Well it was my opinion, yours is different but Im not starting commenting that your opinion would be wrong because I think differently. You are right about that, but the objective-wise I think it's more for Ambush, because their objective is to kill VIP - or to prevent VIP getting to extraction point, so they can dodge first spam rockets because they don't need to be out that quickly. Escort team needs to rush in hospital in order to protect VIP if half of Ambush team is rushing in from garage. So basically all of Ambush team can wait for first Escort rocket and then make their move but Escort side needs to run and still fastest spots might get blown up by Ambush RPG, who is there at WWE earlier than Escort side RPG in Esciort Building windows.
You seem to miss my point completely. It's not about removing rpg, it's about making it as a separate map. Problem solved.
And the argument about roof bugging... Omg, ya, let's remove the roof because of that.
No I get your point, I would like to see two versions of Hospital as well, but having RPG or not is totally same to me. And argument about roof bugging was more of a reminder that people always complain, no matter what.
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Well it was my opinion, yours is different but Im not starting commenting that your opinion would be wrong because I think differently. You are right about that, but the objective-wise I think it's more for Ambush, because their objective is to kill VIP - or to prevent VIP getting to extraction point, so they can dodge first spam rockets because they don't need to be out that quickly. Escort team needs to rush in hospital in order to protect VIP if half of Ambush team is rushing in from garage. So basically all of Ambush team can wait for first Escort rocket and then make their move but Escort side needs to run and still fastest spots might get blown up by Ambush RPG, who is there at WWE earlier than Escort side RPG in Esciort Building windows.
No I get your point, I would like to see two versions of Hospital as well, but having RPG or not is totally same to me. And argument about roof bugging was more of a reminder that people always complain, no matter what.
Well alright then :D
I believe RPG has big advantage but with or without RPG, easiest side will always be escort and that's proved by the fact that most fragwhores choose escort when they have a choice
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Well alright then :D
I believe RPG has big advantage but with or without RPG, easiest side will always be escort and that's proved by the fact that most fragwhores choose escort when they have a choice
Agree ;p
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Well alright then :D
I believe RPG has big advantage but with or without RPG, easiest side will always be escort and that's proved by the fact that most fragwhores choose escort when they have a choice
This is true of course, it's easier side to stay alive.
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yes please, let the admins of the server decide which version they would like to offer. bring the original map back, then all fine.
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I believe that one way or another, there should be done something about the current situation. Like i stated yesterday evening, there are two kinds of people in this debate which are the people who are against the RPG and the one's who dont really care what will happen. Only a few are strongly in favour of keeping it.
The RPG is imo a nice contribution to the map since the 203 is gone. But just like back in the day, there is still a possibility to spam. Since the game-admins said yesterday and afew times before that they won't edit the map and change the slot, there should be a limiter or something, just like the 203 spam protection. I believe the 203-protection made it impossible to shoot your 203 in the first 20 seconds (or something like that) of the round.
Because there are two camps and there are game-admins who have to do all the work, it might be fair to meet in the middle. The admins said, fairly, that removing the RPG is not an option. They simply cannot edit the map to the needs of everyone. Though, keeping it makes people frustrated and this is mainly due the spam. So, having the RPG with a spam-protection seems like a fair option, right?
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Im okay with and without RPG. It has it good and bad sides. Negative side is the spam ofcourse but you can avoid it if u want. Good side is that it clears escort building and ww roof campers. But i really hope 203 wont come back because spamming would increase by 10 times. It would make the situation much worse for those who cant deal with spamming. Bringin kind of Hospital SE style map with new settings would cool also.
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Im okay with and without RPG. It has it good and bad sides. Negative side is the spam ofcourse but you can avoid it if u want. Good side is that it clears escort building and ww roof campers. But i really hope 203 wont come back because spamming would increase by 10 times. It would make the situation much worse for those who cant deal with spamming. Bringin kind of Hospital SE style map with new settings would cool also.
Not sure if an edited map will help. The 'problem' is known and specified. Making a map with new features will create another problem. The few players this game has will be spread over several servers. If there is a change comming, it should be targeted at the problem itself.
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I believe that one way or another, there should be done something about the current situation. Like i stated yesterday evening, there are two kinds of people in this debate which are the people who are against the RPG and the one's who dont really care what will happen. Only a few are strongly in favour of keeping it.
The RPG is imo a nice contribution to the map since the 203 is gone. But just like back in the day, there is still a possibility to spam. Since the game-admins said yesterday and afew times before that they won't edit the map and change the slot, there should be a limiter or something, just like the 203 spam protection. I believe the 203-protection made it impossible to shoot your 203 in the first 20 seconds (or something like that) of the round.
Because there are two camps and there are game-admins who have to do all the work, it might be fair to meet in the middle. The admins said, fairly, that removing the RPG is not an option. They simply cannot edit the map to the needs of everyone. Though, keeping it makes people frustrated and this is mainly due the spam. So, having the RPG with a spam-protection seems like a fair option, right?
I beleive we had the intention to do it that way. However, I thought the spam protection for 203s would also work for rpgs.
Apparently, this is not the case, I am unsure if we can quick fix this, as I am not a coder.
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I believe that one way or another, there should be done something about the current situation. Like i stated yesterday evening, there are two kinds of people in this debate which are the people who are against the RPG and the one's who dont really care what will happen. Only a few are strongly in favour of keeping it.
The RPG is imo a nice contribution to the map since the 203 is gone. But just like back in the day, there is still a possibility to spam. Since the game-admins said yesterday and afew times before that they won't edit the map and change the slot, there should be a limiter or something, just like the 203 spam protection. I believe the 203-protection made it impossible to shoot your 203 in the first 20 seconds (or something like that) of the round.
Because there are two camps and there are game-admins who have to do all the work, it might be fair to meet in the middle. The admins said, fairly, that removing the RPG is not an option. They simply cannot edit the map to the needs of everyone. Though, keeping it makes people frustrated and this is mainly due the spam. So, having the RPG with a spam-protection seems like a fair option, right?
I don't see where someone said that removing the RPG is not an option.
Having the early 203 rule also apply to RPGs is a better way to go, though.
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whats the point of having the rpg if u cant even spam with it lol, stop bitching about spam, keep it or remove it lol
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I don't see where someone said that removing the RPG is not an option.
Having the early 203 rule also apply to RPGs is a better way to go, though.
You are right that no1 said that removing the RPG itself is not an option. I do believe though, that someone said earlier that because there was a voting back then, its not gonna change right away when the slot does not favour some people's views. Thats why i believed removing the PRG was not really an option. If im wrong, then im not informed with the latest info!
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Glad they got rid of RPG causes a lot of roe you know.
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Not really true. Nobody removed the RPG. The map is the same.
If you mean Merlin's server he just has the max player count so low that you can't select it.
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good enough as long as its gone
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Rpg spam protection was tested by ronski didn't work,
Easy way to get rid of rpg's reduce player slot to 22 like merlin has done
Not the best solution as if someone swaps sides on a full server, they can still open up the additional slots.
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Not the best solution as if someone swaps sides on a full server, they can still open up the additional slots.
You can't swap sides on a full server?
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You can't swap sides on a full server?
Oh yes you can seen it many times as campers were stuck on ass but force them selves over. I used to life ban them clowns regularly.
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Oh yes you can seen it many times as campers were stuck on ass but force them selves over. I used to life ban them clowns regularly.
Only hard and desperate measures count!!. Im sure this is related to your anger issue :/
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I dealt with all my issues severy. with a life ban. then they were gone. And that left us peace to play the game. And many liked my server and rules. Because there was absoulotly ni Nonsence. So all the children were life banned it was great. My server was never empty especialy if I was in. Cant beat that ever.
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I dealt with all my issues severy. with a life ban. then they were gone. And that left us peace to play the game. And many liked my server and rules. Because there was absoulotly ni Nonsence. So all the children were life banned it was great. My server was never empty especialy if I was in. Cant beat that ever.
And what does that have to do with sf hospital ?
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to put the slots to 22 isn't a solution, but it can show you - if it would be the most used hospital server in near future - that the players do not like rpg. thats all i want to say.
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to put the slots to 22 isn't a solution, but it can show you - if it would be the most used hospital server in near future - that the players do not like rpg. thats all i want to say.
Well it's not entirely true.
I don't like Bridge SF but still join it because it's the only one populated.
I saw you playing with another Nomad player on your server on hospital to fill it up. As soon as you have 10 players on it, people don't choose a hospital server anymore, they just go where there's people playing
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You can't swap sides on a full server?
You can't swap when there's no more slots on the map. For example, when the Hospital server has 32 players online, nobody can swap sides to as an extra person. However, if there's an equal amount of players on both teams and still slots left over, someone can swap to the other team and be their extra one to get over the limit.
At least that's how it used to be like, haven't tested in a while.
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RPG has been kinda neutral subject for me, but now I've seen another issue it is showing up. Many takes VIP slot just to gain most points in team to be able to choose RPG first for the next set. At this point it sounds still reasonable, doesn't it? But the issue appears when some of players starts pointwhoring during that set, thinking only about own points. Rushing all the time from underpass, if it's success then he gets the most score, if not - no one gets the score. Then when some figures out their score is enough, they kill themselves in order to get set ending faster and they get the RPG faster as well. I just wonder how some can be this greedy and disrespectful at the same time...
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RPG has been kinda neutral subject for me, but now I've seen another issue it is showing up. Many takes VIP slot just to gain most points in team to be able to choose RPG first for the next set. At this point it sounds still reasonable, doesn't it? But the issue appears when some of players starts pointwhoring during that set, thinking only about own points. Rushing all the time from underpass, if it's success then he gets the most score, if not - no one gets the score. Then when some figures out their score is enough, they kill themselves in order to get set ending faster and they get the RPG faster as well. I just wonder how some can be this greedy and disrespectful at the same time...
Yes, seen it happen. that muppet is one of them, and cristie, both going for points to get rpg, and there is some others to, wich i cant remember atm. its lame as fuck.
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RPG has been kinda neutral subject for me, but now I've seen another issue it is showing up. Many takes VIP slot just to gain most points in team to be able to choose RPG first for the next set. At this point it sounds still reasonable, doesn't it? But the issue appears when some of players starts pointwhoring during that set, thinking only about own points. Rushing all the time from underpass, if it's success then he gets the most score, if not - no one gets the score. Then when some figures out their score is enough, they kill themselves in order to get set ending faster and they get the RPG faster as well. I just wonder how some can be this greedy and disrespectful at the same time...
There have always and always will be people who think only of their own points. They used to gather points to get the SF, now they collect point for the RPG, not much has changed in that respect.
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There have always and always will be people who think only of their own points. They used to gather points to get the SF, now they collect point for the RPG, not much has changed in that respect.
You are right, but they didn't loose rounds on purpose to achieve the weapon faster, that spamgun has made people greedy. They either do that shit as VIP or they stand on backblast hoping early ROE kick for current user so they could have it. Time has shown now that it has only negative impact on the map and players.